My Friend is a Dumbass...

[TeenageRepublican]

Pierce, my supposed friend, is not only a Libtard, but he's a dumbass. He claims to be a better writer than me, yet, he hasn't proved it. Alright, so now on to the science.
Pierce says I'm going to die by the age 40, because I'm very tall for my age (6'4 14). He said that he read articles by newspapers that I'm going to die young. Yeah, right. Here are a couple links that say the opposite:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,937809,00.html
http://www.extratall.co.uk/news_do_talls_live_longer.htm
http://www.shortsupport.org/News/0537.html

Here's another claim he's making, ADHD doesn't exist, I have ADHD, and it does exist. I couldn't find any links, but it does exist, I know this for a fact.

Pierce also told me that I'm addicted to ADHD medication, but I'm not, I have to remind myself to take it everyday. He also said that it killed my personality, which isn't true, I'm still me. Here's the funny part, I heard on Rush that ADHD medication STUNTS growth. I don't if it's true or not, but who cares? Pierce just got caught in his own argument, what does he prefer, me dead, or me addicted to medication?
This is funny as hell, what do you think of Pierce? :rotflmbo:

[Lubbock]

Personally, I think you might be just a tad self-absorbed.

[Eagle1]

I think adhd is just kids being kids.

The meds are an excuse to not actually teach them how to behave.

You go ahead and write your stories, just don't mention that you do in every post.

[Pinbalistic]

Not to come down hard on you, but ADHD is just a deficiency of spanking in a child. When I was young if my attention started wandering I was spanked, and I turned out just right.:punish:

[Rhino]

You turned out okay because you aren't ADHD. It most definitely exists.

TR, the medication does not stunt your growth. It suppresses appetite, which can cause weight loss, or inhibit weight gain. That's not the same thing as stunted growth.

You need new friends.

[Wyatt_Junker]

ADD medz are just glorified crank. The theory being that if you can speed up the body's metabolism, it will crap out the norepinephrine receptors so that you can 'chill'.

Why not just become a regular coffee drinker? Helps you to focus, and less side effects. You'll still get jittery, but not be nearly as dependent upon the scrips.

[TeenageRepublican]

I think adhd is just kids being kids.

The meds are an excuse to not actually teach them how to behave.

No, actually ADHD is not kids being kids, here's how you can tell if you have ADHD.
-Scientists measured the brain waves of ADHD people think and found out that they actually use the right side of their brain. Normal people use the left side of their brain.
-Another way that doctors can tell that people have ADHD is that they have the complete opposite effect with caffiene. For example, a normal guy drinks a 12 pack of Mountain Dew and he's hyper as a jack-rabbit. I drink a 12 pack of Mountain Dew and I'm ready to pass out. How is this proof?
Here's the best way to describe it.
There are two thermometers,
Normal
ADHD

The normal thermometer is always at average temperature, and is always normal. The ADHD thermometer is 50 degrees higher than the normal termometer, and is always hyper. Give both thermometers caffiene, the normal thermometer gets a sugar boost and is now at the level with the ADHD thermometer, until that thermometer has caffiene.
Suddenly, the ADHD thermometer is at average level, while the normal one is still up there. Why is the ADHD thermometer suddenly average? Because, the caffiene getting added to the extremely high level was so much that it started to go down. It's the same with medication, a normal person would get high as the sky if he took it, but if someone like me takes it, I'm average.
-Doctors just don't give ADHD meds to kids who are hyper, they have to fit all the symptoms and take a load of tests and have their brain waves measured.

I don't blame you for believing what you do about ADHD, most people believe it, but trust me, it's a real condition. As for your statement about my writing, the reason I mentioned is to give more reason of what a dumbass Pierce is.
He refuses to show me a story, supposed novel, or anything else like that. Which basically means that he's not even writing, he's just showing it off for some reason. But, I'll try to water down my mention of my writing, it's just that when I'm typing it's like an impulse in my fingers. :thumb:

[TeenageRepublican]

Personally, I think you might be just a tad self-absorbed.

I have a feeling this is about the writing statement, here is what's going on.
He's always saying that he's better at something than me, and he never prooves it. The statement that he's a writer, or a better one, is false. One time, I challenged him to a short story contest, to see if he was a writer or not, and he refused because "it sounded gay".
What part of free write did he NOT understand? He also says he's smarter than me, it's true, he's smarter than me academically. Unlike him, I'm extremely mature, I can admit when I'm wrong, and I actually use logic in my arguments.
He's a self-absorbed dumbass, I'm sorry, but it's true. He puts himself in front of everything. I try not to be selfish, or self-absorbed. I help my friends out of situations, and I actually respect them. Pierce doesn't do that, that's why he's a self-absorbed dumbass.

[TeenageRepublican]

ADD medz are just glorified crank. The theory being that if you can speed up the body's metabolism, it will crap out the norepinephrine receptors so that you can 'chill'.

Why not just become a regular coffee drinker? Helps you to focus, and less side effects. You'll still get jittery, but not be nearly as dependent upon the scrips.

I actually do that when I forget to take it and it's too late to take them. I'm not THAT dependent on them, but, if I want to pass school, I'm going to have to take them. It takes about 3 to 4 pots of coffee to get me to stop squirming, I'd rather take two pills that have just the same impact, it saves time, and it's very convenient.
If I die from taking it, then I die from taking it. I'd rather die a calm person than die a hyperactive dumbass.

[Nutrider99]

ADHD is the most over diagnosed malady there is. While some children are truly hyperactive (as we used to be called), most of it is a manifestation of homeostasis compensating for long periods of inactivity which suppress natural youthful vigor. In other words, where we ran and played, today's youth sit in front of computers and video games masturbating their mind with audiovisual sensations that do nothing for their cardio-vascular system. In most cases, ADHD could best be treated by involvement in sports, work around the home or other forms of focused activity. When I was growing up I knew that if I didn't find ways to amuse myself my parents would find things for me to do, which invariably I would disdain.

I believe there are a few cases where medication is the proper treatment, but damn few. Mostly it's the result of the body's natural energies being denied and thus channeled into areas which are counterproductive.

[Wolfcounsel]

All kids have those ADDs and ADHDs. When our 12 grandchildren (all young) come for a visit, it's like trying to herd cats. About your friend, definitely maybe he's wrong.:evilgrin:

[Rhino]

Why not just become a regular coffee drinker? Helps you to focus, and less side effects. You'll still get jittery, but not be nearly as dependent upon the scrips.Believe it or not, that actually works somewhat for me. I'm ADHD, but not that badly.

You can't get dependent on ADHD medication unless you're abusing it. The doses are too low.

[Rhino]

In most cases, ADHD could best be treated by involvement in sports, work around the home or other forms of focused activity.Doesn't work on ADHD. It's been tried and failed on countless occasions, as has the 'increased discipline' angle.

When I was growing up I knew that if I didn't find ways to amuse myself my parents would find things for me to do, which invariably I would disdain.It's easy for someone without firsthand experience with ADHD to explain it away using their own personal experiences. But if you aren't ADHD, your experiences really are not a valid comparison.

[Rhino]

All kids have those ADDs and ADHDs. When our 12 grandchildren (all young) come for a visit, it's like trying to herd cats.Fortunately, all kids don't. Simple childhood hyperactivity is not the same thing as ADHD. It doesn't manifest in the same way either, although it may appear that way on the surface to someone unfamiliar with it.

[Lubbock]

Eagle1 and Pinbalistic and the rest of the unbelievers are welcome to come to Lubbock and spend a week in my house with my grandsons.

The six year old is a "normal" kid in everyway, and he's a handful.

The ten year old is ADHD [just like his dad whom I raised, and his granddad whom I was married to].

At the end of a week, you'll either change your tune or forever live in ignorance, and just keep shooting off your ignorant mouths when this subject arises.

Rhino knows exactly what he's talking about.

My ex-husband [now deceased] was born in 1932, and when he was growing up, no one had a clue as to why he was the way he was, but he was one of the lucky ones: he quit school in the 9th grade, but his "energy" was directed into work and over-achieving, and he turned out a very successful and wealthy businessman.

When my son was growing up, no one had a clue as to what was wrong, and I drug him to doctor after doctor. ADD/ADHD was still very mysterious to most of the medical community at that time.

A guidance counselor from my son's school directed me to the Medical College of Virginia and two doctors there, Dr. Bob Resnick and Dr. John Urbach, who were doing extensive research into ADD/ADHD.

Had it not been for those two doctors, I don't know where I or my son would be at this time.

They certainly saved my life.

You have no idea what it's like for everyone you know, including your own mother, to be on your case 24/7/365, telling you your kid is the way he is because you are a bad parent and you don't spank him enough.

When it comes to almost any subject, I have an opinion on it. Mostly uninformed opinions, but I express them anyway. There are a certain subjects that, unless I can offer advice or a shoulder, I keep my mouth shut on because personal lives are involved, and I don't have any idea what those people are living through.

For the uninformed, ADD/ADHD is a subject some of you should just shut up about until you take yourself to school on it.

[Wolfcounsel]

I think I see your point. ADD and ADHD are sensitive subjects only. But 12 grandchildren and not a one has those two thing?:question:

[Lubbock]

Then consider yourself extremely LUCKY!!!

If you would care to learn more, I have provided a link.


Robert J. Resnick, PhD, ABPP, is a professor of psychology at Randolph-Macon College in Ashland, Virginia. He received his PhD from the University of Tennessee and specializes in attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) through the life span as well as accessibility to health care and health policy.

In Treating Adolescents With ADHD, Dr. Robert J. Resnick demonstrates his approach to helping adolescents and their families deal with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), a common diagnosis whose symptoms include impulsivity, hyperactivity, and inattention. Dr. Resnick works with both the parents and the child with ADHD, first to evaluate the environment in which the adolescent lives and then to find ways to make that environment more "ADHD-friendly."

http://www.apa.org/videos/4310472.html

EDIT: I just goggled Dr. Urbach and see that he is still at MCV:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/m767t787l71114w7/

[Wolfcounsel]

Uh, thanks, Lubbock, but if it cost a quarter to go around the world, I wouldn't make it to the next block. You have to pay to read about the disorders.:evilgrin:

[Lubbock]

I goggled Dr. Resnick and that was the first thing I came to, and I didn't notice that it was a paid site.

I'm sure there is a wealth of free information on The Net.

Here's my bottom line:

I don't really care whether anyone takes the time to educate themselves on the subject. I just want to non-believers to quit telling the rest of us who are affected by ADHD that it is a made-up condition.

Comments like "Not to come down hard on you, but ADHD is just a deficiency of spanking in a child." sets my hair on fire.

That is someone who is speaking from total ignorance. Total, complete, 100% ignorance.

Those kinds of people should just shut the hell up.

And Nut is right: ADHD is the most over-diagnosed/over-medicated malady known to man, and people do use it as an excuse for bad parenting.

It's like the Nappy Headed Ho in North Carolina crying rape. She makes it extremely hard for true rape victims.

[dPrasse]

Eagle1 and Pinbalistic and the rest of the unbelievers are welcome to come to Lubbock and spend a week in my house with my grandsons.

That'd be fun to see !! :D

At the end of a week, you'll either change your tune or forever live in ignorance, and just keep shooting off your ignorant mouths when this subject arises.....

When it comes to almost any subject, I have an opinion on it. Mostly uninformed opinions, but I express them anyway.

As do we all ...:D

For the uninformed, ADD/ADHD is a subject some of you should just shut up about until you take yourself to school on it.

A subject we agree on !!

No amount of "punishment" or "activities" will help an ADHD kid any more than it would help a retarded child be "un-retarded" or a handicapped child become "un-handicapped " ...

Oh , and , to get back on topic ... your friend is just an un-enlightened skull full of mush ... you can help him ... his parents are the dumb-asses ... they're old enough to know better ! :lol:

[Eagle1]

For the uninformed, ADD/ADHD is a subject some of you should just shut up about until you take yourself to school on it.

You are so right. Ever since I was born I have been locked up in solitary with no exposure to the outside world. I have never even met a child and probably was never one myself. Not only had I never heard of ADHD before I happened upon this thread, but decided that it would be fun to play a cruel joke on people by posing as a medical authority and telling them how worthless they are.
I forgot that since I have never had a child with the diagnosis I am not allowed to comment on the issue.
I am so sorry. It is a brave new world out there. I will remember my place as someone under 50 thereby admitting that I am ignorant in every subject.

[Timberwolf]

I was thinkin' the very same thing, Eagle...even though I have a mild to moderate case of it myself...maybe THAT'S why coffee and Coke don't have the same effect on me as on others...

[TeenageRepublican]

...I just want to non-believers to quit telling the rest of us who are affected by ADHD that it is a made-up condition...
Comments like "Not to come down hard on you, but ADHD is just a deficiency of spanking in a child." sets my hair on fire...Those kinds of people should just shut the hell up.


:claps: Well said!

[Wolfcounsel]

I found this while I was looking for ADHD and ADD stories:

http://www.academyanalyticarts.org/galvesealker.htm

[TeenageRepublican]

I thought I should post this since we're talking about ADHD. There are a few characters in the Bible that may have had ADHD, it's in a book I read, I'll post it later since I know where it is and because I'll be more awake.
I'm tired of people saying that ADHD is a disorder, it's not, scientists are actually seeing that most people with ADHD are more creative, intelligent, and thoughtful. No, I'm not saying that ADHD kids are smarter than most kids, they're just more than what they appear to be to most people.
ADHD people focus alot of their attention to what they're most interested in. Like me before I started taking meds, I was constantly writing fiction and not focusing on schoolwork.
I don't mean to bring up my writing again because I know some people have actually been bitching about this, but it actually relates to this post. Teachers thought I was mentally retarded until they read some of my work of fiction, then they realized that I have the brains to do the work, I just don't do it. That's when they started asking my mom if I had ADHD.
Then the story goes on. I wish people would stop just looking at the bad of ADHD, what they should be looking at is the good. I know this is what a Liberal would say, but it's true. There is actually more good in ADHD than there is bad.
If ADHD people can control it with whatever works for them, they can actually achieve what was to them the unachievable, and STILL keep track in their interests. I'm fed up with all the looney bins who say that ADHD doesn't exist, how the hell would they know? They don't know what it's even like!
I'm glad I got that out of me... :biggrin:

[Wolfcounsel]

Can you run Billy Graham's quote by again, TR? For the record, I said that ALL kids have ADD and ADHD.

[Rhino]

I think I see your point. ADD and ADHD are sensitive subjects only. But 12 grandchildren and not a one has those two thing?:question:You're in luck.

By the way, ADD and ADHD are the same thing. They used to refer to them separately, but now they're just ADHD. ADHD has two components, hyperactivity and attention deficit. ADHD sufferers may have one or the other, or even both.

For the record, I said that ALL kids have ADD and ADHD.In an abstract sense, you are correct. All human beings have the chemical components of ADHD. It is by no means limited to children, but it has the greatest effect on them. Most people have an acceptable chemical balance in this regard, but technically no one has exactly the same balance, and no one adjusts to their own balance in exactly the same way as others. That balance of dopamines has to exceed an 'acceptable' range before one is considered to be suffering from the disorder though.

[dPrasse]

For the record, I said that ALL kids have ADD and ADHD.

Statements like that minimize the REAL medical condition ...

Very similar to saying , "Well , we all start dying the moment we're born" in a "my parent/relative just died" thread ....

very thoughtful ...

[Beowulf]

Forgive me for coming across as bitter but I don't want to hear those who don't have ADHD or don't know much about it calling it "fake, overdiagnosed and overmedicated." If you think that, I'll give you my son for a week WITHOUT his meds and you'll get a crash course!:flame:

Overdiagnosed? Yes, I think it often is. Overmedicated? Yes as doctors often start meds too soon in a child's life. It is recommended to NOT give meds until a child is at least 7 years of age. It is often a first reaction until they work with the patient and learn more specifics. It took a couple of years before they got my son figured out but his therapist, doctors and the wife and I work together. It's tough but we do.

He's so overactive that he can't sit still long enough to do something thus, he can't really "Pay attention." His meds mellow him out and he does much better. He doesn't eat alot of sugar so it's not diet, People!

My son also has OCD, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Aspberger's Syndrome with Autistic traits. If he starts on something, he won't stop until he finds it, finishes what he's doing and if he can't, he'll just break down and cry or even physically come after me or the wife. More than once I've had to tie him into a knot to restrain him.
He also has alot of repeat behaviors and although he's 13, he is menally about 8.

Teen, you "friend" is sadly misinformed. I understand ADHD quite well as I live with it each day. No one can tell me otherwise.

[dPrasse]

I know EXACTLY what you are talking about ... OCD,Aspbergers ... the whole smear ....

maybe a good spanking , a timeout and bed without supper will cure him ...


:D

[Timberwolf]

Beowulf...what you're describing is very similar to how many children react to the preservatives in vaccinations (they have a small amount of mercury which is NOT a good thing).

I'm not trying to be funny or anything here...I'm dead serious. (Especially) If your son began showing symptoms shortly after one of his vaccinations, go to a respected homopath and get him on a detoxification regimen. It may be that's what he needs. Just a hunch. And, believe me, I hope I'm right because, if I am, his behavior should become "normal".

[gnome]

Beowulf...what you're describing is very similar to how many children react to the preservatives in vaccinations (they have a small amount of mercury which is NOT a good thing).

I'm not trying to be funny or anything here...I'm dead serious. (Especially) If your son began showing symptoms shortly after one of his vaccinations, go to a respected homopath and get him on a detoxification regimen. It may be that's what he needs. Just a hunch. And, believe me, I hope I'm right because, if I am, his behavior should become "normal".

I don't believe homeopathy and "detoxification" is a reliable medical treatment. I'm curious if you're fully informed. Are you willing to get into it here or in another thread?

[TeenageRepublican]

Can you run Billy Graham's quote by again, TR? For the record, I said that ALL kids have ADD and ADHD.

The Billy Graham quote is not directed towards you Wolfcounsel, it's my signature, and I frankly agree with it. Not every kid has ADHD, if you're going to talk like that, then all seniors have arthritis, and all stray cats have rabies.

[Rhino]

By the way, the quote in your signature is not correct. Some spelling and grammar errors. It should be:

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and find out there is."

[TeenageRepublican]

By the way, the quote in your signature is not correct. Some spelling and grammar errors. It should be:

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and find out there is."

Oops, my bad. :D

[Wolfcounsel]

"The Billy Graham quote is not directed towards you Wolfcounsel, it's my signature, and I frankly agree with it. Not every kid has ADHD, if you're going to talk like that, then all seniors have arthritis, and all stray cats have rabies." --TeenageRepublican

Well, I don't doubt one bit you agree with the quote, then.:punish:

[Timberwolf]

I don't believe homeopathy and "detoxification" is a reliable medical treatment. I'm curious if you're fully informed. Are you willing to get into it here or in another thread?
Well then, it's a good thing that I didn't claim it was recognized by the AMA as "reliable medical treatment", isn't it? I was merely speaking from 24 years experience in dealing with the failures of medicine/medical treatment. Far be it from me to trust everything the medical community says, since I have successfully treated hundreds of people the Mayo Clinic had given up on...it didn't take very long and the cost was next to nothing, compared to the tens of thousands of dollars wasted on "reliable medical treatment".

There are MANY herb and plant extracts that will bolster the immune system, aid the liver in purifying the blood and aid in bowel function. Some others will help the body discard heavy metals (which is the main issue to which I speak).

To tell you the truth, I don't care if you believe (in) homeopathy or not. It is of great benefit to many people - my mom, myself, and a number of my clientele to numerous to list here.

Homeopathy would be a very inexpensive alternative...and, even if it doesn't help, IT AIN'T GONNA HURT if applied properly (thus the advice of a "respected homeopath" there ARE quacks out there in that field, also)...and at least one more avenue would be explored, so give it a rest.

[TeenageRepublican]

"The Billy Graham quote is not directed towards you Wolfcounsel, it's my signature, and I frankly agree with it. Not every kid has ADHD, if you're going to talk like that, then all seniors have arthritis, and all stray cats have rabies." --TeenageRepublican

Well, I don't doubt one bit you agree with the quote, then.:punish:

I was actually just posted the reply on this thread and getting stuff out of my mind. It wasn't directed towards you, it was just some thoughts that entered my mind that needed to get the hell out. :biggrin:

[gnome]

Well then, it's a good thing that I didn't claim it was recognized by the AMA as "reliable medical treatment", isn't it? I was merely speaking from 24 years experience in dealing with the failures of medicine/medical treatment. Far be it from me to trust everything the medical community says, since I have successfully treated hundreds of people the Mayo Clinic had given up on...it didn't take very long and the cost was next to nothing, compared to the tens of thousands of dollars wasted on "reliable medical treatment".

I'm not asking you to trust the medical community... I'm asking you to consider if homeopathy has an effect beyond placebo.

There are MANY herb and plant extracts that will bolster the immune system, aid the liver in purifying the blood and aid in bowel function. Some others will help the body discard heavy metals (which is the main issue to which I speak).

I am not speaking against herb and plant extracts. Homeopathy in particular dilutes the substances into irrelevance. In fact in most homeopathic solutions (unless they're mislabeled) there is hyper-dilution to the point where it is most likely there is not even a single molecule of the ingredient in it.

How do the products help the body discard heavy metals?

To tell you the truth, I don't care if you believe (in) homeopathy or not. It is of great benefit to many people - my mom, myself, and a number of my clientele to numerous to list here.

Homeopathy would be a very inexpensive alternative...and, even if it doesn't help, IT AIN'T GONNA HURT if applied properly (thus the advice of a "respected homeopath" there ARE quacks out there in that field, also)...and at least one more avenue would be explored, so give it a rest.

There are many treatments that cause the patient to believe they have benefited, when in fact the effect is only placebo, or the improvement is misattributed to the treatment and actually comes from some other factor. Do you know how to tell the difference? It is usually done with a double-blind test, and homeopathy scores poorly under that method.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I was actually just posted the reply on this thread and getting stuff out of my mind. It wasn't directed towards you, it was just some thoughts that entered my mind that needed to get the hell out. :biggrin:" --TeenageRepublican

Since the first time I mentioned it, I knew the quote was separate from the post. We're all electronic pixels here.:thumb:

[Beowulf]

Beowulf...what you're describing is very similar to how many children react to the preservatives in vaccinations (they have a small amount of mercury which is NOT a good thing).

I'm not trying to be funny or anything here...I'm dead serious. (Especially) If your son began showing symptoms shortly after one of his vaccinations, go to a respected homopath and get him on a detoxification regimen. It may be that's what he needs. Just a hunch. And, believe me, I hope I'm right because, if I am, his behavior should become "normal".

A reaction to a vaccination had nothing to do with it. He was diagnosed at an early age as he never spoke complete sentences until he was 5 and to him, everything one drinks was "juice." You really didn't know what he wanted so it was a guessing game. If you were wrong, he would cry.

To make it worse, he is entering pukerty so the attitude is worse. I'm lucky that mine is worse and he can't match mine when I counter with my own.

[gnome]

Some information about mercury in vaccines...

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/concerns/thimerosal.htm

Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/immunization_science_detail.cfv?id=110

The mercury contained in some vaccines is handled very differently by the body than mercury found in foods such as fish or the mercury from industrial accidents. Mercury in vaccines is eliminated from the body much faster than methylmercury (8.6 versus 21.5 days). Methylmercury is not a suitable reference for extrapolating information about ethylmercury.

[TeenageRepublican]

A reaction to a vaccination had nothing to do with it. He was diagnosed at an early age as he never spoke complete sentences until he was 5 and to him, everything one drinks was "juice." You really didn't know what he wanted so it was a guessing game. If you were wrong, he would cry.

To make it worse, he is entering pukerty so the attitude is worse. I'm lucky that mine is worse and he can't match mine when I counter with my own.

Ever since I was BORN I had ADHD. I would do this bizarre shake with my hands everytime I got excited, and I would pace back and forth a lot of times. When I got to the ages of 7-13.5, I just paced and asked alot of questions. I then got medication, and now I just occasionally pace.

Every ADHD kid has his/her own of releasing energy, staying off track, or both. What is his way of releasing energy? What's your way of releasing energy?