Fred Sawyer and Huckabee Finn (by Ann Coulter)

[EveningStar]

Ann Coulter
October 10, 2007

Conservatives unhappy with our Republican presidential candidates seem to be drifting aimlessly toward Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee in the misguided belief that these candidates are more conservative than Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. This is like breaking up with Bobby Brown so you can date Phil Spector...
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[Maggie_T]

So she doesn't like Thompson. Big deal. She's not the only one.

Moving on.

[Jack_Savage]

Ann Coulter just did a gig with Dennis Miller's radio show. seems they fiired up the quick wit machine.

[The_Elucidator]

I still like Annie; even though I vehemently disagree with her!

[Jack_Savage]

I still like Annie; even though I vehemently disagree with her!
Me too. She will always be remembered as one of the most important people to ever walk the earth. She has done great things for conservative causes. Forced people to examine who they really are. Been responsible for how so many idiots now view themselves. She can see the wart on a nose that here to for was invisible. And she can see the noble humanity in those who are spit on by the pollsters. Great addition to societys experience of itself. We all must give her thanks for her genuine originality and intent.

Thank You Ann Coulter.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:cuss: Okay, who are you, & what have you done with the real Ann Coulter??

[Maggie_T]

I still like Annie; even though I vehemently disagree with her!


Ditto, Luc.

[dPrasse]

So what , Anne ..
You are our Al Sharpton .. many times you have a sharp wit and some times you are a dimwit ...

besides , . you're dating a Democrat ...

[The_Elucidator]

So what , Anne ..
You are our Al Sharpton .. many times you have a sharp wit and some times you are a dimwit ...

besides , . you're dating a Democrat ...

I'm sure that if anyone can turn a homo straight it would be her :thumb:

[Maggie_T]

Aw, forget it, guys. This is just another excuse for the Coulterphobes to pull out the hatchet and go after her. :rolleyes:

[EveningStar]

In 1999, Sen. Fred Thompson joined legal giants like Sens. Jim Jeffords, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins to vote against removing Bill Clinton from office for perjury.There were two charges. Fred did vote against the perjury charge. However, he voted for the obstruction of justice charge. In order to be removed from office, Clinton needed to be convicted on only one charge. Ann is guilty of either sloppy research or dishonesty here.

[DeclinetoState]

It may be that time of the month for Ann. Or perhaps she's just sore that Fred has a trophy wife/child bride--and Ann's not it!

:evilgrin:

[EveningStar]

Aw, forget it, guys. This is just another excuse for the Coulterphobes to pull out the hatchet and go after her. :rolleyes:

From Ann's article:
Only a handful of Republicans voted against all law and reason to keep Clinton in office, and only one of them was from Tennessee.

As I noted previously, there were two charges. Fred did vote against the perjury charge. However, he voted for the obstruction of justice charge. In order to be removed from office, Clinton needed to be convicted on only one charge. Ann is guilty of either sloppy research or dishonesty here.

Ann's fans need to stop enabling her when she pulls this crap.

[Venus de Smilo]

There were two charges. Fred did vote against the perjury charge. However, he voted for the obstruction of justice charge. In order to be removed from office, Clinton needed to be convicted on only one charge. Ann is guilty of either sloppy research or dishonesty here.

So, are you saying Bubba didn't commit perjury?

[Venus de Smilo]

It may be that time of the month for Ann. Or perhaps she's just sore that Fred has a trophy wife/child bride--and Ann's not it!

:evilgrin:

Incredibly cheap shot.

[Maggie_T]

Yeah, Ann gets that a lot. :rolleyes:

[Venus de Smilo]

"Only a handful of Republicans voted against all law and reason to keep Clinton in office, and only one of them was from Tennessee.

This isn't the time to be toying with any Republican who had a Clinton in his sights and ended up shooting himself in the foot. If you're bored with our top candidates, go see a slasher movie. Don't take it out on a presidential election."

Ann makes an excellent point. The Clintons need to be confronted for their corruption, not molly-coddled with kid gloves, and that includes during this election cycle for the current and past corrupt acts. If Thompson gets the nomination, is he going to kiss some more Clinton ass or fumble through his notes like he did last night while Hitliary shouts slogans to the masses, or is he going to go full bore against them? That's what I want to know. Right now, he's looking more like Bob Dole in '96 than he is a viable opponent against the Clintons.

[Maggie_T]

I can only hope that Fred has gone back on some of his past "boo-boos," taken a good look at them, and realized that he was wrong.

I think he will.

[EveningStar]

So, are you saying Bubba didn't commit perjury?
I think he did. Fred doesn't. Fred is a lawyer. I'm not.

Fred voted for obstruction of justice, so he wanted Clinton gone.

[Jack_Savage]

I can only hope that Fred has gone back on some of his past "boo-boos," taken a good look at them, and realized that he was wrong.

I think he will.
Good point. Nobodys perfect in the race. Fred would be a great President.

We all have alot to work on. Its a process. I also have to keep working on my game. Prioritize and look at the alternatives. Of all the choices I face what are the best three of all of em? Then pick the best of the three, and cut the cake and stick with it. If things change do it again. I try not to do it out of being right. "Right", usually isn't what it looks like.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Venus de Smilo:
Right now, he's looking more like Bob Dole in '96 than he is a viable opponent against the Clintons.

:moo: You're grasping at straws. You desperately want the rest of us to jump on the Giuliani bandwagon. It ain't happenin'. Get over it. The Ghoul is an albatross around the neck of the Republican party. He will pump the party's handwagon straight to Hell. I plan to jump off that handcar before it reaches its destination.

[Venus de Smilo]

:moo: You're grasping at straws. You desperately want the rest of us to jump on the Giuliani bandwagon. It ain't happenin'. Get over it. The Ghoul is an albatross around the neck of the Republican party. He will pump the party's handwagon straight to Hell. I plan to jump off that handcar before it reaches its destination.

I don't want Rudy to be the next president of the United States, Moo, and I have no idea why you would post such an idiotic remark. I would much prefer Fred Thompson, but I would prefer Rudy over Hillary any day. Thompson has, so far, been a disappointment in his presentation to the public and his campaign is disorganized. By contrast, Hillary is running her campaign like a military mission with stellar results. Right now, this minute, if it was Fred v. Hillary, Hillary wins hands down. If Thompson doesn't get his act together immediately, shake off the malaise or whatever is the problem, he isn't going to get the nomination and, even if he did, his current presentation is no match for Hillary's. We've all been basking in Hillary's negatives, but that number has been dropping further and further. It's below 50% now so, with a little cheating, she will win easily. She's already campaigning for the general election, and if you watched her closely you would realize this. She no longer has viable competition for the 'rat primary so she's been moving to the center even before the nomination, a luxury few have ever been afforded. We certainly don't see that happening in the 'pub campaign. Our candidates are tripping over each other to move right; meanwhile, she's grabbing the center.

Shake yourself. Your pie-in-the-sky "Conservative Utopia or Moo Stays Home" attitude is worse than voting 'rat because you SHOULD know by now what "Clinton" means to the safety of this country as well as the free market and our moral compass. There's just no excuse for your pathetic, childish attitude.

[The_Elucidator]

:moo: You're grasping at straws. You desperately want the rest of us to jump on the Giuliani bandwagon. It ain't happenin'. Get over it. The Ghoul is an albatross around the neck of the Republican party. He will pump the party's handwagon straight to Hell. I plan to jump off that handcar before it reaches its destination.

LP, there isn't one person asking for you to jump on the Giuliani bandwagon. There isn't one person asking for anyone to jump on it. But there are a few people who are saying that we are going to openly support FDT in every way possible during the primaries and do everything in our power to stop Hitler in the fall election, even if it means voting for Rudy over Hitler. Screw the party; we are just trying to slow down the arterial bleeding.

[Lazarus]

I don't understand all this hatred toward Fred Thompson from some of these supposed mainsteam conservatives... This is going beyond casual observations... These attacks are open and intentional calculations meant to derail Thompson's candidacy...

Why are these Conservative voices doing the work of the Left to destroy this obviously popular and effect Conservative leader? This is not a coincidence, people... This is completely irrational and illogical for these people to be doing this...

We are not dumb sheep to be herded around by the media talkin heads, regardless of which side of the fence they sit on... When the vast majority of the membership of this board is firmly behind Fred Thompson, and I am personally observing precisely the same opinion among rank and file Republican Party staffers in the conservative strongholds in this country, its because we conservative thinkers recognize a strength and integrity and dedication to conservative values in this man... And yet we have seen repeated attacks from the likes of Coulter, Will, and Novak on Thompson that are utterly UNJUSTIFIED!

Someone's pulling these strings or these media wanks have their own little elitist circle going on here... And I want to know why...

This is not just Ann's casual opinion... These are attacks that we are not seeing against any other Pub candidate - WHY? These
"bastions" os conservatism certainly have more hard ammunition to fuss about with Rudy or Mitt - Hell, Rudy doesn't even try to sell himself as a Conservative... And they should be tearing Romney to pieces over his obvious convenient flip-flops and his disingenous claims toward conservatism...

But do we see any of this? No - We see an all out effort on the part of these people to DESTROY Fred Thompson...

Im sorry, I cannot give Ann Coulter a pass on this... What these people are doing is precisely the same elitist media manipulation that the Left has been doing to us for years - ABsolutely no difference!... We're just a bunch of toothless, yoohoo-suckin, moon-pie-eatin, trailer trash yahoos and its their mission from God to make sure we are herded and guided to vote for THEIR tapped and pre-coronated choices...

When she did this the first time I was disturbed... Now Im PISSED OFF!!! This rips it!

Im am a FREE CONSERVATIVE and I will not be fed and watered and programmed!!! Screw Ann Coulter! Screw George Will! Screw Bob Novak!

I will be voting for Fred By-Gawd Thompson!!! :flame::flame::flame:

[The_Elucidator]

Brother Laz, this bears repeating... The elite wing of the GOP doesn't think that FDT can win; PERIOD! They are hitching their wagon to a horse that is built for speed instead of the horse that is built for endurance.

Allow me to analogize with this True story: Kind of long but relevant!

My Grandfather (FDR Yellow Dog Democrat) and Father (Reagan Republican) were avid bird hunters. There was a point early on that in order to keep up with the Jones' they wanted to spend some good coin on a really expensive bird dog. So they drove to southern Illinois in search of a really "beautiful" hunting dog.

When they arrived at the kennel the owner showed them many a nice looking bird dog. The owner asked them both, do you want a dog that's pretty or do you want a dog that can hunt. Being somewhat offended my Grandfather replied BOTH. In interest of fairness the owner showed him a dog that was isolated in a kennel because he had Giardia(sp) and was being treated. But the owner informed my Grandfather that this dog was 100% bird dog. It had the triplecrown; it could locate, point and retrieve. My father kept trying to convince my Grandad that we should take his word for it, let the dog get better and then come back and pick it up. Well the dog wasn't pretty so my Grandad moved on.

When they had selected their dog the owner took them out to the back 40, released some quail and let the dog show his stuff. It just so happened that the owner took out litter mate of this particular dog to run with to show it could also back another dog. Well this dog somehow never found the birds but had the most beautiful backing ability and had one beautiful point. After dropping $1000 (back in 69 this was a boat load of money) they loaded up the dog and headed back to Indiana.

Opening day rolled around and out they went; showing off that "beautiful" dog for all to see. Once out in the field my Grandfather ran the show. Blowing the whistle giving commands and that dog behaved wonderfully. Well after hunting for a hour or so and personally stepping on 3 coveys of quail without the dog pointing once; they started to get suspicious. When they would approach an area where they knew some quail had landed my Grandad would say woe and the dog would stop and point. Nothing... Move a little farther; he would say woe and the dog would do the same. Nothing... Finally after walking a littler farther my Grandad stepped on a covey of about 30 birds and he just completely lost it. This is the most worthless dog I have ever seen in my life he told my dad. My dad looked right at him and told him that he would take a Republican with the shits over a Democrat that looks pretty any day. True Story!

Folks; Fred D Thompson - that dog can hunt!

[Lazarus]

Cute story, Luc... It probably does apply the media wonks in question and they certainly are free to blindly believe like Grandad did...

My anger is based on the insulting tactics they are displaying - and the very fact that they believe they have the right to manipulate and program us... Its precisely what the Leftist media has been doing since Vietnam - These three have just demonstrated in no uncertain terms, that they respect us as little and are capable of exactly the same tactics as the Leftist media...

In short, they are no better then the Left - Just because they presumably tout the same principles that we do is no mitigation in their crime if they are still going to act in this elitist way and treat us like obedient slaves...

Their hit pieces are not informative - they are insulting, ugly character assassinations and the insult is directed at not only Thompson (and Huckabee) but at us hayseed doofuses (doofi?) who are soooooooo stupid that we need keepers...

If Coulter, and those other two, are willing to treat us this way, precisely the way the Leftist media does, why should I, or any of us, ever trust anything else they ever say... This goes beyond "double secret probation"...

I am patient to a point but when you try to con me, you lose my trust and my loyalty...

[Maggie_T]

Moo, you know I love you to death. But in this case I must side with Venus and Luc. With the Bride of Satan running we no longer can afford the luxury of attitude. Hillary will be DEATH to this country. And nobody recovers from death.

There's another thing to consider. If whoever runs for the GOP beats Hillary by a small margin, 2000 will look like Arthur's Round Table. Hillary will drag the recounts till kingdom come, till some activist judge somewhere gives her the victory. I doubt there'll be a second K. Harris at hand to do the right thing. Hitlery will not be like Gore, I'll tell you that right now.

Please, Moo. Think about it. No matter how you look at it, a Hitlery victory will be the end of this country. Is that what you really want?

You're not stupid, love. You must realize that this is no time for tantrums.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

LP, there isn't one person asking for you to jump on the Giuliani bandwagon. There isn't one person asking for anyone to jump on it. But there are a few people who are saying that we are going to openly support FDT in every way possible during the primaries and do everything in our power to stop Hitler in the fall election, even if it means voting for Rudy over Hitler. Screw the party; we are just trying to slow down the arterial bleeding.

I don't want to appear as if I'm being worn down, but I'm at least understanding of where every one is coming from regarding Hillary. I don't fear her as much as I fear us NOT getting the Congressional seats needed to override her (not that one woud want to ride her, over or under, :smirky:).

At this point, however, the foot-stomping for Rudy vs. Hillary is WAY TOO PREMATURE. We have a primary coming up. I absolutely believe, with the exception of the nutjobs (Paul & McCain) that just about any of the candidates could beat Hillary if chosen as the nominee. I don't see Hillary as the shoe-in for President vs. the "R" candidate.

What I'm wanting to stress is we back the BEST candidate to be the nominee. I do not believe Rudy to be the BEST candidate, nor the BEST candidate to go up against Hillary. Therefore, UNTIL it comes down to the national election, the "R" vs. "D" I am not going to entertain thoughts of ANY candidate other than the BEST one for the nominee. At this point, I believe that to be Fred Thompson. I'm placing my bet that he'll get sharper as this political process chugs along ... he's been out of official politics for a while, it only makes sense he'd be a little rusty. It is also my hope that as the field begins to thin, and the other candidates drop by the way side, that they will choose to throw their weight and constituents/backers behind FDT over the other two (Rudy & Romney -- I believe McCain is simply unelectable, so I don't count him anymore).

I'm going to back-track, something I said I wouldn't do (but as I've explained before and elsewhere, I am a woman, it's my perogative to change my mind, :smirky:), I promise to rethink my vote IF Rudy gets the nomination -- BUT ONLY THEN. Until such time, I am placing all my chits on FDT, and I DO believe he will be the Republican nominee!

[Seabee]

Brother Laz, this bears repeating... The elite wing of the GOP doesn't think that FDT can win; PERIOD! They are hitching their wagon to a horse that is built for speed instead of the horse that is built for endurance.


Precisely the problem with the blue blood, Yale attending, elitist, so-called Republicans. They have their hands so far up Coulter's skirt she is their literary mouth piece. Coulter will not so much as pee without permission from the money. Thompson, politically, has little in common with them. He is a threat to them so they will sacrifice him to the fire in hopes of a Guiliani victory.
Now the problem with ole Freddie boy, Venus is correct his campaign is in a state of malaise and lethargy. He is trying a grass movement campaign similar to Dean's but without it's fire. Even if it did have the fire I doubt it would work. This is not to say that Thompson would not be a great President, it is saying he needs to fire his damn campaign manager and get someone with a pair of balls.
Finally, yes it would an infantile and idiotic not to vote because Guilani is the Republican nominee. Guliani at his worse, is a hundred times better than Hitlery, anyday of the week, any month of the year. But, I do hope Thompson gets his shiite together because I would love to cast my vote for him.

[altekruge]

Anyone care to tell us who they think Ann Coulter wants to see in the White House? You know, we are still more than year until the election. A lot can happen in that time and I think there are still some surprises in the offing. What will happen when Hillary finally runs out of ways to throw our money away on her stupid socialist give away programs. How many times can she flip flop on an issue before people stop listening entirely. And at this point as much as you all have your favorite candidate, no one has a clue as to who will actually be the Republican candidate.

[Seabee]

Anyone care to tell us who they think Ann Coulter wants to see in the White House?

Depends on who the "Money" tells Ann they want in the White House.

[Lazarus]

I don't want to appear as if I'm being worn down, but I'm at least understanding of where every one is coming from regarding Hillary. I don't fear her as much as I fear us NOT getting the Congressional seats needed to override her That's not being worn down, sweetpea... That's just intelligent reason, and nothing less than I would expect from you... And you're right about the Congressional seats - We need to keep the Congress in mind - Specifically the House... The Senate, for now, is lost in the wilderness I fear... But we may be able to reverse some of the Dem gains they took over in '06...

(not that one woud want to ride her, over or under, :smirky:).Ugh!!!:barf::D

At this point, however, the foot-stomping for Rudy vs. Hillary is WAY TOO PREMATURE. We have a primary coming up. I absolutely believe, with the exception of the nutjobs (Paul & McCain) that just about any of the candidates could beat Hillary if chosen as the nominee. I don't see Hillary as the shoe-in for President vs. the "R" candidate.I also don't see her as a shoe-in, but i also know what shallow thinkers the American electorate can be sometimes... When BJ Billy was elected the first time, I thought it was a knee-jerk reaction from the voters over Daddy Bush coupled with the votes that Perot siffoned off... I just knoew that after 4 years of lunacy the voters would throw the Clinton circus out... I still can't explain why he won a 2nd term... It defies logic and reason... Thus I no longer underestimate the stupidity of the Bread & Circus crowd...

As stupid as I think Hilary is, she has the political savvy of Bill running her show and HE is a dangerous opponent... His political smarts coupled with her Marxist evil is something we must not relax over... We must put a stake in this evil heart, lest the beast rise and devour us...

What I'm wanting to stress is we back the BEST candidate to be the nominee. I do not believe Rudy to be the BEST candidate, nor the BEST candidate to go up against Hillary. Therefore, UNTIL it comes down to the national election, the "R" vs. "D" I am not going to entertain thoughts of ANY candidate other than the BEST one for the nominee. At this point, I believe that to be Fred Thompson.Agreed! I am 100% with you, sis... We are still doing the Primary - NOW is the time for us to press hard for the man we believe is the best fot the job... And we should not stop pressing or waivering till the convention is over... At that point, we'll see what hand we have been dealt and move from there...

It is also my hope that as the field begins to thin, and the other candidates drop by the way side, that they will choose to throw their weight and constituents/backers behind FDT...Im with that too... Oddly enough I'm gonna go out on an odd limb here and make a prediction that John McCain may in fact throw his support behind Fred when the time comes... Reason: He and Fred sat next to each other in the Senate and there is still the pull of the Old Boy Net... Im curious to see how that plays out...

I'm going to back-track, something I said I wouldn't do... I promise to rethink my vote IF Rudy gets the nomination -- BUT ONLY THEN. Until such time, I am placing all my chits on FDT, and I DO believe he will be the Republican nominee!You and me, sis...:biggrin: That's my primary plan... Im 100 % Fred thru the primaries, but ultimately, when all the dust settles, in the general election, Im committed to shutting the Democrat out - Whoever that may be...

We are almost certainly going to have to live with a Dem-controlled Congress until 2010 minimum - We simply cannot let the Dems have the Whitehouse... THAT is not an option...

[The_Elucidator]

I don't want to appear as if I'm being worn down, but I'm at least understanding of where every one is coming from regarding Hillary. I don't fear her as much as I fear us NOT getting the Congressional seats needed to override her (not that one woud want to ride her, over or under, :smirky:).

At this point, however, the foot-stomping for Rudy vs. Hillary is WAY TOO PREMATURE. We have a primary coming up. I absolutely believe, with the exception of the nutjobs (Paul & McCain) that just about any of the candidates could beat Hillary if chosen as the nominee. I don't see Hillary as the shoe-in for President vs. the "R" candidate.

What I'm wanting to stress is we back the BEST candidate to be the nominee. I do not believe Rudy to be the BEST candidate, nor the BEST candidate to go up against Hillary. Therefore, UNTIL it comes down to the national election, the "R" vs. "D" I am not going to entertain thoughts of ANY candidate other than the BEST one for the nominee. At this point, I believe that to be Fred Thompson. I'm placing my bet that he'll get sharper as this political process chugs along ... he's been out of official politics for a while, it only makes sense he'd be a little rusty. It is also my hope that as the field begins to thin, and the other candidates drop by the way side, that they will choose to throw their weight and constituents/backers behind FDT over the other two (Rudy & Romney -- I believe McCain is simply unelectable, so I don't count him anymore).

I'm going to back-track, something I said I wouldn't do (but as I've explained before and elsewhere, I am a woman, it's my perogative to change my mind, :smirky:), I promise to rethink my vote IF Rudy gets the nomination -- BUT ONLY THEN. Until such time, I am placing all my chits on FDT, and I DO believe he will be the Republican nominee!

Sis; I know that sometimes I don't always get my exact point across but if you would change the name on your post to The_Elucidator you have just mirrored my exact feelings (cept for the I am a woman part :rotflmbo:) Thank you! I knew there was a reason why I liked you so much.. :thumb:

[The_Elucidator]

We are almost certainly going to have to live with a Dem-controlled Congress until 2010 minimum - We simply cannot let the Dems have the Whitehouse... THAT is not an option...

I would be more apt to vote 3rd party if we had a super majority of conservatives in both houses...I'm serious about that! But with there being a possibility of a near super majority in the Senate I just can't in all good faith vote anything other than GOP regardless of candidate with this group of 'Rat candidates. :limp:

[Lazarus]

...Now the problem with ole Freddie boy, Venus is correct his campaign is in a state of malaise and lethargy...Ya know I keep hearing that but Im still not SEEING it... His numbers have him in a solid 2nd of the entire rest of the field - 2nd position after only entering the race a month back while the rest of the field has been dancing and singing all Summer...

How is that a state of malaise and lethargy?

Be careful children - Beware of the subtle siren call of the MSM... Listen not to their lies... Watch with your eyes... If we hadn't heard so many "pundants" saying lately that Fred is flagging, none of us would look at his poll numbers and read it that way...

Fred is being attacked from the Left and the (so called) Right... Which just tells me the exact opposite of what the media is saying... It tells me that all his opponents are terrified of a candidate who has snatched 2nd position in the primary race after only one month of campaigning... Shall I list the names of candidates on both sides who would sell their children to be in the position Fred is in?

My God, people, what does this guy have to do to get respect?:brow:

[Lazarus]

...cept for the I am a woman part :rotflmbo:...For a second there I thought we had you ona technicality...:D

[The_Elucidator]

My God, what does this guy have to do to get respect?:brow:

Learn how to dress himself... :smirky:

[Lazarus]

Learn how to dress himself... :smirky::rotflmbo:

[Seabee]

Ya know I keep hearing that but Im still not SEEING it... His numbers have him in a solid 2nd of the entire rest of the field - 2nd position after only entering the race a month back while the rest of the field has been dancing and singing all Summer...

How is that a state of malaise and lethargy?


Fred has been sitting at about the same numbers for awhile, he was also a solid second before his announcement into the race. What has changed?? A solid second gets him nothing except alot of spent campaign contributions for promises that will never get a chance to be put into effect. His improvements have been marginal. I want to support a winner, I want that winner to be Thompson. His numbers should have kept growing and he has made no major efforts to reverse this trend. He is allowing the media to tout him as fizzling out. Unfortunately, media hype is part of a campaign and not playing the game, to a point, is going to lead to him being out of the race before it begins. That is a comfort zone, hence the malaise and lethargy comment.

[Maggie_T]

I'm going to back-track, something I said I wouldn't do (but as I've explained before and elsewhere, I am a woman, it's my perogative to change my mind, :smirky:),

I also backtracked from that, and I'd also said I wouldn't. But it's got less to do with being a woman and everything to do with being scared shitless of the Bride of Satan.

As I said elsewhere, Hillary will be death for the country. And nobody recovers from death.

[Venus de Smilo]

Ya know I keep hearing that but Im still not SEEING it... His numbers have him in a solid 2nd of the entire rest of the field - 2nd position after only entering the race a month back while the rest of the field has been dancing and singing all Summer...

How is that a state of malaise and lethargy?

Be careful children - Beware of the subtle siren call of the MSM... Listen not to their lies... Watch with your eyes... If we hadn't heard so many "pundants" saying lately that Fred is flagging, none of us would look at his poll numbers and read it that way...

Fred is being attacked from the Left and the (so called) Right... Which just tells me the exact opposite of what the media is saying... It tells me that all his opponents are terrified of a candidate who has snatched 2nd position in the primary race after only one month of campaigning... Shall I list the names of candidates on both sides who would sell their children to be in the position Fred is in?

My God, people, what does this guy have to do to get respect?:brow:

Thompson only has value to us conservatives if he can get to the WH. In order to do that, he has to win. If Thompson can't demonstrate that he will be a match for Hillary and her campaign machine such that he can win the election, he doesn't deserve the nomination no matter how much we like and respect him because the most important thing to our future is to deny Hillary the WH. It's not about Thompson or any other candidate. It's about us and the future of our country. The prez works for We the People, remember?

If a solid conservative (or semi-solid) like Thompson can't wrest the nomination from a moderate like Rudy in a primary of voters thirsting for a true conservative candidate, what does that tell you about his campaign and organizational skills? Hillary has a ruthless, goliath campaign infrastructure in place like we've never seen before, not even when Bubba ran. She will be extremely difficult to beat; not because of who she is but because of what she is and the forces at her disposal that she will bring to bear. Hillary is going to run a holacaust of a general campaign and we have to have a nominee who can meet that challenge. Please tell me ONE thing Thompson has done that indicates he can meet that. Thompson is in second place in many polls, but broadly he's dropped from where he was when people were still just anticipating his candidacy. He isn't pulling in the money nor the organizational professionals he needs to build what's needed to confront Hillary's machine. He hasn't shown the "fire in the belly" to really fight for the job of president, he isn't up to speed on the issues, he doesn't have specific proposals to deal with key issues, and his campaign people are a bunch of amateurs.

The question about Thompson is not whether he is worthy of respect or if he's conservative enough, blah, blah, blah. We know he is. The question is can he get it together to defeat Hillary? At this moment in time, the answer is no. He's had as much time as everyone else to organize, put together his campaign, and prepare himself on the issues and he hasn't done it. Is that due to laziness, lack of political savvy, arrogance, or is he just playing around with this? I don't know the answer, but if he really wants to lead then it's damn time for him to get down and do it. Personally, I think he needs a swift kick in the ass.

Person Thompson, yeah, great guy......candidate Thompson, not measuring up to what we need to win in the general. It's time to stop idolizing the man and start examining his prospects.

[Maggie_T]

The only thing I can say is Thompson is only starting. Let's give him at least the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he'll improve with time.

So far, I must admit - much as I might not want to - that the only one who gives me the impression of being able to bitch-slap The Bitch is Rudy. I cannot for the life of me say that I got the same impression from the other 'pub candidates.

Make no mistake. With Hitlery ruthlessness is the only thing that will work. She has to be slapped - and slapped hard - from the very beginning. Any excuse (chivalry, gentlemanliness, etc.) not to will be a complete and total waste. Never mind how the drive-by media and the feminazis shriek that she's been abused by the Evil White Male (and they will; remember Lazio). Go for the jugular, put a stake through the heart (or whatever she has in place of that), shoot a silver bullet at her. Whatever it takes. But be sure she is defeated for good. Otherwise, all is lost.

She says that women can meet men half way in everything. Good. Make the most of it.

[Seabee]

Make no mistake. With Hitlery ruthlessness is the only thing that will work. She has to be slapped - and slapped hard - from the very beginning. Any excuse (chivalry, gentlemanliness, etc.) will be a complete and total waste.

Very correct, Hitlery, is identical to the Arab world. The only thing she understands is power or its display. Good old Machiavelli put it best when dealing with people like Hitlery, he said,"If an injury has to be done to a man/woman it should be so severe that his/her vengeance need not be feared."

[Maggie_T]

Wise bloke that Machiavelli. No wonder he is still read/remembered after 500+ years. :claps:

[Venus de Smilo]

The only thing I can say is Thompson is only starting. Let's give him at least the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he'll improve with time.

So far, I must admit - much as I might not want to - that the only one who gives me the impression of being able to bitch-slap The Bitch is Rudy. I cannot for the life of me say that I got the same impression from the other 'pub candidates.

Make no mistake. With Hitlery ruthlessness is the only thing that will work. She has to be slapped - and slapped hard - from the very beginning. Any excuse (chivalry, gentlemanliness, etc.) not to will be a complete and total waste. Never mind how the drive-by media and the feminazis shriek that she's been abused by the Evil White Male (and they will; remember Lazio). Go for the jugular, put a stake through the heart (or whatever she has in place of that), shoot a silver bullet at her. Whatever it takes. But be sure she is defeated for good. Otherwise, all is lost.

She says that women can meet men half way in everything. Good. Make the most of it.

Maggie, Thompson has had the same amount of time as everyone else has had. Sure, he only announced a bit over a month ago, but all during the summer he had time to organize his campaign, recruit professionals, plan his attack and get up to speed in detail on the issues so he he would have command of the subject matter. He didn't do it and doesn't show signs of improving at this time.

We have to have a FIGHTER, not another "strong-conservative-but-weak-politician" Republican.

Agree with all the rest, of course.:biggrin:

[Venus de Smilo]

I don't want to appear as if I'm being worn down, but I'm at least understanding of where every one is coming from regarding Hillary. I don't fear her as much as I fear us NOT getting the Congressional seats needed to override her (not that one woud want to ride her, over or under, :smirky:).

At this point, however, the foot-stomping for Rudy vs. Hillary is WAY TOO PREMATURE. We have a primary coming up. I absolutely believe, with the exception of the nutjobs (Paul & McCain) that just about any of the candidates could beat Hillary if chosen as the nominee. I don't see Hillary as the shoe-in for President vs. the "R" candidate.

What I'm wanting to stress is we back the BEST candidate to be the nominee. I do not believe Rudy to be the BEST candidate, nor the BEST candidate to go up against Hillary. Therefore, UNTIL it comes down to the national election, the "R" vs. "D" I am not going to entertain thoughts of ANY candidate other than the BEST one for the nominee. At this point, I believe that to be Fred Thompson. I'm placing my bet that he'll get sharper as this political process chugs along ... he's been out of official politics for a while, it only makes sense he'd be a little rusty. It is also my hope that as the field begins to thin, and the other candidates drop by the way side, that they will choose to throw their weight and constituents/backers behind FDT over the other two (Rudy & Romney -- I believe McCain is simply unelectable, so I don't count him anymore).

I'm going to back-track, something I said I wouldn't do (but as I've explained before and elsewhere, I am a woman, it's my perogative to change my mind, :smirky:), I promise to rethink my vote IF Rudy gets the nomination -- BUT ONLY THEN. Until such time, I am placing all my chits on FDT, and I DO believe he will be the Republican nominee!

Homes, we're not going to win the senate back. We will not be able to override a veto or stop the senate 'rats. We have 24 senate seats up next year; the 'rats only have 6 or 7. Further, quite a few of ours will be open seats because of 'pub senators leaving office. The senate confirms the president's judicial nominees. If Hillary is elected, I do not exaggerate by saying Marxists will be appointed to the federal judiciary, which includes the SCOTUS, and easily confirmed by the senate. This could not be working out better for the far left and their long-term agenda than if we'd just stayed home for last year's election. Oh, wait.....many did.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Sis; I know that sometimes I don't always get my exact point across but if you would change the name on your post to The_Elucidator you have just mirrored my exact feelings (cept for the I am a woman part :rotflmbo:) Thank you! I knew there was a reason why I liked you so much.. :thumb:

I am nothing, if not reasonable, :lashes: (Although I HAVE been accused of being IRrational, UNreasonable, and ILlogical by some of the lefties as well as a few Freecers who don't share my staunch pro-life stance.) Don't worry, hun, no one would ever mistake you for the woman part, :smirky:.

What bothers me is the (apparent) belief that ONLY Rudy can successfully go up against Hitlery and win -- I do not share that belief, and I'm not willing to concede the race ESPECIALLY when there is a viable candidate (FDT) who I feel has just as good a case, if not better! FDT can deliver the religious right vote -- Rudy cannot. FDT can win over many of the undecideds -- I don't believe Rudy can, he's too polarizing.

JUST because he was the Mayor of NY during 9/11, and JUST because he is viewed more favorably by those on his "handling" of it vs. Hitlery, that's NOT enoug to say he's the only one who can beat her.

As I have said, IF Rudy ends up with the nomination I WILL seriously reconsder whether I will compromise my vote (once again). But NOT UNTIL THEN, so don't ask me to (and that's not directed at you brudder Luc, but in general).

FDT is my choice. FDT is who I will be voting for in the primary (barring some unforseen tragedy, scandal, etc.) Until the primary is over, and the nominee set in stone (so to speak), I have no intention of doing anything to damage FDT's chances, and I'm not throwing in the towel to Rudy out of fear of Hitlery.

[Venus de Smilo]

I am nothing, if not reasonable, :lashes: (Although I HAVE been accused of being IRrational, UNreasonable, and ILlogical by some of the lefties as well as a few Freecers who don't share my staunch pro-life stance.) Don't worry, hun, no one would ever mistake you for the woman part, :smirky:.

What bothers me is the (apparent) belief that ONLY Rudy can successfully go up against Hitlery and win -- I do not share that belief, and I'm not willing to concede the race ESPECIALLY when there is a viable candidate (FDT) who I feel has just as good a case, if not better! FDT can deliver the religious right vote -- Rudy cannot. FDT can win over many of the undecideds -- I don't believe Rudy can, he's too polarizing.

JUST because he was the Mayor of NY during 9/11, and JUST because he is viewed more favorably by those on his "handling" of it vs. Hitlery, that's NOT enoug to say he's the only one who can beat her.

As I have said, IF Rudy ends up with the nomination I WILL seriously reconsder whether I will compromise my vote (once again). But NOT UNTIL THEN, so don't ask me to (and that's not directed at you brudder Luc, but in general).

FDT is my choice. FDT is who I will be voting for in the primary (barring some unforseen tragedy, scandal, etc.) Until the primary is over, and the nominee set in stone (so to speak), I have no intention of doing anything to damage FDT's chances, and I'm not throwing in the towel to Rudy out of fear of Hitlery.

I will be voting for Fred, too, IF he can show that he has the fire in the belly, a relaxed, detailed knowledge of the issues, the money and a campaign machine adroit enough to handle the dirty dealing Hillary's machine will throw at him. So far, and we're pretty far down the road now, he hasn't shown any of those abilities. If you have information to the contrary, please share it. I would appreciate the good news.

If Rudy gets the nomination, you can either compromise your vote or practice saying, "General Secretary Clinton" and kiss what is still good about this country goodbye forever. Oh, and while you're practicing, plan on getting a job to pay your tax increases instead of staying home to homeschool. She will outlaw homeschooling in a heartbeat anyway. Every child in America will be forced to attend their local public indoctrination youth camp under the threat of jailing the parents and taking the kids away from the parents for failure to comply. Some states are on the verge of that (and some may be there, but you would know those details better than I) and Hillary in the WH will seal the deal in all 50 states.

[gnome]

Everyone seems to be afraid of a dictator-hillary... wouldn't that require charisma and support from the military? Neither seems very likely.

I half-expect her to have so little general appeal that she can barely accomplish anything even if she is elected.

[Seabee]

I half-expect her to have so little general appeal that she can barely accomplish anything even if she is elected.

Not true if she has a Demonratic Congress backing her attempts at economic warfare against foreign markets, socialized Hitlery care, gutting the military to where it is a non entity, coddling illegal immigrants, devaluing industry, and just generally increasing dependency on the government.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I will be voting for Fred, too, IF he can show that he has the fire in the belly, a relaxed, detailed knowledge of the issues, the money and a campaign machine adroit enough to handle the dirty dealing Hillary's machine will throw at him. So far, and we're pretty far down the road now, he hasn't shown any of those abilities. If you have information to the contrary, please share it. I would appreciate the good news.

Well, he's definitely better than Rudy, and I absolutely believe he can beat Hillary. And at least by voting for him, I don't have to feel like I need several baths with bleach to wash the blood of murdered pre-born children off of me. Call me a one-issue voter if you want, but I am INTIMATELY familiar with that particular "issue," and you bet your bottom dollar it affects MY vote. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

If Rudy gets the nomination, you can either compromise your vote or practice saying, "General Secretary Clinton" and kiss what is still good about this country goodbye forever. Oh, and while you're practicing, plan on getting a job to pay your tax increases instead of staying home to homeschool. She will outlaw homeschooling in a heartbeat anyway. Every child in America will be forced to attend their local public indoctrination youth camp under the threat of jailing the parents and taking the kids away from the parents for failure to comply. Some states are on the verge of that (and some may be there, but you would know those details better than I) and Hillary in the WH will seal the deal in all 50 states.

Welp, since I'm a Christian, I guess I'll just have to trust that the Lord knows what He's doing. I have to be true to my convictions -- they can't be bought, nor can I be frightened into compromising them. If she gains office, I don't plan on sitting by and letting her run roughshod. If I go down in the process, guess that's what will have to happen. Again, I don't have to compromise my principles, I know the end of the story. You do your thing, and I'll do mine.

[Maggie_T]

Maggie, Thompson has had the same amount of time as everyone else has had. Sure, he only announced a bit over a month ago, but all during the summer he had time to organize his campaign, recruit professionals, plan his attack and get up to speed in detail on the issues so he he would have command of the subject matter. He didn't do it and doesn't show signs of improving at this time.

We have to have a FIGHTER, not another "strong-conservative-but-weak-politician" Republican.

Agree with all the rest, of course.:biggrin:

(shrug) I make no bones of the fact that I'll vote whoever gets the 'pub nomination. And the reason why I'll do it is because NOBODY could possibly be worse than Hillary. NO.BO.DY.

I'm too pragmatical - or too cynical, if you prefer - to keep dreaming about "voting my conscience." Much as I may hate to admit it, it looks like we're condemned to forever vote to keep the wolf at the door. That's what happens when you live in a "democracy" and lefties are left to roam around unchecked. I'll just get used to that and deal with it. Jim voted for Ross Perot way back when. He still winces when he remembers that he contributed to get Blow Job Bill in the White House. Hevowed that he will never, ever, make the same mistake again. I think he's right. At least, he has the courage and honesty to admit his error.

No, voting my conscience for me is defeating leftism. It's a tough, ungrateful job, but someone has to do it.

[Maggie_T]

Everyone seems to be afraid of a dictator-hillary... wouldn't that require charisma and support from the military? Neither seems very likely.




My dear gnome, your views are naive to the point of being almost virginal.

When you're dealing with Hillary, you must remember that you are also dealing with a complete and vast organization of leftists. People like George Soros, and all that. All of them determined to get leftism in power and all of them crooked enough to use whatever means available to them, regardless of ethics and all.

She doesn't need the support of the military. She has the support of the left, of MoveOn, of feminazis, and the drive-by media. And whatever else I say about liberals, I always conceded that they are extremely well organized. That they have not succeeded until now is because they have been forced to deal with clowns like Kerry, Dean, Edwards, etc. I suspect that Hillary is different.


I half-expect her to have so little general appeal that she can barely accomplish anything even if she is elected.

Again, appeal has nothing to do with it. If she gets elected (shudders), she will make sure she accomplishes everything in her to do list. She won't need "appeal," she'll have the power. That's all she needs.

As a friend of mine said, Hillary is the only one who will go to God and Satan, and tell them both to get off her throne.

[Jack_Savage]

My dear gnome, your views are naive to the point of being almost virginal.

When you're dealing with Hillary, you must remember that you are also dealing with a complete and vast organization of leftists. People like George Soros, and all that. All of them determined to get leftism in power and all of them crooked enough to use whatever means available to them, regardless of ethics and all.

She doesn't need the support of the military. She has the support of the left, of MoveOn, of feminazis, and the drive-by media. And whatever else I say about liberals, I always conceded that they are extremely well organized. That they have not succeeded until now is because they have been forced to deal with clowns like Kerry, Dean, Edwards, etc. I suspect that Hillary is different.




Again, appeal has nothing to do with it. If she gets elected (shudders), she will make sure she accomplishes everything in her to do list. She won't need "appeal," she'll have the power. That's all she needs.

As a friend of mine said, Hillary is the only one who will go to God and Satan, and tell them both to get off her throne.
She is like some Soros Gipsy Princess. check out the link. its part of the Open Society program in the east-bloc countrys. Who knows what kind of world authority order she is contimplating.

http://snap.archivum.ws/dspace/handle/10039/785

http://snap.archivum.ws/dspace/index.jsp

http://www.soros.org/


I don't understand why in-depth investigations into his entire network have not been revealed. And what roles the Clintons have participated.

[Venus de Smilo]

(shrug) I make no bones of the fact that I'll vote whoever gets the 'pub nomination. And the reason why I'll do it is because NOBODY could possibly be worse than Hillary. NO.BO.DY.

I'm too pragmatical - or too cynical, if you prefer - to keep dreaming about "voting my conscience." Much as I may hate to admit it, it looks like we're condemned to forever vote to keep the wolf at the door. That's what happens when you live in a "democracy" and lefties are left to roam around unchecked. I'll just get used to that and deal with it. Jim voted for Ross Perot way back when. He still winces when he remembers that he contributed to get Blow Job Bill in the White House. Hevowed that he will never, ever, make the same mistake again. I think he's right. At least, he has the courage and honesty to admit his error.

No, voting my conscience for me is defeating leftism. It's a tough, ungrateful job, but someone has to do it.

" No, voting my conscience for me is defeating leftism. It's a tough, ungrateful job, but someone has to do it."

Never, never have I heard that put more succinctly. That's it exactly, tied up in one nice, neat nutshell. Hat tip to you, and may I borrow it from time to time?:thumb:

[Venus de Smilo]

Well, he's definitely better than Rudy, and I absolutely believe he can beat Hillary. And at least by voting for him, I don't have to feel like I need several baths with bleach to wash the blood of murdered pre-born children off of me. Call me a one-issue voter if you want, but I am INTIMATELY familiar with that particular "issue," and you bet your bottom dollar it affects MY vote. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.



Welp, since I'm a Christian, I guess I'll just have to trust that the Lord knows what He's doing. I have to be true to my convictions -- they can't be bought, nor can I be frightened into compromising them. If she gains office, I don't plan on sitting by and letting her run roughshod. If I go down in the process, guess that's what will have to happen. Again, I don't have to compromise my principles, I know the end of the story. You do your thing, and I'll do mine.

When you vote, you're making a bet on the future. It's sort of like buying insurance. Either you want to make the best of a bad situation so that you have the passage of time to improve matters, or you want to "die" knowing that you stuck to your private principles rather than used the good mind God gave you to do the best you could for yourself, the future of your kids and all of those who come after us. Maggie summed it up best:

" No, voting my conscience for me is defeating leftism. It's a tough, ungrateful job, but someone has to do it."

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

When you vote, you're making a bet on the future. It's sort of like buying insurance. Either you want to make the best of a bad situation so that you have the passage of time to improve matters, or you want to "die" knowing that you stuck to your private principles rather than used the good mind God gave you to do the best you could for yourself, the future of your kids and all of those who come after us. Maggie summed it up best:

" No, voting my conscience for me is defeating leftism. It's a tough, ungrateful job, but someone has to do it."

Whatever you say, Venus. :rolleyes:

[Maggie_T]

" No, voting my conscience for me is defeating leftism. It's a tough, ungrateful job, but someone has to do it."

Never, never have I heard that put more succinctly. That's it exactly, tied up in one nice, neat nutshell. Hat tip to you, and may I borrow it from time to time?:thumb:


Be my guest, hon. :D

[Venus de Smilo]

Whatever you say, Venus. :rolleyes:

People like you seem to view your vote as putting your imprimatur on everything that candidate stands for but, in reality, voting is the democratic means by which we choose the candidate most likely to see to our interests through his upholding of the constitution. If you think staying home rather than voting for Rudy or somebody other than Thompson so that Hillary wins is more beneficial to you and your family, then that's what you will do, and you can live with your conscience as the upshot of your decision unfolds during Hillary's reign. If you don't think it's the best choice for you and your family, you'll vote for the 'pub, no matter who it is. In the end, we all vote what is best for us now and in the future, not what our conscience tells us to do. You may think that and say that, but ultimately you will do what is best for you and yours even if you have to internally give up bragging rights about your "conscience." As a homeschooler and a patriot, you have a lot to lose if Hillary Clinton becomes the next president of the United States.

Think about it.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

People like you ...

Don't lecture me woman, you don't even have the slightest idea who I am, what I am about, or anything about my voting habits/history. Just because I don't to conform to YOUR standards, doesn't mean I don't have any.

I'm serious, stop making this personal, Venus. :shame:

[Venus de Smilo]

Don't lecture me woman, you don't even have the slightest idea who I am, what I am about, or anything about my voting habits/history. Just because I don't to conform to YOUR standards, doesn't mean I don't have any.

I'm serious, stop making this personal, Venus. :shame:

You made it personal through your innuendo in previous posts, Homes.

You tell a great deal about yourself on this forum, so I as well as others do have an idea of what you're about and it's all favorable, imo. As to your voting habits, you've stated how you will vote and why, and you have in past elections as well.

I'm not suggesting you conform to my standards. I'm suggesting you wake up and smell the coffee and figure out what YOUR standards are going to be. The reality is that Thompson is not taking this race like a storm as we hoped and thought he would. He's doing worse since he (finally) entered the race than he was doing when his candidacy was anticipated. Are your standards to back a loser and then let the country go to Hell because you're sad or sulking about your guy losing/your hope not being fulfilled, or are you going to do the best you can to fight to save this country and your progeny from a power-hungry, Marxist bully?

Maybe that's a difficult question for you. It isn't for me.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I'm suggesting ...

I don't give a rat's patoot WHAT you think about the way I vote. I NEVER addressed my post to you or quoted you (like you did MY posts, #46 & #48); if you read "personal" address in every inuendo you read, that's your problem not mine.

You DON'T know me, you may know what share on here, but that's certainly not enough to give you the right to lecture or disparage me.

I tried to end it (1-You do your thing, and I'll do mine; 2-Whatever you say, Venus), and yet you still continue on.

Let me be crystal clear, I'm not suggesting, I'm telling you flat out ... Leave Me Alone.

[Maggie_T]

Ladies, please. We're supposed to be on the same side. Why don't we concentrate on what unites us, instead of on what divides us. :(

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Maggie_T:
Moo, you know I love you to death. But in this case I must side with Venus and Luc. With the Bride of Satan running we no longer can afford the luxury of attitude. Hillary will be DEATH to this country. And nobody recovers from death.

:unsmile: Let me make myself perfectly clear. I resent this idea that the Republican party can usher The Ghoul into his coronation, then smugly intone that the reason I should vote for him is "he's not Hillary". If the Republican party pulls that crap, then they have sold us out & the party can go to Hell, for all I care. Yes, Hitlery will ruin this country, but I have no doubt that The Ghoul will, too. I've offered this analogy many times, but here it goes again. Whether we have Hitlery or The Ghoul at the helm, this country is going to Hell on a handcar. The only difference is that Hitlery will pump it a little faster; but not by much.

[Timberwolf]

:unsmile: Let me make myself perfectly clear. I resent this idea that the Republican party can usher The Ghoul into his coronation, then smugly intone that the reason I should vote for him is "he's not Hillary". If the Republican party pulls that crap, then they have sold us out & the party can go to Hell, for all I care. Yes, Hitlery will ruin this country, but I have no doubt that The Ghoul will, too. I've offered this analogy many times, but here it goes again. Whether we have Hitlery or The Ghoul at the helm, this country is going to Hell on a handcar. The only difference is that Hitlery will pump it a little faster; but not by much.
I think I may have to "step back" from my prior stance of not even considering voting for him.

The reason being the 3 Supreme Court vacancies that will likely become reality. Hitlery will nominate 3 VERY young Marxists which means we'll loose the Court for 30-40 more years. Rudy has stated, and emphatically so, he will choose Justices in the vein of Thomas and Scalia...dunno 'bout that. I only know for CERTAIN, I can't stomach the Bader-Ginsbergs (or worse) the Shrill One will DEFINATELY appoint.

And, as Venus stated, the Pubs have 24 seats in the Senate up for grabs compared to 6 or 7 for the demunists. Were we guaranteed 41 seats, that would be one thing...but, we'll have to live with the SC for FAR longer than the 1 or 2 terms she may serve.

But, you know what...you're right. Unless the republicans go back to their roots (conservatism), it really don't amount to a hill of beans. If they continue down the path to all-out liberalism by nominating a liberal (Rudy)...SCROOM.

[Venus de Smilo]

I don't give a rat's patoot WHAT you think about the way I vote. I NEVER addressed my post to you or quoted you (like you did MY posts, #46 & #48); if you read "personal" address in every inuendo you read, that's your problem not mine.

You DON'T know me, you may know what share on here, but that's certainly not enough to give you the right to lecture or disparage me.

I tried to end it (1-You do your thing, and I'll do mine; 2-Whatever you say, Venus), and yet you still continue on.

Let me be crystal clear, I'm not suggesting, I'm telling you flat out ... Leave Me Alone.

You're right, Homes. It shouldn't matter to you what I think. But then, I never said or implied that it should, so that's COMPLETELY beside the point.

What matters is what you and your kids think ten years from now about how you voted.

Anyway, shout at me all you want - it doesn't change the issue which you keep avoiding in favor of trying to shout me and the subject down, which is how you plan to aid in bringing Hillary Clinton into office.

"nuff said. You figure it out, woman.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Timberwolf:
I think I may have to "step back" from my prior stance of not even considering voting for him.

:unsmile: I'll join you as soon as The Ghoul promises to appoint justices who will pledge to overturn Roe vs. Wade. If he tells one more pro-abortion audience that he's committed to keeping Roe intact, I'll vote Constitutionalist.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

You're right, Homes.

You should have just stopped there.

YOU are the one who can't read. YOU are the one that jumped on MY post(s). Go back and re-read posts #28 & #47, perhaps you need to up the prescription on your glasses. I have come off my concrete stance somewhat, and HAVE been listening to what OTHERS have been saying (thank you brudder Luc, sister Maggie). YOU picked MY post(s) to go on about when you obviously didn't even READ them.

[Venus de Smilo]

You should have just stopped there.

YOU are the one who can't read. YOU are the one that jumped on MY post(s). Go back and re-read posts #28 & #47, perhaps you need to up the prescription on your glasses. I have come off my concrete stance somewhat, and HAVE been listening to what OTHERS have been saying (thank you brudder Luc, sister Maggie). YOU picked MY post(s) to go on about when you obviously didn't even READ them.
Why, YOU YOU YOU, you homeschooler you! ;) Don't get yourself in such an uproar. Either you get it or you don't, and if you don't want people to reply to you, then don't post.

*SHRUG*

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

if you don't want people to reply to you, then don't post.

No, I should have gone with my first instinct, I should have ignored you. Lesson learned.

[Venus de Smilo]

A more important lesson than your indignation would be how to not help Hillary get into the oval office. I guess that's why you decided to try to change the subject.