This is where I got pissed off...

[TeenageRepublican]

Okay, before I start this thread, I want to make one thing clear, I am not a Liberal. I am still Conservative, just like all of you on this site (excluding those who have tried to get away with Liberal Vandalism, and Trolling).

I was a great supporter of Bush, I stuck up for him in debates, I was on his side all of the time, but then he got that Amnesty bill. This is where I lost faith in Bush, I was pissed that a man, from the Republican party, would be this Liberal with Immigration.
I'm still for the war, and I'm still for Conservative values. Bush needs to just think about what kind of war we're in. Normally, I think Presidents would close the borders and try some other way to get illegals, if they were involved in a war on terror.
Now, terrorists can walk into the country with a nuke and go anywhere he wants. I'm not one of those "I hate Bush" type of people, I'm one of those ashamed people that think "Why are you doing this?" Bush needs to do something better about the borders, if he doesn't, we could have a nuclear 9/11 on our hands in the next twenty years.
Are there any other Conservatives who agree with me on this? I want to know if I'm a lone ranger or not.

[Kathy30]

I agree with you. I was horribly angry that Bush took this course of action. What's worse, it is based not on what's best for the American people, but his infantile loyalty to a hispanic nanny he had while growing up. He's so fixated on that nanny that he can't see the wholesale destruction done by the latinization of the American landscape.

[TeenageRepublican]

I agree with you. I was horribly angry that Bush took this course of action. What's worse, it is based not on what's best for the American people, but his infantile loyalty to a hispanic nanny he had while growing up. He's so fixated on that nanny that he can't see the wholesale destruction done by the latinization of the American landscape.

Really? So Bush is emotionally attached to nanny he had? Do you have any articles or links I can see? This would explain it, but I need to know the whole story.

[Wolfcounsel]

It is no secret that Bush is sucking up to Mexico. He needs an awakening. And believe it or not, there are people who doubt that terrorists are sneaking into America through the southern border.

Keep your weapons and ammunition clean and functioning.

[dPrasse]

Just reading my Trucking Industry magazine ...

A 1 yr trial effort of open borders for Mexican trucks into this country is being put into operation .... many more drivers that can't read or speak English driving trucks not up to snuff on US highways ...

rah rah rah

[Rhino]

Are there any other Conservatives who agree with me on this? I want to know if I'm a lone ranger or not.You need to read the other threads in this forum. You are far from alone.

[CONSERVATIVE HERO]

I lost faith in him years ago, when I looked up from my burger at the ski lodge and saw him on TV selling my country to Mexico for votes, sh*tting all over his constituency in the delusional hopes of recruiting a demographic that will never be dedicated Republican/Conservative supporters.

These people come here looking for handouts, and as such they will always end up overwhelmingly falling in line to vote democrat for one reason in particular... The democrats will always be willing to give them more free sh*t than the Pubs. Period. Bush and the rest of his rino traitors can't seem to get that through their head. Bush and the Pubs who've done this are clueless, because these people really won't remember or care who opens the door (Bush) to the money vending machine (democrats), keeping the check coming in will be priority #1 (dem voter for life).

Maybe you folks haven't noticed this yet, but this immigration issue (along with others) isn't a mere political disagreement, it's an outright f*cking coup d'état being perpetrated. We have elected officials not only refusing to represent their voters and keep their oaths of office, they're literally ignoring them to break the law and facilitate the conversion process. Our government is teetering on the edge of being wholly subverted by outright marxists, their lapdog stooges, and the spineless rino cowards (who reading the tea leaves as defeat for them and America are) doing little to nothing to stop it in the hope it will save their own asses when the new order is fully implemented.

The few elected officials with any sincere intent of restoring America to it's true disposition have been marginalized and ostracized to the point of near irrelevancy by a Washington that's been almost completely subverted by the marxist left. And a people made utterly ignorant by the left's indoctrination camps for their entire education period of life can't tell their elbows from their assholes and have no chance of stopping it. Fight it? The dumbed down masses can't even percieve the politcal noose being placed around their neck much less work to loosen the knot.

The marxists know conservative America is dying off and drastically dwindling in numbers. They know this, and the mexican colonizing army openly states they have an agenda of having as many kids as possible (which YOU will pay for), specifically for the purpose of breeding us into submission politically. They will keep pushing this legislation over, and over, and over, and over, until they've had enough children and ran enough relatives across the border to pass it, period. And Americans will continue to do nothing but b*tch, not have enough babies to sustain our population and culture, and use clearly non-working solutions (like threatening not to vote for certain senators) until we're all hanged.

[The_Elucidator]

Great point Conservative Hero! Quit staying away so long in between posts :thumb:

[Franko]

Anyone ever look into the Constitution Party? I've become more interested in them as the line has blurred between Repubs and Demos

[Maggie_T]

Great point Conservative Hero! Quit staying away so long in between posts :thumb:


Hear, hear. :claps:

the following is particularly true ... and disturbing. :(


Fight it? The dumbed down masses can't even percieve the politcal noose being placed around their neck much less work to loosen the knot.

The marxists know conservative America is dying off and drastically dwindling in numbers.

[omegatrump]

I'm with you on the Constitution party Franko. The rats and goons both have the same agenda, and that agenda is not what's best for America. They are a tag team, and they wrestle against the American Constitution and it's people. Right now the Republigoons are fixing to tag the Demorats for the next round.

Teenage Republican, you are more astute than many of the so called seasoned troops. Don't let them feed you their rediculous tripe. Don't let them turn you into a vote by party moron. Keep digging, keep thinking. Stay alert it's going to get interesting.

[omegatrump]

Just reading my Trucking Industry magazine ...

A 1 yr trial effort of open borders for Mexican trucks into this country is being put into operation .... many more drivers that can't read or speak English driving trucks not up to snuff on US highways ...

rah rah rah

Exceptionally bad plan on the part of the king. We cannot opperate freely in Mexico. I have driven a Semi the full length of Mexico, under a strict bond and route. That was 26 years ago. Drove it down then drove it back. We had a strict route and fixed exit point. We hauled our own material and were not for hire. But I know Americas truckers will not be allowed to operate in Mexico any where near what the shrub wants for the US.

[Beowulf]

Are there any other Conservatives who agree with me on this? I want to know if I'm a lone ranger or not.

I too stand with you, Teen, but like Conservative Hero, my faith was lost awhile back. We fight a war on terror yet the administration pledges $50 million to help re-settle Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.....AND WE ALL KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY WENT TOWARDS!:flame:

He grossly miscalculated the Medicaid bill as well. It was a nice idea but it went way over budget.

Anyone ever look into the Constitution Party? I've become more interested in them as the line has blurred between Repubs and Demos
Yes, Franko, I have and I like the party base. They are much more Conservative than the current crop of GOP's. Sadly, too many here would rather "consider the alternative" and try to keep the same treasonous RINOS in office.

[TeenageRepublican]

I too stand with you, Teen, but like Conservative Hero, my faith was lost awhile back. We fight a war on terror yet the administration pledges $50 million to help re-settle Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.....AND WE ALL KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY WENT TOWARDS!:flame:

He grossly miscalculated the Medicaid bill as well. It was a nice idea but it went way over budget.


Yes, Franko, I have and I like the party base. They are much more Conservative than the current crop of GOP's. Sadly, too many here would rather "consider the alternative" and try to keep the same treasonous RINOS in office.

I wouldn't even consider Bush a rino, he's more like a, I don't know, donkey-rino mixed. Sorry, that's the best I could come up with.

[Rhino]

A Ronkey?

Maybe RINOnkey.

[Kathy30]

Really? So Bush is emotionally attached to nanny he had? Do you have any articles or links I can see? This would explain it, but I need to know the whole story.

I don't know if there are any articles on it. I'll look around, but he said it in a speech when he was trying to push his amnesty proposals on us.

[LadyHawke]

I was a serious Bush supporter until it became apparent that he's more interested in taking care of the Mexican people than in serving the American people who elected him. What tripped my trigger was when he raced to Mexico to publicly assure newly-elected President Calderon - and the Mexican people - that he would "see to it" that America treated the Mexican people right. And shortly thereafter, the infamous "Comprehensive Open Borders Bill" was introduced - and the persecution of our Border Agents and Law Enforcement personnel began.

As a friend once said, it makes me so mad, I could bite myself!

I've heard all manner of "explanations" for what GWB is doing about illegal immigration and border security - and for me, those dogs won't hunt. As a result, I can't trust him anymore. I want to - but I can't. If he looks, walks, talks and acts like a Globalist, One-Worlder, then he probably is - and that makes him a threat to our national Sovereignty.

So, welcome to the Club, TeenRepublican! No need to feel like the Lone Stranger.

[Rhino]

I don't know if there are any articles on it. I'll look around, but he said it in a speech when he was trying to push his amnesty proposals on us.I find no reference to any such speech. The only reference I can find to a nanny at all was a hit piece on a satire web site about torture. Methinks this is just another urban legend.

[oldcoastie]

TeenageRepublican, I agree with you, except for your timetable.

I believe that 20 years is far too long a period to pass before something very bad happens.

[TheUndertaker]

I'm with you on the Constitution party Franko.

I'm surprised there is so much support for the Constitution party to be honest on this forum. Ron Paul gets heavily criticized for his stance on the War but it seems like the Constitutional Party gets a free pass.

"America is engaged in an undeclared war with an ill-defined enemy (terrorism), a war which threatens to be never ending, and which is being used to vastly expand government power, particularly that of the executive branch, at the expense of the individual liberties of the American people."

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Terrorism%20and%20Personal%20Li berty

[Wolfcounsel]

"Teenage Republican, you are more astute than many of the so called seasoned troops. Don't let them feed you their rediculous tripe. Don't let them turn you into a vote by party moron." --omegatrump

So far I see an elephant, a jackass, and maybe a teeny vapor of a fart running in the Presidential race. Oh! What to vote for!:evilgrin:

I don't think the Demos are going to waste their votes on the fart.

[Maggie_T]

I'm surprised there is so much support for the Constitution party to be honest on this forum. Ron Paul gets heavily criticized for his stance on the War but it seems like the Constitutional Party gets a free pass.

"America is engaged in an undeclared war with an ill-defined enemy (terrorism), a war which threatens to be never ending, and which is being used to vastly expand government power, particularly that of the executive branch, at the expense of the individual liberties of the American people."--TheUndertaker


Undertaker, funny you should say that.

Just days before I left Maine, I co-hosted my last radio talk show. Our guest was Jerome Corsi, Ph.D., co-author of Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. We invited him because we found out he is considering running for president in 2008 (See here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi#Presidential_candidacy). Corsi also co-authored Minutemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_Project): The Battle to Secure America's Borders, with Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen. He graciously autographed a copy it for Jim and me. :)

Anyway, we asked him ... make that, we bombarded him with questions ranging from taxes, education, borders (of course), religion, up to the WoT. And that's where we locked horns.

Until then, we had more than coincided on everything. But when it came to fighting terrorism, my heart sank. The problem is basically that he (or maybe I should say, the constitution party) wants to go strictly by the book. Or rather, by the Constitution. Which means that before he fights anyone, he wants to get permission from CONgress.

I told him that I had no problem with that as long as Republicans had a majority in CONgress, and we had a conservative administration. However, I said, in the present case, CONgress is in the hands of liberals. I asked him what were the odds of him (in the case he was elected president) getting demunists like Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, etc., to agree to go to war, if necessary? In short, how did he expect to fight terrorism and protect America if he depended on getting the green light from anti-American, politically-correct, multiculturalist traitors and appeasers as we have in CONgress now (yes, I got sternly reprimanded by the talk show host for saying that; not because he disagreed with me, you understand, but rather because he was afraid of "repercussions")?

He hemmed and hawed, wrigled in his chair, but basically kept going back to "doing it by the book." I kept going back to the fact that liberals DO NOT want to fight terrorism. I told him that if there was another 9/11 (God forbid), it would be 100 geological years before liberals in CONgress did much more than micromanage everything, hem and haw, and appease and apologize to the enemy. I remember I was quite relentless on the subject for the best part of the hour he was in the studio.

And just so that you don't think I was the only one, all the people that called in (all of them conservatives, very pissed off at Republicans) said that they would vote for the CP in a heartbeat if it wasn't for their stand on fighting terrorism.

We parted amicably, of course, and Dr. Corsi promised me that he "would do everything to protect the country and fight the enemy."

Don't get me wrong, Dr. Corsi is a perfectly charming individual, and I LOVE 99% of his views.

But I just wanted to share that with you.

[Lazarus]

If Bush had proposed the Amnesty bill, and then backed down after having seen the overwhelming negative response by the people, I would still be in his corner... But he didnt do that...

In the face of the most overwhelming uprising from common citizens I have seen in my lifetime, he and his lapdogs in the Senate tried desperately to force this down our throats... He showed me his true colors - Which is to say he's an internationalist like his Dad only with an unnatural obssession for Mexicans...

If he loves Mexicans so much then he should hire some LEGAL Mexican servants and grounds-keepers for his place in Crawford when he leaves office - He can swim in them, sleep with them, and eat them for all I care...

But this is a Constitutional Republic - Not a Monarchy... Nor is it a repressive oligarchy like the Soviet Union - A point that needs to be driven home to the likes of McCain, Kennedy, and Specter...

We started this nation by breaking away from King George of England - Now we have King George of America... Before this is over I fear we are gonna have to rub his nose in the constitution just like the English Barrons had to do with King John over Magna Carta...

Im finished with Bush... I doubt he could sell me hotdog now - And I love hotdogs... When he leaves office I hope he'll come by my house on his way home to Texas... I have pulled a knife out of my back that belongs to him...:flame:

[CONSERVATIVE HERO]

Anyone ever look into the Constitution Party? I've become more interested in them as the line has blurred between Repubs and Demos
They sent me a letter a while back asking me if I could be their representative or something in this region. I've been busy and never replied yet.

[TeenageRepublican]

Im finished with Bush... I doubt he could sell me hotdog now - And I love hotdogs... When he leaves office I hope he'll come by my house on his way home to Texas... I have pulled a knife out of my back that belongs to him...:flame:

and I'll help:thumb:

[Coleridge]

This, I have in common with you colleague TeenageRepublican. It is the core reason why I recently left the Republican Party and joined my beloved Constitution Party. Regarding the Conservative Movement, Bush has been an incredible dissapointment, putting his NeoCon Agenda above the party's conservative principles. I do not admire or respect Bush anymore. He's not a total liar like others but he lied about this very important thing...He told us he was to be the defender and preserver of America. With this issue, he has taken the office of an agent of the destruction of America. He's no conservative but a phony...A greedy, uncaring, phony. I let him slip on the Dubai Ports deal because it was after all not signed under him but this is HUGE. My fellow Conservatives, I tell you this. If these leaching slime are allowed to seek permanent residence in America, America will be finished as we know it. This is the biggest most important issue of our time and if the Hispanics aren't thrown out, it's the beginning of the end. America's already in decline but this will ruin America, I kid you not. Call your senators and Reps next year. Sign petitions, get the word out. If these scum are given amnesty, it's either concede America's demise or begin the organizing of Militias. I don't want to sound radical or nuts but the situation is that bad and this issue is that important.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I don't want to sound radical or nuts . . .

You already have, as well as sounding racist, and it's wearing QUITE thin. http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/icon8.gif

[Wolfcounsel]

"This is the biggest most important issue of our time and if the Hispanics aren't thrown out, it's the beginning of the end." --Coleridge

What Hispanics are you talking about, who need to get thrown out, Coleridge?

[ThomasMore]

My fellow Conservatives, I tell you this. If these leaching slime are allowed to seek permanent residence in America, America will be finished as we know it. This is the biggest most important issue of our time and if the Hispanics aren't thrown out, it's the beginning of the end. America's already in decline but this will ruin America, I kid you not. Call your senators and Reps next year. Sign petitions, get the word out. If these scum are given amnesty, it's either concede America's demise or begin the organizing of Militias. I don't want to sound radical or nuts but the situation is that bad and this issue is that important.

For the record, Coleridge, a number of the posters on this board are black, or Hispanic, or Asian, or Catholic, or Jewish.

I think I speak for the vast majority of us when I say that we care about our liberties and the nature of our government. We don't even consider the color of one's skin or who one's parents are.

If you equate conservatism with skin color, you have a strange definition of conservatism.

[TeenageRepublican]

For the record, Coleridge, a number of the posters on this board are black, or Hispanic, or Asian, or Catholic, or Jewish.

I think I speak for the vast majority of us when I say that we care about our liberties and the nature of our government. We don't even consider the color of one's skin or who one's parents are.

If you equate conservatism with skin color, you have a strange definition of conservatism.

Jeez, for a while there Colridge seemed pretty conservative, until he messed with Rino. How'd he turn into, well, whatever he is? Has this happened before?

[ThomasMore]

TR, Coleridge has some conservative ideas. But the apparent racism was there from the beginning. Read his posts. You will find signs of it in many of them.

[Timberwolf]

I'm wondering if English is his second language...I'm gonna cut him some slack and say I think he's referring to illegal hispanics...at least he BETTER be.

[ThomasMore]

TW, I never got the impression that his problem was limited to illegals.

He went off on a tear against interracial marriage, and other posts suggested to me that he has a problem with anyone who is not White, Anglo-Saxon.

In addition to myself, Homes, Maggie and Rhino began to have concerns that he was an outright racist.

I could still be mistaken, but it was looking more and more that way to me, and not just to me.

[Beowulf]

I'm with you, Thomas. I am becoming quite bothered by Coleridge being a racist. He used the term WASP in the shout box, seems to berate African Americans and groups Hispanics as a whole. He would have been banned at my game forum already for that alone.

[Rhino]

Well, since he has apparently irritated just about everybody, he seems incapable of understanding that he doesn't fit in, and since I guess I have had enough fun with him, he is now gone.

Gee, I'm really gonna miss him.

[Rhino]

Jeez, for a while there Colridge seemed pretty conservative, until he messed with Rino. How'd he turn into, well, whatever he is? Has this happened before?Yes, it has. Some folks come here who are generally conservative, but also have some rather radical viewpoints that are decidedly not. Or they simply have a personality defect of some sort that causes them to be unable to resist being a total ass. Sometimes they display this from the outset, but they may also avoid the controversial stuff at first. We have been forced to ban some members we really would have preferred not to, because their other posts were quite good, but they still refused to tone down the objectionable stuff. It's a shame, but it happens.

[Maggie_T]

"This is the biggest most important issue of our time and if the Hispanics aren't thrown out, it's the beginning of the end." --Coleridge

What Hispanics are you talking about, who need to get thrown out, Coleridge?


The Counselor beat me to it. And after we kick Hispanics out, who's next? Blacks? Asians? Jews?

Anyway, Coleridge is gone, so it doesn't matter.

I'll tell you one thing. If Coleridge is not a raving supremacist, he certainly makes a convincing imitation of one. :rolleyes:

[Wolfcounsel]

"I'll tell you one thing. If Coleridge is not a raving supremacist, he certainly makes a convincing imitation of one. :rolleyes:" --Maggie_T

I'd call him a raving monkey, but he's gone, so I'll head for the zoo.:evilgrin:<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Franko]

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

An old veteran called into a talk radio show last year, discussing WWII. He was stationed in Germany at the end of the war. American GIs were going from town to town mopping up resistance. They entered a village and a sniper picked off a couple GIs. The Americans pulled back, shelled the town for 24 hrs. and then came back. The people living in the town handed over the sniper to the GIs.

That type of diplomacy works, and that's what we should be doing in Iraq. I'm not willing to risk the life of any American son or daughter to go over there as some kind of UN negotiator, or to stand around and be shot at, or be road-side bombed. The US should kick ass or get out. The Iraqis should see things our way or they won't see anything.

I don't believe the religion of that area of the middle east is compatible with freedom.

- - -

Illegal aliens are illegal, no matter what race. They broke the law; deport 'em.

[Rhino]

Religions. Plural. I don't believe they're compatible with stability, and I've said that all along. That place has been a powder keg ever since the Brits forced three incompatible states/religions into one nation. I think the only chance of lasting stability would be to let them go their own ways. Of course, that's not a perfect solution, since Turkey has vowed to invade if we do that.

[Wolfcounsel]

I say we let Turkey invade. Those monkeys need their asses royally kicked.

[Franko]

Ya, let's pull out entirely. Then several middle eastern nations will get together and try to obliterate Israel, and Israel will kick their butts, including using nuclear weapons.

That olde Lyon England could not foresee what powderkeg it had created, or could it?

[ThomasMore]

I say we let Turkey invade. Those monkeys need their asses royally kicked.

Turkey is concerned about Iraqi Kurds inciting Turkish Kurds to separatism. The Kurds have been a restless minority in Turkey, and the Turks have oppressed them.

If I have my politics right, the Kurds haven't been a problem in Iraq. Turkey would invade to take out one of the few stabilizers in that country.

[Rhino]

The Kurds have always had a resistance. Saddam oppressed them too. He even used WMD on them, long before the Iran-Iraq war. They were a powerful supporter of our invasion in the north. In fact, after Turkey balked at ground troops, the Kurds became the hosts for our ground troops in northern Iraq, and did a stellar job, all without any military or organized infrastructure. That dedication, resilience and cohesiveness is what the Turks fear.

[ThomasMore]

Sorry, I should have been clearer -- I meant postwar Iraq. Saddam was no friend of theirs, and I am sure that he responded to their resistance to them.

I am curious how the Kurds in NW Iran get along with the Iranian government, and how they integrate with Persian culture.

[CTConservative]

Okay, before I start this thread, I want to make one thing clear, I am not a Liberal. I am still Conservative, just like all of you on this site (excluding those who have tried to get away with Liberal Vandalism, and Trolling).

I was a great supporter of Bush, I stuck up for him in debates, I was on his side all of the time, but then he got that Amnesty bill. This is where I lost faith in Bush, I was pissed that a man, from the Republican party, would be this Liberal with Immigration.
I'm still for the war, and I'm still for Conservative values. Bush needs to just think about what kind of war we're in. Normally, I think Presidents would close the borders and try some other way to get illegals, if they were involved in a war on terror.
Now, terrorists can walk into the country with a nuke and go anywhere he wants. I'm not one of those "I hate Bush" type of people, I'm one of those ashamed people that think "Why are you doing this?" Bush needs to do something better about the borders, if he doesn't, we could have a nuclear 9/11 on our hands in the next twenty years.
Are there any other Conservatives who agree with me on this? I want to know if I'm a lone ranger or not.

I wouldn't defend yourself so hard about not being a "Bush Hater". This issue has a lot of conservatives fuming. I think the greatest thing a conservative has over a liberal is being able to think for themselves even if it means disagreeing or being angered at their leadership. A lib would just follow along with anything their president said....so in effect, by disagreeing over ths issue you show your capacity for independent thought....i.e. you show you're a conservative.

[Pendragon_6]

Keep your weapons and ammunition clean and functioning.



Civil war's a-comin".:evilgrin:

[TeenageRepublican]

Civil war's a-comin".:evilgrin:

Inevitably, yes, if things don't turn around.