Rudy Giuliani vs. Ron Paul [Archive]

Lubbock

11-20-2007, 03:33 PM

Based solely on the fact that Paul has blamed America for the September 11, 2001 attacks, he would be the worst of the two. He would be worse than Hillary. He would be worse than OsamaObama.

The thing that everyone but a few of us miss, is that if we don't defeat Islamofacism, we are doomed, and all of he ret of it --all of the social issues that some hold so dear, is moot.

If we don't elect a president who will stand strong in this War on Terror, you can ust kiss the rest of it goodbye.

Do any of you have any idea what's going on in Canada with Sharia Law?

Do any of you have any idea that Muslims right here in the United States of America is pushing for a two-law system?

Folks, it's not just the bloody attacks around the world and here at home. It's this insidious mission-creep that is being pushed by organizations like CAIR --and the more political correctness we have crammed down our throats, the closer we get to just what the Muslims are puching.

It's not just the NEXT President --it's the next ten or twelve presidents.

I certainly don't want Rudy to be the Republican nominee, but I believe we stand a better chance of surviving with him at the helm than with any Democrat.

And certainly we don't want someone who is going to Blame America First for every ill known to man since Eve Ate The Apple.

Kill terrorists and slam the door on our open borders.

My two issues. In that order.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 03:42 PM

A Strong home defence is better than a back door where anyone can slip through. All of the troops around the world will be doing us no good if we continue to have these wide open borders and allow people to slip through at home.

We seriously need to fix our own problems at home. Social Security is a house of cards ready to fall, and every day we delay fixing government spending is another day closer to the house of cards collapsing to nothing. We cannot afford to police the rest of the world.

PrezLeefun

11-20-2007, 03:54 PM

Worse...... Ron Paul.

jayson

11-20-2007, 04:52 PM

Longhorn_Platinum

11-20-2007, 04:52 PM

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l294/Longhorn_Platinum/semi-serious.gif At least The Ghoul doesn't give pro-lifers a bad name.

The_Elucidator

11-20-2007, 05:32 PM

The Ghoul. All of hit pitfalls aside, it sets the stage for future abominations to be churned out by the GOP.

They now see that the honest God fearing conservatives, which make up for half of the country, will vote for a lying liberal conman so long as he has an R behind his name.

And the OTHER half of the country will vote for a KNOWN CRIMINAL because she has a D behind her name... What's your point?

Aaron

11-20-2007, 05:52 PM

Anyone voting for Guiliani is a damned idiot. The two don't even compare. I am starting to not give a rat's ass about what goes on in other parts of the world. Let the fundies kill eachother off.

We need to worry about our own problems. This includes border security, a big one of mine, and fixing (or scrapping) defunct programs like SS. I am all for a war against Iran when the time comes (it will) but I am sick to death of this stupid war in Iraq, where we have and continue to accomplish nothing. As soon as we leave, in five, ten, twenty, fifty years, the fundies will be right back fighting their government. That is the nature of those religious groups, they kill people.

Ron Paul, unlike Guiliani, is a conservative. While he may not be on par with the rest of you guys, I would rather have him as president than that trash Guiliani.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 06:05 PM

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We need to worry about our own problems. This includes border security, a big one of mine, and fixing (or scrapping) defunct programs like SS.

God I wish it was as easy as scrapping social securlity, but with a huge segment of of populace reaching retirement age right now we have some serious problems. The baby boomers didnt come anywhere near close to having enough kids to support them through SSI. Add to the fact that they have been spending money as fast as they can means that you are going to have a huge ammount of old timers screaming thier heads off when they realize that they simply wont be able to retire anymore. The social security trust fund is mostly just government I.O.U.s. We will start seeing the tip of the iceburg very soon as the first of the baby boomers begin taking early benefits at Age 62. For my old man that is less than one year away.

MB

jayson

11-20-2007, 06:06 PM

And the OTHER half of the country will vote for a KNOWN CRIMINAL because she has a D behind her name... What's your point?

My point is that unless the GOP supporters show the GOP leadership that this Liberal-Light nomination stuff isn't going to fly, we will just be getting more and more of the same nominees that we have been getting.

If we have to suffer through 4 years of Clinton supreme reign to make our message crystal clear, then I think that is what we have to do.

But we are talking as if we are done with the primaries. There is still time to turn this around! Now is not the time to be assuming everything is set in stone. I may not support FDT, but I would encourage you all to get out and start spreading his message.

An unfortunate part of being a supporter of the GOP seems to be that we aren't particularly willing to get out and spread the word of our preferred candidate. We would just rather go vote on November 4th every four years. This election is different, and we do not have that luxury. We are going to have to work to save this country.

Jack_Savage

11-20-2007, 07:46 PM

I am starting to not give a rat's ass about what goes on in other parts of the world.

Awwww, come on, don't be so modest. I'll bet you grew up that way, kinda a natural knowing on your part. Be honest, when did you ever care about the Joooooooooooo's, as you called them or was that GG who called them that? Tell the truth.

Just to show the difference between you and me I'd be willing to die for Israel. Or any of our allies for that matter. Those who stand beside us in this war deserve America honering her word. I guess that means nothing to you.

Ron Paul, unlike Guiliani, is a conservative. While he may not be on par with the rest of you guys, I would rather have him as president than that trash Guiliani.

somehow I had a sneakng suspicion that was coming. A Ron Paul ball-boy I knew it. The only wierd thing about your campaigning is you know Ron Paul will lose, so then you say that would be okay to have Hillary in for 4 years.

I'm starting to get the feeling, you would then start saying "well I was always for Hillary getting in." I guess I have to ask you Aaron, are you in fact posting here hoping to sway votes, wanting Hillary to get in?

Aaron

11-20-2007, 08:17 PM

Awwww, come on, don't be so modest. I'll bet you grew up that way, kinda a natural knowing on your part. Be honest, when did you ever care about the Joooooooooooo's, as you called them or was that GG who called them that? Tell the truth.

Just to show the difference between you and me I'd be willing to die for Israel. Or any of our allies for that matter. Those who stand beside us in this war deserve America honering her word. I guess that means nothing to you.

somehow I had a sneakng suspicion that was coming. A Ron Paul ball-boy I knew it. The only wierd thing about your campaigning is you know Ron Paul will lose, so then you say that would be okay to have Hillary in for 4 years.

I'm starting to get the feeling, you would then start saying "well I was always for Hillary getting in." I guess I have to ask you Aaron, are you in fact posting here hoping to sway votes, wanting Hillary to get in?

You like to lay it on thick. Troll. Me supporting Ron Paul over Guiliani does not mean I support Ron Paul over other candidates. I support almost anyone over Guiliani. If I had to pick between the two, it wouldn't even be a contest.

Please, do me the favor and go die for Israel. Me, I would die for my family. And if needed be, for this country. Not to say I don't care about Israel, I think the Jews are the rightful owners of that land. Again, putting words into people's mouthes. It is tiresome. You are a bore, and you are going on my ignore list.

To quote you, The only wierd thing about your campaigning is you know Rudy Guiliani will lose, so then you say that would be okay to have Hillary in for 4 years.

I'm starting to get the feeling, you would then start saying "well I was always for Hillary getting in." I guess I have to ask you Democrat4Liberal, are you in fact posting here hoping to sway votes, wanting Hillary to get in?

Naturalized-Texan

11-20-2007, 08:34 PM

Ron Paul is a traitor. Nuff said.

Aaron

11-20-2007, 08:45 PM

Ron Paul is a traitor. Nuff said.

I don't think he is a traitor. I think he has many admirable qualities. I think he has flaws, and is misguided. But I don't believe he is a traitor. I believe if you could take much of what he stands for fiscally, and combine them into someone with social conservative positions, we would have a dream candidate.

What he lacks is a strong position on international defense, and that to me is not acceptable in today's world. We have to take the lead role in preventing extremist Islam from spreading. We need to destroy Shi'ite governments in Iran and Syria.

Ron Paul is not a traitor, but he is extremely misguided on this one important issue.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 08:53 PM

Ron Paul is a traitor. Nuff said.

and you like to see more dead soldiers. Nuff said.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 08:55 PM

I don't think he is a traitor. I think he has many admirable qualities. I think he has flaws, and is misguided. But I don't believe he is a traitor. I believe if you could take much of what he stands for fiscally, and combine them into someone with social conservative positions, we would have a dream candidate.

What he lacks is a strong position on international defense, and that to me is not acceptable in today's world. We have to take the lead role in preventing extremist Islam from spreading. We need to destroy Shi'ite governments in Iran and Syria.

Ron Paul is not a traitor, but he is extremely misguided on this one important issue.

He may not have a strong external defence but he is big on internal defence.

Aaron

11-20-2007, 08:59 PM

He may not have a strong external defence but he is big on internal defence.

I respect that, and I respect his positions on illegal immigration. That is an admirable quality.

But how far can internal defense carry our country? What will happen if we idly sit around and watch as foreign regimes develop weapons of mass destruction? Should we wait for France or Germany to take action? They have expressed their desire to prevent Iran from aquiring the weapon, but have done nothing except threaten to put more sanctions on Iran.

Heck, even the United States has done nothing to pressure them.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 09:14 PM

I respect that, and I respect his positions on illegal immigration. That is an admirable quality.

But how far can internal defense carry our country? What will happen if we idly sit around and watch as foreign regimes develop weapons of mass destruction? Should we wait for France or Germany to take action? They have expressed their desire to prevent Iran from aquiring the weapon, but have done nothing except threaten to put more sanctions on Iran.

Heck, even the United States has done nothing to pressure them.

There are already plenty of nuclear countries. Some are friendly some are not, all are a potential danger to us. The key to to make sure they stay outside our country. Right now Iran doesnt have a delivery system that can get a nuke to us, unless they walk it accross the borber or ship it in a contaner ship. If we shore up the ways to get into the country we would be a hell of a lot more safe than we are at present. I mean is a million mexicans can infiltrate the country surely a bomb can.

Fix the problems at home, then worry about the rest of the world.

Also, if we do nothing the Isralies would handle anything they consider a true threat. Why not let someone else do the leg work for a change.

MB

Aaron

11-20-2007, 09:21 PM

There are already plenty of nuclear countries. Some are friendly some are not, all are a potential danger to us. The key to to make sure they stay outside our country. Right now Iran doesnt have a delivery system that can get a nuke to us, unless they walk it accross the borber or ship it in a contaner ship. If we shore up the ways to get into the country we would be a hell of a lot more safe than we are at present. I mean is a million mexicans can infiltrate the country surely a bomb can.

Fix the problems at home, then worry about the rest of the world.

Also, if we do nothing the Isralies would handle anything they consider a true threat. Why not let someone else do the leg work for a change.

MB

Israel can only protect itself so much from a neighbor next door with a nuclear weapon. I believe Israel could easily take on Iran, but not an Iran with a nuclear weapon. I believe Israel has the bomb as well, and a whole host of problems would arise if Iran gets the bomb.

I agree about protecting the country. It is really quite pathetic that millions of Mexicans have invaded our country. Makes me wonder how much longer until something much worse than an illegal invades.

Jack_Savage

11-20-2007, 09:35 PM

Again, putting words into people's mouthes.

Don't feel sorry for yourself. Be responsible for what you communicate to others. For example, knowingly voting for a third party candidate over the Republican Nominee, knowing that would support Hillary to take the White House as you said in another post, is as covert as it gets. To then post one post after another as to all of the qualities you see in Ronny Paul is leads everyone but a fool to conclude your agenda is suspect.

Ron Paul is a traitor to the people who voted for him in the past. He lied to them in all implications when pleading for their vote. He is a grim, low down, puke who puts his own personal ambition above what is good for America by openly obstructing the President in a time of war.

Anybody who supports that needs to go on a National Security watch list. Period, end of story. The Skin-heads and the Radical-Militant left all carry water at the behest of our enemys. On parallel tracks, funded by our enemies. Google the Heritage Front if you need further information.

Its embarrassing to listen to you talk about voting for him when our soldiers are dying at this moment, fighting off the efforts of Ron Pauls network and cowardly plan. He smacks that stupid look on his face when the spotlight shines on him, but he knows the color of the stripes down the back of his support, its yellow. Its the fear forces. The weenies who have sold their soul for a supersized meal of shakes, burgers and fries. Nothing more notable than that. Gimmie-gimmie-gimmie. cry-babys hoping to be accepted. Just a hunger to be part of something. He was the only one who took them. He is the new Mommie to the pathetic pandering losers. What does that tell you?

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 09:45 PM

You know, now that I realize just how much of a troll you are democrap4rudy. Its becoming easier and easier to ignore your nonsence.

MB

TeenageRepublican

11-20-2007, 09:51 PM

Ron Paul, Rudy, in my opinion, is A LOT more conservative and would keep us in the war which needs to be fought.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 09:54 PM

Ron Paul, Rudy, in my opinion, is A LOT more conservative and would keep us in the war which needs to be fought.

Hmm well assume that we stayed in Iraq and invaded Iran. You're about draft age. Are you ready for that? It's easy to say a war is justified when its not your ass on the line. Think about it for a second.

MB

HomeschoolrsRUs

11-20-2007, 09:58 PM

There has been a lot of debating over Rudy Giuliani, and a lot of debating over Ron Paul. Most of us are "mainline conservatives" who prefer neither to receive the nomination.

Hypothetically, who do you think would be more damaging if given the nomination?

Both.

Rhino

11-20-2007, 10:16 PM

TeenageRepublican

11-20-2007, 10:23 PM

Hmm well assume that we stayed in Iraq and invaded Iran. You're about draft age. Are you ready for that? It's easy to say a war is justified when its not your ass on the line. Think about it for a second.

MB

My theroy about the draft is also my brother's. If the country's so desperate enough to get troops that they start a draft, then I might as well join. I don't think there'll be a draft, though. I do not want to expierence war, I don't know how soldiers stomach it. Plus the fact that most of the soldiers that do have their asses on the line are pro-war.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 10:33 PM

My theroy about the draft is also my brother's. If the country's so desperate enough to get troops that they start a draft, then I might as well join. I don't think there'll be a draft, though. I do not want to expierence war, I don't know how soldiers stomach it. Plus the fact that most of the soldiers that do have their asses on the line are pro-war.

Actually soldiers have contributed more to Ron Paul than any other candidate. Our volunteer army is stretched to its limit now. If you want to take on more countries you'd better start thinking about a draft.

Now if you want to join thats another thing. The military can be a great benefit to the people that join, right now its a bit of a gamble though. Just remember you may benefit from the experiance, but you could also die (Or worse) from it.

MB

jayson

11-20-2007, 10:35 PM

Paul, hands down. Isolationism would eventually result in far more dead soldiers than we will ever see in Iraq. Only ostriches think they're safe when they hide from the rest of the world. I don't like Rudy, but at least he's not that stupid.

Ron Paul isn't an isolationist.

It could be argued that Bush's current policy is one of isolationism. When we invade countries on the drop of the hat, we alienate more countries than we befriend. If this is continued for long enough (as it has), you end up with an unofficial policy of isolation. That's what is happening to us as we speak. Even Britain, our greatest ally, doesn't even see us as a friend any more (though this could be due in part to them bringing in a Scot as a PM). The English people tire of American top-dog antics and America is losing popularity across the globe. If we stay on our current course, we will end up with no friends and many more enemies than we ever intended for.

TeenageRepublican

11-20-2007, 10:38 PM

Now if you want to join thats another thing. The military can be a great benefit to the people that join, right now its a bit of a gamble though. Just remember you may benefit from the experiance, but you could also die (Or worse) from it.

MB

My brother's joining pretty soon. He's sort of in between Pro-War and Anti-War. I don't know for sure, he might just become a cop. But it's a 50/50 chance.

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 10:42 PM

My brother's joining pretty soon. He's sort of in between Pro-War and Anti-War. I don't know for sure, he might just become a cop. But it's a 50/50 chance.

Well, I wish him well. Its a noble thing he does never forget that.

MB

Jack_Savage

11-20-2007, 11:01 PM

You know, now that I realize just how much of a troll you are democrap4rudy. Its becoming easier and easier to ignore your nonsence.

MBhttp://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/whine000.gif

I really wish you would. Listening to you slobber all over Ron Paul is embarrassing.

Do not respond to me again!

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 11:03 PM

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/whine000.gif

I really wish you would. Listening to you slobber all over Ron Paul is embarrassing.

Do not respond to me again!

AHAHAHAHA TROLL Ahahahahaha.

Jack_Savage

11-20-2007, 11:03 PM

Madbomber

11-20-2007, 11:04 PM

Are you insinuating he would join the forces at coward.com, Ron Pauls compound???

Still laughing at you AHAHAHAHAHA......

Jack_Savage

11-20-2007, 11:10 PM

Actually soldiers have contributed more to Ron Paul than any other candidate. Our volunteer army is stretched to its limit now. If you want to take on more countries you'd better start thinking about a draft.

That makes no sense, but nothing you have said makes sense. Volunteer's contributing to a candidate who is against what they volunteered to do.

Ha! Another example of the Ron Paul's grim Ass-ology. (head up his ass)http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/whine000.gif

Naturalized-Texan

11-21-2007, 09:32 AM

I don't think he is a traitor.

Ron Paul is not a traitor, but he is extremely misguided on this one important issue.
Since he is giving aid and comfort to our enemies - the terrorists - in a time of war, he is committing treason as defined in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution. Therefore, he is a traitor.

Naturalized-Texan

11-21-2007, 09:35 AM

Ron Paul isn't an isolationist.

It could be argued that Bush's current policy is one of isolationism. When we invade countries on the drop of the hat, we alienate more countries than we befriend. If this is continued for long enough (as it has), you end up with an unofficial policy of isolation. That's what is happening to us as we speak. Even Britain, our greatest ally, doesn't even see us as a friend any more (though this could be due in part to them bringing in a Scot as a PM). The English people tire of American top-dog antics and America is losing popularity across the globe. If we stay on our current course, we will end up with no friends and many more enemies than we ever intended for.
When you spew hate-America venom like that, it's easy to see why you support a traitor for president.

jayson

11-21-2007, 11:46 AM

When you spew hate-America venom like that, it's easy to see why you support a traitor for president.

There is that little inconvenient fact, though, NT, that I in fact love America. Please... to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is "spewing hate-America venom"... well, that's just much to black-and-white for my tastes. The world is all shades of gray NT. Things just aren't that simple.

Rhino

11-21-2007, 01:32 PM

Ron Paul isn't an isolationist.And the sun rises in the west.

It could be argued that Bush's current policy is one of isolationism.So could the sun rising in the west.

Naturalized-Texan

11-21-2007, 01:36 PM

There is that little inconvenient fact, though, NT, that I in fact love America. Please... to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is "spewing hate-America venom"... well, that's just much to black-and-white for my tastes. The world is all shades of gray NT. Things just aren't that simple.
:hahaha::hahaha: You're joking of course. :hahaha::hahaha:

Your "shades of gray" comment makes you sound like a John-Kerry-type liberal. Kerry often talked about "nuances" - delicate shadings of meanings, feelings, or values. That's the way liberals think, so your "shades of gray" comment merely enhances my original opinion that you are a liberal troll :troll: who came here to disrupt our conservative board. :trollhook:

jayson

11-21-2007, 02:27 PM

That's the way liberals think, so your "shades of gray" comment merely enhances my original opinion that you are a liberal troll who came here to disrupt our conservative board.

You are more than welcome to think what you want of me. But as I said in another thread ( http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showpost.php?p=606401&postcount=214 ) that I am genuinely interested in others' opinions and I am here to disrupt no one.

Naturalized-Texan

11-21-2007, 04:04 PM

You are more than welcome to think what you want of me. But as I said in another thread ( http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showpost.php?p=606401&postcount=214 ) that I am genuinely interested in others' opinions and I am here to disrupt no one.
You claim that you didn't come here to disrupt, yet you are doing an excellent job of disrupting.