I've been for Rudy since 9/11

[Jack_Savage]

I have to apologize for not being up on some of the other candidates, but a transfromation took place the way Rudy approached his leadership duty after 9/11. He wasn't campaigning, no. He simply had his eye on the ball. And because of that, the American people hit it out of the park. His view of Americans brought out the best in us. I think that had a lasting impact on President Bush. Rudy simply moved this country and restored the needed grit to face the job. He was so beautiful. You don't fake that. You don't just suit that up. There is a genuine person in that guy. He is a natural leader and we need that more today than ever before in the history of this nation.

I was listening to someone on Tv, talk about his recommending Benard Kerick for Homeland Security chief. Like Rudy should have his hat in his hand about The guy. Like it was a flaw in Rudy. Listen, Rudy knows how to pick effective people, and Bernard was one. When the citizens of New Yorks safety were at stake, Benard knew how to shut it down. Roll up his sleaves and clean up the streets. He new how to impliment a police force that, without abusing the citizens, restored appropriate order. We need more of that. I don't know what Bernard is accused of, and really don't care, he got a tough job done, and Rudy picked him. Saw the needed ingrediants.

Same thing with all of his appointments. I never got the feeling petty personal politics had a thing to do with who he appointed. I got the feeling that everyone of them loved what they were doing and greatly respected Rudy.

I like Fred too. I would like to see them debate, not because I doubt Rudy or Fred but to confirm for all to see, who has the stuff needed in that top spot. But if Fred doesn't tie up a date with Rudy, if he can, it maybe too late for him, time is of the essence. Rudy has so many commitments he simply may not be able to go back on his word and cancel to meet with Fred. Fred waited so long, while the locomotive kept gaining steam.

Sure Freds still in the race, but as to setting up a debate with just Rudy, an in-depth one-on-one event takes time and planning. Its a big job. I'd like to see it but I would like to see Fred get on about setting it up or it won't happen. I would hope Rudy would extend Fred the courtesy, but I don't expect to see him bending over backwards and producing the whole thing. Fred has to show some desire about this campaign in my opinion. Gumption.

Anyway all I am saying is consider what you felt like after 9/11 and the way Rudy created from just his way, a sense that everything would be Ok. A sense that nothing could stop him from fixing what was in front of him. And he meant it. Nothing did.

The Democrats who tried to New't him like they did to New't and to Bush, were ineffective in doing it with Rudy. Rudy knows who to tap the needed systems on the shoulder and get matters handled. We need that hand of his again. He is an affable and nice guy, but don't let that fool anybody, he is one tough cookie. I haven't seen one person who wanted to harm him make him blink. Not one. You shake his hand you better mean it.

I ask everyone here to give Rudy a respectful hand..:claps:

[Venus de Smilo]

I have to apologize for not being up on some of the other candidates, but a transfromation took place the way Rudy approached his leadership duty after 9/11. He wasn't campaigning, no. He simply had his eye on the ball. And because of that, the American people hit it out of the park. His view of Americans brought out the best in us. I think that had a lasting impact on President Bush. Rudy simply moved this country and restored the needed grit to face the job. He was so beautiful. You don't fake that. You don't just suit that up. There is a genuine person in that guy. He is a natural leader and we need that more today than ever before in the history of this nation.

I was listening to someone on Tv, talk about his recommending Benard Kerick for Homeland Security chief. Like Rudy should have his hat in his hand about The guy. Like it was a flaw in Rudy. Listen, Rudy knows how to pick effective people, and Bernard was one. When the citizens of New Yorks safety were at stake, Benard knew how to shut it down. Roll up his sleaves and clean up the streets. He new how to impliment a police force that, without abusing the citizens, restored appropriate order. We need more of that. I don't know what Bernard is accused of, and really don't care, he got a tough job done, and Rudy picked him. Saw the needed ingrediants.

Same thing with all of his appointments. I never got the feeling petty personal politics had a thing to do with who he appointed. I got the feeling that everyone of them loved what they were doing and greatly respected Rudy.

I like Fred too. I would like to see them debate, not because I doubt Rudy or Fred but to confirm for all to see, who has the stuff needed in that top spot. But if Fred doesn't tie up a date with Rudy, if he can, it maybe too late for him, time is of the essence. Rudy has so many commitments he simply may not be able to go back on his word and cancel to meet with Fred. Fred waited so long, while the locomotive kept gaining steam.

Sure Freds still in the race, but as to setting up a debate with just Rudy, an in-depth one-on-one event takes time and planning. Its a big job. I'd like to see it but I would like to see Fred get on about setting it up or it won't happen. I would hope Rudy would extend Fred the courtesy, but I don't expect to see him bending over backwards and producing the whole thing. Fred has to show some desire about this campaign in my opinion. Gumption.

Anyway all I am saying is consider what you felt like after 9/11 and the way Rudy created from just his way, a sense that everything would be Ok. A sense that nothing could stop him from fixing what was in front of him. And he meant it. Nothing did.

The Democrats who tried to New't him like they did to New't and to Bush, were ineffective in doing it with Rudy. Rudy knows who to tap the needed systems on the shoulder and get matters handled. We need that hand of his again. He is an affable and nice guy, but don't let that fool anybody, he is one tough cookie. I haven't seen one person who wanted to harm him make him blink. Not one. You shake his hand you better mean it.

I ask everyone here to give Rudy a respectful hand..:claps:

Good post.
I'll give him a hand. :claps: He did a tremendous job as mayor both before and after 9/11. He clearly knows how to get things done, how to motivate people and whom to call on and draw into his team. I'm always happy to give a person his or her due. The man can think on his feet, too.

Rudy isn't conservative enough to suit me. Actually, Thompson isn't either. Few are. Hunter is my guy, but he's not going anywhere. Thompson will have my vote IF he can show me he has the ability and wherewithal to fight and beat Hillary Clinton. So far, he hasn't. If Thompson doesn't get with it, Rudy will have my vote. Thompson has dropped in the polls during the month since he announced his candidacy, which is a real bad sign. His campaign is in disarray and he seems sort of lost and bewildered right now, which is also not promising.

I agree Thompson waited too long. Rudy got up a head of steam, put together a good campaign team, and took the bull by the horns while Thompson idled. It may well be too late for Thompson to pull it together, but I'm not writing him off just yet.

The most important goal is to keep Hillary out of the White House. Right now, it looks like Rudy is in the best position to do that.

[Seabee]

He is an affable and nice guy, but don't let that fool anybody, he is one tough cookie.
Ruddy is anything but a nice guy, he is ruthless, cuthroat, undermining, and down right nasty. Now on to his character flaws.... Obvioulsy, I am half joking. Rudy does have one side to him that is very appealing, he has guts and is not afraid of a good fight. But his North Eastern view on social issues make him a hard pill to swallow, but he is far better than Hitlery. Republican conservatives are starting to remind me of what goes as a conservative in Cannuckistan.

[Venus de Smilo]

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Ruddy is anything but a nice guy, he is ruthless, cuthroat, undermining, and down right nasty. Now on to his character flaws.... Obvioulsy, I am half joking. Rudy does have one side to him that is very appealing, he has guts and is not afraid of a good fight. But his North Eastern view on social issues make him a hard pill to swallow, but he is far better than Hitlery. Republican conservatives are starting to remind me of what goes as a conservative in Cannuckistan.
Then it sounds like he may be the only one up to the task of beating Hillary. We need the toughest SOB of the lot to run against her. I sure haven't seen the killer instinct in any of the other top tier candidates thus far and the clock is ticking.

[Seabee]

From a philisophical stance, as a conservative, Rudy is the wrong choice. From a realistic standpoint, Rudy is the one to beat the finger pointing sow.

[Lubbock]

I'm for anyone who can beat the Democrat[ick] ticket, whomever the Demz put up.

If that's Rudy, he's got my vote.

There is no such thing as a Perfet Republican Candidate [although you'd never know that from some of the posts here].

There is however, a Perfet Democrat Candidate --and that is whomever the Demz run, because if a Dem gets to the White House, we are surely doomed.

[Trevelyan]

Rudy should expand his vocabulary beyond saying "9/11".....

That is beyond pathetic how he is opposed to tougher gun control now because of 9/11, despite the fact he supported some sort of gun control thing back in 2004. Furthermore, we all know that the guns we are not allowed to bring on a plane anyway would have allowed us to prevent the hijackings on 9/11.

[Jack_Savage]

Rudy should expand his vocabulary beyond saying "9/11".....

That is beyond pathetic how he is opposed to tougher gun control now because of 9/11, despite the fact he supported some sort of gun control thing back in 2004. Furthermore, we all know that the guns we are not allowed to bring on a plane anyway would have allowed us to prevent the hijackings on 9/11.
What would lead you to conclude that Rudy should follow what you think is right? What have you demonstrated at producing winning results? What plans or ideas have you offered?

[Trevelyan]

..... I don't see the relevance of what you said to the post of mine you quoted.

But anyway, did you chip in the $9.11 to Rudy's campaign that he requested? My point is that he exploits 9/11 to a nauseating degree. As Jon Stewart noted not too long ago, he has 9/11 Tourette's.

[Lubbock]

Rudy is the only candidate on either side who has every right and reason to have, "9/11 Tourette's."

I can't think of any past Mayor of New York City who could have been trusted to bring the city through 9/11.

It was all of the past mayors of NYC who got it into the condition it was in when Rudy took the helm.

Had he not taken the city to where it was at the exact moment of 9/11, NYC would now be in the same shape that New Orleans is in.

Look at the cesspool that NO was when Katrina hit, and it has only deteriorated. NO needs to be bulldozed.

NYC was standing right on the brink of, "no return," when Rudy took over, and the city would be in the same shape as New Orleans now if anyone other than Rudy had been leading the city on 9/11.

You can argue that point from now until Gabriel blows his horn, but visible, provable results are hard to ignore and/or deny --try as you will.

[Trevelyan]

Rudy is the only candidate on either side who has every right and reason to have, "9/11 Tourette's."

I can't think of any past Mayor of New York City who could have been trusted to bring the city through 9/11.

It was all of the past mayors of NYC who got it into the condition it was in when Rudy took the helm.

Had he not taken the city to where it was at the exact moment of 9/11, NYC would now be in the same shape that New Orleans is in.

Look at the cesspool that NO was when Katrina hit, and it has only deteriorated. NO needs to be bulldozed.

NYC was standing right on the brink of, "no return," when Rudy took over, and the city would be in the same shape as New Orleans now if anyone other than Rudy had been leading the city on 9/11.

You can argue that point from now until Gabriel blows his horn, but visible, provable results are hard to ignore and/or deny --try as you will.


Again, the relevance to my quoted post?

I was not saying anything about Rudy's leadership in transforming NYC or during 9/11.

[Beowulf]

Then it sounds like he may be the only one up to the task of beating Hillary. We need the toughest SOB of the lot to run against her. I sure haven't seen the killer instinct in any of the other top tier candidates thus far and the clock is ticking.
Here we go again, people trying to ram "consider the alternative" down some of our throats even though Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican's clothing.
The only issue I think he'll be effective on is terrorism. THAT'S IT!! He's
pro-choice, anti-gun and socially Liberal. I'm not going to support a candidate when I only agree with one issue with them.

[Jack_Savage]

..... I don't see the relevance of what you said to the post of mine you quoted.

But anyway, did you chip in the $9.11 to Rudy's campaign that he requested? My point is that he exploits 9/11 to a nauseating degree. As Jon Stewart noted not too long ago, he has 9/11 Tourette's.
Its relevant as to where your coming from. A metaphor for back seat vision drivers who constantly point to what a conservative did wrong. You never point to some plan of your own for conservatives to win.

Your posts resemble the natural state of far-left thinking not of conservative thought. Instead of complaining about the question, why not just answer it. Put down your plan, your ideas. Instead of being defensive. Taking poc shots at one of the contenders.

[Trevelyan]

One comment Trev, if thats what you like to be called, quit spending so much time viewing whats gone by, looking out the back-seat at what others have done. Pointing to their flaws. Its not natural, twisting around in that position, always pointing to what someone did that was wrong. You could herniate a disc. Offer some light to the future. Show some of your ideas. What you would do in supporting the plans you have for the future. Stand up and give some straight talk.

Give straight talk about what? Plans for what? Terrorism? I don't have plans for combating terrorism, nor is that something I need to devise. I have my own ideas concerning other subjects, but I don't know anything about combating terrorism other than saying I really have no problem with profiling.

Are you a doctor? I see the medical seal on each of your posts. Remember what I said about that twisted position, you risk a political neurotomy. Burns bro.

I am a first year medical student.

By the way, I don't believe you mentioned the extent of your involvment with the deviant parades you comment on. Whats up with that?

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=51486

Post #15.

I think these parades are ridiculous and counterproductive, and they give others an undeserved bad name due to the public perceptions such events foster.

[Maggie_T]

Rudy runs too much on his 9/11 record, for my peace of mind. I feel like I'm been told "Uuuh, look at the moon!" so that they can take the candy from my hands.

Having said that, if Rudy gets the nomination, he'll also get my (reluctant) vote.

The most important goal is to keep Hillary out of the White House. Right now, it looks like Rudy is in the best position to do that.

Precisely. If Rudy proves to be the one, so be it.

Yes, it's nice to dream about snubbing those candidates that are not 100% in agreement with my views. But dreams won't keep The Bitch from away from the WH. Only more votes going to whoever her opponent is will. That's where I come in.

Am I a mercenary? You bet your sweet patootie, I am. If that's what it will take to keep the communist beast (whoever that may be) at bay, I'll be the mother of all mercenaries.

Politics is a dirty job, my friends. If the terminally pure are too squeamish to get down and dirty, I'll be happy to fill in.

And now, I'm sure I just earned some of my Freecer friends' horrified contempt. Me culpa, mea culpa, mea gravissima culpa (that's Latin, just in case someone was wondering).

[Jester21]

I generally like Rudy.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

And now, I'm sure I just earned some of my Freecer friends' horrified contempt.

Not mine, Sis. I understand where you're coming from (even if I don't quite agree with it :smirky:).

Hitlery doesn't put as much fear in me (actually no fear, we survived Bill we can survive her, IF it's her alone), as losing ground in the Senate and House -- THAT scares me. Then she really COULD get her socialist agenda fast-tracked through. That is the only thing that is causing me to rethink my vote (in the national election, NOT the primary).

The real problem, as I see it, is that we've traveled too far down the snowball's hill to turn around. We've weakened the wine to the point of being ineffective and unpalatable. This gradual erosion of Conservatism has left us on jagged rocks with no path back to safety.

If we believe that we can't win with a Conservative, that it takes a RINO like Giuliani to beat a socialist like Hitlery, how in the world is that going to put us back on the road to Conservatism? We've lost on both accounts -- we lost the "heart" of the country because they aren't willing to sacrifice and suffer to put this country back on the right track, and we've lost the ability to regain the "heart" of thie country because the speedy roll is too fast for a stop and U-turn.

Has our goal become stopping Hitlery, or regaining the Conservative direction for the country? It sems somewhat apparent it's a fool's wish to expect both. If all we're willing to do is place a stop-gap in the wall, it won't be long before more cracks develop, and the rushing waters will be too swift and furious to hold back.

If it's REALLY as simple as stopping Hitlery from gaining office, fine. But I see that as only the battle, not the fundamental heart of the war.

(P.S. I'm having terrible keyboard problems, so I'm committing a lot of typing errors. Please bear with me until my Bubba gets paid and I can get a new keyboard, :smirky:)

[Rhino]

I've been for Rudy since 9/11Everybody makes mistakes. :evilgrin:

[Jack_Savage]

Rudy runs too much on his 9/11 record, for my peace of mind. I feel like I'm been told "Uuuh, look at the moon!" so that they can take the candy from my hands.

Having said that, if Rudy gets the nomination, he'll also get my (reluctant) vote.



Precisely. If Rudy proves to be the one, so be it.

Yes, it's nice to dream about snubbing those candidates that are not 100% in agreement with my views. But dreams won't keep The Bitch from away from the WH. Only more votes going to whoever her opponent is will. That's where I come in.

Am I a mercenary? You bet your sweet patootie, I am. If that's what it will take to keep the communist beast (whoever that may be) at bay, I'll be the mother of all mercenaries.

Politics is a dirty job, my friends. If the terminally pure are too squeamish to get down and dirty, I'll be happy to fill in.

And now, I'm sure I just earned some of my Freecer friends' horrified contempt. Me culpa, mea culpa, mea gravissima culpa (that's Latin, just in case someone was wondering).
I don't know if its Rudy talking about 9/11 or people like me who remember it. In a world where so many don't even know the year 9/11 happened or the city where it took place, I think its more than valid to bring up.

For me I hope it reminds people like Senator Reid, what we are fighting for. I hope it reminds Hillary what she was thinking when she voted to enter Iraq, and now condems President Bus for doing it. And I hope it reminds her supporters about Hillarys constant flip-flopping ,now calling for unconditional talks with Iran when just a few months ago, she called that view immature when Obama said the very same thing.

9/11 represents so much this country is facing, and it is tough contimplating the ramifications, but we got to suck it up and deal with them. Rudy has no reason to hold his hat in his hand concerning 9/11.

It is the appeasers who do. It is those who refuse to back this war waged against us who do. Those who find it more comfortable to think it didn't really happen who do. Those who have allready raised the white flag who need to face again what happened on 9/11. If we are all willing to die in this war waged against us, we will survive far longer than giving into the cowards.

Rudy represents what can be done and he can beat Hillary.

[Jack_Savage]

Everybody makes mistakes. :evilgrin:
We cannot afford any more mistakes with foriegn policy. Rudy has demonstrated a fierce focus and when he sinks his teeth into something, a magical bite. Doing many times what the doom and gloomers said simply could not be done. We need some more of that magic.

If Fred or anyone else can demonstrate the needed stamina and ability to put together a team which will do more than just listing what they are for, then I would be for it 100%. I'm sure you feel the same way. For the sake of us all, I hope I am correct.

Threatening someone, in this case the Iranian leadership and Iranian people, will lead nowhere," Putin said Monday during his trip to Germany. "They are not afraid, believe me."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3734773

[Rhino]

Rudy has demonstrated a fierce focus and when he sinks his teeth into something, a magical bite.That's what scares me. I don't doubt his tenacity, and it's a wonderful trait. It's what he'll focus on and sink his teeth into that scares me. Hillary has the same kind of tenacity, and I'm similarly afraid of what she might do. Tenacity is generally a good trait, but if it is directed towards something I don't want, it becomes a negative rather than a positive.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

He gave his word he was against abortion said he would not appoint choice to the bench.

His actions on behalf of this issue speak louder than his words. I don't trust him one eensie-weensie bit.

[Rhino]

No, I don't think he is stubborn. I get he is for producing good results. Resolute.I didn't mean stubborn. Tenacious implies a principled resoluteness. I was just saying that some of his principles don't agree with mine, so his tenacity would work against me in that regard.

I just found out about his connection to homosexual issues. Is that because of his personal friendships or politics? He gave his word he was against abortion said he would not appoint choice to the bench.

There is time for a closer view. We shall see.There's the homosexual thing, plus gun control, abortion and a few others. Admittedly, I agree with him on some important issues. But I disagree with him on enough other important issues that I just could not vote for him. But as you say, it's early, and we shall see.

[MarlinsFan]

If it's Rudy vs. Hitlery, I'd have to vote for Rudy, but that isn't something that as a conservative I am comfortable doing, mostly because of his anti-2nd amendment record. I could care less about his stance on gay issues, but unfortuntately his being pro-choice is something that is a very uncomfortable compromise for me.

[Jack_Savage]

I didn't mean stubborn. Tenacious implies a principled resoluteness. I was just saying that some of his principles don't agree with mine, so his tenacity would work against me in that regard.

There's the homosexual thing, plus gun control, abortion and a few others. Admittedly, I agree with him on some important issues. But I disagree with him on enough other important issues that I just could not vote for him. But as you say, it's early, and we shall see.
I meant Hillary is stubborn. No I think of loyalty when I use the term resolute. It carrys with it a deeper faith, without deciet. His personality traits oooze out of him in an comfortable balance. Affable and firm temperment. Not such a fine a mannerism where he becomes too emotional. He can face tough opponents with ease. If he needs to speak plainly, Putin my think he is a bit coarse, but thats what I want in these times. I think he can be counted on to keep his word. He has demonstrated that. But look Rhino, we shall see. I will consider Fred. I don't care if you refuse to consider Rudy. I am not selling anything. Just sharing.

What makes the decision tough for me Fred has similar traits. Its just the gumption part. The fierce loyalty, maybe that is a difference. But Fred is also comfortable in his skin. So lets see what he's got.

[Suzie]

His actions on behalf of this issue speak louder than his words. I don't trust him one eensie-weensie bit.

Same for me. :claps:

[Suzie]

Rudy is quick on his feet. Nimble. Stick and move. Spontanious. He is a believer. I am reminded of something the doctor said on another thread when counseling another member about real purpose. A true conservative doesn't rehearse. It come naturallly.

You just described Bill Clinton if you leave out the conservative part (and you should when speaking of Rudy) he was just as you say, and that's only good for the politician, not the people who vote for them. They try to convince you of something they want you to think they believe ... just long enough to get them elected.

Slick Rudy. Hmmm

[TeenageRepublican]

If Rudy does end up being the top choice for the republicans, I won't have that much of an issue. Anybody other than the following people would be good:
Liberal Democrats
Ron Paul
Communists