Why is it harder to be a teacher than a cop?

[BIGIRON]

I'm just curious to see what some of you think about this question Ive had rolling around in my head for some time now.

Ive been teaching for almost 10 years now and most states require me to have a Masters as a minimum to be considered qualified, I must also take new courses every year to stay current in what they call continuing education. I'm actually about 5 classes and half a thesis away from a Phd but when I do have my Doctorates Ill net only about 1500 more a year than I do now.
Ive had 7 years of college and almost 1 year of student teaching (I wasn't paid for this) I needed to pass 4 tests (3 were all day multiple part nightmares), have my finger prints taken twice, have a complete background check and finally work as a sub part time for a year at about 100 bucks a day. (if your reading this and thinking about teaching....DONT DO IT)
How is it that I could be a cop with a gun and the right to kill you or take your freedom away with only a High School diploma, and make 50 to 70k ? I'm not insinuating that they don't have a tough job (unless they work in a small town) but I am curious why so much is required of me to teach history and auto shop (and so little is paid) and so little is required of someone who could take everything away from you.
Is the solution to require more of cops or less of teachers? do the cops have a better union? and why the hell am I still teaching.....

Yes I was an idiot for ever wanting to teach but that aside what do you think about the question? This is just the ramblings of someone with nothing to do on a Saturday night so join me in the discussion.


And lastly heres the funny part, I was going to be a cop in the late 80s in LA but when a friend and I went to the recruiting fair all the white males were taken into a room alone and told to go home. The officer in front of us said that they would not be hiring white males for some time to come and that we should look elsewhere, when I asked about the test scores he said it didn't matter how high we scored the fact is we were white.

[nrocpop]

I get the feeling that teaching is like real estate. Only three things matter, location location location. You could check here in the Ozarks and sub for 50$ a day and meet police officers that make less than $30k or go to Northern Illinois where some teachers make over $100k.

[BEST45CAL]

Police departments these days desire recruits who have degrees. Police departments want people with college educations. A high school diploma is just a rock-bottom, minimum standard. But this high school diploma will also have to supplemented with at least 15-30 credits from an accredited college or university if you don't already have a degree.

In California, you also have to have a POST certificate (Police Officer Standards and Training) before you can join the force.

If you don't have a high school diploma, college credits and a POST certificate when you apply, you will not be hired.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I've been a teacher for 14 years now and in all those years I haven't made a dime. :smirky:

[AcesHigh]

I've been a teacher for 14 years now and in all those years I haven't made a dime. :smirky:


I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better

[cerebraldebris]

I have both teachers and cops in my family. Yes, the teacher has a master's degree. After 10 years of teaching he got sick of the public school system and went on to a job that he feels compensates him better for his years of education.

How is it that I could be a cop with a gun and the right to kill you or take your freedom away with only a High School diploma,
The right to bare arms doesn't require a degree of any sort... and cops don't have a right to just kill you or take away your freedom. An idiot who is putting your life in danger has a right to be shot and/or give up their freedom when they choose to break the law.

Becoming a cop is no small feat and not just anyone with a high school diploma can go apply and become a cop. Attempts to dumb down a job that obviously not every can do is pretty insulting to those who go and do it every day.

[cerebraldebris]

I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better

What was the point in that remark? Were you trying to make an intelligent statement? Or just be an ass?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better

Well, what YOU think doesn't matter.

I must have been good enough, considering my son graduated from high school AND his college dual enrollment program a 1/2 year early.

Yeah, you just keep thinking homeschool parents aren't teachers ... FreeConservatives - Washington Times Op-ed—Contest Winners Prove the Point (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=562008#post562008)


You want to pick a fight with me child, you best take it to another thread. Hijacking will not be tolerated.

[AcesHigh]

Ok not to hijack the thread or something but one child, and I emphasize one, who is home schooled and was probably gifted naturally from an early age wins the spelling Bee and now that cancels out all of the 16 previous winners who came from public schooling. Lets just hope home schoolers dont enter a science bee, then the general consensus would be look at the silly home schoolers when they reply "Dynasty of Khaba" when asked the period in which a triceritops lived

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Obviously, you didn't read the article.

[Riverboat]

Obviously, you didn't read the article.Neither did I. Didn't need to. I already know that homeschooled students consistently score higher in any test thrown at them.

I've pored over all of our poker player's posts and found them all porous. I can only hope his glaring punctuation, spelling and grammatical errors can't be traced back to me.

[Riverboat]

But to answer the question, I'm not so sure it IS easier to be a cop than a teacher. I've often said that teachers have it hard because we have to deal with students with all ranges of intelligence (or lack thereof), plus we have to deal with dozens of people who have a say in how we do our job: parents, administrators, and people who have never spent a day in class on my side of the desk who make all the rules in the nation and state's capital as well as all the Indian chiefs on boards of education PLUS the Department of Education. Let's not forget all the axe-grinders for all the Righteous Causes from one end to another of this fruity plain.

It seems to me, from reading and watching the news, that cops can match teachers hassle for hassle. Imagine the disgust of cops all over L.A. when such a blatant thug like O.J. gets off because the cop who arrested him was pilloried in the media for using bad language.

I wouldn't want to be a cop either, but at least they can carry a gun. On the other hand, it's probably a good thing teachers can't. I would have unloaded a clip on an administrator years ago - the one who gave me a poor evalution because my room wasn't decorated enough.

[BIGIRON]

But to answer the question, I'm not so sure it IS easier to be a cop than a teacher. I've often said that teachers have it hard because we have to deal with students with all ranges of intelligence (or lack thereof), plus we have to deal with dozens of people who have a say in how we do our job: parents, administrators, and people who have never spent a day in class on my side of the desk who make all the rules in the nation and state's capital as well as all the Indian chiefs on boards of education PLUS the Department of Education. Let's not forget all the axe-grinders for all the Righteous Causes from one end to another of this fruity plain.

It seems to me, from reading and watching the news, that cops can match teachers hassle for hassle. Imagine the disgust of cops all over L.A. when such a blatant thug like O.J. gets off because the cop who arrested him was pilloried in the media for using bad language.

I wouldn't want to be a cop either, but at least they can carry a gun. On the other hand, it's probably a good thing teachers can't. I would have unloaded a clip on an administrator years ago - the one who gave me a poor evaluation because my room wasn't decorated enough.

I didnt mean in terms of the work done (although most of the students that graced my classes in LA were criminals) I meant in terms of education and requirements. I have no doubt they gave a tougher job when it comes to the subhumans they deal with.

[Large_Al]

Acehigh
Congratulations who ever taught you to be an A$$hole did a good job. You can thank a teacher for that!!! or did you get home schooled??
:thumb:

[The_Elucidator]

I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better

Yeah, heaven forbid a child learns Reading, Science, Math, Writing and History. The kids in Publik skools who learn about diversity, mythical gorebull warming and how to appreciate little Bobby's wiener are much more culturally sound in their secular doctrine! And with those three as benchmarks we are pumping out some real geniuses; yourself for example.. :rotflmbo:

Kid I suggest you read more and post much, much less!!

[BEST45CAL]

I'm just curious to see what some of you think about this question Ive had rolling around in my head for some time now.

Ive been teaching for almost 10 years now and most states require me to have a Masters as a minimum to be considered qualified, I must also take new courses every year to stay current in what they call continuing education. I'm actually about 5 classes and half a thesis away from a Phd but when I do have my Doctorates Ill net only about 1500 more a year than I do now.
Ive had 7 years of college and almost 1 year of student teaching (I wasn't paid for this) I needed to pass 4 tests (3 were all day multiple part nightmares), have my finger prints taken twice, have a complete background check and finally work as a sub part time for a year at about 100 bucks a day. (if your reading this and thinking about teaching....DONT DO IT)
How is it that I could be a cop with a gun and the right to kill you or take your freedom away with only a High School diploma, and make 50 to 70k ? I'm not insinuating that they don't have a tough job (unless they work in a small town) but I am curious why so much is required of me to teach history and auto shop (and so little is paid) and so little is required of someone who could take everything away from you.
Is the solution to require more of cops or less of teachers? do the cops have a better union? and why the hell am I still teaching.....

Yes I was an idiot for ever wanting to teach but that aside what do you think about the question? This is just the ramblings of someone with nothing to do on a Saturday night so join me in the discussion.


And lastly heres the funny part, I was going to be a cop in the late 80s in LA but when a friend and I went to the recruiting fair all the white males were taken into a room alone and told to go home. The officer in front of us said that they would not be hiring white males for some time to come and that we should look elsewhere, when I asked about the test scores he said it didn't matter how high we scored the fact is we were white.Why would you want to even compare these occupations? One of them is clearly much more hazardous to your health than the other.

Besides, police don't take people's rights away, nor do they shoot and kill people at will. Police enforce local laws and regulations, etc. and will shoot anyone who threatens them with deadly force. That's the same affirmed right to self-protection that everybody else in this country has.

You should compare your education and training requirements (and paychecks) with a different job that requires the same amount of education and training but pays substantially more money.

I think uneducated celebrities who team up with corrupt politicians are more of a threat to the nation than a fully trained 21-year-old with a badge and a gun.

If you don't think you make enough money doing what you're doing, then maybe it's time to get another job that pays more.

That's what I did.

[Beowulf]

I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better

I'm guessing Homes' kids are getting a better quality education than most. Wanna see the real world, Ace? Put on a serviceman's uniform and serve your country.....if you're man enough. That's when you discover who some of your supposed friends really aren't. I served proudly and am glad I had the chance.

[buzzthepug!]

Hi BigIron,

Nowadays being a teacher is like being an anthropologist in some foreign, unstable land. The teachers have to focus on kids that not only don't speak english but who's parents don't care if they do their homework or even read. The NO CHild Left Behind thing is stressful because you have to meet your testing quota.

Apparently, you have a strong calling and you should follow it. Plus, it sounds like you have great credentials.

What about private schools? That's got to be a whole different ball game.

[omegatrump]

I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better


Obviously what you think doesn't represent much thought. The home school community across America didn't come about because people are over protective parents. It came about primarily because of ultra liberal demonic filth that has infiltrated the government school system rendering it unfit for any thinking person to send their children to.

While there are good teachers within the government schools, the over all picture of the system is one of degredation. The promotion of degredation being their paramount purpose. It's liberalism.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better" --AcesHigh

Homeschooling kids is not bringing up Siddhartha Gautama.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Lets just hope home schoolers dont enter a science bee, then the general consensus would be look at the silly home schoolers when they reply "Dynasty of Khaba" when asked the period in which a triceritops lived" --AcesHigh

Some can't even spell Triceratops, or place a period at the end of a sentence, or an apostrophe in "let's", "don't", and they don't avoid run on sentences by separating a thought by a comma and continuing.<!-- / message -->

[omegatrump]

Bigiron, you sound like a teacher who see's your job as a calling. My wife just encountered the idiotic test you refer to. Who in their right mind could consider such idiocy to be productive for our education system?

Here it sounds like many of the teachers who have "hung in there" over the years are opting to get out because of the stupidity imposed on them by "no child left behind".

Private School should have a future. It's sad to see good teachers penalized and further hampered by an out of control system that demands them to focus on idiocy to qualify.

[AcesHigh]

"Lets just hope home schoolers dont enter a science bee, then the general consensus would be look at the silly home schoolers when they reply "Dynasty of Khaba" when asked the period in which a triceritops lived" --AcesHigh

<!-- / message --> Some can't even spell Triceratops, or place a period at the end of a sentence, or an apostrophe in "let's", "don't", and they don't avoid run on sentences by separating a thought by a comma and continuing.

I guess you knew you couldnt argue with what i said so you started doin the last ditch correcting the grammar routine. Well Thanks,

[Riverboat]

I guess you knew you couldnt argue with what i said so you started doin the last ditch correcting the grammar routine. Well Thanks,If you live by the sword you die by the sword, twinkie.

[AcesHigh]

If you live by the sword you die by the sword, twinkie.

Tell that to Bush

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I would say comparing law enforcment officers and educational instructors (how PC of me, eh? :smirky:) is quite like comparing apples and oranges. Both important, both necessary, both require things the other doesn't and yet include some of the same as well.

I don't think the disparity bothers me so much regarding these two professions as it does between these two professions and those that seem to take little to no technical or educational skills and yet make vast amounts of money -- like the revered and worshipped hollyweird high school drop outs (Brittany Spears and Lindsey Lohand come to mind, but there are oodles more).

[Wolfcounsel]

"I guess you knew you couldnt argue with what i said so you started doin the last ditch correcting the grammar routine. Well Thanks," --AcesHigh

If you quit butchering the English language, I promise I will discuss with you, but otherwise it's like trying to teach a monkey the difference between a football and a real monkey.:evilgrin:<!-- / message -->

[DoctorDoom]

As the one who admitted the snot-nosed, self-important collij boie to FC, I apologize for inflicting the imbecile on the board. He has been trolling since his first post, and is here only to piss off the regulars.

It took one mouse click to admit the cretin. And it took only one mouse click to boot his punk ass out the door.

The little pests are becoming too much bother to tolerate, and we have no mandate to put up with their "Lookit how smart I am! Lookit, mommy!" bullshit

Go find another board to annoy, child. :rolleyes:

[Charity]

The reason you have to have so much "feducation", is that before you can teach the kids, they want to make darn sure you yourself have been well indoctrinated.
I just thank God for the few teachers who managed to escape liberalism.

[Timberwolf]

I dont think you can be considered a teacher though. Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds better
She's more of a teacher than you'll EVER get in publik skrewel, junior. Her kids will kick your ever lovin' heinie up 'n' down the street in ANY scholastic test given.

Now then, try to keep up...begin by EDUCATING yourself.

[Madbomber]

Part of the reason that teachers are paid less might be that they work around 9 months a year on average rather than 12 months a year. There's a lot of vacation time in them thar schools. The rest of it might have to with hazard pay. Also add into the mix that an Education degree tends to be easier than say a business degree might add into why they get less than an average degreed job. Also, if you are talking average pay you might want to remember that a lot of cops do indeed have college degrees as well. Oh yah also its a tenured possition maybe the added job security comes at a cost.

[Etaoin]

I guess you knew you couldnt argue with what i said so you started doin the last ditch correcting the grammar routine. Well Thanks,

Pouting? Ace, you asked for double broadsides, so take your medicine and perhaps learn something. Perhaps you might acquire a modicum of civility if you hang around this forum for a while.

Home schooled children are NOT coddled brats. Parents take on the job because they do not want to waste their children's lives when forced to attend the public school system. Most would send their children to private or parochial school if they could afford it. Home schooling is a lot of extra work for those parents who get involved as they give up the free time the other parents have or the second income that they forego by genuinely caring about the education their children receive.

Uninformed, ignorant or merely snide comments are not treated well on this board....so please inform yourself a little and learn something before commenting.

[DoctorDoom]

He might read it, but his commenting days are over.

[Riverboat]

"feducation"I've just gotta ask your permission to use that word in future broadsides to the newspaper editor. I LOVE it!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Ditto, 'Boat!

Charity, going to borrow that one from you too, if you don't mind. It's being added to my children's lexicon post haste, LOL.

[BEST45CAL]

As for home schooling, my sister used to home school my niece but she would have recess with the kids at the local school since it was just a few blocks down the street.

I don't have any stats, but I would think homeschooled kids are more active than publik skewel kidz.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I don't have any stats, but I would think homeschooled kids are more active than publik skewel kidz." --BEST45CAL

It's based on common sense. Dumbasses'R'Us was lacking it when he posted about homeschooled kids being protected from the world. What is more likely to ban all competitive sports and all dangerous playground equipment, and to teach children that everybody is a winner, even if they can't play worth a doodly squat? Is it a home schooling environment, or is it a public school?<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Rhino]

How is it that I could be a cop with a gun and the right to kill you or take your freedom away with only a High School diploma, and make 50 to 70k ?BI, I hope that was just sarcasm of hyperbole, because if you truly believe cops have those rights, it kinda scares me that you teach kids.

Salaries are like everything else in a free market. They are governed by supply and demand. Despite the lofty requirements, there are simply far more teachers out there than there are jobs for them, as a general rule. Hence, lower salaries. My wife is discovering this the hard way. Until teacher qualifications are based on the results they produce instead of the pieces of paper they have hanging on the wall, this is likely to remain the case.

[Rhino]

Ok not to hijack the thread or something but one child, and I emphasize one, who is home schooled and was probably gifted naturally from an early age wins the spelling Bee and now that cancels out all of the 16 previous winners who came from public schooling. Lets just hope home schoolers dont enter a science bee, then the general consensus would be look at the silly home schoolers when they reply "Dynasty of Khaba" when asked the period in which a triceritops livedOkay, who let the child in? Wasn't somebody supposed to be checking IDs at the door?

[DoctorDoom]

I did. I must have sneezed or sumpin' and he snuck past.

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Overprotective parent scared to let their child see the real world sounds betterActually, discerning parents sparing their children from being exposed to the "real world" that churns out numb-witted, zit-popping, booger-chewing semihumans like that.

[Charity]

I've just gotta ask your permission to use that word in future broadsides to the newspaper editor. I LOVE it!<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
Of course you can use it. :-)