child vaccinations

[Black Phoenix]

A new story on fox has come out that in Maryland parents are being threatened with jail time if they do not comply to get their kids vaccinated. This is being called "insentive"... holy *********!!! I'm sorry but incentive is money, jail is a threat.

Anyway, I was wondering what people thought of this. Personally, I don't like it. Does it sound evil on the surface, no. After all, we want to eradicate and or weaken many dangerous diseases, and the only way to do that, is to make sure no one gets them.

But the other side has to be considered.

What about times when shots get dispersed into the public by quacks? Well then I guess no one can do anything except wait until a hearing has come up and concluded (not usually a speedy process). Normally the truth can circulate and parents who take the time to be informed, can save their kids the problems, but now... oh well.

These kids aren't being threatened with guns or knives, actually quite the opposite, we're often just talking about chicken pox. No real danger is being presented in most cases, just the slim possibility of one somewhere in the future.

Also many parents, as was mentioned by an interviewer, worry about mercury or other suspect chemicals said to be in vaccines which can cause more or worse problems than they fix. If I so believed such things (I don't actually), shouldn't it be my right not to have my kid exposed to them? Seriously, again, no clear or preasent danger is being presented to the child's life, health or well being.

Um... okay I'll talk about them. In the case of sissy parents who just don't want their kids to feel pain... good Lord stop trying to wrap them in styrophoam you're doing more harm than good!

It is said that parents with convictions can file to be exempt, but that sounds fishy to me. After all, who decides whether their concerns are legitamit?

[Reagan Knight]

Not a fan on a moral level but the state does have a legitimate interest in preserving the health of its citizens, including minors. So although the government intervening with parent's choices is repulsive to me, there's nothing that says they can't do it.

[Timberwolf]

Since just about any virus can be defeated with megadose intravenous Vitamin C therapy, immunization is not necessary and, if I had this information when my daughter was born, she'd have not received a solitary shot. (I had links to info until my HDs crashed and now I cannot find them...one MD who researches Vit C went so far as to say megadose Vit C should be tried in ebola outbreaks...didn't quite call it malfeasance not to do so, "what're you going to do, kill them?". He was going on the premise that bolstering those not affected could reduce the "body count".)

I don't worry about SARS, Bird Flu, regular flu, etc...and as far as parents not wanting to immunize their kids, I have NO problem with that whatsoever. In fact, there are a LOT of nutrition researchers who believe immunization is responsible for the skyrocketing levels of autism in our kids (1 in 250,000 just a short 30 years ago....1 in 200 today...sorry, that's just too much of a "coincidence" for me).

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

... [I]f I had this information when my daughter was born, she'd have not received a solitary shot.

I don't know if would or not, I'd have to think about that one. The primary vaccinations are not ones that concerned me much back then (mumps, measles, rubella), but nowdays they want to vaccinate children for sexually transmitted diseases (Hep & Human Paploma for girls), and that's just completely unacceptable.

When my homeschooled children wanted to play sports and I went up to the local school to do their paperwork and one of the required forms was an Immunization Record. I took it to my doctor and explained that for religious reasons we did not want our kids to get the "new" shots. He wrote a letter for us, we took it to the Health Department and they issued an exemption waiver.

I have a few friends in the homeschool community who have children or know children of other homeschoolers who developed serious medical conditions even after the regular immunizations (one developed severe autism).

I'm really beginnning to have very little faith in our government at all. I sure don't trust them when it comes to the health of my children.

[Sarah]

No the government should not be threatening jail over this. That is going way to far.

[garlicguy]

Someone asked me on the FC boards recently what I meant when I claimed that we had lost personal privacy and individual freedoms, and that we are losing them still.

I believe the topics and the comments in this thread offer excellent examples of what I meant.

[mateusrosé]

I agree with Timberwolf. And I'll add that, when the gov-mint outlaws bath houses, I'll agree with their never-ending and ever-increasing list of vaccinations to ensure the public health. And jail time?? They must be kidding (but I'm sure they're not) with this coercion. Hey, I know they don't want to talk about the SV40 monkey virus kids got along with the contaminated polio vaccine in the 60s (probably yet another reason why you can scan the obits and find ever more parents surviving their adult children "of a certain age"), but I'll speak for myself when I say that I don't even get a flu shot. Now that I'm no longer a baby or toddler, my parents no longer decide what shots I get--and neither will the government. Ever.

[Sarah]

They should come up with a vaccination against liberalism to be administered at birth.

[Rhino]

The primary vaccinations are not ones that concerned me much back then (mumps, measles, rubella), but nowdays they want to vaccinate children for sexually transmitted diseases (Hep & Human Paploma for girls), and that's just completely unacceptable.:yeahthat:

[Rhino]

Someone asked me on the FC boards recently what I meant when I claimed that we had lost personal privacy and individual freedoms, and that we are losing them still.

I believe the topics and the comments in this thread offer excellent examples of what I meant.So, you think the ability to infect others and possibly cause outbreaks, or maybe even epidemics, that could in turn cause the death of others, to be a "freedom" that we should treat as a right? Not an accusation. Just wondering, and hoping for a clarification.

[Black Phoenix]

So, you think the ability to infect others and possibly cause outbreaks, or maybe even epidemics, that could in turn cause the death of others, to be a "freedom" that we should treat as a right? Not an accusation. Just wondering, and hoping for a clarification.


I don't think he means, nor do I, vaccines to stop society ending pandemics, we don't really have any of those right now. If we did, hell yea, everyone should be vaccinated. But we're talking about chicken pox or hepititus B. Diseases like the former can be easily survived the latter prevented by not being a freaking slut. That being said, we are not discussing dangerous diseases, and besides, if the rest of society is emmunized, you won't start an epidemic amongst the emmunized by not being emmunized. After all, isn't preventing the disease once contacted what emmunization is for? :question:

Not emmunizing your kid against non-life threatening, easily prevented or unlikely to be contracted diseases does not constitute clear and present danger to the child, yourself or any part of society. Should you not have the right to raise your child as you see fit? If that, for whatever reason, means no emmunizations, considering the lack of legitamite concerns, isn't that your business? We're not talking about beatings, or neglecting to feed the child, or even neglecting yearly (or by-yearly what ever the pactice is supposed to be) doctor visits. The kid should be fine, and no one, especially those emmunized, will be endangered by him. So what's the big, throw you in jail, deal?

I'll tell you what the deal is. "We would like it better if you would emmunize your child so emmunize or...":hang:

[Rhino]

But even non-fatal communicable diseases can have significant societal impact. That's one reason why I was curious for a clarification. People should have the right to raise a child as they see fit, but does that include the right to shut down a school by sending contagious kids there to spread disease? At some point, actions such as these will indeed affect others negatively. Where we decide to draw that line could skew the definition of what is a freedom and what is not. Jail is excessive, but my question wasn't about that. I asked what I did because GG's comment about personal privacy and individual freedoms seemed to open up numerous possibilities, which could conceivably include the spread of dangerous diseases. It was a blanket statement, which I'm sure he did not intend to cover every possible scenario. I was just curious where he would draw the line.

[Black Phoenix]

Okay, now I need clarification. The school is all emmunized right? So who is he gonna spread disease to? Also how sick is he? Really if he's too far gone, it's probably best the kid stay home for a few days.

It's also a fact of life. Kids get sick, and they spread disease. With chicken pox or worse diseases, most kids stay home. But with lesser ones liket he flu... ya know I'm not sure how well "flu vaccines" work anyway. Never seems to stop it for me.

[Timberwolf]

... In fact, there are a LOT of nutrition researchers who believe immunization is responsible for the skyrocketing levels of autism in our kids (1 in 250,000 just a short 30 years ago....1 in 200 today...sorry, that's just too much of a "coincidence" for me).
I stand corrected...today's incidence of autism is 1 in 12 not the 1 in 200 I stated earlier.

btw - I take 6,000 mg of Vit C / day during warm weather, 8,000 mg during the transistional seasons and 10,000 / day during the winter...if I get so much as a sniffle, the dose doubles (20k)...if it's not gone in 2 days, it triples (30k)...and so on until it does.

I also take high doses of most other vitamins...only because I don't believe we get enough nutrition in the food we eat today...and I'm not gonna take drugs to do what nutrition will do better (and more inexpensively).

[garlicguy]

So, you think the ability to infect others and possibly cause outbreaks, or maybe even epidemics, that could in turn cause the death of others, to be a "freedom" that we should treat as a right? Not an accusation. Just wondering, and hoping for a clarification.

Actually, the whole idea of epidemics and pandemics are quite scary. But my concern is that the Federal Government is forcing this issue upon state and local governments and health departments, dictating how to handle the matter (or so it seems to me). There has to be a better, less demanding way. NO. I don't know how, I just know that, like public education, application and enforcement would be better handled on a local basis.

But then in the military, you have no options, and there is mounting evidence that some vaccinations have had terrible side effects on our troops and were, in effect, tested on them without their knowledge. That hardly seems in the best interest of our military and veterans. (To clarify).

[jayson]

btw - I take 6,000 mg of Vit C / day during warm weather, 8,000 mg during the transistional seasons and 10,000 / day during the winter...if I get so much as a sniffle, the dose doubles (20k)...if it's not gone in 2 days, it triples (30k)...and so on until it does.

Isn't that hard on your liver? I have no idea, I've never been much into researching nutritional supplements and doses.

[Rhino]

Okay, now I need clarification. The school is all emmunized right? So who is he gonna spread disease to?I asked the question under the presumption that other kids would also not get immunized if it were not required.

Also how sick is he? Really if he's too far gone, it's probably best the kid stay home for a few days.

It's also a fact of life. Kids get sick, and they spread disease. With chicken pox or worse diseases, most kids stay home.In many instances, they will be contagious before having symptoms, or before the symptoms are recognized.

But with lesser ones liket he flu... ya know I'm not sure how well "flu vaccines" work anyway. Never seems to stop it for me.They make me sick, so I don't get them.

[Rhino]

Actually, the whole idea of epidemics and pandemics are quite scary. But my concern is that the Federal Government is forcing this issue upon state and local governments and health departments, dictating how to handle the matter (or so it seems to me). There has to be a better, less demanding way. NO. I don't know how, I just know that, like public education, application and enforcement would be better handled on a local basis.Okay. Thanks for the clarification.

But then in the military, you have no options, and there is mounting evidence that some vaccinations have had terrible side effects on our troops and were, in effect, tested on them without their knowledge. That hardly seems in the best interest of our military and veterans. (To clarify).Kind of a different subject.