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xagent
06-20-2003, 12:23 PM
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How Legal Gun Ownership Prevents Crime

It's pretty safe to say that increased legal gun ownership equates to less crime. Numerous studies have proven that defensive gun use is more prevalent than criminal gun use , and even then, strict gun laws wouldn't prevent the existing criminal gun use. All signs point to the fact that if guns are banned, criminals will still be able to get their hands on them.
There have also been studies that demonstrate how, when it becomes legal for citizens to carry firearms, crime decreases. Criminals themselves admit that armed victims are a deterrent. So, why do so many people promote gun control?


First off, it's hard for people to believe that more guns create a situation in which there is less gun violence. ( Much like it's hard for so many people to believe that decreasing tax rates increases tax revenue) It seems illogical at first, but there are definitely reasons behind why increased gun ownership lowers crime.

The second reason why Gun Control has such a huge following is because of "pet statistics" . The gun control advocate have found an isolated set of statistics ( In this case, the fact that a few, specific countries have strict gun laws and lower violent crime rates) which they hail as a veritable "trump card" in their argument as to why guns need to be outlawed. However, these people don't take any other factors into account (factors whose significance is supported by overwhelming evidence) except for a few variables selected to support their claims. Also, they don't take into account the relationship between gun ownership and crime in other countries. Luckily, the misconceptions that these figures promote are easy to explode.

The most comprehensive study on Defensive gun use concluded that Americans use guns for self- defense 2.2 to 2.5 million times per year.(1) Marc Gertz and Prof. Gary Kleck's study "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun" is the top study on this issue for a multitude of reasons. The most prominent, and most flawed, source of information on Defensive Gun Use is the National Crime Victimization Survey.

Why is the NCVS data so flawed?

Those responding to the NCVS are in a situation that lends itself to dishonesty about gun use. Kleck sums it up sufficiently:

"The NCVS is a non anonymous national survey conducted by a branch of the federal government, the U.S. Bureau of the Census. Interviewers identify themselves to R(espondent)s as federal government employees, even displaying, in face-to-face contacts, an identification card with a badge. Rs are told that the interviews are being conducted on behalf of the U.S. Department of justice, the law enforcement branch of the federal government. As a preliminary to asking questions about crime victimization experiences, interviewers establish the address, telephone number, and full names of all occupants, age twelve and over, in each household they contact. In short, it is made very clear to Rs that they are, in effect, speaking to a law enforcement arm of the federal government, whose employees know exactly who the Rs and their family members are, where they live, and how they can be re contacted."(1)
Common sense dictates that people are not prone to be honest when it comes to telling law enforcement officials about their gun usage, and common sense also dictates that this dishonesty would manifest in underreporting .
Also, the NCVS figures are inconsistent with every other study on defensive gun usage. The NCVS data states that each year, there are 80,000 to 82,000 defensive uses of guns per year. This figure is less than 1/9 of the numbers of DGUs suggested by 13 other surveys." (2)

While all of the aforementioned 13 studies had 600-1500 respondents, Kleck and Gertz's study had nearly 1500(1)

Other problems with the aforementioned studies were that they asked questions about whether or not they used guns defensively in their lifetime, making it "impossible to estimate uses within any specified time span." (1)

Other problems include :

"Some surveys limited coverage to registered voters...... Some asked the key questions with reference only to the R, while others asked Rs to report on the experiences of all of the members of their households , relying on second-hand reports...... The least useful of the surveys did not even ask the defensive use question of all Rs, instead it asked it only of gun owners (at the time of the survey, if someone no longer owns a gun they used defensively, they would not be included), or, even more narrowly, of just handgun owners or just those who owned handguns for protection purposes ..... none of them established how many times Rs used a gun defensively within the recall period...." (1)

According to the Kleck/Gertz study, nearly half of those who reported a Defesive gun use did not currently own a gun.

"Nearly 40% of the people reporting a DGU did not report personally owning a gun at the time of the interview. They either used someone else's gun, got rid of the gun since the DGU incident, or inaccurately denied personally owning a gun. About a quarter of the defenders reported that they did not even have a gun in their household at the time of the interview. Another possibility is that many gun owners were falsely denying their ownership of the "incriminating evidence" of their DGU." (1)

The conversations the respondents were engaged in go as follows:

"Each interview began with a few general "throat-clearing" questions about problems facing the R's community and crime. The interviewers then asked the following question: "Within the past five years, have you yourself or another member of your household used a gun, even if it was not fired, for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere? Please do not include military service, police work, or work as a security guard." Rs who answered "yes" were then asked: "Was this to protect against an animal or a person?" Rs who reported a DGU against a person were asked: "How many incidents involving defensive uses of guns against persons happened to members of your household in the past five years?" and "Did this incident [any of these incidents] happen in the past twelve months?" At this point, Rs were asked "Was it you who used a gun defensively, or did someone else in your household do this?"

All Rs reporting a DGU were asked a long, detailed series of questions establishing exactly what happened in the DGU incident. Rs who reported having experienced more than one DGU in the previous five years were asked about their most recent experience."

Prominent gun- control advocate Marvin Wolfgang made a very complimentary statement about this study:

"What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator... I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research...the methodological soundness of the current Kleck and Gertz study is clear. I cannot further debate it."(3)

The Kleck /Gertz study didn't include professional DGUs (such as law enforcement usage), and it only included DGUs where there was a real confrontation.

Also, a study by the Department of Justice concluded that there were 1.5 million DGUs per year, however, their sample size was less than half that of the Kleck/ Gertz study (4)

Other questions that can be raised include whether or not the DGUs were used to prevent serious crimes. 37% of the DGUs involved assault or sexual assault. 22% involved robbery.(5) Please note that a robbery constitutes "unlawfully taking the property of another by the use of violence or intimidation." (6) Robbery also makes up a completely different category from burglary in this study.

Did Criminals get severely injured in the course of committing less-severe crimes? This is simply not true.

"Only 24% of the gun defenders in the present study reported firing the gun, and only 8% report wounding an adversary."

Even if only 8% of perpetrators were wounded, this would still be too low. Of the 24% of respondents who fired, about 1/3 only fired warning shots. Only 15.6% of respondents claimed to have actually fired their gun at their adversary. (7)

"If 8.3% really hit their adversaries, and a total of 15.6% fired at their adversaries, this would imply a 53% "incident hit rate," a level of combat marksmanship far exceeding that typically observed even among police officers. In a review of fifteen reports, police officers inflicted at least one gunshot wound on at least one adversary in 37% of the incidents in which they intentionally fired at someone. A 53% hit rate would also be triple the 18% hit rate of criminals shooting at crime victims. Therefore, we believe that even the rather modest 8.3% wounding rate we found is probably too high, and that typical DGUs are less serious or dramatic in their consequences than our data suggest." (1)

Some people suspect that "telescoping" might be a factor in the results of this study. Telescoping means that people might think that a DGU that took place outside of the time frame in question took place in said timeframe, and would report it. This was not a factor in the supposed exaggeration of this study's results.

Respondents were asked to report any DGUs in the past year, and then any in the past 5 years. Certain critics claim that many respondents must have mentioned DGUs that happened over 5 years ago. The opposite, people forgetting, rather than telescoping is actually more likely.

The estimates for DGUs per year, were actually higher when based on instances in the past year rather than the past 5 years. (5)

Now, compare the 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year to the number of gun crimes. The most gun crimes ever committed in a single year were 847,652 in 1992 (1). There were only 533,470 gun crimes in 2000. (8)

Who is to say that outlawing gun ownership will end these gun crimes?

The majority of guns used in crime were obtained either illegally or circuitously, and definitely not through conventional means.

39.6% of guns owned by prisoners in 1997 were obtained from friends or family , while 39.2% were acquired illegally. Only 8.3% were purchased at a retail store. (9)

The majority of guns used in crimes can be traced back to a small number of dealers.

"1.2 percent of current dealers (1,020 dealers) account for 57 percent of crime gun traces to active dealers." (10)

If laws banning guns were implemented, only a few distributors would have to circumvent them to put illegal guns into sufficient distribution.

There are 400 handguns for every single handgun crime (11). Even if 90% of handguns were confiscated , there would still be 40 handguns per gun criminal.


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Beowulf
06-20-2003, 02:57 PM
Good article. I know for fact that in Kennesaw, Georgia, it is the law that if you own a home, you MUST own a firearm. Consequently, there is almost no crime in that city. Good food for the Liberals to choke on.

Pennville_Bill
06-20-2003, 05:40 PM
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Naturalized-Texan
06-20-2003, 07:37 PM
Letter received by Wm. F. Buckley published in the June 30, 2003, issue of National Review:

Dear Mr. Buckley: I recently received the following e-mail from my son-in-law, who is serving in the military, and thought you might have an interest in it:

I thought you would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by the government, a program costing Australian taxpayers more than $500 million.

The first-year results are in:

1. Homicides are up 3.2 percent, assaults up 8.6 percent.

2. Armed robberies are up 44 per- cent.

3. In Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.

4. While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery, this has changed drastically since criminals are now guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

5. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults on the elderly.

Very truly yours,
Name Withheld

Timberwolf
06-20-2003, 10:35 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Naturalized-Texan said:
Letter received by Wm. F. Buckley published in the June 30, 2003, issue of National Review:

Dear Mr. Buckley: I recently received the following e-mail from my son-in-law, who is serving in the military, and thought you might have an interest in it:

I thought you would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by the government, a program costing Australian taxpayers more than $500 million.

The first-year results are in:

1. Homicides are up 3.2 percent, assaults up 8.6 percent.

2. Armed robberies are up 44 per- cent.

3. In Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.

4. While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery, this has changed drastically since criminals are now guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

5. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults on the elderly.

Very truly yours,
Name Withheld

[/ QUOTE ]
I actually wrote to the Premier of Victoria concerning this issue. The thread concerning this is HERE. (http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=83425&page=1& view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) As you can see from the response, or actually the lack of one, they are oblivious to the harm that they are perpetrating upon the law-abiding...or maybe they are not so oblivious and acutally WANT chaos.

Naturalized-Texan
06-21-2003, 10:16 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Timberwolf said:
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I actually wrote to the Premier of Victoria concerning this issue. The thread concerning this is HERE. (http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=83425&page=1& view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) As you can see from the response, or actually the lack of one, they are oblivious to the harm that they are perpetrating upon the law-abiding...or maybe they are not so oblivious and acutally WANT chaos.

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I think that they actually want chaos. It's in line with the true purpose of liberal programs here:

The purpose of all liberal programs is to produce ever-increasing numbers of poor and ignorant people dependent on governernment handouts.

Dania
06-21-2003, 12:49 PM
In other words, to perpetuate their paycheck by perpetuating the public's dependency. Um....yep. That sounds like a socialist/liberal to me.

Lapcat

Naturalized-Texan
06-21-2003, 05:37 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Dania said:
In other words, to perpetuate their paycheck by perpetuating the public's dependency. Um....yep. That sounds like a socialist/liberal to me.

Lapcat



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And they have been very successful in their efforts.

There are numerous examples of racist liberal programs that were designed to produce ever-increasing numbers of poor and ignorant. Here are 4 of the most egregious of those programs as described by Thomas Sowell in "The Vision of the Anointed", 1995, Basic Books, pp 7-30:

The "War on Poverty" - This liberal program was sold as a program to end poverty and end the dependence on government welfare. In the words of Lyndon Johnson, the purpose of the "War on Poverty" was to "break the cycle of poverty" and to make "taxpayers out of taxeaters." "The percentage of people dependent on the federal government to keep above the poverty line increased. Although the number of such dependent people had been declining for more than a decade before the "War on Poverty" programs began, this downward trend now reversed itself and began rising within a few years after the program got under way." The "War on Poverty" completely met the REAL goal of liberalism.

Sex Education - One of the liberal crusades of the 1960s was to spread sex education into the public schools. The stated purpose of sex education was to end teenage pregnancy and eliminate sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).

At the time of this crusade, teenage pregnancy and STDs were on the decline. Teenage pregnancy rate is now 50% higher than it was in the 1960s. Moreover, there has been a skyrocketing increase in STDs in the last 30 years, not only in AIDS, but also in syphilis, gonorrhea, and herpes.

Sex education, as formulated by the liberals, has met the REAL goal of liberalism.



Criminal Justice - Another liberal crusade of the 1960s was to stress rehabilitation of criminals rather than punishment. The stated goal of rehabilitation was to "cure" the criminal so that he will become a model citizen and then to release him back into society. The theory was that rehabilitation would eliminate criminal behavior.

Again, at the time of this crusade, the murder rate had been declining dramatically. Since that crusade started, the murder rate has more than doubled, and a citizen's chances of becoming a victim of a major crime has more than tripled.

Rehabilitation has met the REAL goal of liberalism.

Education - The stated goal of the liberal program to take control of American education was to improve the quality of education. At the time of the takeover, education quality was very high with only about a 10% illiteracy rate. Today there is about a 30% illiteracy rate. In the last 40 years there has been a precipitous decline in the quality of education. There is a direct correlation between the decline in education quality and the increase in Federal control of education. There is also a direct correlation between the decline in education quality and the evolution of the National Education Association (NEA) from a professional organization to a labor union begging for federal aid. Liberal education programs met the REAL goal of liberalism.