Does Marrying Bill Clinton Qualify Someone To Be President? [Archive]

DesertFox

11-16-2007, 06:55 PM

John Hawkins
Townhall.com
16 Nov 07

If a CEO of a fortune 500 company were to retire, would anyone seriously consider his wife to be an adequate replacement simply because she was married to him when he ran the company? What about a Super Bowl winning football team? What do you think the reaction of their fans would be if their coach's wife was being seriously discussed as his replacement?

It sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? Yet, Hillary Clinton has practically been anointed by the press and the punditocracy as our next President, despite the fact that her run at the presidency is almost entirely based on being Bill Clinton's wife.

By that, I mean that if Bill Clinton had meant the sweet nothings that he whispered in Monica Lewinsky's ear and he had divorced Hillary and married Monica, today Monica would be planning her Senate reelection campaign while Hillary would probably be working as a lobbyist for the Chinese toy manufacturers association.

More (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/JohnHawkins/2007/11/16/does_marrying_bill_clinton_qualify_someone_to_be_p resident)

DesertFox

11-16-2007, 06:55 PM

Amen, bruthah.

BabyBeastie

11-16-2007, 06:59 PM

What about senators and congressmen who croak and their wives take their jobs in Washington?

Should we start a list?

Suzie

11-16-2007, 07:34 PM

I think marrying Bill Clinton qualifies you for therapy.

DesertFox

11-16-2007, 07:38 PM

I think marrying Bill Clinton qualifies you for the nut house.

BabyBeastie

11-16-2007, 07:41 PM

She only married him for one thing. If she gets elected POTUS, she will have absolutely no use for him anymore.

DesertFox

11-16-2007, 07:41 PM

She'll keep him around for fighting her brush fires. His were sex; hers are money.

Suzie

11-16-2007, 07:44 PM

I think marrying Bill Clinton qualifies you for the nut house.
That's true, I stand corrected. :lol:

Seabee

11-16-2007, 07:47 PM

She only married him for one thing. If she gets elected POTUS, she will have absolutely no use for him anymore.

I wonder if she will Vince Foster his arse?

Suzie

11-16-2007, 07:50 PM

I wonder if she will Vince Foster his arse?

Now there's a thought. For some reason I never considered them doing each other in. Not sure why.

Naturalized-Texan

11-16-2007, 07:50 PM

If she hadn't married BJ, she would be nothing more than a small town lawyer in Podunkville.

Seabee

11-16-2007, 07:57 PM

Now there's a thought. For some reason I never considered them doing each other in. Not sure why.

Never thought of it until now, either.

Suzie

11-16-2007, 08:10 PM

Never thought of it until now, either.

Well they say the more someone does it the easier it gets. :question:

Longhorn_Platinum

11-17-2007, 05:59 AM

:unsmile: If getting f***ed by Bill Clinton qualifies anyone for president, then the whole country would qualify.

DoctorDoom

11-17-2007, 07:17 AM

I wonder if she will Vince Foster his arse?During a recent publicity outing, Hillary sneaked off to visit a fortune teller of some local repute. In a dark and hazy room, peering into a crystal ball, the mystic delivered grave news.

"There's no easy way to say this, so I'll just be blunt: Prepare yourself to be a widow. Your husband will die a violent and horrible death this year."

Visibly shaken, Hillary stared at the woman's lined face, then at the single flickering candle, then down at her hands. She took a few deep breaths to compose herself. She simply had to know. She met the fortune teller's gaze, steadied her voice, and asked her question.

"Will I be acquitted?"

DesertFox

11-17-2007, 07:41 AM

http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/joker.gif

Seabee

11-17-2007, 07:45 AM

:rotflmbo: Love it Doc, absolutly love it.

EveningStar

11-17-2007, 11:16 AM

This guy nails it.

Lubbock

11-17-2007, 12:12 PM

If she hadn't married BJ, she would be nothing more than a small town lawyer in Podunkville.

And therein lies the only conspiracy theory I have ever subscribed to in my life.

Y'all have set through this before, but here I go again:

I have always believed that something waaaay sinister, and something waaaay LARGE was behind the Clintons, and I have always believed that it began with Hillary.

When you go back and look at that paper she wrote in college, espousing her political views, put her views together with the Horn Dog illigitimate son of a small town barfly, look at and study every aspect of their lives --from the Rose Law Firm, to the Presidency, to the present, I don't see how anyone can come to any other conclusion than there is something sinister --and bigger than both of them, behind their rise to power.

And then there's Soros . . .

Naturalized-Texan

11-17-2007, 12:58 PM

And therein lies the only conspiracy theory I have ever subscribed to in my life.

Y'all have set through this before, but here I go again:

I have always believed that something waaaay sinister, and something waaaay LARGE behind the Clintons, and I have always believed that it began with Hillary.

When you go back and look at that paper she wrote in college, espousing her political views, put her views together with the Horn Dog illigitimate son of a small town barfly, look at and study every aspect of their lives --from the Rose Law Firm, to the Presidency, to the present, I don't see how anyone can come to any other conclusion than there is something sinister --and bigger than both of them, behind their rise to power.

And then there's Soros . . .
Very often when I consider BJ Clinton, the movie "The Manchurian Candidate" comes to mind. I can't help wondering what the Soviets did to him while he "vacationed" in Moscow in the late 1960s or early 1970s.

A while back I read a novel, Lucky Bastard by Charles McCarry, that was roughly based on the Clintons, where the man was brainwashed in the Soviet Union and married a woman who was assigned by the Soviets to be his handler. She conspired to make him president, leading up to a surprise ending.

Seabee

11-17-2007, 01:02 PM

A while back I read a novel, Lucky Bastard by Charles McCarry, that was roughly based on the Clintons, where the man was brainwashed in the Soviet Union and married a woman who was assigned by the Soviets to be his handler.

Cmon N-T you cannot in one breath get on people for thinking there might be a NAU economically then in another breath talk about the Soviets brainwashing Clinton. Not that he isn't a commnist sympathizer but it is by his and her own design. But cmon man this is really a far reaching conspiracy theory that belongs in the twilight zone and might be as ridiculous as the NAU theory.

garlicguy

11-17-2007, 01:06 PM

Very often when I consider BJ Clinton, the movie "The Manchurian Candidate" comes to mind. I can't help wondering what the Soviets did to him while he "vacationed" in Moscow in the late 1960s or early 1970s.

Good point.

Oddly enough, someone mentioned the Manchurian Candidate idea the other day while lamenting the changes Senator McCain appears to have gone through in his latter years. A great war veteran and conservative who now has difficulty defining and staying with his own platform ideas. It is sad really, to see his decline. He was a terrific Presidential Candidate in for the 2000 race. Had he gotten the nod, I certainly would have voted for him. I wonder how differently things would have turned out, had he been elected instead of Bush...

Naturalized-Texan

11-17-2007, 01:12 PM

Cmon N-T you cannot in one breath get on people for thinking there might be a NAU economically then in another breath talk about the Soviets brainwashing Clinton. Not that he isn't a commnist sympathizer but it is by his and her own design. But cmon man this is really a far reaching conspiracy theory that belongs in the twilight zone and might be as ridiculous as the NAU theory.
:hahaha::hahaha: There is actually much more evidence that BJ had been brainwashed in Moscow than there is for NAU.

Naturalized-Texan

11-17-2007, 01:25 PM

Good point.

Oddly enough, someone mentioned the Manchurian Candidate idea the other day while lamenting the changes Senator McCain appears to have gone through in his latter years. A great war veteran and conservative who now has difficulty defining and staying with his own platform ideas. It is sad really, to see his decline. He was a terrific Presidential Candidate in for the 2000 race. Had he gotten the nod, I certainly would have voted for him. I wonder how differently things would have turned out, had he been elected instead of Bush...
In 2000, McCain was the establishment candidate who was being pushed upon us hard by the liberal media in their effort to ensure AlGore's election. With McCain as the Republican nominee, AlGore would have won in a landslide. Fortunately, grassroots conservatives and Evangelicals rose up starting in South Carolina and brought forth the nomination of the anti-establishment candidate, George W. Bush. The rest, as they say, is history.

If AlGore had won in 2000, he would have cringed in fear in the White House basement and we would all either be dead and being forced to bow to Mecca. I believe that God's hand led us to elect George W. Bush in 2000.

Lubbock

11-17-2007, 01:35 PM

I will always believe that nothing but the Hand of God gave us GWB.

My mother always spoke of our Founding Fathers as Men Ordained by God.

If she was here today, I think she would tell you the same about GWB.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-17-2007, 04:12 PM

Naturalized-Texan:
I believe that God's hand led us to elect George W. Bush in 2000.

:question: If it was really God's hand that spared us in 2001, then couldn't the hand of this same God win the War on Terror for us, if we only trust Him? Or should we place our confidence in whatever politician we think is best equipped for that task, even if he's an individual whose personal politics could be displeasing to God?

DesertFox

11-17-2007, 04:18 PM

Theopolitics? :lol:

Good one.

Lubbock

11-17-2007, 04:25 PM

. . . same God win the War on Terror for us . . .

How about we do something for ourselves?

Heaven helps those who help themselves.

Maybe it's God's Plan that we have to be brought to our knees, then get up and fight for Him and ourselves.

. . . God win the War on Terror for us . . .

How about we win it for ourselves?

Then we might be worthy of our existence.

. . . God win the War on Terror for us . . .

I think I'll just sit back and let God provide a new car, a bigger house, and a fat bank account.

I think you and I grew up in a different church.

Maggie_T

11-17-2007, 04:27 PM

If she hadn't married BJ, she would be nothing more than a small town lawyer in Podunkville.

You know, N-T, there's those who would disagree.

Shortly after Blow Job Bill got elected to the WH, the following "rumor" started circulating.

Bill and Hill are at a party in honor of Bill's presidential victory. At one point, a handsome man comes to Hillary and greets her warmly. Bill asks his wife who the man was. Hillary replies "Oh, he's just someone I once dated. He's now a very accomplished and sought-after architect." Bill sneers and says "Well, well. Pity you didn't marry him. Today, you'be be the wife of an accomplished and sought-after archited."

"No, imbecile." replied his sweet wife, "If I'd married him, today he'd be president of the USA."

Oh, and another thing. Marrying Bill Clinton qualifies a woman to be eternally cuckolded. ;)

DesertFox

11-17-2007, 04:29 PM

I once thought that, but seeing how utterly inept Hillary is at public speaking, I doubt she has even half the brains she's credited with. She can't talk past 2-3 sentences without a "y'know," just like a kid with stage fright. A person like that couldn't even teach grade school.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-17-2007, 04:52 PM

Lubbock:
I think you and I grew up in a different church.

:unsmile: Apparently so. The church I go to teaches us to trust in & depend on God. "Heaven helps those who help themselves"? That verse isn't in my Bible. However, out of all the verses that are in the Bible, this one is in the exact middle:

http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/read.gif Psalm 118:
8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

:unsmile: My Bible also has this to say:

http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/read.gif Proverbs 3:
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and depart from evil.

Suzie

11-17-2007, 04:56 PM

The church of Poor Richard's Almanac? :biggrin:

Longhorn_Platinum

11-17-2007, 04:57 PM

:rotflmbo:

Lubbock

11-17-2007, 05:02 PM

LP, I Trust in the Lord.

I also want My Lord to know that he can trust me. And depend on me.

I pray daily that I live my life in a manner that makes God smile on me --and makes my mother and dad smile, too, because they're the ones who brought me up to live the life I live; to not bring shame on my God, my parents, nor myself. [Sometimes times I'm not real real proud of my language.]

But I was also taught to put feet to prayers.

EDIT: Well, Ha, Ha, Ha, Suzie and LP. I guess that just makes you both better Christians than me.

I'll try to do better.

Maybe I can get to Heaven along with the two of you.

Probably not.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-17-2007, 05:10 PM

Suzie

11-17-2007, 05:12 PM

Oh lighten up a little, Ben Franklin was a good man. He had lots of quotes about serving GOD helpful for anyone to know and share.

Naturalized-Texan

11-17-2007, 05:19 PM

You know, N-T, there's those who would disagree.
I probably should have added the part that I usually add:

Hitlery knew that she wasn't smart enough to get where she wanted to go, so she latched on to a charismatic young charlatan who she was convinced could take her where she wanted to go.

In other words, if she hadn't found such a charismatic young charlatan like BJ Clinton, she would be nothing more than a small town lawyer in Podunkville. She is the antithesis of a feminist: she needed a man to get her to where she wanted to go.

Suzie

11-17-2007, 05:23 PM

Hitlery knew that she wasn't smart enough to get where she wanted to go, so she latched on to a charismatic young charlatan who she was convinced could take her where she wanted to go.

In other words, if she hadn't found such a charismatic young charlatan like BJ Clinton, she would be nothing more than a small town lawyer in Podunkville. She is the antithesis of a feminist: she needed a man to get her to where she wanted to go.

I agree, these two feed off each other. Two parts of a whole scary.

Naturalized-Texan

11-17-2007, 05:38 PM

As I was scrolling through the posts in this thread, I couldn't help but notice that LP quoted a part of one of my posts. In case anyone is wondering, I have been scrolling past LP's posts without reading them for more than 2 years. He knows why, but I don't care to discuss it.

Lubbock

11-17-2007, 05:50 PM

Yes, LP. I will answer your question directly and unequivocally: Winning the War on Terror is far more important than ending abortion. That is my opinion and my belief. Apparently, your radical issue is abortion, and nothing other than ending abortion is important to you. This Nation --The United States of America, has a lot of long rows to hoe before abortion as we know it is ever ended.

It's like eating an elephant: one bite at a time. No President is going to end abortion with the stroke of a pen.

If we don't get this thing squared away with the Muslim Terrorists who have sworn to kill us all if we don't convert to Islam, then everything else is moot. Abortion is going to be the least of our problems.

I don't have any desire to get into a discussion with you concerning religion; I have never had any desire to discuss religion with Radical Christians nor Radical Athiests.

It's not that I don't Know Better, it's just that to discuss religion with a Radical of any stripe is an exercise in futility. Serves no purpose.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-17-2007, 06:05 PM

Lubbock:
If we don't get this thing squared away with the Muslim Terrorists who have sworn to kill us all if we don't convert to Islam, then everything else is moot.

:unsmile: That answers my question.

Abortion is going to be the least of our problems.

:unsmile: Ironically, if we lose the War on Terror, the moo-slims just might do what the Supreme Court refuses to do. But then, you're the one who said...

Maybe it's God's Plan that we have to be brought to our knees,...

I don't have any desire to get into a discussion with you concerning religion; I have never had any desire to discuss religion with Radical Christians nor Radical Athiests.

:unsmile: And yet... you did.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-17-2007, 06:10 PM

Naturalized-Texan:
As I was scrolling through the posts in this thread, I couldn't help but notice that LP quoted a part of one of my posts. In case anyone is wondering, I have been scrolling past LP's posts without reading them for more than 2 years.

:unsmile: Yeah, that's a good one. You scroll past my posts, while reading them. That Evelyn Wood course really paid off.

He knows why, but I don't care to discuss it.

:unsmile: Indeed, I do. And I'm still waiting for you to apologize for that BOLD-FACE LIE you told everyone about me.

Lubbock

11-17-2007, 06:13 PM

No, LP, I didn't.

I stated my beliefs. No debate or discussion.

What you consider to be a "discussion" ends here, ends now, because, as I stated in that post, any further comment or discussion is futile.

DesertFox

11-17-2007, 06:20 PM

Do we have the right to expect help from God to repel murderous moo-slims, while we have blood on our own hands?I don't think we have a right to expect much of anything of God. We do have the right to ask.

JMO

Naturalized-Texan

11-17-2007, 06:22 PM

Wyatt_Junker

11-17-2007, 06:31 PM

Does Marrying Bill Clinton Qualify Someone To Be President?

I think it does qualify her.

Having to hold your breath while Willy Jethro wake boarded across your jelly roll, then let several hundred foot-pounds per square inch of silent but deadlies fly while he see-sawed back and forth on top of you, well... it must have been like water boarding. Then, when he leaned forward heaving his entire body weight on you pinning you down like a sea manatee rolling over a small child, then whispered, 'whoever smelt it, dealt it' or 'hey baby, just chill, it'll only take a sec' then his entire helmet of unmoving grey man hair thrown back in ecstasy as he froze, then shuddered... ...that's not something anyone could ever forget.

At first, in her marriage, the waves of post traumatic stress syndrome washed over her as she rocked back and forth in the shower, her arms hugging herself, the emptiness inside her so deep, no one could understand. Not unless you had experienced that sick sweaty roller coaster of sexual sumo wrestling. Sex with Big C was like getting hit in the ass by the runaway cart of a hot dog vendor, over and over again.

Her sense of being alone was so great that she learned the quiet zen of not ever having to cry again. She steeled herself against his rough manners by adding layers and layers of unfeeling lacquer to every nerve ending, hiding her emotions underneath the 15 foot deep block of reinforced concrete that secures nuclear fuel rods. The kind of sociopathic dispassion that has been with her ever since, the raw cackle which sounds like bleeding out a goat in one's garage, the maniacal shrieking which emanates from the deep scars of unhealed schoolyard taunts.

Her body is like all those sci fi flix of superwomen. And why did spacewomen need all those shiny clothes? The steel skirt? The radioactive garder belt? Two metal discs to cover each breast?

Because of their husbands who made their lower lip quiver at the dinner table all those nights long long ago.

I say she's perfectly equipped for the presidency. If you can somehow get through the humping process of a full-scale, 4 on the floor, Jethro assault *the making of a Chelsey* then you can run this country.

Maggie_T

11-17-2007, 06:40 PM

Seabee

11-18-2007, 07:52 AM

:hahaha::hahaha: There is actually much more evidence that BJ had been brainwashed in Moscow than there is for NAU.

LMAO!! You want to tell me Billy Bob is a scum sucking communist sympathizer I will agree. You want to tell me he was in bed with the Ruskies and the Chinese, I will agree. But the Manchurian Candidate, lol. You need to get out more.

DesertFox

11-18-2007, 08:01 AM

Sweetie, the "rumor" never implied that it was her "brains" that helped Bill become president. :evilgrin: Um, honeypie, yes it did. That's why he offered "two for one" in 1992, and followed up on it by having her ruin run the health care thing. :evilgrin:

Suzie

11-18-2007, 08:36 AM

And she said when "we" are elected president. :eek:

RogerFGay

11-18-2007, 08:54 AM

Does Marrying Bill Clinton Qualify Someone To Be President?

Oh yeah, so long as you keep the machine in tact and put it at the spouse's disposal. That's what US politics is all about; nothing more, nothing less.

DesertFox

11-18-2007, 09:10 AM

It's what politics everywhere is about. Sadly, we have fallen so far from the beautiful system we inherited. We're now down not far above Mugabe and his ilk, and from there it's on down to Lenin and Hitler and their kind.

bigred1says

11-18-2007, 09:38 AM

The question I have is, if they were to get a divorce, would they still be brother and sister?

Seabee

11-19-2007, 01:16 PM

cerberus

11-20-2007, 07:04 PM

Does being the son of George H.W. Bush qualify someone to be President?

DesertFox

11-20-2007, 10:48 PM

No. But being the governor of a large state does. And winning your second term does.

Or is all that too obvious for you, cerb?

Maggie_T

11-21-2007, 11:01 AM

Game, set, match.

Well said, Fox. :claps:

Maggie_T

11-21-2007, 11:03 AM

Um, honeypie, yes it did. That's why he offered "two for one" in 1992,

Two sexualy incontinent clowns? :eek: Well, strike me pink. So much for Hillary being a frigid cow.

Aaron

11-21-2007, 11:16 AM

No. But being the governor of a large state does. And winning your second term does.

Or is all that too obvious for you, cerb?

I don't disagree, but Bush has been a big disappointment on a couple fronts, mainly illegal immigration. I have lost a lot of respect for him.

But I would pick him over John F. Skerry anyday of the week.

Aaron

11-21-2007, 11:25 AM

:unsmile: My initial questions were actually directed at Naturalized-Texan, not that I expected him to answer, since he knows better than to discuss religious topics with me. But since you've intervened on his behalf, I'll put a question to you. Is winning the War on Terror more important than ending abortion? Do we have the right to expect help from God to repel murderous moo-slims, while we have blood on our own hands?

:unsmile: Yeah, I'll put feet to my prayers. I'll vote pro-life, & hope that we can end the abortion holocaust, & only then can I expect God's hand to defend us from the enemy that is already past our doorstep. If He already intervened on 9/11, it's only because there are still people who are campaigning to end our national shame of abortion. Remember, God would have spared Sodom if Lot could have found just four more righteous men.

As a Christian, I agree with you. Look at Europe, and the deviant nature of their politics. The Netherlands are the freeist country in Europe? They can have gay weddings, abort babies up to term, and have sex with prostitutes? Great, but they are also going to be enslaved by Islam within the half century.

America will fall victim to attack again and again until we follow God's will. Until then, I think we are in for a long battle.

Oldeshooter

11-21-2007, 12:07 PM

Not unless her name is Hellery. She just married Bill to cover up her lesbianism and now she's reaping the perks.

Longhorn_Platinum

11-21-2007, 12:31 PM

:moo: Thank you, Aaron.

DesertFox

11-21-2007, 04:40 PM

:roar: if they were to get a divorce, would they still be brother and sister?

Maggie_T

11-21-2007, 07:43 PM

I don't disagree, but Bush has been a big disappointment on a couple fronts, mainly illegal immigration.

True, but that was not the point, Aaron. The point is that any sort of criticism on the Klintoons gets a knee-jerk reaction from cerberus. It's his hot button, you see. And if you really want to see our cerb lose it, just mention Blow Job Bill's sexual shenannigans. Then sit back and imagine milk spilling over a pot as soon as it starts boiling. Yeah, the reaction is that instant. :biggrin:

cerberus

11-27-2007, 02:07 PM

No. But being the governor of a large state does. And winning your second term does.

Or is all that too obvious for you, cerb?You don't honsestly think he'd be anywhere near where he is if he wasn't pappy Bush's son with all the connections and pull that name has, do you?
The article goes on and on about how Hillary wouldn't be where she is or qualified if she wasn't the spouse of Billo, which is undoubtedly true but the same arguement could have applied to W during his first run at the White House in many respects and certainly for his run at the Governorship.
As for being the Gov of Texas, the Executive there probably has the least responsibility and power of any one in the union. Not exactly the top of the resume pile, if not the bottom either. Generally speaking I'm leery of nepotism and political dynasties on either side and view their recent resurgence with trepidation.

(Jeb on the other hand...I could see him having done most of it by himself, but that's neither here nor there.)

I suppose the question could be asked, what DOES qualify someone for President, past Executive experience (a Gov) or National experiencce in Washington (Senator/Congressman)?

Rhino

11-27-2007, 02:53 PM

You don't honsestly think he'd be anywhere near where he is if he wasn't pappy Bush's son with all the connections and pull that name has, do you?Yes. Quite frankly, I had never heard of him before he ran for president, and since I didn't think his father was that great a president, if anything, that set the bar higher for him rather than lower.

I suppose the question could be asked, what DOES qualify someone for President, past Executive experience (a Gov) or National experiencce in Washington (Senator/Congressman)?No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.Other than winning the election, those are the only qualifications that really matter. We've had some very good presidents with no experience and some very bad presidents with lots of experience.

DesertFox

11-27-2007, 03:15 PM

You don't honsestly think he'd be anywhere near where he is if he wasn't pappy Bush's son with all the connections and pull that name has, do you?Yes, I do, but so what? Nobody -- nobody -- gets to be prez without a lotta help from other people, blood kin or not. Your point, IMO, is just silly. The main help to Bush was Karl the Rove, not Bush the Elder.
The article goes on and on about how Hillary wouldn't be where she is or qualified if she wasn't the spouse of Billo, which is undoubtedly true but the same arguement could have applied to W during his first run at the White House in many respects and certainly for his run at the Governorship.Not at all. George W. Bush, not George H. W. Bush, makes the decisions in his White House just as he made his decisions as Texas guv. It isn't at all clear that Hillary would be making her own decisions rather than running them thru Bill.
As for being the Gov of Texas, the Executive there probably has the least responsibility and power of any one in the union. Not exactly the top of the resume pile, if not the bottom either.Disagree. A guv with less power has to work with the legislature to get anything done, whereas a guv with a great deal of power doesn't have anywhere near the incentive to learn how to compromise and dicker and yet still have his own goals. If anything, the governorship of Texas is among the best training grounds for being prez.

Rhino

11-27-2007, 03:26 PM

I'm not so sure it wasn't Bill who wasn't making his own decisions without running them thru Hillary.

PrezLeefun

11-27-2007, 03:42 PM

Yes. Quite frankly, I had never heard of him before he ran for president, and since I didn't think his father was that great a president, if anything, that set the bar higher for him rather than lower.

For the record when Bush Sr. was pres, my (then liberal) mother hated him. But she loved his wife and thought that she should have been the president.

So based on that if you are liberal... yes; just being married to someone would be enough to qualify you for their job.

DesertFox

11-27-2007, 05:12 PM

I'm not so sure it wasn't Bill who wasn't making his own decisions without running them thru Hillary.I once thought that way, but no longer. Seeing how inept Hillary is on her own, with no script and no controlled environment, persuades me that she's no politician. Bill is. She has no clear idea how to go about getting something done via dickering, when to yield and when to push harder, but that is Bill's strong suit.

Naturalized-Texan

11-27-2007, 08:11 PM

You don't honsestly think he'd be anywhere near where he is if he wasn't pappy Bush's son with all the connections and pull that name has, do you?
But John McCain was pappy Bush's Republican establishment candidate in 2000. GW Bush ran against the establishment and won despite his pappy's name.

DeclinetoState

11-27-2007, 08:20 PM

What Suzie and DF said on Page 1 regarding one's mental state.

Wyatt_Junker

11-28-2007, 09:44 AM

I suppose the question could be asked, what DOES qualify someone for President, past Executive experience (a Gov) or National experiencce in Washington (Senator/Congressman)?

This one's easy. I'm surprised you even asked the question. But, you're Cerb.

Governors are more like CEOs whereas senators sit on their ass all day and vote on pet bills. Governors typically make better presidents in terms of their practical experience whereas senators are more equipped at hobnobbin' with other DC glorywhores.

Governors have to make gut calls, isolated judgments and sometimes those without consulting anyone. Senators rarely ever have to make those kinds of calls and are merely political instruments only, requiring no real talent other than 'yeah' or 'nay'.

Governors are managers, bosses and leaders. Senators are more suited to the role of a conjobber whose sole duty is to author bad(typically) legislation in order 'to look' busy. Governors have to lead or are held accountable. Senators are held accountable by no one and can sometimes hold lifetime appointments guaranteed by idiotic, robotic constituencies.

On the whole, while there have been many horrible governors they are usually outed, however, with senators there is very little accountability by comparison. Senators have the luxury of hiding, or better, doing nothing whenever a contentious bill floats by. There is no real responsibility at all for a senator. Not true for governors.