NYC murders seldom due to strangers

[DesertFox]

New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 homicides this year, by far the lowest number in a 12-month period since reliable Police Department statistics became available in 1963.

But within the city’s official crime statistics is a figure that may be even more striking: so far, with roughly half the killings analyzed, only 35 were found to be committed by strangers, a microscopic statistic in a city of more than 8.2 million.

If that trend holds up, fewer than 100 homicide victims in New York City this year will have been strangers to their assailants. The vast majority died in disputes with friends or acquaintances, with rival drug gang members or — to a far lesser degree — with romantic partners, spouses, parents and others.

The low number of killings by strangers belies the common imagery that New Yorkers are vulnerable to arbitrary attacks on the streets, or die in robberies that turn fatal.

More (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/23/nyregion/23murder.html?ei=5065&en=e317f6d8d8c57dde&ex=1196485200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print)

[DesertFox]

Just shows to go, you better stay on good terms with Aunt Bertha.

[Lubbock]

{{{{{{{{{{Rolling My Eyes}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

The New York Times.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the vast, vast majority of murder victims killed by someone they know?

[DesertFox]

I think that's what the story said.

[Lubbock]

Which I guess was my unspoken point: New York City having to beat it's collective chest because visitors to their fair city are not "vulnerable to arbitrary attacks on the streets, or die in robberies that turn fatal."

Perhaps the only city on the planet that would find solace in the fact.

It's okay if the folks who know one another are killing each other.

Perhaps I'm just being snotty because of my deep and abiding contempt for New York City.

[DesertFox]

:rotflmbo:

I agree with you, though. I know folks who think it's a big deal to go see The Big Apple. For me, that's the last place I'd wanna visit, be seen, meet the pope, kick my dog, screw the most desirable woman in the universe, die, or anything else.

[Suzie]

We took the kids before my husband deployed so they could see where the towers were and maybe understand a little more about why daddy had to go.

[DesertFox]

You mean you didn't get murdered while there? :D

[Suzie]

Not when I had my GI Joe with me. ;) You couldn't pay me to go without him.

[CzechPrince]

:rotflmbo:

I agree with you, though. I know folks who think it's a big deal to go see The Big Apple. For me, that's the last place I'd wanna visit, be seen, meet the pope, kick my dog, screw the most desirable woman in the universe, die, or anything else.

And I want to move there after I graduate.

[Rhino]

And I want to move there after I graduate.Just don't get to know anybody. They might kill you.

[PrezLeefun]

^^^^Jesus Christ guys.... did you totally forget me??? The NICE New Yorker.

[Rhino]

We're just pokin fun at CP, Prez.

[Maggie_T]

:rotflmbo:

I agree with you, though. I know folks who think it's a big deal to go see The Big Apple. For me, that's the last place I'd wanna visit, be seen, meet the pope, kick my dog, screw the most desirable woman in the universe, die, or anything else.

I hear the shopping is great ... as long as you're not mugged coming out of one of them shops. :biggrin:

[PrezLeefun]

We're just pokin fun at CP, Prez.

I know.... I'm playin' too.

[Suzie]

I know.... I'm playin' too.

How do we know you haven't killed anyone? :biggrin:

I guess there might be one nice New Yorker. Were you born there?

[DesertFox]

I want to move there after I graduate.
Just don't get to know anybody. They might kill you. http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/doggie.gif

[DesertFox]

how do we know you haven't killed anyone? http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/joker.gif

[Riverboat]

I know.... I'm playin' too.All kidding aside, I've always had a fond place in my heart for New York. It conjures up images of the American forces under Washington facing impossible numbers of British. The beautiful Art Deco movement and its apotheosis in the Empire State Building. The graceful urbanity of the early 20th century. The witty repartee of the Algonquin Round Table. The tender harmonies of Simon and Garfunkel.

I'm sorry that your wonderful city was utterly ruined singlehandedly by the most notorious RINO of all ages - David Lindsay.

But I'm a big-city boy at heart. You can't imagine the thrill I felt when I, along with some 200 members of the University of Houston Marching Band were dropped off in the middle of Times Square to take in the sights days before the Garden State Bowl game against Navy.

Would I go back to New York? In a New York minute!!!

[PrezLeefun]

How do we know you haven't killed anyone? :biggrin:

I guess there might be one nice New Yorker. Were you born there?

If I had killed anyone there would be less liberals. :evilgrin:

And yes Born and Raised.

[Suzie]

Prez has identified the problem, there are too many people there the normal people would want to kill. :lol:

[PrezLeefun]

All kidding aside, I've always had a fond place in my heart for New York. It conjures up images of the American forces under Washington facing impossible numbers of British. The beautiful Art Deco movement and its apotheosis in the Empire State Building. The graceful urbanity of the early 20th century. The witty repartee of the Algonquin Round Table. The tender harmonies of Simon and Garfunkel.

I'm sorry that your wonderful city was utterly ruined singlehandedly by the most notorious RINO of all ages - David Lindsay.

But I'm a big-city boy at heart. You can't imagine the thrill I felt when I, along with some 200 members of the University of Houston Marching Band were dropped off in the middle of Times Square to take in the sights days before the Garden State Bowl game against Navy.

Would I go back to New York? In a New York minute!!!



YAY!!!!!! Someone who understands! I love this place. It does have so much wonderful history. I am lucky I live here so I can take it all in bit by bit. I think too often tourist get a bit overwhemled by the size and rush of NYC. Like any big city there is a huge gap between the glamorous and the dilapitated. That can lead to many misconceptions about this place.

I understand how the study can still make a person raise an eyebrow and ask how is one murder day a good thing. Even though its still a murder everyday its not 6 a day or more like it used to be.

I have seen this city change for the better since I was a child. In my experience NYC is beautiful, historical, KIND, and fun. Its the people who make it that way.

[PrezLeefun]

Prez has identified the problem, there are too many people there the normal people would want to kill. :lol:

LOL.

[gnome]

Maybe one of you who know New York so well can confirm an idea of mine. It occurred to me on my one visit to NYC (which I adored BTW) in January 2000. Times Square is absolutely stunning, day or night.

Back to the point. On my first morning there I happened to walk into a random bagel shop and noticed how hectic the pace. The line was long, but moving much faster than I am used to for, say, a Dunkin Donuts here in Florida. This was because everyone was keeping their order simple, and being ready to make the order as soon as they were at the counter. If someone ordered something complicated, or seemed uncertain of what they wanted, the tension in the room (and the attitude of the order-taker) worsened noticeably. I decided to alter my order from something I might pore over at an Einstein Bagel to a simple toasted plain bagel with cream cheese. I didn't regret it. A few minutes later I was back at my hotel room with the best toasted plain bagel with cream cheese I had ever eaten.

So what was my realization? That New Yorkers like to behave more efficiently as a crowd. Looked at another way... when the New Yorker in line in front of you is acting impatient, it's as much because he doesn't want to waste YOUR time as his own. It's a form of courtesy.

Am I accurate on this?

[Venus de Smilo]

^^^^Jesus Christ guys.... did you totally forget me??? The NICE New Yorker.
You're just about the one and only!

[PrezLeefun]

Maybe one of you who know New York so well can confirm an idea of mine. It occurred to me on my one visit to NYC (which I adored BTW) in January 2000. Times Square is absolutely stunning, day or night.

Back to the point. On my first morning there I happened to walk into a random bagel shop and noticed how hectic the pace. The line was long, but moving much faster than I am used to for, say, a Dunkin Donuts here in Florida. This was because everyone was keeping their order simple, and being ready to make the order as soon as they were at the counter. If someone ordered something complicated, or seemed uncertain of what they wanted, the tension in the room (and the attitude of the order-taker) worsened noticeably. I decided to alter my order from something I might pore over at an Einstein Bagel to a simple toasted plain bagel with cream cheese. I didn't regret it. A few minutes later I was back at my hotel room with the best toasted plain bagel with cream cheese I had ever eaten.

So what was my realization? That New Yorkers like to behave more efficiently as a crowd. Looked at another way... when the New Yorker in line in front of you is acting impatient, it's as much because he doesn't want to waste YOUR time as his own. It's a form of courtesy.

Am I accurate on this?

Yes you are right. That is a very good observation.

No New Yorker (and I mean true New Yorker not newbie yuppies) would ever purposely be rude (though accidental rudeness may happen).

We live in a city that is run completely on punctuality. New Yorkers love being on time. And to keep time spare we rush. Often people take the rush of the average New Yorker for rudeness.

It is exactly what you said... a courtesy. When we bring that same rush to other places it is extremely hard for us to slow down and get used to a slow pace. So if we seem uppity and impatient its just a force of habit.

And you know something else.... New Yorkers have the opposite problem with tourists. I love that people love to come here.... but you guys walk so slow. Its is hell trying to get someplace when ya'll are doing 5 mph and we are trying to do 7-8 mph. lol:rotflmbo:

[hellinon]

All kidding aside, I've always had a fond place in my heart for New York. It conjures up images of the American forces under Washington facing impossible numbers of British. The beautiful Art Deco movement and its apotheosis in the Empire State Building. The graceful urbanity of the early 20th century. The witty repartee of the Algonquin Round Table. The tender harmonies of Simon and Garfunkel.

I'm sorry that your wonderful city was utterly ruined singlehandedly by the most notorious RINO of all ages - David Lindsay.

But I'm a big-city boy at heart. You can't imagine the thrill I felt when I, along with some 200 members of the University of Houston Marching Band were dropped off in the middle of Times Square to take in the sights days before the Garden State Bowl game against Navy.

Would I go back to New York? In a New York minute!!!

Just remember that about half the war was fought down south, too :)

[CzechPrince]

I hear the shopping is great ... as long as you're not mugged coming out of one of them shops. :biggrin:

I feel safe in NY, you have a better chance at getting mugged in DC, I can tell you that much.

[TeenageRepublican]

Spiderman knows who the killers are in this forum...

[Riverboat]

Just remember that about half the war was fought down south, too :)Indeed! I have not forgotten the Southern campaign of the esteemed Nathanael Greene who was personally appointed by General George Washington.