No NAFTA Superhighway? Dumb Canucks

[garlicguy]

It would seem that some of our northern neighbors have also been mislead by rumors of a NAFTA Superhighway.

See for yourself ----> Here, Courtesy Alberta Government (http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFTRA_Content/docType56/Production/pol306.htm)

:ooo:

[Beowulf]

I'm not sure I follow. I get the impression that they don't want this "superhighway" to exist. If so, they're smarter than we are!

[Sarah]

The NAFTA superhighway is very real. They talk about it on the local news here and the governor has a fact sheet about it on his website. Yet people still blow it off as some kook conspiracy theory.

[Naturalized-Texan]

The NAFTA superhighway is very real. They talk about it on the local news here and the governor has a fact sheet about it on his website. Yet people still blow it off as some kook conspiracy theory.
The problem is that the so-called NAFTA superhighway is nothing more than I-69 that has been on the books as a future Interstate highway since before NAFTA was proposed. When I-69 was proposed, it was to begin in the Rio Grande Valley and link to the existing I-69 in Indianapolis. That already completed part of I-69 runs from Indianapolis to Port Huron, Michigan.

The kooky part is that it is claimed by the conspiracy theorists to be part of the nutty NAU conspiracy theory.

[Sarah]

The problem is that the so-called NAFTA superhighway is nothing more than I-69 that has been on the books as a future Interstate highway since before NAFTA was proposed. When I-69 was proposed, it was to begin in the Rio Grande Valley and link to the existing I-69 in Indianapolis. That already completed part of I-69 runs from Indianapolis to Port Huron, Michigan.

The kooky part is that it is claimed by the conspiracy theorists to be part of the nutty NAU conspiracy theory.
I wouldn't dismiss the NAU just yet. It's not all just conspiracy nut jobbery.

[CzechPrince]

Good. It'll be easier to move goods and services.

It's not hard to regulate a highway with gates and what not at the border. Problem is, we don't seem to grasp how to handle protecting the border.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I wouldn't dismiss the NAU just yet.
I already have dismissed the NAU and have provided proof here that it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
It's not all just conspiracy nut jobbery.
Sure, it is.

[DesertFox]

It's all just conspiracy nut jobbery.

[S-T]

Speaking as someone who lives very close to where the highway will run, I say...

Just build it!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/conservatibbs/I-69.jpg

[Sarah]

I already have dismissed the NAU and have provided proof here that it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

Sure, it is.
Actually you haven't really.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Actually you haven't really.
That's just your opinion. I showed documented proof.

[S-T]

Um, I'm not sure what the argument is about. Proponents of I-69 are openly talking about it as a "NAFTA superhighway" - something that will bring economic development and good jobs to cities along the route. Have I missed something from a previous thread?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/conservatibbs/I-69.jpg

Just build it!

[Naturalized-Texan]

Um, I'm not sure what the argument is about. Proponents of I-69 are openly talking about it as a "NAFTA superhighway" - something that will bring economic development and good jobs to cities along the route. Have I missed something from a previous thread?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/conservatibbs/I-69.jpg

Just build it!
Yeah, just build it. However, it has nothing to do with the wacky NAU conspiracy theory.

In Texas, I-69 will roughly follow the US 59 right of way and that right of way has recently been narrowed significantly to lessen the property impact. It will now bypass Houston instead of going straight through. Since we often travel on US 59 on our way to visit relatives in the Northeast, I would welcome the I-69 superhighway.

[Sarah]

That's just your opinion. I showed documented proof.
Not really. It's easy to disprove the alex jones version of a NAU where we will wake up in 2010 with the NAU flag flying over Washington and the amero in our pockets. I agree that is a bunch of BS.

What I'm talking about is a long term plan spanning decades. If you look at the history of the EU it started out as trade agreements along with integration of infrastructure. Very similar to what NAFTA and the SPP is.

[Sarah]

Um, I'm not sure what the argument is about. Proponents of I-69 are openly talking about it as a "NAFTA superhighway" - something that will bring economic development and good jobs to cities along the route. Have I missed something from a previous thread?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/conservatibbs/I-69.jpg

Just build it!
The problem with the TTC is more about the effects of eminent domain. A lot of people may lose property just to have a fat freeway that moves goods from Mexico faster.

[Teenager]

Not really. It's easy to disprove the alex jones version of a NAU where we will wake up in 2010 with the NAU flag flying over Washington and the amero in our pockets. I agree that is a bunch of BS.

What I'm talking about is a long term plan spanning decades. If you look at the history of the EU it started out as trade agreements along with integration of infrastructure. Very similar to what NAFTA and the SPP is.

Agreed. North America is merely following the footsteps of socialist America.

[The_Elucidator]

Yeah, just build it. However, it has nothing to do with the wacky NAU conspiracy theory.

In Texas, I-69 will roughly follow the US 59 right of way and that right of way has recently been narrowed significantly to lessen the property impact. It will now bypass Houston instead of going straight through. Since we often travel on US 59 on our way to visit relatives in the Northeast, I would welcome the I-69 superhighway.

Whatever!!! Even the Mayors of McAllen (whom Rudy dissed when he said if you want to talk to me you have to go to a 300 a plate dinner :rotflmbo:) Mission and Harlingen call it the NAFTA Superhighway on the news all the time...!! That is a FACT!!!

NAU... Is a theory *work in progress!!!

[Rhino]

The 'NAFTA Superhighway' exists, sort of. It isn't actually named that, and many of the hyped up stories about it are untrue, but there are trade corridors being planned. The majority of that planning began even before NAFTA was proposed, so they aren't really linked, except by coincidence.

The NAU does not exist, nor does any official effort or proposal for it. That's not to say that some people wouldn't want it, and are actively pushing for it. But the backdoor 'secret government plan' to institute it is nothing more than a conspiracy theory. And yes, NT has documented the proof, amongst others. And if this thread continues to drift toward a NAU instead of the trade corridors, it will be moved to Twilight Zone along with all the other conspiracy theories. The trade corridors are real. The NAU is not, at least not yet anyway.

[Lazarus]

The NAU is an unproven theory, but a possibility just the same... I really don't see how someone disproves the existance of something they claim doesn't exist... This is a political theory, not a scientific one...

The real question is, how Probable the theory is, not how Possible it is... I will admit it is unproven - But there is enough smoke to indicate that the probability of a fire should be investigated - or at least a watch should be kept on it...

This has not gotten to the "Black Helicopter" stage, but there is enough noise floating around out there to justify observation...

I think its unfair and narrow-minded to just tag it as a nutcase conspiracy - there isn't enough evidence to condemn it or confirm it... There ARE forces in this country and government who are fully capable of such a venture - It would be foolish to pretend the threat isnt there... One of them is running for president this year... Its the same threat we have had overshadowing America since Communism came along...

I intend to remain open-minded about it... It might be important to do so in the long run...

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

The NAU is an unproven theory, but a possibility just the same... I really don't see how someone disproves the existance of something they claim doesn't exist... This is a political theory, not a scientific one...

The real question is, how Probable the theory is, not how Possible it is... I will admit it is unproven - But there is enough smoke to indicate that the probability of a fire should be investigated - or at least a watch should be kept on it...

This has not gotten to the "Black Helicopter" stage, but there is enough noise floating around out there to justify observation...

I think its unfair and narrow-minded to just tag it as a nutcase conspiracy - there isn't enough evidence to condemn it or confirm it... There ARE forces in this country and government who are fully capable of such a venture - It would be foolish to pretend the threat isnt there... One of them is running for president this year... Its the same threat we have had overshadowing America since Communism came along...

I intend to remain open-minded about it... It might be important to do so in the long run...

:yeahthat::ditto:

[Rhino]

I think its unfair and narrow-minded to just tag it as a nutcase conspiracy - there isn't enough evidence to condemn it or confirm it...The concept is not a nutcase conspiracy, but the assertion that5 there is an ongoing secret government effort toward it, is a nutcase conspiracy. That simply because, not only is there not enough evidence to confirm it, there's not even any evidence at all to indicate it.

[Rhino]

And off to The Twilight Zone we go.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Laz said nothing that should have relegated this thread to The Twilight Zone. His post was quite reasonable. And if it was my agreement with his words that did it, I don't know why. Not arguing, just wanted my disagreement on the record.

[Rhino]

It wasn't a matter of him posting anything unreasonable. That isn't a criteria anyway. The posts in this thread have all become about a NAU instead of the trade corridors. That's why it got sent here.

[garlicguy]

This has not gotten to the "Black Helicopter" stage, but there is enough noise floating around out there to justify observation...



I keep trying to tell you guys - They've painted the helicopters white!


:daz:

[DeclinetoState]

It's my understanding that Bill Clinton was very excited about the 69.

:evilgrin:

[Franko]

As with Bill Clinton, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

There may be good intentions with the highway, but as I said in an earlier post, time will tell.

And then it will be too late.

If we had leaders we could trust . . . I wouldn't be so 'skeptical' of all the good that will come of this highway.

There's no good idea that a politician can't screw up beyond all recognition.

[DeclinetoState]

There's no good idea that a politician can't screw up beyond all recognition.The next good idea that a politician doesn't screw up beyond all recognition will be the first.

[garlicguy]

The next good idea that a politician doesn't screw up beyond all recognition will be the first.

Quite correct, and here's the reason, (elementary really):

UC Berkeley just announced the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element has been named Governmentium.
Governmentium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.
These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.
When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element which radiates just as much energy, since it has half as many peons, but twice as many morons.
Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert.
It can be detected, however, as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A reaction that normally takes one minute or less will require a week or more if contaminated by any Governmentium.
The half-life of Governmentium is 4 years. It does not, however, decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutron exchange places. In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.
The characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration.
This hypothetical quantity is called Critical Morass.

[Franko]

Heaviest element= most dense

[RogerFGay]

The kooky part is that it is claimed by the conspiracy theorists to be part of the nutty NAU conspiracy theory.

I wish somebody would explain to me, quick and simple summary, what the kooky part of the "conspiracy theory" is. All the facts seem to be in order. All I get from the discussion is that there are people who want to interpret the facts like they aren't there - sort of "just conicidence" kinds of comments even though an intent has been stated, agreements have been signed, and work has started. My regular sign off is "correlation does not prove causality" - but there does come a point when you have to accept cause and effect.

[DeclinetoState]

It's my understanding that Bill Clinton was very excited about the 69.

:evilgrin:
As with Bill Clinton, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

There may be good intentions with the highway, but as I said in an earlier post, time will tell.

When Bill was excited about the 69, he wasn't thinking of the highway.

[Franko]

When Bill was excited about the 69, he wasn't thinking of the highway.

He was thinking with his other brain.

[TheIrishman]

To find The NAU in government look up SPP. Can't recall what those letters stand for but it is the SAME thing. They changed the name so they could say "No, there are no plans for an NAU".

There are plans for a New World Order, also, but let's see you find that in print, or get a Rockefeller or Clinton(examples) to admit. Hell, not more than a coupla three thousand people knew anything about the Bilderberg until about 8 years ago. Doesn't mean it wasn't there for 60 years. They held a meeting every year. Ever read about it? They're getting bolder by the month so you WILL hear more about it.

[jayson]

Security and Prosperity Partnership.

I keep tellin' ya, hand a person $100 and wrap a nice warm blanket around them and they will forget about such nuisances as privacy or sovereignty... so long as they get to keep the blanket and spend the $100.

[DeclinetoState]

To find The NAU in government look up SPP. Can't recall what those letters stand for but it is the SAME thing. They changed the name so they could say "No, there are no plans for an NAU".

Security and Prosperity Partnership.

Welcome to Newspeak.

[TheIrishman]

The centerpiece of current efforts is the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) -- a trilateral arrangement made without Congressional approval to facilitate economic, legal and political integration in this new North American “framework.”

Perhaps you naysayers should watch this youtube of Lou Dobbs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etbGNLS8Yg0&eurl=http://www.nauwarroom.org/index.php/news/3-superhighway/46-loudobbsexposesthetruth

Help at all?

[Rhino]

Nope. Seen it all before. Perhaps you should view some of the prior debates on this here.

[Franko]

I saw Rhino at a meeting of the TLC, the Bilderbergers and Greenpeace just last week. They were discussing the corridor. Now you know why he replies as he does.

[Rhino]

I've been found out!!! http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/frighten1.gif

:rotflmbo:

[DeclinetoState]

When Bill was excited about the 69, he wasn't thinking of the highway.He was thinking with his other brain.Yeah, the one in his "other" head, if you know what I mean.