Fear and Loathing at DailyKos

[JBG]

DailyKos is fast showing that it is indeed very illiberal when it comes to a great American freedom, freedom of speech.
I posted a diary substantially identical to this thread (link) (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=125584&st=0) (link to DailyKos version) (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/31/233547/914) on the installation of Muslim footbaths at University of Michigan, and a few other diaries, including my Primer on Muslim Anger Towards West (link, RN version gone) (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/2/232516/7225). I was banned after both of them were posted. Oops, I forgot this one on Al Gore's daughter and endangered fish (link) (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/18/21153/2254). In the latter, here are some of the comments:

... one of them praising the traitor Thomas "Amnesty, Abortion and Acid" Eagleton. Yeah, JBG is pure troll (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/7/18/21153/2254/?pid=1#c91);
It's just a weak hit piece, by Organic America; and even though it was shown (further down the threads) to be factually wrong - the concept of trashing Gore and Suzuki - if they do from time to time not manage to get every element of their life in perfect environmental order - is a shallow and juvenile attack (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/7/18/21153/2254/?pid=1#c100);
Well now we know who JBG is... by - "Everybody doesn't like something But nobody doesn't like Sarah Lee." JBG clearly doesn't like Sarah Lee.... ergo.... (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/7/18/21153/2254/?pid=5#c17)It seems they are too thin-skinned over there for real debate. Or maybe my IQ is so low and they're operating so many levels above me that they don't need to.

Their comment about me on a thread called "The Invasion" (link) (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/2/183813/1969) is telling:

Quoting me,

"Cultural diversity (0+ / 2-)
Cultural diversity implies playing a role in society that the majority can tolerate, not setting yourself apart. by JBG ",

the comment then is:


You see boy? You do like we tell you. You be happy we Christianists allow you to have your little Kwanzaa.

I mean it’s obvious these are not forays into understanding us better. These are angry desperate wingnuts bored of their tiny and quite pathetic echo chambers wandering over here to get their asses handed back to them in a real fight.

I think that this is ultimately a great thing that is happening. Their tiny powerless corners of the blogosphere are being crushed by liberals.
Unhappy and bored, a gut full of anger, al this tends to make one quite peripatetic. So they come over here and try not to engage us, but to convince us that their disastrous ideas are actually working.

[DoctorDoom]

Nothing else can be expected from those braindead lefties at KookeryOnSteroids. The asswipes are incapable of actual debate because they are incapable of actual thought. They react and feel. It's all they can do.

But since no one other than their fellows loonies actually visits that sewer below the Info Highway, who cares what they feel?

[BuckeyeMike]

Oh...I do....I reeaaaally care....and I feel gooood about it!

[JBG]

Nothing else can be expected from those braindead lefties at KookeryOnSteroids. The asswipes are incapable of actual debate because they are incapable of actual thought. They react and feel. It's all they can do.

But since no one other than their fellows loonies actually visits that sewer below the Info Highway, who cares what they feel?I care. Here's why. It would be more stimulating to be able to go to left and right wing forums to debate. Listening to a mob howl does not educate.

I am not a conservative, but I have learned a lot from conservative forums. How much would I "learn" from the kind of activity I described at www.dailykos.com (http://www.dailykos.com) at the head of this thread?

[bannerman]

Cults frown on thought.

those pukes are cyber cultists.

rigid adherence to cult protocol is expected from all who would "socialize" with cult members.

anthropomorhizing such creatures is understandable but ill advised.

yes. malcontent has morphed these formerly naive undifferentiated CHILDREN into something not quite human.

they are Eric Hoffers TRUE BELIEVERS .

[TeenageRepublican]

Well, in my opinion, they're not "Christianites". I don't know if you're jewish or not, but that's a very prejudicial thing to say regardless. These guys are the type that think Right-Wingers are evil and are planning to take over the Government. Just ignore them. :biggrin:

[DoctorDoom]

One wonders if those sniveling pukes would dare to venture out of their leftist group grope and into the real world, and to "get their (candy) asses handed back to them in a real fight."

[JBG]

Well, in my opinion, they're not "Christianites". I don't know if you're jewish or not, but that's a very prejudicial thing to say regardless.
I happen to be Jewish. Is that a problem?

[DoctorDoom]

Not here.

[The_Elucidator]

I care. Here's why. It would be more stimulating to be able to go to left and right wing forums to debate. Listening to a mob howl does not educate.

I am not a conservative, but I have learned a lot from conservative forums. How much would I "learn" from the kind of activity I described at www.dailykos.com (http://www.dailykos.com) at the head of this thread?

There are many lessons to be learned about politics but if you are hoping to get "educated" from a political forum using debate; then you are fishing for swordfish in a swamp.

First lesson about political debate... Who is more likely to "allow" you to debate opposing viewpoints on the web site without a 1 post ban? First clue!

Second and most important is the fact that you can't just "Google" a subject and expect to get educated on it. You will find that many folks on conservative boards will give you ideas about books to read that will help educate you on the different areas of politics. On lib forums you get "talking" points - take em or leave em. Second clue!

Third lesson - Look to see where the anger is directed. On conservative forums it is directed at individual people who are trying to bring down the morality of the country or erode the sovereignty of this country... Note the lack of GW homers on this board. Liberals anger is just directed at conservatives in general, especially Christian conservatives. Third clue!

What I am saying is that being a liberal only requires emotion and talking points, being a conservative requires that you educate yourself! Being a political savvy person can't happen by debating ideas or talking points it comes by educating yourself.

[DoctorDoom]

First lesson about political debate... Who is more likely to "allow" you to debate opposing viewpoints on the web site without a 1 post ban? First clue!From the DemonRAT Underground site:

Who is Welcome on Democratic Underground, and Who is Not

Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.How We Enforce The Discussion Forum Rules (http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html)

That's a classic example of how libeRATs "debate". They don't. They just silence their opponents.

DemonRATs Unhinged is of course free to set whatever policies it sees fit, but that makes crystal clear that its members are immature, ignorant and incompetent, and they must therefore be shielded from actual debate with those naughty conservatives by Der Führskinner and his groupies.

With huge apologies to Spike Jones, here's the DU's official theme song.

When der Skinner makes us pay to use his place
We heil heil right in der Skinner's face
Not to pay to post here is a great disgrace
So we heil heil right in der Skinner's face

When herr birdman proves his head is full of space
We heil heil right in herr birdman's face
When herr birdman says they'll never hack dis place
We heil heil right in herr birdman's face

Are we not the clueless men
Absolutely clueless men
Ja we are the clueless men
Super stupid clueless men

Is this crappy board so good
Would you close it if you could
Ja this crappy board is good
We would close it if we could

We bore the Web to torpor
Heil Skinner's world of torpor
Everyone not of this place
Will kiss der Skinner's... face
When we bore to the Web to torpor

Heil Führskinner!

Does DUh advertize on the Net for losers, or do they gravitate to that pathetic excuse for a BB like flies to rotting roadkill?

[JBG]

I was banned at DU after posting, right after the 2004 election (in response to suicidal posts) "Bush won, Kerry lost, on to next battle".

[Alex]

What I am saying is that being a liberal only requires emotion and talking points, being a conservative requires that you educate yourself! Being a political savvy person can't happen by debating ideas or talking points it comes by educating yourself.

A conservative must needs be wiser and better informed than the liberals who seem to have assumed the high ground on practically every important political and social issue.

I think people of a conservative disposition are fighting a rearguard action - at least over here in Britain. They seem almost bound to lose because (as Orwell noted) at any given moment there is an orthodoxy of ideas which it is assumed all "right-thinking" people will accept without question.

Dissenters from the liberal consensus in certain occupations - like teacher, civil servant, the police, media employees, etc. - risk becoming social pariahs. (I know this from personal experience.)

Alex.

[mateusrosé]

The sad thing about this is that the left have the net all wrapped up. IMO, there are no conservative/libertarian blog sites as popular as Kos (or even HuffingtonPost). Which is probably why the left wants to relieve us of what we do have under our belts--talk radio. :question:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Yeah, they have the net. :rolleyes: That's why the Right, thanks to the conservative blogosphere, put a stop to Dan Rathergate, the Reuters Fauxtography scandal, the fake soldier fiasco, etc.

The Right IS using the net, we are working the web. I recommend:

Hot Air » Blog Archive » TNR: Army has silenced Beauchamp; Army: No, we haven’t (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/11/tnr-army-has-silenced-beauchamp-army-no-we-havent/)

little green footballs: who needs oil? we ride the bus! (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/)

zombietime (http://zombietime.com/)

DRUDGE REPORT 2007® (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

And I'm sure others will be happy to provide more.

[DoctorDoom]

Any alleged influence that the liberaloser sites and blogs have is a product of DBM spin. Go into any city, stop 100 people on the street, and ask, "Have you ever heard of the DailyKOS or the Huffington Post?" If even a couple of them knoiw what they are, it would be amazing. Their reputations are as phony as their politics.

Outside of the Web subculture, they're non-entities.

[JBG]

Any alleged influence that the liberaloser sites and blogs have is a product of DBM spin. Go into any city, stop 100 people on the street, and ask, "Have you ever heard of the DailyKOS or the Huffington Post?" If even a couple of them knoiw what they are, it would be amazing. Their reputations are as phony as their politics.

Outside of the Web subculture, they're non-entities.I'm afraid freeconservatives isn't a household word either. Nor is even freerepublic.

[DesertFox]

The commiesimps at DailyKos owe no one freedom of speech on their private board.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I'm afraid freeconservatives isn't a household word either.

Did we claim to be?

[DoctorDoom]

I'm afraid freeconservatives isn't a household word either. Nor is even freerepublic.We never claimed to be one. But we don't have fawning liberal media groupies liplocked on our asses and trying to make us what we are not.

[DesertFox]

I'm afraid freeconservatives isn't a household word either.But if it's them or us, I choose us.

[DoctorDoom]

The commiesimps at DailyKos owe no one freedom of speech on their private board.Nor do we, but unlike liberal boards, we do allow opposing viewpoints without instant bans. Ergo, we conservatives honor the freedom of speech that the liberals claim to cherish but shit on if it means allowing a non-approved PoV.

[JBG]

Did we claim to be?I was responding to:

Any alleged influence that the liberaloser sites and blogs have is a product of DBM spin. Go into any city, stop 100 people on the street, and ask, "Have you ever heard of the DailyKOS or the Huffington Post?" If even a couple of them knoiw what they are, it would be amazing. Their reputations are as phony as their politics.

Outside of the Web subculture, they're non-entities.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I was responding to:

And I was responding to you, :smirky:

[TeenageRepublican]

I happen to be Jewish. Is that a problem?

No, it's not a problem. My Great-Grandparents were Messianic Jews. So, I know very much about the Jewish culture. I was just saying that they shouldn't be addressing you like that, it was a very prejudicial thing to say against you. It was not my intention to, if I did, offend you.

[DoctorDoom]

I was responding to: (quote from me)And we were responding to:

I'm afraid freeconservatives isn't a household word either.That claim was never made by FC or any of its members. The topic was DailyKOS and its egregiously overinflated reputation amongst libeRATs when it is in fact nothing but one of dozens of America-loathing, Bush-bashing leftist blogs in the ultrawacko fringe of the RAT party.

BTW, the term is FreeConservatives. Note the capital letters.

[Lazarus]

What the hell is a "Christianite" anyway?:question:

Is "Christian" too out-moded that we need a new buzz word for them to show their hatred and bitterness for Christianity? What comes next after they have worn out Christianite - Christianitists? Christianistas?

:shake:

[DesertFox]

The element Christianite resulted from the blowup of the planet Christian in a far-off galaxy -- wait, wrong narrative.

[Lazarus]

:roar::rotflmbo::thumb: I bet it saps the strength from Godless Lefties too...

[DoctorDoom]

Is "Christian" too out-moded ...Nope. It's too respectful.