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Rocketman

08-07-2007, 10:22 PM

The_Elucidator

08-08-2007, 03:55 AM

Because there will be incoming!

Lazarus

08-08-2007, 10:03 AM

Well, maybe not... Based on Rocketman's pic he's apparently one of those young minds full of mush who thinks he has discovered amazing new insights that no one else has ever thought of... It would be cruel for mature members of this board to pick on such a young, undeveloped mind...

We need a Nursery Forum to park such threads in... Then after the poster grows up, they can go there and remember what a foolish youngun he was "way back then"...

Rocketman

08-08-2007, 10:08 AM

So you are willing to sit by and let the republic die....enjoy.

Naturalized-Texan

08-08-2007, 10:13 AM

So you are willing to sit by and let the republic die....enjoy.
Hell no! That's why those things you listed in your first post are absolutely necessary. Otherwise, our Republic certainly WILL die - a victim of international terrorism. It appears that is exactly what you want to happen.

Rocketman

08-08-2007, 10:19 AM

There are some members of this forum that are awake and alert on the wall, and have made it their personal responsibility to resist tyranny in any form, and it would appear sir, that you ain't it.

Naturalized-Texan

08-08-2007, 10:32 AM

There are some members of this forum that are awake and alert on the wall, and have made it their personal responsibility to resist tyranny in any form, and it would appear sir, that you ain't it.
So, I see that you are one of those hate-America lefties who want to endanger the lives of millions, if not tens of millions, of innocent Americans by surrendering to the terrorists in the War on Terror. Thanks for making your position waaaaaayyyyyy out there on the far-left fringe perfectly clear.

I suspect that your time here is nearing its end.

Lazarus

08-08-2007, 02:36 PM

Rocketman, Why did you post that list? Apparently you think we are a bunch of toothless rednecks who can be baited with a thinly veiled appeal to our love of Liberty... Your list is a typical leftist mantra with no substance behind it... You didnt even make a reasonable effort at trying to sell your point - You just came strutting thru the door chanting the mantra...

We have booted better lefty debaters than you... You'll have to do better than that...

For example - The Wiretapping Policy, which you have so glaringly labeled Illegal even though the Federal Courts have not stricken it down... What precisely do you find so onerous about it?

Etaoin

08-08-2007, 07:53 PM

So you are willing to sit by and let the republic die....enjoy.

Rocket, I figure the Republic died or was in its death throes in 1913 when we degenerated into a "Democracy." We are now approaching the tyranny of "democratic" Socialism! The Republic of our founders is long dead. As the founders understood and was well stated by Ben Franklyn when asked what the Convention had given us...he said "A Republic madam, if you can keep it!" Pandering Politicians finally destroyed it in 1913.

DesertFox

08-08-2007, 08:33 PM

*Sigh*

The America of the Founders was already dead by 1828, people.

TeenageRepublican

08-08-2007, 10:20 PM

Lazarus

08-09-2007, 09:48 AM

...As the founders understood and was well stated by Ben Franklyn when asked what the Convention had given us...he said "A Republic madam, if you can keep it!"...Now that is a beautiful statement made by one of a generation of great men, the likes of which may never see again... They handed us the great experiment - The experiment being, Does each generation have the poise and wisdom to maintain this most perfect of governments...

A Constitutional Republic requires courageous free men who value Liberty above security for it to remain alive... We are now infested with a generation of parasites all demanding "bread and circus"...

We have lasted only this long by the immeasurable grace of God - But there comes a time when God withdraws the blessings and reaches for the rod of iron... I fear we are rapidly approaching that limit...

P.S. I'm young (14), but no mush in the head!We'z proud of you, Teen... Stay here and fill your skull with the wisdom of the ages...;)

Rocketman

08-09-2007, 10:11 AM

Lol I am a toothed redneck. First, close the borders, then we can talk about intel, wiretaps and the like.

Naturalized-Texan

08-09-2007, 11:56 AM

Lol I am a toothed redneck.
Yeah! A redneck like Teddy Kennedy, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, Cindy Sheehan, John Murtha, et al.
First, close the borders, then we can talk about intel, wiretaps and the like.
If we don't do everything in our power to win the War on Terror, nothing else will matter because we will all be either dead or bowing down to Mecca. Of course, it appears that that is what you want.

Lazarus

08-09-2007, 11:59 AM

Certainly the borders need to be sealed... That is an issue that you will find almost unanimous support for on this board...

But how does a closed border somehow invest new virtues on the issue of wiretapping the terrorists?... The two issues are only vaguely associated because they both are involved in national security... The wiretap is still moral or immoral both before and after the border is closed... Will a sealed border suddenly cause you to wrap your arms around the issue of wiretapping?

They are wiretapping those who want to kill our citizens and bring down our nation... What is it about that concept that you disapprove of?

Naturalized-Texan

08-09-2007, 12:07 PM

Certainly the borders need to be sealed... That is an issue that you will find almost unanimous support for on this board... But how does a closed border somehow invest new virtues on the issue of wiretapping the terrorists?... The two issues are only vaguely associated because they both are involved in national security... The wiretap is still moral or immoral both before and after the border is closed...

They are wiretapping those who want to kill our citizens and bring down our nation... What is it about that concept that you disapprove of?
No one is wiretapping anyone. The technology being used by the terrorists is WAY beyond wiretapping. That is one of the necessary expansions included in the recently signed FISA law.

Lazarus

08-09-2007, 12:16 PM

No one is wiretapping anyone. The technology being used by the terrorists is WAY beyond wiretapping. That is one of the necessary expansions included in the recently signed FISA law.You and both know that, Tex... But I was trying to use elementary terms that the Rocket Scientist could understand... Im ever hopeful that the light of truth might break thru... Until then, I use his terms for the purpose of the debate...:biggrin:

Rhino

08-09-2007, 12:29 PM

Have you seen where all that stuff in the original post comes from? It's really good for a laugh if you're bored.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/index.html

Did you know we're using mind control? :rotflmbo:

Lazarus

08-09-2007, 12:40 PM

Now THAT explains a lot...

So tell us, Rocketman... Who are you leaning toward supporting for President in this next election? If you dont mind me asking...

Rhino

08-09-2007, 12:48 PM

Elvis?

Lazarus

08-09-2007, 01:12 PM

Yep... he's got a hunka hunka burnin love...:rotflmbo:

PaulRevere

08-09-2007, 02:24 PM

On another blog, a leftwing wackjob responded to my post with a tirade against "Bush's phony war on terrorism that he is using as an excuse to declare martial law and institute a fascist state."

It's alarming how many wackjobs are out there who happily buy this crap hook, line, and sinker. These nuts are more dangerous to us than the terrorists, IMO. They are useful idiots for the lefties who are pulling and pushing us into a neo-Marxist world.

Rocketman

08-09-2007, 09:59 PM

Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)

Naturalized-Texan

08-10-2007, 11:18 AM

Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)
I figured that you would be a supporter of that traitor. Lots of other lefty traitors are also supporting him. That lefty support - financially and in polls - is the ONLY way that he is still in the race. When the primaries start, the voters will shun him because of his treasonous failure to support our troops in a time of war - a war for which Ron Paul voted to declare on September 14, 2001.

Lazarus

08-10-2007, 11:44 AM

Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/)Well, we all have the freedom to make our individual choices... Thank you for your honesty - That gives me a better picture of who you are... And it explains the motivation behind your initial post:smirky:.... But be aware that those particular doctrines are not what you call enormously popular here...

If you are trying to convert us, your chances are slim... If you are only here to poke us with a pointy stick, then you are an engangered species soon to vanish...

dPrasse

08-10-2007, 11:50 AM

Did you know we're using mind control? :rotflmbo:

Explains why we all just love W here and never get into heated GOP discussions and we always agree with Rhino ... :lol:

Lazarus

08-10-2007, 11:55 AM

Dat eez rrrright! May I zee your paperz pleaze?:evilgrin:

Rhino

08-10-2007, 12:48 PM

Explains why we all just love W here and never get into heated GOP discussions and we always agree with Rhino ... :lol:LOL! That'll be the day!

Rocketman

08-10-2007, 01:57 PM

I shall now let the sleeping lie. Hey naturalized, get outta my state :P

Naturalized-Texan

08-10-2007, 02:38 PM

I shall now let the sleeping lie. Hey naturalized, get outta my state :P
:biggrin:
It's MY state now. We Texans love and appreciate patriots. Ron Paul is NOT a patriot because of his failure to support the troops in a time of war and because he advocates surrendering to the terrorists. Since you support Ron Paul, you need to get out of MY state and so does Ron Paul.

Naturalized-Texan

08-11-2007, 11:00 AM

http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoons/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon081007.gif

CTConservative

08-11-2007, 03:24 PM

Prison Planet | August 7, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson (http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/tyranny_timeline_recent_history_police_state_legis lation.htm)

The top ten advances towards tyranny in the United States during the tenure of the Bush administration, from the Patriot Act to the latest expansion of the illegal eavesdropping surveillance program.

1) The USA Patriot Act

2) Total Information Awareness

3) USA Patriot Act II

4) Military Commissions Act

5) John Warner Defense Authorization Act

6) Illegal Domestic Wiretapping Program

7) Expansion of Illegal Domestic Wiretapping Program

8) Martial Law Presidential Decision Directive 51

9) Destruction of the Dollar

10) Amnesty & The North American Union

Expansion/explanation at the link above or here. (http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/tyranny_timeline_recent_history_police_state_legis lation.htm)

A dictatorial state is what you lefties would love to have. Then I would have to bow to every "progressive" plan you implemented. How can someone speak of defending the republic, when their whole agenda is to destroy it and make what's left part of the "global community"?

You want to see evidence of a dictatorial state? Read up on the war the ACLU wages against me as a Christian in American court rooms every day. Freedom of religion was a freedom granted in founding the republic right?

Terrorists are not a nation like the old Soviet Union. We cannot easily spy on them, they slip through the cracks and they are VERY good at it. Anyone who thinks these people are just a bunch of idiots has NO idea what they are talking about. Some of the legislation you mention above is NECESSARY to wage war against organizations that have no borders. Quite frankly they can listen to my cellphone conversations ANY DAY...why? BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.

Go tell Osama how horrible this country is...just don't be surprised when they kill you for being an "infidel".

Naturalized-Texan

08-11-2007, 03:49 PM

CTConservative: :claps::claps::claps::claps::claps:

CTConservative

08-11-2007, 03:55 PM

CTConservative: :claps::claps::claps::claps::claps:

Thank you.

DesertFox

08-11-2007, 05:52 PM

Well, it's dumb to call people "Leftists" just because they don't agree with us on some things. Rocketman's no Leftist. But then, few here are, and most of those are hit-and-run whiners.

CTConservative

08-11-2007, 06:06 PM

Well, it's dumb to call people "Leftists" just because they don't agree with us on some things. Rocketman's no Leftist. But then, few here are, and most of those are hit-and-run whiners.

Sorry, the post itself seemed that way to me. But, I am new here....and I'll have a lot of reading to do in order to get everyone's views down.

DesertFox

08-11-2007, 06:35 PM

Not a problem, CT. Tex regularly calls people Lefties when they disagree with him. :D

Of course, often they really are Lefties.

buzzthepug!

08-11-2007, 06:39 PM

[quote=CTConservative;574306]

You want to see evidence of a dictatorial state? Read up on the war the ACLU wages against me as a Christian in American court rooms every day. Freedom of religion was a freedom granted in founding the republic right?

Quite frankly they can listen to my cellphone conversations ANY DAY...why? BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.
quote]

This is 100% correct. The ACLU is a sick, twisted, hateful organization that would rather save the AIDS virus than support Christian values.

I have nothing to hide. Go ahead, listen in on my calls.

CTConservative

08-11-2007, 06:47 PM

Not a problem, CT. Tex regularly calls people Lefties when they disagree with him. :D

Of course, often they really are Lefties.

Being from Connecticut with the political climate here, I am prone to jump the gun. lol

Naturalized-Texan

08-11-2007, 07:04 PM

Well, it's dumb to call people "Leftists" just because they don't agree with us on some things. Rocketman's no Leftist. But then, few here are, and most of those are hit-and-run whiners.
When one spouts leftist positions, then one must be a leftist. Since Rocketman spouted leftist positions he must be a leftist. The only way we have to determine a person's position on the issues are from his posts. I saw no indication from his posts that he is not a leftist.

DesertFox

08-11-2007, 07:10 PM

Rocketman used to be come here much more than he does now. He's pretty far to your Right, Tex. Also, far Rightists and Constitutional purists tend to sound a lot like Lefties when they simply say they're against this or that, without saying why.

Naturalized-Texan

08-11-2007, 07:29 PM

Well, he was spouting hate-America leftism in this thread. Since this thread is my only exposure to him, I have no other basis on which to judge. BTW, based on his posts in this thread, there is no way that he could be considered a Constitutional purist.

Seabee

08-11-2007, 07:43 PM

The top ten advances towards tyranny in the United States during the tenure of the Bush administration, from the Patriot Act to the latest expansion of the illegal eavesdropping surveillance program.

1) The USA Patriot Act (Never seen any indication or evidence of this Act interfering with my civil rights or privacy. Please lets see some evidence rather than mindless claims because you dont like the verbage of the Act.)

2) Total Information Awareness (Highly ambiguous term, lol, this has been going on since the inception of this country and you are now just catching on?)

3) USA Patriot Act II (See Post #1)

4) Military Commissions Act (Deals with alien unlawful enemy combatants,
not domestic.)

5) John Warner Defense Authorization Act (How is John Warner, a man who opposes everything that Bush does, an example of Bush' tyranny???Please field that one for me.)

6) Illegal Domestic Wiretapping Program (Hmmm, lets see admitting and debating this program is in exsistance doesnt sound like tyranny to me. Sounds like healthy debate, oh Bush is such a monster. That was sarcasm for you boneheads to thick to get it.)

7) Expansion of Illegal Domestic Wiretapping Program

8) Martial Law Presidential Decision Directive 51 (hmmmm, I suggest you take a nice look at history, this isnt the first of its kind nor the last. It is simply one that made it public.)

9) Destruction of the Dollar (Lmao, oh you mean the same destruction that has been going on with every President since Jimmah Carhta?)

10) Amnesty & The North American Union (Oh, you mean this mythical Unicorn, LMAO, how are Alex Jones and Arte Bell doing????)

Finally, Prison Planet isnt a really good source of information try www.IBELIEVEANYTHING.com (http://www.IBELIEVEANYTHING.com) :thumb: