"Native" Americans no more Native than the white man.

[CONSERVATIVE HERO]

First Americans All from Siberia, Study Confirms (http://www.livescience.com/history/071127-genetic-bridge.html)

By Dave Mosher (http://www.livescience.com/history/dmosher@imaginova.com), LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 27 November 2007 12:05 pm ET



Humans somehow made their way into the Americas from distant lands, but knowing precisely when and from where they made the journey are matters of heated scientific debate.

New genetic evidence, however, backs up a chilly northwestern arrival (http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=071127-land-bridge-02.jpg&cap=A+view+of+the+Bering+Strait+land+bridge%2C+as+ it+would+have+appeared+about+21%2C000+years+ago.+H umans+probably+migrated+across+the+temporary+link+ to+the+New+World%2C+recent+genetic+evidence+sugges ts.+Credit%3A+NOAA&title=First+Americans+All+from+Siberia%2C+Study+Co nfirms&title=First%20Americans%20All%20from%20Siberia,%20 Study%20Confirms) to North America from Siberia about 12,000 years ago, via a temporary land bridge spanning the Bering Strait. The findings further challenge an alternative idea that humans sprinkled in to both North and South America on open sea voyages 30,000 years in the past.

"We have reasonably clear genetic evidence that the most likely candidate for the source of Native American populations is somewhere in east Asia," said Noah Rosenberg, a genetic researcher at the University of Michigan Medical School. .....

[Aaron]

I thought this was already a scientific fact? They thought that they came from Asia on boats or something?

[TeenageRepublican]

"Native" Americans no more Native than the white man...


Surprise, surprise, the Native's turn out not to know what they're talking about.

[Aaron]

So if these NATIVES were from Siberia and not the Americas originally, than why the hell do they think they own this land?

Stop telling US to go back to where we belong when YOU can just hop right on back to Siberia! Let's buy them land in Siberia for the illegals to have for themselves to keep them happy!

[BabyBeastie]

Why don't they ever say that they were here first and ventured to Siberia, Asia, etc.?

Even to this day we have people who leave perfectly good weather to explore the North and South Poles.

WTF...

[DeclinetoState]

It appears that their motivation for leaving Siberia and coming here involved global climate change. Therefore, Bush must be held responsible!

:grin:

[DesertFox]

"Native" Americans no more Native than the white man

* yawn *

I been saying this since the 1970's.

[Seabee]

Yah , what Fox said. This is old news. These buggers were renting longer than we were, that is it. So, they have squatters rights? I would even bet a nickel to a dollar that there were indigenous people here before the Injuns' got here and they comitted a little genocide of their own. We will never know.

[CONSERVATIVE HERO]

Yah , what Fox said. This is old news.
I know that. I've mentioned it before in another post long before this one. There are, however, people who don't know it (like leftists, Siberian [as opposed to "native"] Americans, etc.). I post it for them. :biggrin:

[Seabee]

Well at least you are an LSU fan. :thumb:

[Rhino]

So the southwest doesn't belong to Mexico. Mexico belongs to Russia.

[Lazarus]

Im as Native as any other person who was BORN in the United States... Anyone BORN here is a Native American... That's why I have always preferred to use the term American Indian for the indigenous people who were occupying this continent when the Europeans arrived...

Oh, and for the record, much of the area East of the Mississippi River is dotted with prehistoric man-made "temple mounds" which have been excavated and researched for the artifacts they include... And it waqs determined years back that the mound builders were NOT the same race as those we call American Indians - They were an entirely different ethnic group... So the American Indians were simply the current residents on this continent when the European explorers arrived...

IOW, they took it from someone else... Have a nice day...

[DesertFox]

:roar: So the southwest doesn't belong to Mexico. Mexico belongs to Russia.

[Lazarus]

Hell no! We're feedin em... If anyone's gonna snag their oil fields its gonna be us...

Monroe Doctrine!!!!:flame:

[DesertFox]

I confess, it was my own alien race that populated America before the Indians came to this planet from Zambino 3. We lived here for 14 gajillion lunar cycles, stealing the nutrients from the soil, sucking up the water and counting mastadon farts, which is why there is so much confusion.

No. Don't ask. You are not authorized to know.

[Lazarus]

Is that the alen race that has no genitalia?:question:




:D

[Gonzo67]

I thought this was already a scientific fact? They thought that they came from Asia on boats or something?


Actually, the "Land Bridge" theory has been around for quite a long time. I remember learning about this when I was in grade school. I got out of the Navy over 20 years ago, so grade school was quite a bit before that.


So if these NATIVES were from Siberia and not the Americas originally, than why the hell do they think they own this land?

Stop telling US to go back to where we belong when YOU can just hop right on back to Siberia! Let's buy them land in Siberia for the illegals to have for themselves to keep them happy!


Well, first off, Native Americans as they were BEFORE the Europeans arrived, had no words for "ownership". They did not consider their "personal property" to be "owned" by them. Things in the "Indian's" community were communal.

They never claimed to "own" the land. They contested the Europeans claim of showing up and taking possession of the land. The Natives believed that you can not "posses" or "own" the land, it's part of nature.

As for telling the Europeans to leave... well, what are we "Europeans" doing? Granted, today is a different world, and "Land Ownership" is now "valid" as much as the laws of man can make it valid. So we tell people to "get off my land" all the time. We are backed up by the law when we do so. But who wrote the laws? The European settlers. They began it. Before them, No one "owned" the land. It was an unconceivable notion to the ones here before us.

But the "Native Americans" are not the ones telling us to "Go back to where we came from", it's the mexicans. And the mexicans are wrong in their assumption. They TOO are "immigrants" The land they claimed in this country was lost by them in wars. Some of it was SOLD by them to our government through treaties. They have no "legal" claim on any of it. They seem to think that because they don't agree with the treaties, or the results of history, they're entitled to call a "do-over" and take back what they sold, but you'll never hear mention of a "refund" on monies paid to them for the land.


Surprise, surprise, the Native's turn out not to know what they're talking about.


If you look at the TRUE "Native Americans", not the ones that run casinos today, or move to reservations and blame the "white man" for their troubles, but the ones in history. The ones living on the plains, hunting, fishing, and foraging to feed the people of their village, you'll never find a more spiritual people. Those "Indians" believe what, frankly I feel ALL Christians should agree with. GOD made the world, GOD made the land. How can you possibly presume to "OWN" something GOD has made? As far as the Native Americans were concerned, the Gods "owned" the land. They were existing on what the Gods created. They opposed the Europeans notions of "claiming land" for THEIR "ownership".

Your own bible tells you that EVERYONE, no matter WHERE they live, their line began as immigrants to that land. After all, do you not believe Humans are descended from Adam and Eve? If you're the Christian you say you are, then you must. And if we are in fact all descended from Adam and Eve, we're all originally from one little patch of earth referred to as a "Garden". Granted, your "immigrant" status is multi-generational, but your family is STILL a family of "immigrants". You're still actually NOT native to the country you live in. No one is.

So if you want to say the "Native Americans", who were here before the Europeans, have no business saying that YOU (Europeans) are the encroacher's, then you must rightfully give up your complaint that the mexicans, muslims, and any others coming here attempting to take over the country must stop and "go back to where they came from".

Now, before this starts some stupid flame war for people taking all this out of context, I am NOT saying that we should allow the mexicans and muslims to continue on like they are.

Times have changed from what they were when this country was first (or second, or third as the case may be) settled. Today we DO have land "ownership". Man's Governments have made that a reality. Today, American's have LEGAL claim on this country. But do not "abandon" history. How did Americans obtain that "ownership". They did not ALWAYS exist here. They came here from another country, and there WERE people here already when the Europeans showed up.

How THOSE people came by the land is not our concern. Whether they migrated here, and found the land empty so they set up shop, or perhaps they found a people already living here and conquered them, it does not matter. Whether they were the FIRST or the FOURTEENTH "tenant" in this country, they WERE here before the Europeans. So depending on their order of arrival, they may not have the right to "CLAIM" this land, but they DO have more of a "right" to do so than we have. At least in a "spiritual" sense. But as I said, the Laws of the "white man" have been established here, making the "European settlers" legally right.But if a Native American is telling you to "go back to where you came from", keep in mind, you might have also muttered that same thing to a mexican, or a muslim, or any other "foreign immigrant" whether they were here legally or illegally. And if you believe the Native American has no right, or no business saying that, then you too have LESS of a right to do so.

[DesertFox]

How did Americans obtain that "ownership".By right of conquest.

[Gonzo67]

Quote:
How did Americans obtain that "ownership".

By right of conquest.


Exactly. We "took" it. Which is exactly what the mexicans and muslims are both trying to do now.

You, as I, believe the mexicans and muslims are "wrong" in doing so. You and I call them "invaders". And rightly so.

But what do you consider the European Settlers to be? By the very definitions we use against the muslims and mexicans today, doesn't that make the European Settlers just as much the "invaders" back then that the muzzie and mex's are today?

So where were the "American Indians" being "wrong" when they considered the "White Man" as such? (Not saying that YOU personally say they were wrong).

Some of the posters in this thread seem to think the American Indian was "wrong" or "has no claim" on this land. When in fact, they have MORE of a claim than any of us. Granted, OUR claim is supported by law, theirs is not. OUR claim is based on laws written by an immigrant government never the less.

I'm simply saying it's hypocritical to down grade and berate the American Indians for doing, back then, exactly what WE are doing now. We took this country by force. The Natives that were here before us are a dwindling race. I think it would be prudent to examine the history of OUR people AND theirs, and LEARN from that history. If we don't, it's possible that we could be REPEATING that history in the not so distant future.

The Natives were not "wrong". They were CONQUERED. As we are in danger of being if our government, democrats, liberals, and activist assholes have their way. We need to fight, and oppose the "invaders", JUST LIKE the American Indians did. Only we need to do a better job of it.

[BuckeyeMike]

Exactly. We "took" it. Which is exactly what the mexicans and muslims are both trying to do now.

You, as I, believe the mexicans and muslims are "wrong" in doing so. You and I call them "invaders". And rightly so.

But what do you consider the European Settlers to be?

Conquers! Winners!...It's a simple thing really.....WE WON, THEY LOST!

By the very definitions we use against the muslims and mexicans today, doesn't that make the European Settlers just as much the "invaders" back then that the muzzie and mex's are today?

So where were the "American Indians" being "wrong" when they considered the "White Man" as such? (Not saying that YOU personally say they were wrong).

Some of the posters in this thread seem to think the American Indian was "wrong" or "has no claim" on this land. When in fact, they have MORE of a claim than any of us. Granted, OUR claim is supported by law, theirs is not. OUR claim is based on laws written by an immigrant government never the less.

I'm simply saying it's hypocritical to down grade and berate the American Indians for doing, back then, exactly what WE are doing now. We took this country by force. The Natives that were here before us are a dwindling race. I think it would be prudent to examine the history of OUR people AND theirs, and LEARN from that history. If we don't, it's possible that we could be REPEATING that history in the not so distant future.

The Natives were not "wrong". They were CONQUERED. As we are in danger of being if our government, democrats, liberals, and activist assholes have their way. We need to fight, and oppose the "invaders", JUST LIKE the American Indians did. Only we need to do a better job of it..

[Gonzo67]

But what do you consider the European Settlers to be?

Conquers! Winners!...It's a simple thing really.....WE WON, THEY LOST!


I agree, and I've never disputed that. :)

What I disagree with is that saying the "Native American" have no claim, or LESS of a "claim" on these lands than we do, when the "we were here first" argument is used.

We're using that argument, or variations of it, on the mexicans and muslims.

"Go back to mexico you friggin spic, get out of OUR country." "This ain't mecca you camel raping muzzi fuk, go back to the desert abdul!"

This is the base argument people in these very forums use every day. And I agree with them 100%. But then those same people turn around and the "American Indians" are wrong, they "don't know what they're talking about". They use the argument "They are not indigenous to this land", ignoring the fact that neither are we, and THEY were here before us. It's blatantly hypocritical, and it's flat out wrong, I'm sorry.

It would be like you, leaving Montana on vacation. You drive down here to visit us in South Carolina. You pull into a grocery store and park in a parking space, but some South Carolina asshole expects you to move your car so HE can park there. After all, this is HIS state. He lives here, you are the "visitor".

That is how the American Indians viewed the White Man, that is how WE view the mexicans and muslims. If we're going to say the American Indians are assholes for seeing it that way, I guess we need to be wearing that "asshole" label as well.

The difference is, I don't believe we earned that Asshole Label, and I sure as hell do not believe the American indians (back then) earned it then either. Whether they are "right or wrong" now, I don't know, and don't care. But back then, they were not wrong.

[Gonzo67]

Like it or not boys and girls, we are the new "home team". We are the new "indigenous people". We are the ones who have to fight off the encroaching offense in an attempt to hold on to our way of life, our very lives in general.

Like it or not boys and girls, we ARE the new "American Indians". To hate what they once were means to hate what WE have become.

[CONSERVATIVE HERO]

Exactly. We "took" it. Which is exactly what the mexicans and muslims are both trying to do now.
Speak for yourself. "We" didn't take anything. Perhaps you did but I sure as hell did not. So please refrain from attempting to pull down me and others with you as you sink into the pool of caucasian-guilt.

Besides, technically, The United States didn't take anything from the Indians. The land comprising the present day United states was annexed by England, France, and Spain. The USA obtained it from these countries quite legally.

As for the Indians, I'm unsympathetic to both their culture and their plight, as my people were killed, enslaved, and had their land stolen as well. We arrived in America because we were forcibly exiled from our lands. As far as I'm concerned, our right to survive, trumps their bullsh*t ignorance of the existence of "property" ownership. If they didn't believe in land ownership, then they really have no grievance, as we could not "take" from them what they themselves admit they did not own.

Their little violin is just one in an immense orchestra of the victims of oppression. I've quite had my fill of their attempting to play theirs so loud it drowns out the rest. I'm pulling the plug on their never-ending solo. Had the Indians been clever enough to adapt, they might see themselves looking down at history from atop mountains of wealth, having been the most prosperous real estate agents in history.

[Rhino]

Where did Gonzo mention guilt? All he's saying is that they were invaded, just as we are being 'invaded' by illegal immigrants now. He's correct, though the comparison with the Mexicans is somewhat rough. He didn't say the Indians of old had an ownership claim. He said their claim would have been more valid than that of the Mexicans today. In that he is also correct. The only point he is making is the dichotomy of references people use.

And the indians couldn't have made a profit by adapting. In most cases, they were not legally allowed to own land, much less sell it. But they never felt they owned the land anyway. That's a concept of modern indians who are not really in lockstep with the beliefs of their ancestors. However, in embracing the concept of ownership, one could say they are 'adapted'. In any case, Gonzo wasn't really talking about modern indians, or modern ownership claims.

[Gonzo67]

Speak for yourself. "We" didn't take anything. Perhaps you did but I sure as hell did not. So please refrain from attempting to pull down me and others with you as you sink into the pool of caucasian-guilt.


You are so full of shit your breath stinks. I knew, even as I posted NOT to take it the wrong way, that some deluded asshole will come in and take everything out of context and accuse me of saying shit I DID NOT SAY!

Take your ass back and quote where I advocate "white guilt" asshole.

I did not say SHIT about white guilt. I did not says SHIT about us "not owning this land". I was speaking about people downgrading one culture for doing EXACTLY as we are doing now. I did not say WE were wrong. I said that THEY were NOT wrong, because they did what WE are doing now.

And if you'd pull your head out of your ass a READ a post before you try slamming someone for what you THINK they said (because you've proved here that THINKING is NOT your strong suit), then MAYBE you're post would have a little more credibility!


In any case, Gonzo wasn't really talking about modern indians, or modern ownership claims.


Thanks Rhino. But he knows damn well what I said. He's just decided to jump on the band wagon. He has no one to attack, so he'll twist shit so he can strut around like he KNOWS shit, like a few others in these forums. But I'm done explaining myself to little assholes like this.

Tell ya what CH, you don't like what I have to say, then feel free to use that fuking ignore feature you ignorant twit. You and the rest like you, they KNOW who they are, are BENEATH me. You want to quote shit out of context and argue against points You CLAIM I'm making, but you clowns never have the balls or the intelligence to argue with what is actually there. So screw you, and the few assholes here like you.

Maybe if you were able to read and COMPREHEND what is being said, we wouldn't have had to keep you and "your people" enslaved and off your lands for so long. Ya think, oh ignorant one?

[CzechPrince]

Surprise, surprise, the Native's turn out not to know what they're talking about.


....................

It's been a historical fact for....shall we say, many years that the Native Americans originally came over from Asia via the Bearing Straight as a land bridge. Saying it's not right to call them Native because they came from another place at least 12,000 (maybe even longer) years ago is absurd. They came here and diversified into dozens of different tribes and ethnic background.

And insulting a group of people by saying they don't know what they are talking about only shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to simple history.

I, like Gonzo, am the last person to admit white guilt. There is nothing to feel guilty about. None of us are responsible for what happneed. Our government treated the Native Americans like shit, and Andrew Jackson was a bastard and a half for what he did to the Cherokee. Again, we are not responsible, but there is nothign wrong with acknowledging wrong doings. But I give credit to Native Americans, very seldomly do they bitch about being oppressed. They're a strong people, and faced far worse discrimination in this country than anyone else has.

[Forget_the_Truth]

Speak for yourself. "We" didn't take anything. Perhaps you did but I sure as hell did not. So please refrain from attempting to pull down me and others with you as you sink into the pool of caucasian-guilt.

Besides, technically, The United States didn't take anything from the Indians. The land comprising the present day United states was annexed by England, France, and Spain. The USA obtained it from these countries quite legally.

As for the Indians, I'm unsympathetic to both their culture and their plight, as my people were killed, enslaved, and had their land stolen as well. We arrived in America because we were forcibly exiled from our lands. As far as I'm concerned, our right to survive, trumps their bullsh*t ignorance of the existence of "property" ownership. If they didn't believe in land ownership, then they really have no grievance, as we could not "take" from them what they themselves admit they did not own.

Their little violin is just one in an immense orchestra of the victims of oppression. I've quite had my fill of their attempting to play theirs so loud it drowns out the rest. I'm pulling the plug on their never-ending solo. Had the Indians been clever enough to adapt, they might see themselves looking down at history from atop mountains of wealth, having been the most prosperous real estate agents in history.

theres nothing wrong with what he is saying

and the highlighted part; well nowadays you believe in not allowing illegal immigrants into the Nation and taking whats yours and your property and nation.

you can say they didnt have "property" of land in their society, but their teachings taught them to love the very land and soil of the same ground we call the USA, also, our nation now is called the land of the free, so property rights on that level could be subjective.
the no sympathy remark is rather cold, i dont see the harm in admitting where our nation has done wrong

also it makes any complaining about any non-American coming to America, other nations taking job loads to other lands or any non-American people trying to get you out of their way for thier own goals frankly void and hypocritical

[Sarah]

So if these NATIVES were from Siberia and not the Americas originally, than why the hell do they think they own this land?

Stop telling US to go back to where we belong when YOU can just hop right on back to Siberia! Let's buy them land in Siberia for the illegals to have for themselves to keep them happy!
Because there were about 500 different nations in existence in N. America when the Europeans showed up.

[Forget_the_Truth]

Because there were about 500 different nations in existence in N. America when the Europeans showed up.

well , its going to go from "Native Americans" to European settlers that happened in history to Asian domination in the future! :biggrin:

All hail the Asian Führer! (which is me!)

[Sarah]

well , its going to go from "Native Americans" to European settlers that happened in history to Asian domination in the future! :biggrin:

All hail the Asian Führer! (which is me!)
It will also be Asians that invent warp drive and dominate the galaxy. muhahaha

[Gonzo67]

It will also be Asians that invent warp drive and dominate the galaxy. muhahaha


Sorry, Hikaru Sulu hasn't been born yet. And besides, you're wrong. That honor goes to Zephram Cochran, as soon as he is born anyway. And he wasn't/isn't/wont be Asian.

[Sarah]

Sorry, Hikaru Sulu hasn't been born yet. And besides, you're wrong. That honor goes to Zephram Cochran, as soon as he is born anyway. And he wasn't/isn't/wont be Asian.
Cochran stole the idea from a Chinese woman.

[Wolfcounsel]

"well , its going to go from "Native Americans" to European settlers that happened in history to Asian domination in the future! :biggrin:" --Forget_the_Truth

What do you mean in the future? Look at my backyard. It's already dominated by my dog's big Asians! I've got to get busy picking them up.:evilgrin:

[Forget_the_Truth]

"well , its going to go from "Native Americans" to European settlers that happened in history to Asian domination in the future! :biggrin:" --Forget_the_Truth

What do you mean in the future? Look at my backyard. It's already dominated by my dog's big Asians! I've got to get busy picking them up.:evilgrin:


huh, are you implying Asians are excrement?

[Gonzo67]

Cochran stole the idea from a Chinese woman.


Not even Star Trek was THAT progressive.

:evilgrin:

[Sarah]

Not even Star Trek was THAT progressive.

:evilgrin:
Progressive smessgive.

[Beowulf]

Besides, technically, The United States didn't take anything from the Indians. The land comprising the present day United states was annexed by England, France, and Spain. The USA obtained it from these countries quite legally.
Tell that to the many tribes who lived in the Oklahoma territory that were promised the land would not be taken by white man. When the white man lied and began the rush of the territory. http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/landrush.htm

Ever hear of the Trail of Tears where 4,000 Cherokee were forced out of their lands in Georgia? http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html

We arrived in America because we were forcibly exiled from our lands.
So this makes it right to do the same to the Indians?

Had the Indians been clever enough to adapt, they might see themselves looking down at history from atop mountains of wealth, having been the most prosperous real estate agents in history.
They have done so admireably. Casinos that they build on their land make billions and by all rights, the government can't touch the revenue. It's a small last laugh I think!

[Wolfcounsel]

"huh, are you implying Asians are excrement?" --Forget_the_Truth

Hey, easy. You do know that the Aztecs referred to gold as "excrement of the gods", eh?

[Sarah]

"huh, are you implying Asians are excrement?" --Forget_the_Truth

Hey, easy. You do know that the Aztecs referred to gold as "excrement of the gods", eh?
May Montezuma's revenge visit you next time you eat at taco bell. :biggrin:

I'm kidding

[Wolfcounsel]

"May Montezuma's revenge visit you next time you eat at taco bell. :biggrin:" --Sarah

I wish! I'm so constipated right now, I'd gladly trade my beer now for a glass of prune juice.:evilgrin:

Incidentally, I also heard that Moctezuma's revenge was actually syphilis! I thought the Europeans brought that in from over there.:ooo:



I'm only kidding about the Asians, people. We all poke fun at each other's ethnicity here.

[Sarah]

Ok I'll ask Forget the Truth if I can put you back on the protective scrolls for when the we invade...

[Elgalad]

It will also be Asians that invent warp drive and dominate the galaxy. muhahaha

Actually, it was a Mexican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Alcubierre) that invented the warp drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive).



-Elgalad

[Sarah]

Actually, it was a Mexican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Alcubierre) that invented the warp drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive).



-Elgalad
Well then what are we waiting for?

[Gonzo67]

Actually, it was a Mexican that invented the warp drive.


Until he mounts it on a ship and brings us back a pointy eared Vulcan, he doesn't get credit.

And if you want to get too "technical":


Alcubierre is best known for his May 1994 paper "The Warp Drive: Hyper-fast travel within general relativity" (which appeared in the science journal Classical and Quantum Gravity), in which he describes the Alcubierre drive, a theoretical means of traveling faster than light that does not violate the physical principle that nothing can locally travel faster than light.


I'm just "estimating" here, but I think Star Trek came out at least a couple years before this guy wrote his paper.

The credit would go to Gene Roddenberry, after all, he gave us our FIRST "Warp Drive" on board the USS Enterprise. All this guy did was create a theory to explain how one would POSSIBLY work. All he "invented" was an unproven theory about some one else's creation.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Ok I'll ask Forget the Truth if I can put you back on the protective scrolls for when the we invade..." --Sarah

I am on protective scrolls already. They are 12 Gauge slugs and number 4 buckshot, 7.62 mm full metal jacket, .45 caliber hollow point, and my favorite of my various silent scrolls, the 30 inch sundang.:devil:
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[Rhino]

Sounds like my place, cept fer the sundang. And I use #2 buckshot. I could also add in the 30-30 and the 357s.

[Forget_the_Truth]

"Ok I'll ask Forget the Truth if I can put you back on the protective scrolls for when the we invade..." --Sarah

I am on protective scrolls already. They are 12 Gauge slugs and number 4 buckshot, 7.62 mm full metal jacket, .45 caliber hollow point, and my favorite of my various silent scrolls, the 30 inch sundang.:devil:
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well useless if somebody stakes you out with a high powered, scoped rifle

dead before you realise they are there!

[aaron11]

well useless if somebody stakes you out with a high powered, scoped rifle

dead before you realise they are there!

What do you think the 7.62mm that was listed in his scrolls is used for?

:smirky:

[Wolfcounsel]

"well useless if somebody stakes you out with a high powered, scoped rifle

dead before you realise they are there!" --Forget_the_Truth



Like aaron11 said, FtT. Heck, a kid throwing rocks in the wrong direction could kill me also! So, you're absolutely right. I'm going to get rid of all my defenses because I could get killed anyway. I'll even put up a sign telling people that my home is weapons-safe all the time, so please be nice.:punish:<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->