Anybody Watched The Debate?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Sitting here screaming at my television set every single time that IDIOT Ron Paul opens his mouth. Why in the WORLD is he being allowed in a REPUBLICAN debate is beyond me. The man is a total LOON!

I expected much more from a FOX debate. Focus only on a few, throw a few bones to the boys on the outside (except nutso Paul, given him a platform), that seems to be the script.

Anybody else watch it, and what do you think?

EDIT: I think FOX news is pushing Giuliani down our throats, and it's really ticking me off. FIRST candidate they interview is him. They do "quick poll" of the focus group and ask if McCain won or Giuliani won, NOTHING about Thompson, Huckabee ... I am TIRED OF THE MEDIA trying to tell me, or trying to push me, to vote for who they want.

Does anyone know, is Hannity backing the Ghoul?
Okay, I'm better ... still ticked they focused on the Ghoul too much, but now they're talking to Fred. Good!

[Patriot Heart]

Shawn seems to like Rudy. I truly think it is a case of "who is going to protect our country" going on. He proved his mettle as Mayor so that sells to alot of people. I have such misgivings. I can't bear the thought of a Hillary/Obama tag team making it, yet I want to be able to vote my conscience. It's a tough one for me.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

PH, I know what you mean. Was having this very discussion with Bubba this morning. I'm 98% solid on who I am going to vote for in the Primary, that's a lock, but should (please, oh please no) the Ghoul get the nod, I'm going to have to pray hard (will probably fast, as Moo suggested) to seek what to do. I'm fairly certain we are going to lose Congressional seats, that we will be faced with a democrat majority. With that in mind, knowing the next President amost assuredly will be nominating new SCOTUS members, we simply CAN'T have a liberal Congress AND a liberal President, especially when we KNOW the candidate IS going to be Hitlery.

[Jack_Savage]

Hillary lost tonight, big. She simply scares everyone, and rightly so. Rudys comment about how she is for so many spending programs the country can't afford it, is a stunning and puzzling platform for her to campaign on.

Rudy, Fred, McCain, Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, Tancredo all did good tonight, but the big winner was this countrys realization, that Hillary spells BAD for America.

[Riverboat]

There were some very good points scored tonight by everyone. As much as I don't like McCain, even he managed to get the audience up on their feet following his comment about Hillary's attempt to fund a Woodstock Museum.

"I'm sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. But I couldn't be there. I was kind of tied up."

To his credit, he also took the question very seriously, and reminded the audience that a Hillary presidency would be VERY bad for the nation.

Incidentally, Rudy Gee made some very convincing comments regarding educational choices for parents, including home-schooling. One more thing: He DID clean up Times Square from the squalor of porn and prostitution.

Sigh! If only Ah-nold would just drop a Lysol Bomb on San Francisco.

[Venus de Smilo]

I watched the debate, the pre-debate, and the post-debate discussion. I agree with Homes. Ron Paul is a very marginal candidate, yet he got more time than the other second-tier candidates such as Hunter and Tancredo. I cannot understand this. Paul mostly comes off as a lunatic. He said some really dumb things in the post-debate session as well. Just unbelievable. Thankfully, the 'rats have their crosses to bear too, such as Joe Biden and Chris Dodd, although neither are as off-the-wall as Ron Paul. I hope Fox didn't do this just to stir controversy. Carl Cameron seemed to be trying to do that in his questioning of the candidates and his post-debate punditry.

AFAIK, Hannity is backing ROMNEY, whom I loathe.

I don't view Fox as pushing Rudy. He's the frontrunner so he's going to get more or the best air time.

Thompson was the only candidate who was reading from notes instead of answering extemporaneously. That bugged me. Again he seemed to have no passion, no fire in the belly, but he looked better and actually did better than he did last time.

Once again, the surprise was the good presentation by Huckabee. He's holding his own very well. If Hunter drops out, and if Thompson doesn't improve, I may become a Huckabee supporter. He thinks on his feet and is very articulate and focused.

Rudy did well, McCain did himself some good, and Hunter was stupendous during the brief amount of time he had. Tancredo isn't going anywhere, either, but he acquitted himself well enough, I thought. I despise Romney so much I can't judge how he did.

Meanwhile, Hitlery is working on the center and swing votes, so having as many candidates as we have still standing is keeping us from competing against her for the broader field of voters. I wish Paul and Tancredo would drop out, for starters. Cull the herd.

Right now I see three candidates who have a command of the issues, a brisk tongue, a good presentation and think quickly on their feet - Hunter, Rudy and Huckabee. Of the three, Rudy's the only street fighter, although I sense fire in both Hunter and Huckabee.

That's my take.

[Marshwiggle]

Once again, the surprise was the good presentation by Huckabee. He's holding his own very well. If Hunter drops out, and if Thompson doesn't improve, I may become a Huckabee supporter. He thinks on his feet and is very articulate and focused.



I am feeling this way too... and I heard someone mention in the "spin room" during Fox's post-debate coverage, that they were tired of Guiliani being asked 3 questions for every 1 of Huckabee's chance to answer...

It does seem that it was decided from the very beginning that certain candidates would be given more "air" time and be taken more seriously, and others would have a more difficult time being heard....

Disappointing....

[PrezLeefun]

Shawn seems to like Rudy. I truly think it is a case of "who is going to protect our country" going on. He proved his mettle as Mayor so that sells to alot of people. I have such misgivings. I can't bear the thought of a Hillary/Obama tag team making it, yet I want to be able to vote my conscience. It's a tough one for me.

Same here. You want to vote with your heart and your head but it seems damn near impossible.

[PaulRevere]

Right now I see three candidates who have a command of the issues, a brisk tongue, a good presentation and think quickly on their feet - Hunter, Rudy and Huckabee. Of the three, Rudy's the only street fighter, although I sense fire in both Hunter and Huckabee.


I agree. If my state's primary was today I'd vote for Huckabee.

I'll gladly vote for Rudy even if I have to hold my nose. Anything to keep the Medusa out of the White House.

[The_Elucidator]

Huck seems to be the blue collar type candidate; churning away and solidly inching his way up the polls. Don't be surprised if he doesn't just take off!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I have been VERY impressed by, and with, Huckabee. The problem I see, and man I hate to admit this, I don't see him as having that (MAN I really hate to say this) "electability factor". He could not draw the broad appeal needed to beat Hillary.

One other thing about him, I have read here at FC (don't know who's saying it, I can't remember whose post it was) that Huckabee is a "nanny-stater." I'd like more clarification on this, nanny-stater how? Hillary is what I would call a nanny-stater, I didn't see, hear, or get that from anything Huckabee as said. Every subject he addressed he seemed to be pushing PERSONAL responsibility, not government managemnt.

I think Fred could reach those spots that Giuliani and most definitely Romney, cannot. I think the dream ticket would be Thompson/Huckabee.

I really like Tom Tancredo, and was impressed by Hunter, but a one-issue candidate (though they had some great thoughts this debate on other things) isn't going to cut it. Hunter comes off like he's in a perpetual state of tee-ed off, I don't like that about his character. BOTH of them should quietly back out and be appointed in the Fred Administration :D.

[Jack_Savage]

I watched the debate, the pre-debate, and the post-debate discussion. I agree with Homes. Ron Paul is a very marginal candidate, yet he got more time than the other second-tier candidates such as Hunter and Tancredo. I cannot understand this. Paul mostly comes off as a lunatic. He said some really dumb things in the post-debate session as well. Just unbelievable. Thankfully, the 'rats have their crosses to bear too, such as Joe Biden and Chris Dodd, although neither are as off-the-wall as Ron Paul. I hope Fox didn't do this just to stir controversy. Carl Cameron seemed to be trying to do that in his questioning of the candidates and his post-debate punditry.

AFAIK, Hannity is backing ROMNEY, whom I loathe.

I don't view Fox as pushing Rudy. He's the frontrunner so he's going to get more or the best air time.

Thompson was the only candidate who was reading from notes instead of answering extemporaneously. That bugged me. Again he seemed to have no passion, no fire in the belly, but he looked better and actually did better than he did last time.

Once again, the surprise was the good presentation by Huckabee. He's holding his own very well. If Hunter drops out, and if Thompson doesn't improve, I may become a Huckabee supporter. He thinks on his feet and is very articulate and focused.

Rudy did well, McCain did himself some good, and Hunter was stupendous during the brief amount of time he had. Tancredo isn't going anywhere, either, but he acquitted himself well enough, I thought. I despise Romney so much I can't judge how he did.

Meanwhile, Hitlery is working on the center and swing votes, so having as many candidates as we have still standing is keeping us from competing against her for the broader field of voters. I wish Paul and Tancredo would drop out, for starters. Cull the herd.

Right now I see three candidates who have a command of the issues, a brisk tongue, a good presentation and think quickly on their feet - Hunter, Rudy and Huckabee. Of the three, Rudy's the only street fighter, although I sense fire in both Hunter and Huckabee.

That's my take.
I think your impressions are right on. McCain who is my least favorate, but heads and shoulders above Hillary, made a better showing also. Huckabee brought the focus back to Hillary which was a nice contribution to the evening. The other thing I noticed last night was a genuine enjoyment between those on the stage except for Ron Paul.

He seemed isolated and alone, growing more and more into a freak-candidate on the scale of Algore. I hope he is gone by Holloween.

[Lazarus]

Firstly, in reference to Homes' first rant... er... question...:biggrin:...We must keep in mind that although we all appreciate the fact thet Fox is now on the scene and is bringing some balance to the MSM, they still seem to be tainted with the Super Market Tabloid desease... By that I mean they love to report exciting/shocking news, even if its sleazy gossip...

As a result they are going to focus their cameras and queastions on the candidates who are already "superstars" in the media mind... That means, Rudy, Romney, McCain, and Fred... Huckabee gets some face time because he's gaining popularlity - Ron Paul is an embarrassment, so naturally Fox focuses the camera on him like they would on a two-headed boy in a circus freak show... Its a weakness of Fox - just something we have to look around...

On the subject of Huckabee - I like him... But then I like all the 2nd tier candidates (except for Jo-Jo the dog-faced boy)... But I see Huck the way Homes does... Although he's solid on conservative policies, to me he seems too "nice" to be the commander-in-chief... He's more of a valued and trusted advisor, a cabinet chief, a policy manager under a hardcore leader...

Im still on board with Fred thru the Primaries... He's the voice and the mind who represents my idea of America... And I think he'd clean the floor with Hilary...

But. having said that, Im prepared now to support whoever the Pub candidate is... Rudy has a few questionable positions historically that Im not entirely comfy with, but in his favor he seems to have been trying to assure us that he's willing to come to US on most of those questions - or to simply set them aside...

Friends, We aren't going to get a perfect candidate - I don't even expect Fred to be the new Messiah... Most choices we make in life are choices between imperfect options... As passionate as we are on some issues, we must keep in mind that some of the issues we disagree with concerning some of the candidates are personal opinions of theirs, but are NOT issues they as president will be able to affect directly... We must stay focused on those issues that this president is likely to be able to control or guide as chief executive...

Often we worry over the personal opinions that candidates hold, but those opinions rarely are translated into national policy when they win the office... Remember, Nixon was a Quaker - Hardly the image one conjures up when one thinks of Nixon...

Of the current set of Republican frontrunners, the only one I see who would force his agenda on us against the will of the people is McCain... McCain would be King if he had his way... And thus, McCain is the one Im having the hardest time getting past... If it ended up being a choice between McCain and Hilary, it truly would be a choice of the lesser of two EVILS...

In the end, I believe we must not allow the Dems to win the Whitehouse... If they control Congress and the Whitehouse, this nation is finished... It will be the end of this greatest of all governments that was devised by those brilliant, selfless men who founded this nation... And it will be to our shame that we were the generation who let it die...

Vote your hearts in the Primaries... But once the convention is over, once the candidate is named, we must all vote our heads... Or I should say, we must search our hearts deeper and ask if we will be better served by the Marxist revolution that is on our doorstep... We cannot imagine today the evil that woman has planned in her heart for our nation...

[PrezLeefun]

I have been VERY impressed by, and with, Huckabee. The problem I see, and man I hate to admit this, I don't see him as having that (MAN I really hate to say this) "electability factor". He could not draw the broad appeal needed to beat Hillary.

One other thing about him, I have read here at FC (don't know who's saying it, I can't remember whose post it was) that Huckabee is a "nanny-stater." I'd like more clarification on this, nanny-stater how? Hillary is what I would call a nanny-stater, I didn't see, hear, or get that from anything Huckabee as said. Every subject he addressed he seemed to be pushing PERSONAL responsibility, not government managemnt.

I think Fred could reach those spots that Giuliani and most definitely Romney, cannot. I think the dream ticket would be Thompson/Huckabee.

I really like Tom Tancredo, and was impressed by Hunter, but a one-issue candidate (though they had some great thoughts this debate on other things) isn't going to cut it. Hunter comes off like he's in a perpetual state of tee-ed off, I don't like that about his character. BOTH of them should quietly back out and be appointed in the Fred Administration :D.


Huckabee is great.... I have a myspace friend with a link to an interview... let me go get it.

He was great. I think if more people see him he can be a winner.

I have decided (and I think I am gonna stick with this) I will vote for Huckabee in the primaries, and I will support whichever Republican (with the obvious exception of the democrat who keeps getting lost and attending republican debates) in the election.

[PrezLeefun]

This is worth watching the whole thing.

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[Republican_Legion]

One other thing about him, I have read here at FC (don't know who's saying it, I can't remember whose post it was) that Huckabee is a "nanny-stater." I'd like more clarification on this, nanny-stater how? Hillary is what I would call a nanny-stater, I didn't see, hear, or get that from anything Huckabee as said. Every subject he addressed he seemed to be pushing PERSONAL responsibility, not government managemnt.


It was Kathy30 that said that I believe. I think it might be something to do with "Trans fat ban" or something. It could be something to do with Illegal Immigration.

Illegal immigration Huckabee has been criticized for supporting illegal immigration.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-65>[73] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-65)</SUP><SUP class=reference id=_ref-66>[74] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-66)</SUP> In his 2005 State of the State address, he complained that a Hispanic student was not able to get financial aid because he was an illegal alien. Huckabee said: "But when he applied for financial aid, he wasn’t eligible for the various scholarships or grants because of his status, a status that he had no decision in or control over."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-67>[75] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-67)</SUP><SUP class=reference id=_ref-68>[76] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-68)</SUP> Huckabee vehemently opposed a 2005 bill sponsored by Arkansas State Senator Jim Holt which would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants, calling it "un-Christian."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-69>[77] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-69)</SUP> Huckabee argued that illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits: "They pay fuel taxes. If they're using a fake Social Security number, they're paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit. It would be closer to the truth to say they're subsidizing Joe McCutchen and Jim Holt more than the other way around."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-70>[78] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-70)</SUP> When a Mexican consulate opened in Little Rock in 2006, Huckabee strongly supported it.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-71>[79] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-71)</SUP> The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported: "Before he left office, former Gov. Mike Huckabee gave $10,000 to Little Rock. The money was given to help the consulate. Former Mayor Jim Dailey had requested that the governor match the city’s Dec. 19 contribution of $50,000 in a letter written Dec. 20. Huckabee’s contribution came from the governor’s $500,000 emergency fund and was one of roughly 20 appropriations Huckabee made from the taxpayer fund in his final days in office."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-72>[80] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-72)</SUP> Critics of Huckabee say his support of the Mexican consulate broke federal law.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-73>[81] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-73)</SUP> In 2007, Huckabee said, "I just don't think it's realistic to say this weekend we're going to round up 12 to 20 million young people and their children and we're going to put them across the border and they're never going to come back."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-74>[82] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-74)</SUP> In a 2007 interview, Huckabee argued against job loss caused by illegal immigration saying, "You know, when people say, 'they're taking our jobs' -- I used to hear that as Governor -- and I started asking this question, 'can you name me any person, give me their name, who can't get a job plucking a chicken or picking a tomato or tarring a roof that would like to do that work?' ....I never, ever, had a person who could come up with the name of a person who could not get a job because an illegal immigrant had stepped in front of them because it was either a job that person didn't want to do or didn't exist."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-75>[83] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-75)</SUP> Huckabee believes that Congress should seal the border and does not advocate punishing children of illegal immigrants for their parents crime. He stated in an interview with National Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review), “I have always said you don’t punish a child for the crime of a parent.....Frankly, it’s in our best interest to try to get that child on to a higher level of education.”<SUP class=reference id=_ref-76>[84] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-76)</SUP> In his opening remarks among Hispanic civil rights leaders at a LULAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_United_Latin_American_Citizens) convention, Huckabee said the nation will need to address the concerns of the Hispanic community because of its growing influence and population base. "Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter. He told the LULAC delegates that their presence in the state's capital city was very important because Arkansas has one of the fastest growing Hispanic populations in the nation. "Your gathering is so very significant for our state," Huckabee said.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-77>[85] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-77)</SUP>


Fiscal record
Huckabee claims to have cut taxes while governor, saving Arkansas' citizens close to $380 million.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-fiscalforbes_0>[53] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-fiscalforbes)</SUP> For 2007, he claims his state enjoyed a surplus of nearly $850 million.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-fiscalforbes_1>[53] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-fiscalforbes)</SUP> However, Huckabee has also been criticized for his fiscal record.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-49>[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-49)</SUP><SUP class=reference id=_ref-50>[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-50)</SUP><SUP class=reference id=_ref-51>[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-51)</SUP><SUP class=reference id=_ref-52>[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-52)</SUP> Club for Growth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_for_Growth) argues that he increased state spending 65.3 percent (1996–2004) and supported 5 tax increases, prompting them to accuse Huckabee of being a liberal in disguise.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-CFG_0>[58] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-CFG)</SUP> The Cato Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute), a libertarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian) non-profit public policy research foundation,<SUP class=reference id=_ref-53>[59] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-53)</SUP> gave him an F grade for spending and tax policy in 2006, and an overall grade of D for his governorship.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-54>[60] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-54)</SUP> According to a National Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review) writer, during his tenure the number of state government workers in Arkansas increased over 20 percent, and the state’s general obligation debt shot up by almost $1 billion.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-55>[61] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-55)</SUP> Huckabee's campaign has countered these arguments by claiming that Governor Huckabee cut taxes 94 times including signing the first broad-based tax cut in the history of the state.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-ChipSaltsman_0>[62] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-ChipSaltsman)</SUP> Huckabee's campaign manager said Huckabee doubled the standard deduction and the child care tax credit, eliminated the marriage penalty and the capital gains tax on the sale of a home, and reduced the capital gains tax for both businesses and individuals.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-ChipSaltsman_1>[62] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-ChipSaltsman)</SUP> A critic responded that most of the tax cuts were small deductions and exemptions initiated by the state legislature, that the broad-based tax cut was proposed by his predecessor and called Huckabee the "biggest taxer and spender in Arkansas history".<SUP class=reference id=_ref-56>[63] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-56)</SUP> In January of 2007, Huckabee on Meet the Press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meet_the_Press) resisted promising not to raise taxes. He commented, "I think you got to be very careful. I, I wouldn’t propose any new taxes. I wouldn’t support any. But if we’re in a situation where we are in a different level of war, where there is no other option, I think that it’s a very dangerous position to make pledges that are outside the most important pledge you make, and that is the oath you take to uphold the Constitution and protect the people of the United States."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-57>[64] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-57)</SUP> In March of 2007, Huckabee signed the Presidential Taxpayer Protection Pledge of Americans for Tax Reform, promising not to increase taxes at the federal level.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-58>[65] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-58)</SUP> Grover Norquist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist), the president of Americans for Tax Reform, stated "Gov. Huckabee recognizes that the challenge is to rein in spending and reduce taxes."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-59>[66] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-59)</SUP> Nine months earlier, Norquist had commented that Huckabee was a "serial tax increaser".<SUP class=reference id=_ref-60>[67] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-60)</SUP> Huckabee is an advocate for the Fair Tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Tax), which would do away with the income taxation and replace it with a national sales tax with rebate.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-61>[68] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee#_note-61)</SUP>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckabee

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

RL, can you provide a link for where that information was taken? Thanks.

[Rhino]

Link added to RL's post.

[Lubbock]

I am still absenting myself from "debates" [on both sides].

I already know who I will vote for in the General Election, so why bother.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I know that Huckabee is a social conservative and I think that he's a fiscal moderate.

[PrezLeefun]

^^^ Fine by me.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I am still absenting myself from "debates" [on both sides].

I already know who I will vote for in the General Election, so why bother.
Dittos.

[Naturalized-Texan]

^^^ Fine by me.
Not for me. I want a conservative - both social AND fiscal.

[Timberwolf]

Amen Tex...this country desperately NEEDS a man who is both...(or a woman, for that matter).

[EveningStar]

Right now I see three candidates who have a command of the issues, a brisk tongue, a good presentation and think quickly on their feet - Hunter, Rudy and Huckabee. Of the three, Rudy's the only street fighter, although I sense fire in both Hunter and Huckabee.
Forget Hunter and Huckabee. They're losers.

Right now, it's Rudy and Mitt switching off between 1st and 2nd place. McCain is 3rd, and Fred is 4th.

[Riverboat]

I was howling with laughter when Mitt Romney actually quoted P.J. O'Rourke: "If you think health care is expensive, wait until it's free."

Hey, maybe this guy knows how to rock-and-roll without the Osmonds!

[Venus de Smilo]

Forget Hunter and Huckabee. They're losers.

Right now, it's Rudy and Mitt switching off between 1st and 2nd place. McCain is 3rd, and Fred is 4th.
I know that, ES. I was simply talking about who I LIKE, not who I think will win the nomination.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

EveningStar:
Forget Hunter and Huckabee. They're losers.

:rolleyes:

[PaulRevere]

Another reason to go with Huck:

So far, among the major presidential candidates, only the GOP’s former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee has aligned himself squarely with Ronald Reagan in opposing the Law of the Sea Treaty. Unless the rest of the field promptly joins him, they will share responsibility for, and have to live with the consequences of, a UN on steroids.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/FrankJGaffneyJr/2007/10/23/happy_un_day!?page=2


He may not have the star power of the others, but he has the message.
Like I said, I'll vote for any Pub, even Guliani or McCain, if it means keeping the Medusa out of the White House. For the primaries, however, I'm going with the guy I like.

I don't care if I'm not hip with the cool kids who are all voting for the image candidate. I'm voting for substance, and right now I see more substance in Mike Huckabee than the others.

[Lubbock]

I didn't know we had an "Image Candidate."

Who is he?

[Rhino]

Rudy.

[Lazarus]

I thought it was Ronmey... He's the one with the "Donnie & Marie" hair and teeth...:smirky:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I think the media fluctuates between the two:

They focus on Giuliani because his "image" is that of a pit-bull ... works nicely for trying to paint Republicans/Conservatives as heartless and bloodthirsty.

They focus on Romney because his "image" is that of a slickster Used Car Salesman ... works nicely for trying to paint Republicans/Conservatives as heartless shysters.

Either way, their "image" (collectively) is one the MainSlime Media would like to pin on Republicans/Conservatives.

[Republican_Legion]

They focus on Romney because his "image" is that of a slickster Used Car Salesman ... works nicely for trying to paint Republicans/Conservatives as heartless shysters. .

Thats exactly how I think he looks. He's looks like a salesman who wants to trick people into believing he's the savor for Republicans when in truth he has been a flip flopper. Tooo much of slickster he looks like imo.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Thats exactly how I think he looks. He's looks like a salesman who wants to trick people into believing he's the savor for Republicans when in truth he has been a flip flopper. Tooo much of slickster he looks like imo.

And I think most common sense Republicans/Conservatives see him likewise, the problem is the MSM recognizes it too and instead of seeing him as an anomaly to real Republicanism/Conservatism, they promote him as as the face (or one of the two they prefer) of Republicanism/Conservatism.