Definition of a Liberal - Literally!!!

[The_Elucidator]

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–adjective <TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>1.</TD><TD vAlign=top>favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>2.</TD><TD vAlign=top>(often initial capital letterhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>3.</TD><TD vAlign=top>of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>4.</TD><TD vAlign=top>favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>5.</TD><TD vAlign=top>favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>6.</TD><TD vAlign=top>of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>7.</TD><TD vAlign=top>free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>8.</TD><TD vAlign=top>open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>9.</TD><TD vAlign=top>characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>10.</TD><TD vAlign=top>given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>11.</TD><TD vAlign=top>not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>12.</TD><TD vAlign=top>of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>13.</TD><TD vAlign=top>of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>–noun <TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>14.</TD><TD vAlign=top>a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>15.</TD><TD vAlign=top>(often initial capital letterhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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In one of the other threads the discussion came up about Fascism and brother Rhino pointed out that there can be anomalies within a characterization.. (my words).

Anyway, for whatever reason, I looked up the word liberal this morning. I think it was because of the Elton John thread... But when I read the definitions I had to laugh out loud at how the opposite can be true also. In the case of a "defined" liberal, this goes polar opposite to what we come to know as a liberal.

I thought we could have some fun with this thead by either adding more definitions or breaking down the "accepted" definitions.

Flamewars here we come.. :thumb:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

[lowlander]

You'll learn new things everyday.

[PaulRevere]

Socialists first hijacked the term Liberal. But, when everyone discovered what they really were, they avoided that term. Then, some started calling themselves "Progressives", which term they also stole. What the significant difference between them and liberals was never explained. Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, was the champion of Progressives 100 years ago.

Today some call themselves centrists or moderates though, again, we can easily tell that they are anything but. The names change, but the leftist agenda doesn't. In my opinion their socialist totalitarian tendencies are stronger than ever.

[DesertFox]

Dave Horowitz, in his book Radical Son, explains how radical lefties voted to call themselves progressives in 1988 in some get-together in the San Fran area.

[The_Elucidator]

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–noun <TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>1.</TD><TD vAlign=top>a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>2.</TD><TD vAlign=top>procedure or practice in accordance with this theory. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>3.</TD><TD vAlign=top>(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Compare utopian socialism (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=utopian socialism).


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Paying particular attention to number 3...

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Then there is...

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A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
Communism
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.

Now tell me which definition most closely resembles today's "Progressives."

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[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Excuse me whilst I choke as I say this, however ... liberals, progressives, radical-leftists, demunists, liberazis, whatever you want to call them, are extremely adept and HAVE succeeded at one very important aspect of politics: the ability to shape and form the fight. They are masters at manipulating the citizenry, most often using words and images - soundbites and clips - harnessing the pop culture language which broadens their appeal to the everyday, Regular Joe and Jane. They are incapable of, and are unable to participate in, arguements of substance. Once behind the veneer, their ideas, plans, and programs combust when the light of truth is straightforwardly shined on them.

The internet is doing to the left, what it is also doing to music artists (so bemoans Elton John in another thread). Right now, it is the Right who is putting the web to the best use. We are blasting the mainstream media, immediately catching the mis- and dis- information being put forth, and debunking their arguments effectively defanging and declawing them. But we need to be ever vigilant -- one thing you can also say about them, they learn quickly how to reshape the game.

[JOHN D]

Modern liberalism means that truth itself is an oppression, which we observe in their propaganda on a daily basis, but in the larger sense, because if there is truth, then people are not absolutely free to do whatever they like.

[JOHN D]

Dave Horowitz, in his book Radical Son, explains how radical lefties voted to call themselves progressives in 1988 in some get-together in the San Fran area.

Hillary must have attended.

[lowlander]

The internet is doing to the left, what it is also doing to music artists (so bemoans Elton John in another thread). Right now, it is the Right who is putting the web to the best use. We are blasting the mainstream media, immediately catching the mis- and dis- information being put forth, and debunking their arguments effectively defanging and declawing them. But we need to be ever vigilant -- one thing you can also say about them, they learn quickly how to reshape the game.


Yes your right you/we/theRight are putting the web to the best use.

But sadly, the left is much better at using the internet.

[The_Elucidator]

The internet is doing to the left, what it is also doing to music artists (so bemoans Elton John in another thread). Right now, it is the Right who is putting the web to the best use. We are blasting the mainstream media, immediately catching the mis- and dis- information being put forth, and debunking their arguments effectively defanging and declawing them. But we need to be ever vigilant -- one thing you can also say about them, they learn quickly how to reshape the game.

Football analogy alert... :thumb:

They are very adept at making in-game and half time adjustments. And like any bad team, if you let them hang around long enough, they can pull out a victory. That is exactly what we conservatives have done.

In '94 we hit the field with a great team and a perfect game plan. But we compromised our principles and lowered ourselves to the level of our opponents and now we are in overtime with the 'Rats driving to our 20 yard line for the winning FG. What started out as a blowout could very well turn into a disastrous loss. It will be only by the grace of God that we get out of this mess!!!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Football analogy alert... :thumb:

They are very adept at making in-game and half time adjustments. And like any bad team, if you let them hang around long enough, they can pull out a victory. That is exactly what we conservatives have done.

In '94 we hit the field with a great team and a perfect game plan. But we compromised our principles and lowered ourselves to the level of our opponents and now we are in overtime with the 'Rats driving to our 20 yard line for the winning FG. What started out as a blowout could very well turn into a disastrous loss. It will be only by the grace of God that we get out of this mess!!!


:thumb: See why I voted for you for POM? :smirky: (Even after you have picked on me mercilessly, http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/icon12.gif )

[The_Elucidator]

:thumb: See why I voted for you for POM? :smirky: (Even after you have picked on me mercilessly, http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/icon12.gif )

My dad always told me it builds character... :biggrin: Sides, yer a Noles fan... :noggin:

[Naturalized-Texan]

Luc: That definition of a liberal is actually the definition of a classical liberal, e.g., our Founding Fathers. That definition also fits modern American conservatives - us. If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they would be posting here along with the rest of us conservatives.

Modern American liberals are diametrically opposed to the classical liberalism of our Founding Fathers.

[Rhino]

8. open-minded:rotflmbo:

[garlicguy]

8. ...tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

Bingo. We have a winner!:thumb:

[Dania]

But we need to be ever vigilant -- one thing you can also say about them, they learn quickly how to reshape the game.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->



In other words, lefties are kinda like the Borg. They adapt quickly to overcome any weapon we throw at them.....even though they are mindless robots controlled by a central 'hub'...haha!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

In other words, lefties are kinda like the Borg. They adapt quickly to overcome any weapon we throw at them.....even though they are mindless robots controlled by a central 'hub'...haha!

GREAT analogy! They may think resistance is futile, but I don't plan on being assimilated, :smirky:. I will forever rage against their machine :biggrin:

[Maggie_T]

DISCLAIMER: The following is the definition of a CLASSICAL LIBERAL. It should not, I repeat, SHOULD NOT, be confused with a modern liberal (e.i. any specimen found in CONgress and/or the entertainment industry).


Allow me to make the difference between a classical liberal and a modern liberal:



Classical Liberal:

<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>1.</TD><TD vAlign=top>Someone favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

Modern Liberal:

Someone who, when he says he favors political and/or religious reform, he's really talking about the total and complete anihilation of opposite political views, as well as Christian religion.


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>2.</TD><TD vAlign=top>(often initial capital letterhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) someone noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

Modern Liberal:

Someone who, when he says he advocates measures of progressive political refors, he's really talking about imposing communism - of failing that, its Mini-Me: socialism - in the country, in spite of the vast majority of the country being completely opposed to leftis ideology. Modern liberals also insist that they are the majority when in reality they merely constitute 20% of the voting force. Also, for reasons clear to anyone with half a brain, liberals do not want to be associated with communism. So instead of calling themselves communists, they call themselves "progressive," much to the amusement of normal people, who know that liberals' worst enemy is ... progress.


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>3.</TD><TD vAlign=top>of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Please read #2 again.


Classical Liberal:

<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>4.</TD><TD vAlign=top>Someone favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Modern Liberal:

Someone whose concept of maximum individual freedom is complete and undiluted license, especially of a sexual nature. Since license is usually restricted, if not forbidden, by law, a modern liberal will circumvent that incovenience by appealing to activist liberal judges in the courts, who more often than not, convert license into a "right" thus making it "legal."


Classical Liberal:

<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>5.</TD><TD vAlign=top>Someone favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

Modern Liberal:

Someone favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression, ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY when said personal belief or expression coincide totally and completely with those of the modern liberal: a liberal policy toward leftist dissident artists and writers. Conservative dissident artists and writers should not apply.



Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>6.</TD><TD vAlign=top>of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

Modern Liberal:

Someone of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies, BUT who considers him/herself to be an aristocrat and/or a monarch, and expects to be treated accordingly by the hoi-polloi he/she pretends to be concerned for (the best examples of this are to be found in Hollywood and in the democrat aisle of CONgress).


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>7.</TD><TD vAlign=top>free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

Modern Liberal:

Someone who PRETENDS TO BE free from prejudice or bigotry, and tolerant. In reality, a modern liberal is only tolerant to: pervs of all varieties - especially sexual -criminals, terrorists, etc., as long as they sit on the democrat side of CONgress. A liberal attitude toward foreigners is only reserved to foreigners who are dark-skinned, illiterate, disease and/or poverty-stricken, and who enter the country illegally.


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>8.</TD><TD vAlign=top>open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

Modern Liberal:

Someone who is open-minded only and exclusively to ideas and views that are a carbon copy of his/her own. Modern liberals are characteristically free of, and never bound by, traditional values such as honesty, decency, moral integrity, personal responsibility, accountability, etc. BUT, they fiercely demand all of the above from other people, especially those of opposite political and religious views.


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>9.</TD><TD vAlign=top>characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.


Modern Liberal:

Someone characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: AS LONG AS IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY, and especially if said money goes to causes that advance modern liberal agendas.


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>10.</TD><TD vAlign=top>given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.

Please read #9 again.


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>11.</TD><TD vAlign=top>not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.

Modern Liberal:

Someone not strict or rigorous, not literal, especially when referring to those parts of the American Constitution that do not forward the liberal agenda. Someone who is strict, literal, and rigorous when referring to liberal dogma, not matter how idiotic or unscientific that dogma is. e.i. global warming.


Classical Liberal:

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<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>12.</TD><TD vAlign=top>of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Modern Liberal:

Of, pertaining to, or befitting a man who is dependent on government for EVERYTHING: food, clothes, speech, thought, etc.


Classical Liberal:

<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>14.</TD><TD vAlign=top>a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.

Modern Liberal:

A person of strict and unbending communist principles or views, esp. in politics. Religion does not fit, unless it is what liberals call The Religion of Peace, otherwise known as Islam.


That is it, just off the top of my head. Feel free to add your own contributions. I'm sure they all apply.







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[Maggie_T]

Forgive the inconsistency of font size in the above-post. I tried to correct it, but for some reason, I could not. :(

[Rhino]

Sizes removed.

[The_Elucidator]

Nice job Maggie - your translation is much more accurate.

[Maggie_T]

Thank you, Luc. A praise especially valuable coming from the PoM. http://foolstown.com/sm/rev.gif

And thank you, Rhino, for the technical help. ;)

[Lazarus]

Luc's initial observation is something that has been on my mind for a while and was recently verified by my own Pastor...

Liberalism in its true sense is, in effect, open-mindedness - One who questions the norm in a search for truth... If liberalism is balanced by objectivity and honesty, the liberal in question will ultimately validate those truths of life that he questioned, once he finds them to be truths... The true liberal is motivated by an honest search for truth...

I actually have a dear friend who is such a person... She has questioned the norms of life, but in her honest search for truth, she has followed the path back to Conservative doctrines on many issues...

What we actually fight against today, even though we tag them for our purposes as "liberals", are in truth not liberals at all - They are Leftists... Radical activists who believe that a free man is a danger and who are prepared to force their utopian socialist image of what the world should be down the throats of all men, even at the point of a gun...

We are fighting against those who would enslave us... And if we ourselves are to be honest, those are not Liberals - They dont come close to resembling true liberals...

This is why I have, of late, tried to be more specific in my comments - When I mean Leftist I try to say Leftist, not Liberal... I want to stop using the word in general terms in reference to our enemies, because it is not accurate... If I use the word liberal loosely as an interchangable word for Leftist, then, in effect, I am contributing to the dumbing down of America - The barbaric invasion of our culture...

Indeed liberalism, if applied by the uneducated and undisciplined mind, is inevitably a blind path to the slavery of Marxism... And without a doubt there are Liberal individuals who, by their own sloppy thinking, have embraced the dark side...

But the failure of those individuals is no reason to allow ourselves to become sucked into that same sloppy thinking - A society that values the accurate use of its language is a strong, vigorous, healthy culture...

It is quite possible for a person to be a confirmed liberal but NOT a Leftist... I will most definitely continue to use the word liberal when it applies, but I want to try to be more disciplined in my approach to my comments in the future - If I mean Leftist, I will say Leftist, not Liberal...

The observations of Tex and Maggie are both outstanding, I might add...

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Lazarus:
Luc's initial observation is something that has been on my mind for a while and was recently verified by my own Pastor...

Liberalism in its true sense is, in effect, open-mindedness - One who questions the norm in a search for truth... If liberalism is balanced by objectivity and honesty, the liberal in question will ultimately validate those truths of life that he questioned, once he finds them to be truths... The true liberal is motivated by an honest search for truth...

I actually have a dear friend who is such a person... She has questioned the norms of life, but in her honest search for truth, she has followed the path back to Conservative doctrines on many issues...

:moo: And thereïn lies the source of the adage that if a young man isn't liberal, he has no heart, & if an older man isn't conservative, he has no brain. To that end, many of us, myself included, were once liberal, even to the point of voting democrat. But our search for truth resulted in a "come to Jesus" moment, in which we realized that conservatism is what's best for our sociëty.

What we actually fight against today, even though we tag them for our purposes as "liberals", are in truth not liberals at all - They are Leftists... Radical activists who believe that a free man is a danger and who are prepared to force their utopian socialist image of what the world should be down the throats of all men, even at the point of a gun...

We are fighting against those who would enslave us... And if we ourselves are to be honest, those are not Liberals - They dont come close to resembling true liberals...

This is why I have, of late, tried to be more specific in my comments - When I mean Leftist I try to say Leftist, not Liberal... I want to stop using the word in general terms in reference to our enemies, because it is not accurate... If I use the word liberal loosely as an interchangable word for Leftist, then, in effect, I am contributing to the dumbing down of America - The barbaric invasion of our culture...

:moo: I'll try to make that change, as well. And while we're on the subject, I cringe when I hear people (even you guys) refer to leftists as "pc". It doesn't matter if they're using it sarcastically, they're promoting a euphemism that leftists use seriously. I actually heard one of my students use it this past school year, & I told him that there's nothing that chaffs my hide so much as hearing liberalism (I hadn't changed that yet) referred to as "political correctness". There's nothing correct about leftism, either politically, socially, financially, or anything else -ly.

A society that values the accurate use of its language is a strong, vigorous, healthy culture...

It is quite possible for a person to be a confirmed liberal but NOT a Leftist... I will most definitely continue to use the word liberal when it applies, but I want to try to be more disciplined in my approach to my comments in the future - If I mean Leftist, I will say Leftist, not Liberal...

:moo: In that same vein, leftists have already perverted the usage of gay, choice, & as I just pointed out in another thread, balance.

[Maggie_T]

Laz and Moo are perfectly right, of course. We must make every effort to avoid using leftist euphemisms when referring to, well, lefties.

That is why I never, EVER, refer to the bastards as "progressive." There in absolutely NOTHING progressive about socialism. Someone once said that the only progressive thing about this scourge of modern times is the way they progressively take a country back to the dark ages and the enslavement of human beings. I think it's more like "fast incrementalism," but that's only me.

But I digress. My friends, I suggest we discipline ourselves and call these bastards by their proper name: 'socialists', and even 'communists'. As I never tire of saying Reagan defeated the USSR, but communism is still alive and well, unfortunately.

[Lazarus]

Progressive! Ha! Now that's one that makes me laugh everytime I hear it... It is the ultimate display of how the Leftist lie is purpetrated on society... Everytime you start to nail their hides to the wall and shine the light of truth on these viruses, they "morph" into a new package to present themselves to the public...

The tag "Liberal" (as we were erroneously using it) was revealed by Reagan and those who carried his torch afterward, as the the lie that it was... The public began to reject the "Liberal" doctrine of the Left...

So they has assumed their new verbal disguise - "Progressive"... Which is to say that anyone who disagrees with them is "Regressive"... The arrogance of the term is astounding...

As I never tire of saying Reagan defeated the USSR, but communism is still alive and well, unfortunately.Precisely correct, dearest Maggie... In fact Rush has taken the concept even further... He has been saying for a while now that after the Soviet Union collapsed, Communism found a new safe house in the the Environmental Movement - And he is right on the target! Isn't it amazing that after losing his job to Yeltzen, Gorbachev almost immediately assumed a position as a spokesman for "World Environmentalism"?... Funny how that works, huh?

I recently heard the radical Eco-nazis referred to as "Watermelon People" - Green on the outside but red to the core... I like that analogy... Environmentalism is the latest storefront cover for hardcore Marxism - It is the movement they intend to use to bring about the collapse of the West...

[Naturalized-Texan]

Laz and Moo are perfectly right, of course. We must make every effort to avoid using leftist euphemisms when referring to, well, lefties.

That is why I never, EVER, refer to the bastards as "progressive." There in absolutely NOTHING progressive about socialism. Someone once said that the only progressive thing about this scourge of modern times is the way they progressively take a country back to the dark ages and the enslavement of human beings. I think it's more like "fast incrementalism," but that's only me.

But I digress. My friends, I suggest we discipline ourselves and call these bastards by their proper name: 'socialists', and even 'communists'. As I never tire of saying Reagan defeated the USSR, but communism is still alive and well, unfortunately.
Actually, modern American liberals are much closer to being fascists than to being socialists or Communists.

Socialists and Communists believe in government ownership of all businesses as well as government control over every aspect of our lives, while fascists believe in government control of all businesses as well as government control over every aspect of our lives. Modern American liberals don't want the government to own businesses------yet. Like the fascists, modern American liberals do believe in government control of all businesses as well as government control over every aspect of our lives.

Consequently, it's much more correct to refer to modern American liberals as fascists than to refer to them as socialists or Communists.

[Lazarus]

Actually, modern American liberals are much closer to being fascists than to being socialists or Communists.

Socialists and Communists believe in government ownership of all businesses as well as government control over every aspect of our lives, while fascists believe in government control of all businesses as well as government control over every aspect of our lives. Modern American liberals don't want the government to own businesses------yet. Like the fascists, modern American liberals do believe in government control of all businesses as well as government control over every aspect of our lives.

Consequently, it's much more correct to refer to modern American liberals as fascists than to refer to them as socialists or Communists.Maybe so in their current incarnation... But give them time, Tex... If they can pull off this phase of their evil scheme, I fully expect them to ultimately expand it all to classic Marxism, with all that THAT implies...

I wonder where they will put their Gulag? Alaska? I always wanted to visit Alaska...

[Naturalized-Texan]

I always wanted to visit Alaska...
It's a great place to visit.

[Lazarus]

It's a great place to visit.Implying that we wouldn't want to live there?:D

Well I must say, in my state of advanced age:rolleyes: I find I dont enjoy being cold anymore... But if these roaches do one day take over, I suspect you and I both will have to get used to the Alaskan winters...

Will they let us cut trees for firewood? Even the Soviets let the political prisoners cut firewood...

:question:

[Naturalized-Texan]

Implying that we wouldn't want to live there?:D
I wouldn't mind living there in the summer. I couldn't stand to live through a long winter with nearly 24 hours of darkness. We took a 13-night cruise-tour of Alaska during the first half of June - 6 nights on land, including a train from Anchorage to Denali National Park and then on to Fairbanks and then a 7-night cruise through the Inside Passage. When we were in Fairbanks it never got dark.

[Wyatt_Junker]

I have a slightly different take on the term 'progressive'. There is no positive in my mind in relation to the word. I don't want progress since there's nothing to 'progress' to. In fact, I want to go back to America 1955. I want women to stay home and men to go to work with black lunch pails in their hand.

I don't want any more legislation of any kind. I don't want any new bills, nor any new laws. Year after year, decade after decade, and precept upon precept they incrementally make life more complicated with regulation, for good or bad. Instead, I want a bulldozer to raze the capitol and the halls of the Senate and I want a heartless bastard whose only job is to assassinate laws, one by one and permanently sunset them in Chernobyl-like graves. Maybe start with the 'right' to an abortion. Kill that one first. Actually, let the babies be born. Then, kill the moms who wanted to scalpel the kid out. Kind of reverse the whole process.

I want to get back to figgerin stuff out without help of law or lawyers. I want the wilderness again, the scary, untamed wilderness. I want dangerous situations to arise where you could fall down off of playground equipment and break a leg and say that that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

And I never want to refer to myself as a liberal either because I don't need to 'put ideas to the test' in 'a quest to find truth'. No. I was born knowing truth. I came out of the womb a con. I was never a liberal. I never needed to figure anything out in terms of truth. There was right and there was wrong. It stood out. It was obvious. I didn't need to search it out. I still don't need to seek it. Its in frunnuh my nose. Its in frunnuh everyone's nose. They just don't want to admit it and they pretend 'to seek' it out, when in fact it was there all along.

[Maggie_T]

I want to go back to America 1955

You, me, and so many others, Wyatt.


I know, I know. "(Gasp!) Do you want to go back to the days of segregation?!" :eek: will be the predictable, horror-stricken caterwauling from the left.

And the answer is, yes, I do. With a slight variation: I want segregation to be applied exclusively to ALL lefties, regardless of race, skin color, gender, age, sexual orientation, etc., etc. Equal Opportunity Segregation, if you get my meaning.

To prove that I also care for the environment, I want lefties to be removed from the vecinity of decent, normal Americans. They are a menace to decent society, especially children. They pollute the air like a dozen active Chernobyls put side by side.

So. Bring on the Lefty Ghettos. They won't be too bad, you know. In them, lefties will be able to live by their principles and beliefs (such as they are). They will be on a strict diet of water, herbs, and tofu, they can smoke their "medicinal" marihuana, they can have their "universal healthcare," they can worship Mother Nature, they can indulge in their favorite sport (mindless sex with anthing that moves; or failing that, masturbation), etc.

Also, in their ghettos lefties will be free to live in close proximity to what I call their "betters," but lefties prefer to call their "equals" (they are so democratic): animals. Like in Olde Europe, they can store pigs under their beds, let goats defecate in the kitchen, and allow their next of kin, the jackass, into the living room. It's all natural, you see.

One important thing, though: LEFTIES will have to pay for all that. No government-subsidized anything. THEY will have to pick up the tab for all their demands.

Oh, and one last thing. Lefties will be allowed to leave the ghetto only with permission granted by the outside world. A curfue will be strictly imposed and lefties had better observe it, or they will be deported to Cuba and/or China.

There. That's from me to the morons at FSTDT, DUh, and any other leftist cesspool, as well as any other leftist imbecile who might be lurking around this website. With love, of course. :evilgrin:

[Wolfcounsel]

"Liberal" is the word I use sarcastically to describe cowardly, pinko, anti-gun, pro-murder, anti-death penalty, anal-retentive health nanny, Che-loving, Mao-loving, dictatorial asshole-loving, anti-Flag, anti-Christian, pro-Muslim sand monkey, anti-Constitution except for the First Amendment when it suits him, anti-homeschooling, anti-American, pro-U.N., anti-self-defense, pro-use of other people's money, pro welfare bum, parasitic species of human.

If I left out any qualities, may a short life be his biggest and only virtue.

[Riverboat]

Everything Wyatt said. The whole enchilada. Jettison all but the essential four cabinets: Defense, State, Justice and Treasury. Here's a short-cut solution: Turn off the air-conditioning in the Capitol. If they're gonna make our lives miserable, let's make it mandatory that they be miserable, too.

Anyway, Will Rogers put it best: I can remember way back when a liberal was one who was generous with his own money.

[Maggie_T]

If I left out any qualities, may a short life be his biggest and only virtue.

:lol: Amen! :lol:



Bah. We should be SO lucky. :sulk:

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Common American liberal: stupid, naive, grossly ignorant, vicious.

[Etaoin]

A week ago, Clarence Page, an editorial writer for the Chicago Tribune as well as other rags posed the question, "WHEN DID LIBERAL BECOME A DIRTY WORD?" His train of thought was that it was around or in the "thirties." This is my letter to answer his question.

Subject: When Liberal became a dirty word.
To: cptime@aol.com
My apologies for taking so long to respond to your article, but I
I'm not too swift with computers, but I do know the answer to your
(rhetorical?) question.

The time frame in which it became "a dirty word" varies with an
individual's moral and ethical principles and, of course, their
rational or emotional orientation toward the shenanigans put forth by
the politicians.

Historically, as you suggested, a "liberal" was respected for
supporting the individual versus the majesty of the state.

It was @ the turn of the century (1900) that the Fabians were trying
to sell their grandiose schemes of power to the working class in
England. The Fabians were a group of brilliant people, but they were
failing abyssmally, It was Beatrice Webb who suggested that they
apply the term "Liberal" to all of their socialist programs. She also
(in essence) said they should forget the working man, but indoctrinate
the scions of wealth. (Sydney and Beatrice Webb were the founders of
the London School of Economics, from which the socialist message
continues to be spread.) Beatrice was absolutely brilliant in her
analysis as is evidenced by the spread of the pernicious doctrine. At
least G. B. Shaw was intelligent enough to understand the fallacies,
but it wasn't until he was an old man that he recanted his belief in
and support of the Fabians

I believe it was in 1910 that John Dewey spent a sabbatical at the
London School of Economics and on his return, founded the Cambridge
Club at Harvard where they still indoctrinate the scions of wealth in
the means to power by conning the masses. The scions of wealth,
generally speaking, are not the ones who are capable of creating
wealth. ( Consider Paris Hilton and Teddy Kennedy) Socialism gives them
a means to achieve power which they could never achieve on their own merits.
Actually Paris Hilton is a far less dangerous example than Teddy, but that is
probably why she didn't go to Harvard.

No Question about it...They were absolutely brilliant....their
logo....The Mailed Fist in the Velvet Glove. They, like their current
reincarnations, were (are) no friend of the working man!