Ron Paul Breaks $10 million...

[THEBIRD]

Ron Paul just broke through the $10 million dollar ceiling on his website.:claps:

This combined with the fact that he is winning most online polls around the web, the media is starting to realize he can't be ignored anymore.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

The Dec. 16th Tea Party day will be attempting to be raising $10 million dollars in a single day. The site already boast tens of thousands of pledges already for this date.

I think if I remember right the big Fredsgiving day donation drive turned out 88 pledges.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Yeah! MoveOn.org, DailyKos, Code Pink, George Soros, and other hate-America leftists came through big time to prop up his candidacy.

[garlicguy]

Yeah! MoveOn.org, DailyKos, Code Pink, George Soros, and other hate-America leftists came through big time to prop up his candidacy.

Really now, Tex. Since there is absolutely no basis in fact for the above accusations that you have repeatedly made, you undermine Party unity and your own credibility by such emotionally inspired speculations. You are single-handedly beginning to make 'Truthers' appear more and more reasonable all the time.

Let it go, dude. Let it go... :biggrin:

[Jack_Savage]

If Ron Paul is winning online polls, its because the Soros machine Moveon.org has orders to their militant-left machine to vote for him. He is thier favorate.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Really now, Tex. Since there is absolutely no basis in fact for the above accusations that you have repeatedly made, you undermine Party unity and your own credibility by such emotionally inspired speculations. You are single-handedly beginning to make 'Truthers' appear more and more reasonable all the time.
You've got to realize that no patriotic American could possibly support a hate-America traitor like Ron Paul. Consequently, his support has to come from his fellow traitors like MoveOn.org, DailyKos, Code Pink, George Soros, and other hate-America leftists.

EDIT: Hate-America leftists want Ron Paul to be the Republican nominee for 2 reasons:
1) Ron Paul agrees with the hate-America leftists who are working to secure America's defeat in World War IV - the War on Terror;
2) Hate-America leftists know that if Ron Paul is the Republican nominee, the Democrats will sweep all 50 states and the District of Columbia and will have overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress.

[jayson]

So today, Ron has raised more money in 2 months than Fred, Romney, and Giuliani did in the whole third quarter.

December 16th is going to be huge. Ron is really gaining traction. Our Meetup group really has received some amazing response from folks about Ron. Things are looking great and morale is soaring!

I get giddy thinking we still have a whole month to work our magic. We even managed to purchase a BLIMP, that will have Ron's message on it, to fly around the North East for an entire month... all from this amazing grassroots effort that has popped up. :D

[jayson]

2) Hate-America leftists know that if Ron Paul is the Republican nominee, the Democrats will sweep all 50 states and the District of Columbia and will have overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress.

The way I see it, Tex, is that Ron is the only man who could beat Hillary. Why? Because he promotes a message of honesty and integrity. As he said himself, he has his shortcomings, but the message does not... because the message is one of freedom and prosperity. A plan to bring this country back to our roots and put America first.

[Naturalized-Texan]

The way I see it, Tex, is that Ron is the only man who could beat Hillary. Why? Because he promotes a message of honesty and integrity. As he said himself, he has his shortcomings, but the message does not... because the message is one of freedom and prosperity. A plan to bring this country back to our roots and put America first.
You are delusional.

Ron Paul is a liar AND a traitor. I have pointed out his lies several times here and you know as well as I do that he is working to secure America's defeat.

Fortunately for America, Ron Paul has NO chance of getting the Republican nomination, he has stated that he will not run as a 3rd party candidate, and he is in trouble in his own congressional district. By this time next year he will be completely retired from public life.

Fortunately for him, the financial support he has received from the hate-America left will provide him with sufficient funds to live on in retirement.

[Lubbock]

Are these Ron Paul Loons really so far gone as to believe that Paul will be the Republican nominee?

Really?

Uh, oh!!!

Brace yourself, America!

When this thing ends with a Howard Dean Scream, it's going to get ugly.

Veeeeery ugly.

We haven't seen a Mass Suicide of this magnitude since Jonestown.

Come to think of it, we haven't seen Kool Aid Consumption of this magnitude since Jonestown.

And NT, you are exactly right as to Paul's intentions for the MONEY --he's featherbedding his retirement.

That's the exact report I read a week or so ago regarding the amount of money Paul IS NOT spending, and what he's NOT SPENDING it on --television, newspaper and radio advertizing.

[jayson]

That's the exact report I read a week or so ago regarding the amount of money Paul IS NOT spending, and what he's NOT SPENDING it on --television, newspaper and radio advertizing.

And you are complaining? That's fiscal responsibility in action.

[jayson]

You are delusional.

John Kerry had 6% in straw polls across the nation in December 2003. Ron currently has anywhere from 6-16%.

I'm more confident everyday that a Ron Paul nomination will occur.

[Naturalized-Texan]

John Kerry had 6% in straw polls across the nation in December 2003. Ron currently has anywhere from 6-16%.
Unfortunately for you, very little of his support is coming from registered Republicans who will be voting in the Republican primaries. Ron Paul's support is coming almost exclusively from Libertarians and from far-left, hate-America appeasers who won't be voting in the Republican primaries.

The difference is that Kerry's support came from registered Democrats.

[Seabee]

To all the Paul supporters getting jazzed up about his very impressive earnings is one thing, but you better keep thngs in perspective. Good points are that he has a very good and organized voting base that is willing to donate. He is getting his meassage out in an agressive manner, to his base and a little beyond. But this is not idicative of victory in primaries. Howard Dean raised, I think it was, 24 million in 04', he set major records for the Democrats and his campaign style reminds me alot of Paul. He did not win though. The Republican political war machine will not allow Paul to infiltrate their leadership becasue of his isolationist policies and the types of people who are a major part of his base support (I.E. Conspiracy nuts, twoothers, Neo Nazis, etc.). With his policies on deregulation he is a capitalist's wet dream. But as I said they will not allow him to continue, he will not survive the primaries and something major will happen to "de-rail" his campaign. I am sorry but you are doomed, it is not a matter of "if" it is a matter of "when."

[jayson]

If the people want it bad enough, it will happen, and it IS happening. The GOP cannot throw Ron out of its ranks if he manages to get the people's support.

[altekruge]

Much will depend on the Supreme Court ruling on the individual's right to keep and bear arms. If the court says it is an individual right Dr. Paul's numbers will drop. If it is ruled that it is not an individual right a great many gun owners who don't currently support him, will.

[Naturalized-Texan]

If the people want it bad enough, it will happen, and it IS happening. The GOP cannot throw Ron out of its ranks if he manages to get the people's support.
But he'll never get more than 3 or 4 percent in the Republican primaries because his support comes almost exclusively from Libertarians and left-wing, hate-America appeasers who don't vote in the Republican primaries. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Republican nomination. Moreover, he has promised not to run as a 3rd party candidate, so he can't possibly be on the presidential ballot in the general election (unless he breaks his promise).

In addition, polls show that he is in trouble for reelection to Congress.

[Seabee]

If the people want it bad enough, it will happen, and it IS happening. The GOP cannot throw Ron out of its ranks if he manages to get the people's support.

Lol, how naive, cute, and idealisitic. Dude, the Republicans can do whatever they want. This is the semi-capitalist stronghold you are talking about. If they think Paul is bad, they will make him disappear from the political landscape all together. Look what they did to Perot, a billionaire. You think Paul can stand up to that?

[Seabee]

Much will depend on the Supreme Court ruling on the individual's right to keep and bear arms. If the court says it is an individual right Dr. Paul's numbers will drop. If it is ruled that it is not an individual right a great many gun owners who don't currently support him, will.

Viable possibility, or the votes will go to a candidate who will protect 2nd amendment rights and has a shot at the White House. In my humble opinion, :fred: :thumb:. But this is not his forum, it belongs to http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:32ySes-ep1Ak2M:http://www.ronpaul2008.com/uploads/image/48.jpg (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/uploads/image/48.jpg). So for the sake of polite discourse, I will not highjack.

[EveningStar]

Ron Paul just broke through the $10 million dollar ceiling on his website.:claps:

And he's still not going to win jack shit.

[UnkHiram]

I get so sick of listening to this Ron Paul Crap. Dont tell me that Ron Paul is a man of Honesty and Integrity. In His own words "He is a life long libertarian" yet he is running as a Republican. That makes him either a liar now or a liar then. Either way he is a liar.

[Elgalad]

If the people want it bad enough, it will happen, and it IS happening. The GOP cannot throw Ron out of its ranks if he manages to get the people's support.

Neither you, nor any of the rest of the Paul apologists on this forum have yet to demonstrate even a shred of evidence that your "the people" represent anything other than a very tiny minority of American voters.

A vocal one perhaps. I will grant you that.

And it may even be true that some critters' words and appearance easily impress the gullible.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3513/tacobellchihuahua186872ga1.jpg
"¡Yo quiero Ron Paul!"

But I've got some bad news for you Paulheads..

When it comes to the likelihood of Ron Paul ever obtaining the Republican nomination for President of the United States.


This dog just won't hunt. :smirky:




-Elgalad

[THEBIRD]

This is just so funny. I love it when Tex calls me an unpatriotic american hating leftist. LOL. SO FUNNY!

I'm an infantry veteran. A life member of the NRA, my son was signed up at 3 months old. I hate the UN and want it kicked out of this country.

But somehow, because I support a man who is also pro 2nd Amendment, a veteran and who hates and wants the UN to leave this country.....I'm an American hating leftist.


BWA HAHA HAHAH AHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!


Tex you are a flippin moron. UNDERSTAND THIS ONE THING!!!

Fred is not going to get the nom either.

You're going to be faced with voting for a communist liberal or a globalist liberal.

The folks I'm seeing AND MEETING that support Ron Paul are the ones who are pissed at this government overspending and who will no longer support the GOP run by a liberal like Martinez.

There is ZERO difference between these parties anymore. Ron Paul is clearly standing out from them. Keep thinking that its George Soros who is propping up Paul. You're already living in a dream world...why let your imagination stop there?

[THEBIRD]

double post

[Naturalized-Texan]

This is just so funny. I love it when Tex calls me an unpatriotic american hating leftist. LOL. SO FUNNY!
What makes you think that I was referring to you? If you had any reading comprehension at all, you would know that when I refer to left-wing, hate-America appeasers, I am referring to MoveOn.org, DailyKos, Code Pink, George Soros, and other far-leftists and left-wing organizations that are cranking tons of money into Ron Paul's campaign because he, like them, are actively campaigning to secure America's defeat in World War IV - the War on Terror.

I'm an infantry veteran. A life member of the NRA, my son was signed up at 3 months old. I hate the UN and want it kicked out of this country.
Thanks for your service.

But somehow, because I support a man who is also pro 2nd Amendment, a veteran and who hates and wants the UN to leave this country.....I'm an American hating leftist.
Then why are you supporting a traitor like Ron Paul who is actively working to secure America's defeat? Because of your service to the country, you should be opposing Ron Paul with every bone in your body. It just doesn't make any sense that you are supporting a candidate who is diametrically opposed to everything your military service stood for: America's national security and defending the American people from attack.

UNDERSTAND THIS ONE THING!!!

Fred is not going to get the nom either.
I think that he will get the nomination because he is by far the closest to standing for what made Reagan so great.

BTW, thanks for admitting that you know that Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination.

You're going to be faced with voting for a communist liberal or a globalist liberal.

The folks I'm seeing AND MEETING that support Ron Paul are the ones who are pissed at this government overspending and who will no longer support the GOP run by a liberal like Martinez.

There is ZERO difference between these parties anymore. Ron Paul is clearly standing out from them. Keep thinking that its George Soros who is propping up Paul. You're already living in a dream world...why let your imagination stop there?
BWA HAHA HAHAH AHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAHA!!!!!!! You're joking of course. :hahaha::hahaha::rotflmbo::rotflmbo::rotflmbo:

If you were really serious about what you posted above, you'd back the only REAL conservative who is running for the Republican nomination: Fred Thompson.

[jayson]

I get so sick of listening to this Ron Paul Crap. Dont tell me that Ron Paul is a man of Honesty and Integrity. In His own words "He is a life long libertarian" yet he is running as a Republican. That makes him either a liar now or a liar then. Either way he is a liar.

Libertarianism isn't all that far in ideology from traditional conservatism.

[jayson]

Because of your service to the country, you should be opposing Ron Paul with every bone in your body. It just doesn't make any sense that you are supporting a candidate who is diametrically opposed to everything your military service stood for: America's national security and defending the American people from attack.

Then why, Tex, is Ron receiving the most donations from active military members than any other candidate, Democrat OR Republican?

There is a huge difference between a strong defense (something Ron is adamantly in favor of) and strong offense. I will be honest, there are times when war is needed. I'm not some batty leftist who thinks that love triumphs every day. But I also don't think that war is always the answer.

Hitler was a problem and he needed to be taken out. We did it. We declared war and brought the wrath of God down on him, and we won. But Hitler had the ways and means to destroy us. He had a large and well equipped army, a formidable Luftwaffe, and the industrial and technological means to further his agenda.

Saddam was not a new Hitler. Ahmadnejad is not a new Hitler. He may be full of rhetoric but Iran has no navy, army or air force we couldn't disable in a few hours, obliterate in a few days. Ayatollah Khamenei wouldn't be so stupid as to supply terrorists with nuclear materials, because they just have to look to what happened to their western neighbor... who didn't even attack us!

We need to stop being the policemen of the world and we need to stop spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives doing so. It's the Constitutional way, it's the morally correct way, and it's the Christian way.

[THEBIRD]

Then why, Tex, is Ron receiving the most donations from active military members than any other candidate, Democrat OR Republican?




No kidding, a recent straw poll (two weeks ago) taken in Korea from service members and their families had Ron Paul at number 1.

I was excited about Fred too but after a number of stupid remarks and "I forgets" he is a non-starter in my book and his lousy poll numbers reflect this.

Yes Paul is not going to get the nomination....he is not planning to. Despite what he may say now in the camera, he is planning on running independent and groups like the Libertarians and Constitution parties are set to combine for an endorsement.

I won't vote for Rudy. Ron Paul is my only choice. I'll write him in if I have to.

[Madbomber]

No kidding, a recent straw poll (two weeks ago) taken in Korea from service members and their families had Ron Paul at number 1.

I was excited about Fred too but after a number of stupid remarks and "I forgets" he is a non-starter in my book and his lousy poll numbers reflect this.

Yes Paul is not going to get the nomination....he is not planning to. Despite what he may say now in the camera, he is planning on running independent and groups like the Libertarians and Constitution parties are set to combine for an endorsement.

I won't vote for Rudy. Ron Paul is my only choice. I'll write him in if I have to.


I beg to differ. There is a very good chance Ron Paul can win the primaries. Consider this: The current polling methods for the MSM refer to polling "Likely voters." Now if you look up what a likely voter is you will find out that it is a person that voted in the last election cycle as a Republican. An election cycle where 10-20% of disaffected Republican voters stayed home due to the disgust they had toward what the party had done in the previous 6 years. Ron Paul is speaking directly at those disaffected voters. Not only that but he is pulling in more people into the republican side to vote for him (Indies and Dems). Also consider that his people are HIGHLY motivated and it is easy to see that he could be pulling 20-25% numbers right now even though the current MSM polls do not reflect that. Also take into consideration that straw poles almost always have him coming out on top... sometimes by huge numbers.

Ron Paul has a very real chance at winning this thing.

MB

[Naturalized-Texan]

Then why, Tex, is Ron receiving the most donations from active military members than any other candidate, Democrat OR Republican?
Prove it!

There is a huge difference between a strong defense (something Ron is adamantly in favor of) and strong offense. I will be honest, there are times when war is needed. I'm not some batty leftist who thinks that love triumphs every day. But I also don't think that war is always the answer.

Hitler was a problem and he needed to be taken out. We did it. We declared war and brought the wrath of God down on him, and we won. But Hitler had the ways and means to destroy us. He had a large and well equipped army, a formidable Luftwaffe, and the industrial and technological means to further his agenda.

Saddam was not a new Hitler. Ahmadnejad is not a new Hitler. He may be full of rhetoric but Iran has no navy, army or air force we couldn't disable in a few hours, obliterate in a few days. Ayatollah Khamenei wouldn't be so stupid as to supply terrorists with nuclear materials, because they just have to look to what happened to their western neighbor... who didn't even attack us!
Thanks for proving your abominable ignorance of the threat to America's very existence posed by world-wide IslamoFascist terrorism.

We need to stop being the policemen of the world and we need to stop spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives doing so. It's the Constitutional way, it's the morally correct way, and it's the Christian way.
Thanks again for proving your abominable ignorance of the threat to America's very existence posed by world-wide IslamoFascist terrorism.

So you're saying that you view the Constitution as a suicide pact.

And you're also saying that surrendering to the terrorist and giving free rein to Islamofascist terrorists to slaughter tens of millions of innocent American men, women, and children is the Christian way.

You sure have a warped view of Christianity.

[UnkHiram]

Libertarianism isn't all that far in ideology from traditional conservatism.

Tradional Conservatim does not support Gay Marriage (Liberarian Platform does), Drug Legalization (Libertarian Platform does), Voting to defund our troops while they are being shot at (Ron Paul did). Comparing Libertariansim to Conservatism is like comparing Oranges and Aardvarks.

You want to vote for Ron Paul, be my guest, You want to support Libertarism be my guest. However, dont pretend that they have anything to do with the Conservative movement or the Republican Party because they DONT!

On a related note: I seriously doubt Ron Paul is getting more active duty donations than any other candidate. I seriouly doubt Ron Paul is getting more active duty donations than Hillary Clinton. And we all know how popular the Clintons are with the military. I am ex Air Force, and I was offended by Ron Paul Stabbing the troops in the back, I kinda bet they were too. So if you want to stick to this claim ---- Provide some proof.

[d'urville]

Tradional Conservatim does not support Gay Marriage (Liberarian Platform does), Drug Legalization (Libertarian Platform does), Voting to defund our troops while they are being shot at (Ron Paul did). Comparing Libertariansim to Conservatism is like comparing Oranges and Aardvarks.

Yes, the Libertarian Party was founded in 1970s, and I'm sure you can figure out why that's so.



On a related note: I seriously doubt Ron Paul is getting more active duty donations than any other candidate. I seriouly doubt Ron Paul is getting more active duty donations than Hillary Clinton. And we all know how popular the Clintons are with the military. I am ex Air Force, and I was offended by Ron Paul Stabbing the troops in the back, I kinda bet they were too. So if you want to stick to this claim ---- Provide some proof.

They're all on ignore for me, but they'll just give you that report written by this guy:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22William+Marina+%22

when you ask any of them for proof.

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/sector.asp?id=N00005906&cycle=2008

(sigh)

His negatives are the mid-to-high 50s and climbling in Iowa and NH among GOP voters.

[Naturalized-Texan]

On a related note: I seriously doubt Ron Paul is getting more active duty donations than any other candidate. I seriouly doubt Ron Paul is getting more active duty donations than Hillary Clinton. And we all know how popular the Clintons are with the military. I am ex Air Force, and I was offended by Ron Paul Stabbing the troops in the back, I kinda bet they were too. So if you want to stick to this claim ---- Provide some proof.
Those who claim that "active duty" military are donating to Ron Paul's candidacy are lying because it is illegal for active duty military to donate to political campaigns.

[TeenageRepublican]

In comparison to what. More military people than skin-heads? More military people than KKK super-freaks? More military,( Al-Quida military)? More military people than who, you, the guy in the red shirt? C'mon, only military people who are afraid of defending America, which are such a tiny few, like the guy Patton had to bitch slap during WW2, thats who Ron Paul attracts and the ones who want to be asked, and have a hunger to tell, everyone about their sexual prefrences. That military?
:yeahthat:

P.S. D4R, get your old avatar where the lovely conservatives are toasting us. You'll get a lot of people to pay more attention to your posts. (Like the Pauliens.)
:eyemouth:

[Naturalized-Texan]

Unk: It's waaaaayyyyy beyond my ability to comprehend why the Paul-heads, who claim to be conservatives, are supporting a traitor for president. If I were them, I certainly wouldn't admit it. I'm happy to be supporting the ONLY real conservative in the race: Fred Thompson.

[garlicguy]

Unk: It's waaaaayyyyy beyond my ability to comprehend why the Paul-heads, who claim to be conservatives, are supporting a traitor for president. If I were them, I certainly wouldn't admit it. I'm happy to be supporting the ONLY real conservative in the race: Fred Thompson.

Now look what you've done, Tex. Opened another can of worms.

Ron Paul supporters are not backing a traitor. That you define him as such does not make it so, it merely adds to your incredibly ignorant speculations against sincere main.

Then you show your true colors by encouraging deceit by omission, which all of your Communist pals in elected office taught you.

Once again, merely because you and Rush declare FDT as the only real conservative does not make it so, it merely reflects your opinion.

Fred Thompson might make a suitable Republican nominee, but he needs to decide what his real positions are, admit to past mistakes, changes in belief and practices, and then get busy. REAL SOON.

As he's said (FDT), he'll campaign as he sees fit, which is certainly his perogative. But then reality sets in and the present circumstance is that
this parade is about to pass the man right by and he doesn't appear to have borrowed a wagon to build his float yet ...

[UnkHiram]

But then reality sets in

I am sorry but a Ron Paul supporter talking about Reality strikes me as bizarre in the extreme.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Ron Paul supporters are not backing a traitor. That you define him as such does not make it so, it merely adds to your incredibly ignorant speculations against sincere main.
It's not my definition that makes Ron Paul a traitor. It's the Constitution's definition (Article III, Section 3) that makes him a traitor. FYI, here's the definition from the Constitution (note the highlighted phrase):

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

There is no doubt that Ron Paul has given and is still giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

[garlicguy]

It's not my definition that makes Ron Paul a traitor. It's the Constitution's definition (Article III, Section 3) that makes him a traitor. FYI, here's the definition from the Constitution (note the highlighted phrase):



There is no doubt that Ron Paul has given and is still giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

So what aid and comfort can you attribute to Ron Paul affording the enemy?
WMD's? Ammo? Guns? Food? Talk about your conspiracy theories!!

[Jack_Savage]

So what aid and comfort can you attribute to Ron Paul affording the enemy?
WMD's? Ammo? Guns? Food? That about your conspiracy theories!!

Obstructing the President. Calling for surrender in time of war. That is a dream candidate on Hezbollah's wish list. Don't play dumb.

[Naturalized-Texan]

So what aid and comfort can you attribute to Ron Paul affording the enemy?
WMD's? Ammo? Guns? Food? Talk about your conspiracy theories!!
By actively campaigning to surrender to the terrorists and working to secure America's defeat in the War on Terror - World War IV, Ron Paul and his leftist allies like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Teddy Kennedy, Cindy Sheehan, George Soros, Chuckie Schumer, Dennis Kucinich, John Edwards, et al., are encouraging the terrorists to step up their attacks and kill more and more of our troops. That is clearly giving aid and comfort to our enemies - treason, according to the Constitutional definition. Moreover, their treasonous activities have prolonged the war and caused the unneeded slaughter of thousands of America troops and tens of thousands of innocent Afghan and Iraqi civilians.

The best parallel to the treasonous activities of those listed above are the anti-American demonstrators like BJ Clinton and Hanoi John Kerry, who, during the Vietnam War, prolonged that war by about 5 years and caused the deaths of about 20,000 American troops. Those listed above are committing treason in this war just as BJ Clinton and Hanoi John Kerry did in that war.

[The_Elucidator]

So what aid and comfort can you attribute to Ron Paul affording the enemy?


By saying that this is an illegal war!!

[garlicguy]

It seems to me that the truth is an absolute defense, and as we've been told, shall set you free...

Goldwater was opposed to war, Nixon campaigned on bringing the troops home, Reagan is credited with ending the war, Bush campaigned on the plank that other nations should build and/or rebuild themselves.

When did this global empire-building thing become the sacred cow of Republicans calling themselves conservative? The media brainwashing appears to be complete.

[Jack_Savage]

It seems to me that the truth is an absolute defense, and as we've been told, shall set you free...



The truth, when believed is a lie.

(Werner Erhardt)

[Naturalized-Texan]

Goldwater was opposed to war
Nonsense. He firmly believed in fighting necessary wars and WINNING, not surrendering as your candidate wants.

Nixon campaigned on bringing the troops home
He campaigned on WINNING the war (not surrendering like your candidate wants), helping the South Vietnamese set up a stable democratic government, and then bringing our troops home. Sound familiar?

Reagan is credited with ending the war
He is credited with WINNING the Cold War - World War III - not surrendering as your candidate wants.

Bush campaigned on the plank that other nations should build and/or rebuild themselves.
When did he ever say that? Even so, it's clear that the 9/11 attacks rendered invalid any such statements, assuming that he made them. The Bush Doctrine is based on the historical FACT that democracies rarely, if ever, attack other democracies.

When did this global empire-building thing become the sacred cow of Republicans calling themselves conservative? The media brainwashing appears to be complete.
What empire building? There is no empire-building going on and you know it. All we are doing in World War IV - the War on Terror - is defending the American people against terrorist attacks.

The “Empire” Strikes Back (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODQyYzk0ZjBkYzk4ZTAzODZiZGNmNWMyZTdhMDU4MzU=)

The United States is getting tagged as an “empire” from all quarters. Indeed, it’s been a century since the notion of an American empire got such wide circulation, and back then Washington truly had designs on such expansion. (Google “Spanish-American War” if you’re interested.)

The empire charge has long been a staple of the political extremes. It’s even bubbled up in the presidential race. Lefty Rep. Dennis Kucinich insists that we must abandon “the ambitions of empire.” Hyper-libertarian Rep. Ron Paul says we could afford health care if we weren’t running a “world empire.”

.................

When they speak of the American empire, critics fall back on cartoonish notions, invoking Hollywoodized versions of ancient Rome or mothballed Marxist caricatures of the British Raj. But unlike the Romans, or even the British, our garrisons can be ejected without firing a shot. We left the Philippines when asked. We may split from South Korea in the next few years under similar circumstances. Poland wants our military bases; Germany is grumpy about losing them. When Turkey, a U.S. ally and member of NATO, refused to let us invade Iraq from its territory, the U.S. government said “fine.” We didn’t invade Iraq for oil (all we needed to do to buy it was lift the embargo), and we’ve made it clear that we’ll leave Iraq if the Iraqis ask. (Emphasis added)

[CzechPrince]

December 16th? That's my birthday. LOL

[jayson]

Nonsense. He firmly believed in fighting necessary wars and WINNING, not surrendering as your candidate wants.

I agree. We should only fight in absolutely necessary wars. Iraq was not necessary. And there were plenty of ways we could have ousted OBL and destroyed the Taliban, but instead we chose to invade Afghanistan and nation build.


He is credited with WINNING the Cold War - World War III - not surrendering as your candidate wants.

And he did it without firing a shot. Directly, at least. We did have our fingers in plenty of anti-Soviet pies. In some cases, this has come back to bite us in the ass.

[The_Elucidator]

I agree. We should only fight in absolutely necessary wars. Iraq was not necessary. And there were plenty of ways we could have ousted OBL and destroyed the Taliban, but instead we chose to invade Afghanistan and nation build.


Brilliant bumpkin! Nation building in Afghanistan? That's right, I forgot all about Dick Cheney and Halliburton running the government over there, those imperialistic swine... Do you know anything about Hamid Karzai and his roll in the Afghanistan government? I highly doubt it with those Code Pink talking points.

[Lubbock]

As much as I admire my Conservative Cohorts for standing tall in the face of this Paulbot infestation that seems to have taken over here and consumed the site, I am getting very weary of the back-and-forth yada yada.

It has become inane and serves no purpose that I can see.

We --WE --all of us --Paulbots included, know that Ron Paul will not be the Republican Nominee.

For all of the cheer leading idiocy posted here by the Paulbots, they know deep down in their hearts that Paul will not be the nominee, and I can only conclude that their presence here is for no other purpose than to disrupt. A couple of them may be very lonely individuals, seeking attention in the only way they know how. For the most part, they are here to disrupt.

Personally, I do not believe for one minute that any of these Paulbots think for an instant that Paul wil be the nominee. Not for one minute do they belive it.

For all we know, any one of them --or all of them, have cut themselves in for a slice of the Ron Paul Retirement Fund. Maybe they're getting paid by the post for the number of posts they can elicit from those of us who answer their idiocy. Maybe someone is keeping count.

This is just one site. How many other forums are experiencing this same thing?

As long as they can keep drawing us in and making us post, anwwering their idiocy, they are achieving their goal.

What the rest of you conclude about the attention you give these people from here on in is up to you.

I'm through with it.

[Jack_Savage]

As much as I admire my Conservative Cohorts for standing tall in the face of this Paulbot infestation that seems to have taken over here and consumed the site, I am getting very weary of the back-and-forth yada yada.

It has become inane and serves no purpose that I can see.

We --WE --all of us --Paulbots included, know that Ron Paul will not be the Republican Nominee.

For all of the cheer leading idiocy posted here by the Paulbots, they know deep down in their hearts that Paul will not be the nominee, and I can only conclude that their presence here is for no other purpose than to disrupt. A couple of them may be very lonely individuals, seeking attention in the only way they know how. For the most part, they are here to disrupt.

Personally, I do not believe for one minute that any of these Paulbots think for an instant that Paul wil be the nominee. Not for one minute do they belive it.

For all we know, any one of them --or all of them, have cut themselves in for a slice of the Ron Paul Retirement Fund. Maybe they're getting paid by the post for the number of posts they can elicit from those of us who answer their idiocy. Maybe someone is keeping count.

This is just one site. How many other forums are experiencing this same thing?

As long as they can keep drawing us in and making us post, anwwering their idiocy, they are achieving their goal.

What the rest of you conclude about the attention you give these people from here on in is up to you.

I'm through with it.


Yes. I've been getting the same information from other sites. Their there, doing nothing more than disrupting. No plans, just disrupting. Avoiding the question as to what they support him for when they know he will lose. That he is a loser.

Its Rupaul and his paul-pimps selling the country out.

[garlicguy]

When did he ever say that?

I doubt you'll actually look the the video linked here of Bush saying that he believed other countries should build themselves up, rather than us building them up, Tex. But you did ask, and I am merely providing the evidence for my claim.

Bush 2000 Campaign - Did he really say that? (A YouTube video) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=vpwi0zwnWRE&eurl=http%3A//shots.snap.com/explore/50368/%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252Fv% 252Fvpwi0zwnWRE%2526rel%253D1%26key%3D32&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/vpwi0zwnWRE/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJa0kAA0RH29uGROTL-j5lL&&rel=1&border=0)

[jayson]

For all we know, any one of them --or all of them, have cut themselves in for a slice of the Ron Paul Retirement Fund. Maybe they're getting paid by the post for the number of posts they can elicit from those of us who answer their idiocy. Maybe someone is keeping count.

I thought I heard it all on this forum until I read this. :roar:

[garlicguy]

I thought I heard it all on this forum until I read this. :roar:

Yuppir! Talk about your hair-brained, wild-assed, speculating conspiracy theorists! Lubbock and Tex should easily win the prize in that category and the upcoming Whackos-R-Us awards.

[jayson]

Yuppir! Talk about your hair-brained, wild-assed, speculating conspiracy theorists! Lubbock and Tex should easily win the prize in that category and the upcoming Whackos-R-Us awards.

I was nominated for those awards too! But with competition like that... well, there's just no way I could ever beat them. And to think that award would have looked so nice on my mantle! :sad:

:lol: