Mexican consulates offer healthcare help

[DoctorDoom]

First came the Mexican consular photo identification cards that closely resembled U.S. driver's licenses and allowed immigrants, including those in the country illegally, to establish credit and apply for government services.

Then the Mexican government worked with the Treasury Department to make sure the U.S. banking system remained open to immigrants.

Now Mexican consulates in the U.S. are taking on an even more formidable challenge: the healthcare system.

A program called Ventanillas de Salud, or Health Windows, aims to provide Mexican immigrants with basic health information, cholesterol checks and other preventive tests. It also makes referrals to U.S. hospitals, health centers and government programs where patients can get care without fear of being turned over to immigration authorities.Mexican consulates offer healthcare help (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-me-health31may31,0,6401125,full.story)

"Move out, gringos! This country is OURS!"

How long will this outrageous bullshit be tolerated before the American people finally decide that it has gone too far and do what the government refuses to do?

[Beowulf]

How long will this outrageous bullshit be tolerated before the American people finally decide that it has gone too far and do what the government refuses to do?

I think the people already have. I just don't think anyone has the guts to actually assemble enough people to overtake Washington.

[Phil Osophical]

Mexican consulates offer healthcare help (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-me-health31may31,0,6401125,full.story)

"Move out, gringos! This country is OURS!"

How long will this outrageous bullshit be tolerated before the American people finally decide that it has gone too far and do what the government refuses to do?

"Gringo vete a tu casa!" say the numerous homemade bumper stickers in Brownsville, Texas. (Actually, there's only about five or six gringos left to go home.)

Most White Anglo Conservative Protestants (WACP) have already figured out that it's "gone too far" and they know there's nothing they can (or will) do about it except to complain to their political "representatives" via email which falls on deaf and even mocking ears.

The battle (such as it was) is over and WACPs have lost.

God gave WACPs a great and prosperous country and told them to defend it and use it to do good for the world. They did good for awhile, but failed to defend it.

[Wolfcounsel]

WACPs? That sounds like "whack peepees". If some pendejos are going to run another group of people out of their country, I'd say it's time for a little skirmish. Now, now! I did not call for the overthrow of a legitimate government, I merely suggested that the time might have come for a bunch of segregationist sons of bitches of Latin descent to get a severe ass-whupping, one they desperately need.

[oldcoastie]

WACPs? That sounds like "whack peepees". If some pendejos are going to run another group of people out of their country, I'd say it's time for a little skirmish. Now, now! I did not call for the overthrow of a legitimate government, I merely suggested that the time might have come for a bunch of segregationist sons of bitches of Latin descent to get a severe ass-whupping, one they desperately need.

Legitimate government is an interesting term. Does the legitimacy cease when the best insterests of the country and its constitution are disregarded and violated by our government's elected officials?

[DoctorDoom]

Legitimate government is an interesting term. Does the legitimacy cease when the best insterests of the country and its constitution are disregarded and violated by our government's elected officials?We have a standard.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[omegatrump]

We have a standard.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Amen!

[Gonzo67]

WACPs? That sounds like "whack peepees". If some pendejos are going to run another group of people out of their country, I'd say it's time for a little skirmish. Now, now! I did not call for the overthrow of a legitimate government, I merely suggested that the time might have come for a bunch of segregationist sons of bitches of Latin descent to get a severe ass-whupping, one they desperately need.


Sorry Wolf. Advocating the over throw of our own government is perfectly acceptable. As it stand, there is nothing "legitimate" about our government any longer.

Our leaders have made it crystal clear that your birth-right is no longer yours. You are merely a GUEST in your own country. And an unwelcome guest at that. You exist as nothing more than a door man. Hold that door open a little wider because we want to let more mexicans and muslims in.

You no longer have a claim to anything in this country. All that you served for, all that you worked for, you're merely a temporary care-taker of. You're holding your land, your possessions, all your belongings, only until the "rightful owners" come to claim them. When the flood from mexico is complete, we expect you to willingly hand over all your "temporary possessions" to the invading pieces of shit, and bow out of their new country gracefully. We also ask that you do so with dignity and respect to the new owners of this great country we have all worked so hard to build for them.

Besides. You're an "American". I know that USED to mean something, and has been perverted into an insult. But you did it once, you can go somewhere else and do it again.

So be a good little "step and fetch it". Scurry off and look for a new land to colonize and build into a great nation. Oh, and when you find it, be sure to send frequent updates. We'd like to know how you're coming along. And who knows, a few hundred years from now, when your new country is flourishing, and you're future grandchildren have received another great country from you, we'll probably pay you a visit. After all, we're gonna need more room for all these cockroaches that have usurped you today.

Yes, we appreciate all the hard work you and your fellow countrymen have done, you made a wonderful home for us. It's just a shame you're not welcome here among us to share in it any longer. I know it stings, and I know it hurt you and your countrymen deeply... But that is a price we're willing to pay. Your loss means little when compared to our gain. So, be a good little American now, and move along. You're not welcome in the new Azlatan Nation.

[DesertFox]

Advocating the over throw of our own government is perfectly acceptable.It's against the law and can get us shut down. Talk about it in some other way.

[Gonzo67]

In another way... Ok... How about this way:


than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


From one of the many time Doc used this quote in his posts...

Where's the wrist slap for Doc for his support of this?

Or


Amen!


When can we witness the wrist slap for Omega's Support of the same?



In the following thread: http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=47553&highlight=mexican&page=2

Wrong, the best thing that could happen is another civil war.


Got a slap of the wrist for him too?



From the same thread as M.C.: http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=47553&highlight=mexican&page=3

Legally, we can do nothing. I say it's time to do as Doc suggests. A coup, civil war or whatever but I am NOT going to learn Spanish and take a back seat to these illegals. Gone is the America I once defended.


Surely his intentions are clear?

Should I continue on to more posts? My point is simple. I'm not the ONLY person who has made such comments. And I consider myself, for the most part, in pretty decent company.

I'm not asking for favoritism, I'm not asking for anything more than anyone else has. All I am asking for is a little consistency.

If you feel you are obligate to silence one, you should silence ALL.

[DoctorDoom]

From one of the many time Doc used this quote in his posts...Also note my sig.

[Maggie_T]

What pisses me off royally (one of the oh-so-many things that piss me off royally) is that predictably, the amnesty bill will only increase antagonism against Lations where it already exist, and it will create it where until now there was little or none.

This would be a completely natural reaction (I'm feeling increasingly antagonistic towards them myself ... and I'm South American!). It would be unnatural for people not to feel antagonistic against invaders of their country, who demand - and get - most of the bennies the locals cannot get hold of.

However, that in turn would trigger more "hate-crime" laws, which will give the invaders a further advantage over the locals. It will be a domino effect.

No matter how you look at this debacle, it just gets worse and worse. :flame:


Incidentally, I wonder if the consulates will be staffed with illegals.:question:

[DesertFox]

Gonz, I've spoken to others, also. I am now pointing these things out in the open because the call to overthrow our govt has metastasized on this site. Obviously everyone needs to be aware that when they do that, they endanger the site.

It happens that Doc Doom is citing the Declaration of Independence here. Notice where he bolded: deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. I'm as pissed at Bush as anybody and have said so, but Bush DOES derive his just powers from OUR consent -- we elected his ass. There is a system for replacing him, both in the sense of getting him out of office ahead of time and in the sense of electing a new guy to replace him at the appropriate time.

The DoI circumstances don't fit today. In 1775 and 1776 they were dealing with a King whom nobody elected and who gave nobody a say in what he did, and for whom there was no method of getting shut but his abdication or regicide. IOW, he was not legitimate because his powers did not derive from the consent of us, the governed. Those specific conditions are the ones referred to in the DoI.

Bush's powers are legitimate, and to advocate his overthrow is against the law. If we hate him so bad, we need to get his ass impeached and thrown out on the pavement. Meanwhile, to talk openly of throwing him over can get our site shut down. It's not only illegal in itself, but incites violence. Doc is doing the best he can to suggest that Bush needs to be tossed, without advocating the overthrow of the govt.

I like you and several others who have gone beyond fed up. But I don't like you well enough to lose FreeConservatives for your sake.

[Gonzo67]

However, that in turn would trigger more "hate-crime" laws, which will give the invaders a further advantage over the locals. It will be a domino effect.


My apologize Maggie. You know that I share your opinion that we've lost this country. And you know I agree fully with nearly everything you say on the topic of the illegal invaders and our governments lack of consideration for the LEGITIMATE people of this country. But I'm afraid you're slightly mistaken in this comment.

The mexicans can not gain any further advantage over the American Citizens of this country. They can not gain any more advantage over us because they enjoy FULL advantage over us already.

I invite you, and everyone else to watch a small video.

I must warn you, this video is hosted on Strangeland.com, and as Strangeland is an "adult oriented site" the Banner adds and some other adds found on this site are of an adult nature. So, before you watch it, please make sure the kids are not in the room.

Also, Strangeland allows people to Download and distribute videos hosted by them for free, and they provide a link just below the video. So if you do want your children or others to see the video but not be exposed to the adult oriented adds, by all means download the video to your computer and play it for them. It plays in Windows Media Player.

View the video HERE (http://strangeland.com/24813)

I find it absolutely incredible that Mexicans can stand on a street corner and protest in our country. They can proudly proclaim their ILLEGAL status in the streets, committing this CRIME in full view of AMERICAN POLICE OFFICERS, and when LEGAL AMERICANS who have a right to protest and that right is GUARANTEED by our Constitution, then police will actually walk up and force the AMERICANS to leave, and allow the CRIMINALS to remain and continue to commit their crime.

This is your legacy people. This is your country being stripped away right out from under you. This is what your ELECTED LEADERS are doing to you.

So I ask you, is our government "legitimate"? Does our government deserve the right to stand before us as a nation and expect our loyalty? Our support? Our respect?

If you believe that advocating the removal of our current government is a crime, if you TRULY believe that, then I'm sorry for you. Because as far as I can see, the ILLEGAL MEXICANS in our country are the criminals. Our own GOVERNMENT is guilty of aiding and abetting these criminals. Our own government is guilty of crimes against this country. Crimes of Treason. And if you fully support the form of government we have today, I would appreciate you not using the word "American" when you refer to yourself. Because it cheapens the word.

Our current government is nothing but a criminal agency. The new North American Mafia. American Politics have become nothing more than Organized Crime. And those that do not work to STOP it, are working to assist it.

[DesertFox]

Our current government is nothing but a criminal agency. The new North American Mafia. American Politics have become nothing more than Organized Crime. And those that do not work to STOP it, are working to assist it.Uh, no. It's much more than that. But it's also been involved in crime of one sort or another since about 1803, so it's a little late to be identifying the true nature of govt.

It's just wrong to say that if one isn't working to stop it, then one is working to assist it. To most of us -- the huge, overwhelming majority of us -- the govt has nothing to do with us apart from speeding tickets and taxing us to death. We're not abetting govt crime, as you're alleging with no proof; we're simply living our lives the best we can.

[DoctorDoom]

Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress; but I repeat myself.
-- Mark Twain

Congress is the only inherent criminal class in America.
-- Mark Twain

If you tell Congress everything about the world situation, they get hysterical. If you tell them nothing, they go fishing.
-- Harry S Truman

If I studied all my life, I couldn't think up half the number of funny things passed in one session of congress.
-- Will Rogers

A republican stands up in congress and says "I GOT A REALLY BAD IDEA!!" and the democrat stands up after him and says, "AND I CAN MAKE IT SHITTIER!"
-- Lewis Black

You can't use tact with a Congressman! A Congressman is a hog! You must take a stick and hit him on the snout!
-- Henry Brooks Adams

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Re our government being legitimate, yes, we do elect Congress and the Pres/Veep, but no one can truthfully say that it meets this criterion.

"... (W)e here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
-- Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address

What we have is government elected by the people but serving its own selfish, power-lusting ends, and screw the people. We are being dragged kicking and screaming into a nation every bit as oppressive and tyrannical as the government of King George. The rights that our Forefathers fought and died to establish and defend are being chipped away bit by bit, and there is little liberty left any more.

The First Amendment free-speech clause refers to political speech, but we are here today afraid to speak lest the DC tyrants descend on us and silence us. Is that the right that the signers of the Constitution gave everything, even their lives, to delineate?

In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

G. Washington - President. and deputy from Virginia

New Hampshire:
John Langdon, Nicholas Gilman

Massachusetts:
Nathaniel Gorham, Rufus King

Connecticut:
Wm. Saml. Johnson, Roger Sherman

New York:
Alexander Hamilton

New Jersey:
Wil. Livingston, David Brearly, Wm. Paterson, Jona. Dayton

Pennsylvania:
B. Franklin, Thomas Mifflin, Robt. Morris, Geo. Clymer, Thos. FitzSimons, Jared Ingersoll, James Wilson, Gouv Morris

Delaware:
Geo. Read, Gunning Bedford jun, John Dickinson, Richard Bassett, Jaco. Broom

Maryland:
James McHenry, Dan of St Thos. Jenifer, Danl Carroll

Virginia:
John Blair, James Madison Jr.

North Carolina:
Wm. Blount, Richd. Dobbs Spaight, Hu Williamson

South Carolina:
J. Rutledge, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Charles Pinckney, Pierce Butler

Georgia:
William Few, Abr Baldwin

We might as well piss on their graves for all the respect we have for their sacred document.

What passes for a government in our time is a pathetic mockery of the government that our Founders decreed. It is monolithic. It is omnipotent. It is omnivorous. It in uncontrollable. It is unaccountable. It is malevolent. It is dictatorial. It is oppressive. It is censorious. And it cares not one whit for the people. To them, we are nothing but tax sources.

<hr>
Speaking of elected officials, one need only point to the mountain of "regulations" that micromanage our country, our economy, our businesses and our lives, and not one of them is the result of a congressional vote. We are governed by federal regulations with the full force of law but with none of the checks and balances of law, imposed on us by heedless, indifferent bureaucracies.

Federal government regulators issued 4,148 new rules in the 71,269-page Federal Register in 2003, 19 fewer than they did in 2002. The cost of those rules appears nowhere in the federal budget.

[snip]

Regulators Gone Wild

The 2003 Federal Register contained 71,269 pages, a 6 percent decrease from 2002's all-time record of 75,606 pages. A total of 4,148 final rules were issued by agencies in 2003. By comparison, Congress passed and the president signed into law a comparatively low 198 bills in 2003.

In the 2003 Unified Agenda, which summarizes the rules and proposed rules that each federal agency expects to issue during the next six months, agencies reported on 4,266 regulations at various stages of implementation throughout the 50-plus federal departments, agencies, and commissions, an increase of 2 percent from the previous year.Federal Regulations Back to Near-Record Levels (http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15430)

The Congresscritters are pikers compared to the regulators. And we can't do a bloody thing about bureaucrats.

<hr>
And what of the courts. They have abandoned any pretext of objectivity and judicial professionalism. They have become little more than the enforcement branch of liberalism, used by the libs/leftists to impose their will on America without having to go through legislatures. Would a government with even the tiniest shred of decency and honor tolerate those robed asswipes of the Ninth Circus Court? Would a judiciary with a trace of responsibility use foreign law to rule on US law and cases?

<hr>
Folks, the governments we have in DC and in most state capitals have long since wiped their asses with the Constitution and have become thinly disguised tyrannies, ignoring or clamping down on free speech and ruling by power and fear. And this didn't happen overnight. The people allowed it to happen. In the name of an illusion of safety and security, they surrendered more and more of their liberty. And in 2007, we have precious little liberty left, and a government to which even that is infinitely too much.

I dare say that we are at the point where if we don't establish a new government based on liberty, the one we have now will enslave us.

<hr>
In no particular order ...

[On ancient Athens]: In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.
-- Edward Gibbon

If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too.
-- Somerset Maugham

Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it.
-- Justice Learned Hand

No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights.
-- Edmund A. Opitz

Those who expect to reap the benefits of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.
-- Thomas Paine

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
-- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1st, 1776.

What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?
-- Thomas Jefferson

You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.
-- Ronald Reagan, 1964

"What has destroyed liberty and the rights of man in every government which has ever existed under the sun? The generalizing and concentrating all cares and powers into one body, no matter whether of the autocrats of Russia or France, or of the aristocrats of a Venetian Senate. And I do believe that if the Almighty has not decreed that man shall never be free (and it is blasphemy to believe it), that the secret will be found to be in the making himself the depository of the powers respecting himself, so far as he is competent to them, and delegating only what is beyond his competence by a synthetical process, to higher and higher orders of functionaries, so as to trust fewer and fewer powers in proportion as the trustees become more and more oligarchical."
--Thomas Jefferson to Joseph C. Cabell, 1816

"I believe the States can best govern our home concerns, and the General Government our foreign ones."
--Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
--Thomas Jefferson: Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825

On every question of construction [of the Constitution], carry ourselves back to the time when the constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
-- Thomas Jefferson in an April 11, 1823 letter to John Adams


THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated."
-- Thomas Paine's "The American Crisis", December 23, 1776.


It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.
-- John Philpot Curran: Speech upon the Right of Election (1790)

"I am only one but still I am one. I cannot do everything but still I can do something; and because I cannot do everything let me not refuse to do the something that I can do."
-- Edward Everett Hale

[oldcoastie]

I wasn't advocating anything. I just asked a question to get some opinions.

[Kathy30]

Ohhhhhh. Looking for an opinion.

There is something very wrong when quoting the founding fathers, who said, unequivocally that when the government ceases to be the government of the people, that those who have the ability, also have the duty and responsibility to end that government and reform it into one that is the government of the people.

That's wrong? What's wrong with that statement? If our government were to look at that statement, at my post, and find that it advocates the overthrow of the government what does that mean? It means that the government itself, recognizes that it no longer represents the people it is supposed to represent. That the government itself knows that it has ceased to be a government of the people. Any complaint has to mean that the government, itself, recognizes that it is no longer the legitimate government of the United States of America.

That's pretty frightening all by itself.

[dPrasse]

Gonzo , there is a big difference between over throwing our Govt and waking the citizens up and throwing the bums over ....

over throwing our form of Govt is what the Muzzies and the Commies/Socialist/Democrats of this country and of the world are trying for ...

I love my Country and her Govt "System" but support 100% throwing the PEOPLE in power over ...

[oldcoastie]

Ohhhhhh. Looking for an opinion.

There is something very wrong when quoting the founding fathers, who said, unequivocally that when the government ceases to be the government of the people, that those who have the ability, also have the duty and responsibility to end that government and reform it into one that is the government of the people.

That's wrong? What's wrong with that statement? If our government were to look at that statement, at my post, and find that it advocates the overthrow of the government what does that mean? It means that the government itself, recognizes that it no longer represents the people it is supposed to represent. That the government itself knows that it has ceased to be a government of the people. Any complaint has to mean that the government, itself, recognizes that it is no longer the legitimate government of the United States of America.

That's pretty frightening all by itself.

The political parties and the politicians will never recognize that.

[Gonzo67]

Gonzo , there is a big difference between over throwing our Govt and waking the citizens up and throwing the bums over ....


Not when those bums have BECOME "the government". Those "bums" do not recognize themselves as "Public Servants" any longer. They have thrown off the title of public servant and have adopted a NEW job title for themselves. "The One", "Boss", "The Final Authority".

You know damn well that the MAJORITY of Americans are not in favor of handing this country over to Mexico. Yet what is our so called "President" doing? He is doing what HE wants, "fuk the American people".

The politicians we have put in office right now are stripping more and more abilities away from you. Give them time, and keep your eye firmly shut, and they'll do their damnedest to remove YOUR ability to remove them. I promise you, if one of them ever thinks of a way to pull that off, you can bet your ass they'll do it. Each and every one of them. Just look at our constitution. It's slowly being erased. Those weren't feathered quills and ink bottled the founding fathers used, I'll bet my ass they has PENCILS! Because our "government" is attacking that document with erasers and white out.

When I speak of over-throwing our government, I speak of just that. Taking these criminals we have in office, all the TRAITORS, all those GUILTY OF TREASON against the people of this country, and removing them BY FORCE if they are unwilling to surrender the position they have abused for so long, and rebuild what we SHOULD have... what we were SUPPOSED to have, from the ground up.

That s not a "crime". That is doing EXACTLY what our founding fathers told us we must do! That is EXACTLY what is contained in Doctor Dooms quotes, in Maggies sentiments, In the heart and mind of EVERY person in these forums that can TRULY call themselves an American.


over throwing our form of Govt is what the Muzzies and the Commies/Socialist/Democrats of this country and of the world are trying for ...


There is a difference. Communists, Socialists, Democrats, Muzziefuks, they want to over throw this COUNTRY. Not just the "government". The government is just the first step. They do not want to overthrow our government and rebuild the system to what we should have or were supposed to have. They want to remove the corruption and the criminals and replace it with THEIR corruption and THEIR criminals.

Those people that you compared ME with want to Over throw our government and DESTROY our country, and KILL it's people. That is NOT what I am advocating. So please, I am assuming you didn't mean to compare me with those, but in a small, round about way you did. And it's not appreciated. The people you listed are NOT speaking of "revolution" they're speaking of EXTERMINATION.


I love my Country and her Govt "System" but support 100% throwing the PEOPLE in power over ...


That's good, and I am damn glad to hear that. But tell me something...

If you love this system we have, and you remove those in power, what good is it going to do when you put new people INTO power, but you rely on the same old broken, fuked up system?

The 2 party system DOES NOT WORK. Republicans propose something they think is good for the people, the Democrats oppose it NOT because they disagree with the legislature, they oppose it because it was presented by a Republican.

A Democrat proposes something they feel is good for the people, and the Republicans oppose it, ONLY because a Democrat presented it.

Give me a break. The system is RIPE for abuse. It's basic design dictates that it WILL be reduced to nothing more than a well dressed pissing match. Do this because it pisses off the other team, and the other team pissed us off last week!

Am I claiming to have the answers? No. Do I know what kind of system I would design if I had to? No. But I don't NEED to know how to build an effective system to see that the system we have isn't worth shit! Granted, the system we have is the best we got. So we're stuck with it. But we're only stuck with it as long as we ALLOW ourselves to be stuck with it.

I'm not a Doctor of Politics. I've never gone to college. I don't have a little piece of paper with a bunch of bullshit litters on it saying "I R A INTELYGINT GRAGUIT". But damn, you don't have to be a friggin genius to know when something is broken. And this country is fuked up right now. We better be willing to fix it, or someone else is going to step in and fix it THEIR way, and you're going to loose everything in the process.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Sorry Wolf. Advocating the over throw of our own government is perfectly acceptable. As it stand, there is nothing "legitimate" about our government any longer." --Gonzo67

Nope. I do not advocate the overthrow of a legitimate government. However, a corrupt, anti-Constitutional, oligarchy, dictatorship, anonymous societal one, it is our DUTY*to change by any means necessary to institute a just government.


*Declaration of Independence is the source for the word.

[Gonzo67]

Which is exactly what I said Wolf... Our government is no longer "Legitimate". It is serving it's OWN interests, not the interest of the people it represents. We are OBLIGATED to remove it.

[Wolfcounsel]

"The DoI circumstances don't fit today. In 1775 and 1776 they were dealing with a King whom nobody elected and who gave nobody a say in what he did, and for whom there was no method of getting shut but his abdication or regicide. IOW, he was not legitimate because his powers did not derive from the consent of us, the governed. Those specific conditions are the ones referred to in the DoI." --DesertFox

That is why the Second Amendment guarantees the maggots in power that their sorry asses will be overthrown the legitimate way. Tell me what you will do when and if Congress wipes its ass with the Second Amendment and orders the goons to go door to door confiscating our weapons, and at the same time tells us to work for change legitimately?

[Dowple]

What we have in this country is a kakistocracy (thanks for the word, spelling-beers).

[The_Elucidator]

What we have in this country is a kakistocracy (thanks for the word, spelling-beers).

Can you give me the country of origin?

Can you use it in a "real" sentence?

[Dowple]

Can you give me the country of origin?

Can you use it in a "real" sentence?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kakistocracy

[HooverWasRight]

It's against the law and can get us shut down. Talk about it in some other way.



Maaaauuum....Dads drunk again. :D

[HooverWasRight]

What pisses me off royally (one of the oh-so-many things that piss me off royally) is that predictably, the amnesty bill will only increase antagonism against Lations where it already exist, and it will create it where until now there was little or none.

This would be a completely natural reaction (I'm feeling increasingly antagonistic towards them myself ... and I'm South American!). It would be unnatural for people not to feel antagonistic against invaders of their country, who demand - and get - most of the bennies the locals cannot get hold of.

However, that in turn would trigger more "hate-crime" laws, which will give the invaders a further advantage over the locals. It will be a domino effect.

No matter how you look at this debacle, it just gets worse and worse. :flame:


Incidentally, I wonder if the consulates will be staffed with illegals.:question:


Oh Maggie ya need to quit being a dick!!! and be more open minded to the racially challenged. :D


You're South American...where ya from? St. George, Utah.

[The_Elucidator]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kakistocracy

Sorry, I guess you don't have a sense of humor in the morning... What a dick...

[Maggie_T]

My apologize Maggie.

The mexicans can not gain any further advantage over the American Citizens of this country. They can not gain any more advantage over us because they enjoy FULL advantage over us already.

Hon, you won't get any arguments from me, I assure you. You want further proof to what you and I say? Let's look at the crime of driving UTI. It looks like that is a staple of illegal immigrants: drunk driving. If I had a dollar for every drunken illegal who injured or killed an American, I'd be so rich Hillary Clinton would have to be president 20 years to take it all away from me. Meanwhile, Paris Hilton goes to prison for the same crime.

Wait! Stop it right there. Keep your shirt on, everyone.

I know, I know. I know what a useless airhead Ms. Hilton is. It's been extensively covered. But that's not the point here. The point is that while both Juan Perez and Paris Hilton are guilty of the same crime, only the American-born girl does the time.

I bet you anything you want that if Paris Hilton had the presence of mind (term used loosely) to realize the double standard, and protested accordingly, she would be excoricated more than usual, and she would be accused of racism, hate-crime, and of hating the poor. Am I wrong?

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I found the Mexican protest much more obscene and offensive than the, er, graphics. :flame:

I find it absolutely incredible that Mexicans can stand on a street corner and protest in our country. They can proudly proclaim their ILLEGAL status in the streets, committing this CRIME in full view of AMERICAN POLICE OFFICERS, and when LEGAL AMERICANS who have a right to protest and that right is GUARANTEED by our Constitution, then police will actually walk up and force the AMERICANS to leave, and allow the CRIMINALS to remain and continue to commit their crime.

It's totally surreal. If this was happening in another country, I would be laughing my head off, and making comments on the imbecility of the inhabitants of said country. Why, even the die-hard socialist French got tired of their immigration problem, and 80% of them elected a conservative. People can take only so much. Even in France. Whudda thunk that we'd end up trailing behind the Frogs.

This is your country being stripped away right out from under you. This is what your ELECTED LEADERS are doing to you.

So I ask you, is our government "legitimate"? Does our government deserve the right to stand before us as a nation and expect our loyalty? Our support? Our respect?

They're not getting mine, I'll tell you that right now. :flame:

If you believe that advocating the removal of our current government is a crime, if you TRULY believe that, then I'm sorry for you. Because as far as I can see, the ILLEGAL MEXICANS in our country are the criminals. Our own GOVERNMENT is guilty of aiding and abetting these criminals. Our own government is guilty of crimes against this country. Crimes of Treason. And if you fully support the form of government we have today, I would appreciate you not using the word "American" when you refer to yourself. Because it cheapens the word.

:claps: http://foolstown.com/sm/str.gif

Ahem, the Brits thought American revolutionaries were criminals, too, right? http://foolstown.com/sm/shy.gif


Our current government is nothing but a criminal agency. The new North American Mafia. American Politics have become nothing more than Organized Crime. And those that do not work to STOP it, are working to assist it.


Well, Gonz, as I said before, you won't get any arguments from me. Pity, in this case, that we've become so "civilized" that we shudder at the thought to giving the Imperial Official a much-deserved kick in the seat of the pants. And I'm thinking of a swifter and more "emphatic" method than the vote. :whistle:

I tremble for the future of the country. If they asked me which I prefer: living with the consequences of this bill, or being struck by a meteorite, I'd choose the second.

You think I'm overreacting? Please yourself. I'm dead serious. If a meteor smashes into us, that's it. It's over. We're out of our mysery. This bill will destroy this country so badly that, even if it were possible to repair the damage, it would take decades to do it. And with the demunists in power? Fugeddaboudit.

[Wolfcounsel]

That was pretty disgusting the way the little puto doughnut eater was warning the Americans instead of the cockroaches.

[DesertFox]

Yeah.

[Gonzo67]

What I found even more revolting than that was that the so called "Americans" bowed to the pig's wishes and AGREED to walk away.

I would have stood there and demanded that the Pseudo Law Enforcement Asshole, I mean Official, go harass the people breaking the law, or if he wanted me to move, he would be required to arrest me. I'd then hire the biggest, ugliest, meanest, "jewest" (Copyright - Me! A Term of endearment... no, honestly!) lawyer I could find, and do my best to own that friggin city through multiple civil rights lawsuits.

The reason they get away with the shit they're getting away with is that these "plastic Americans" hop-to and shuffle off with their tail between their legs every time some wet back and his pet asshole with a badge says "boo".