Hey Paul Haters.....check this out.

[THEBIRD]

Fred Thompson led the first two online polls of main stream conservatives at GrassFire.org

That means people like you on this site!

The May 2007 straw poll (91,000 polled) put Fred Thompson at 26% and Rudy at 13%.
Ron Paul was at 6%

The Sept 2007 straw poll (39,000 polled) put Fred Thompson at 28% and Rudy at 11%
Ron Paul saw a 50% increase and rose to 13%

READ VERY CAREFULLY WHAT GRASSFIRE SAYS NEXT:
“Paul’s rise shows that conservatives are not all that thrilled with the anointed frontrunners,” says Elliott. “Paul’s message is resonating with many conservatives, and it would be wise for the other candidates to take note.”

Now, its very clear that Paul will have even better numbers than the September poll. I predict as others are at Grassfire, that Paul will be either number 2 or number 1 in the straw poll!!!!

SO!!
I want to give the opportunity to all the Paul haters on this site to vote for their man Thompson before the results are counted. That way non of you can tell me that these results don't matter. Thompson has already won the past two polls and if he loses on the next one to Ron Paul, you CAN'T TELL ME THE POLL DOESN'T COUNT.

So vote in the poll now.

http://www.grassfire.org/94/survey.asp (http://www.grassfire.org/94/survey.asp?RID=14141746)

Survey methodology
Grassfire.org conducted the survey August 27-September 2. All active Grassfire.org team members were invited to participate. 39,440 participated. The survey has a margin of error of less than 1% at a 99% confidence level for the Grassfire.org audience of approximately 1 million grassroots conservatives.

[Madbomber]

LOL You come here looking to inform non-Paul voters to vote for thier people and end up getting a Paul supporter to vote. Nice.

Never knew about that poll... until now.

[THEBIRD]

Well I just want these haters like Texan to be able to say they took part in the poll....a poll where Thompson came in first the last two times. So that when Paul takes the lead or comes in second, they can't say that their voice wasn't heard.

They need to understand that REAL CONSERVATIVES across this country are fed up with Bush and this government and its time to take it back. Till now, Texan and others on this site think that its the libs that are supporting Paul...that is not the case.

When Paul wins this next poll or comes close to winning it, there will be no doubt that Christian, gun owning, closed border, small government CONSERVATIVES are supporting Ron Paul. Many of them, veterans like myself.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I don't "hate" Ron Paul. I just don't believe he 1) is the best representative of conservatives or the Republican party, nor 2) is the best candidate to serve in the office of the Presidency.

[THEBIRD]

What would society have to look like to vote T-Bag (Ron Paul) into the Oval Office. A Ned Lamont type as President. John Mark Karr, psyco looking whiner, That is the Ron Paul model.



You just compared an air force veteran, medical doctor and 10 term congressman to a child rapist. Nothing you ever say will hold water with me ever. You're done here.

[Sarah]

I was for Ron Paul at first until he brought up his blame America attitude about terrorism.
Yes I know that is what many say he didn't mean, but it sure looks it to me.

[Madbomber]

What would society have to look like to vote T-Bag (Ron Paul) into the Oval Office. A Ned Lamont type as President. John Mark Karr, psyco looking whiner, That is the Ron Paul model.

If that were to happen, America would deserve what it got. But hey he would probably get along with Aslobojibajabber. I bet he would take the Islamic pledge if he could put a few stars on his shoulder. He is like the pukes who signed up for Hitlers Storm-Troopers. Hollow-hearted power hungry boot lickers. Thats the Ron Paul senior staff.


Foaming at the mouth again?

[Madbomber]

I was for Ron Paul at first until he brought up his blame America attitude about terrorism.
Yes I know that is what many say he didn't mean, but it sure looks it to me.

We were not at fualt for the 911 attacks, its that simple; but, to think that we havent pissed off a lot of people with our foreign policy is just naive. We shouldnt be sticking our noses into everyone else's business on a worldwide scale. just remember whenever you support one side of an arguement you are inveriably opposing the other side.

[Sarah]

We were not at fualt for the 911 attacks, its that simple; but, to think that we havent pissed off a lot of people with our foreign policy is just naive. We shouldnt be sticking our noses into everyone else's business on a worldwide scale. just remember whenever you support one side of an arguement you are inveriably opposing the other side.
I understand that argument but no matter what, somebody will be pissed off at what we do. To suggest running saddam out of Kuwait or defending Israel is the cause of terrorism is ridiculous.

[Etaoin]

Call it a DICHOTOMY, A SPLIT PERSONALITY, OR WHATEVER- It is a major porblem to get the "True Believer" marshalled into an effective organization when one discusses POLITICS.

I agree with Ron Paul on everything except 9/11. While I believe that many of Bush's positions are correct, he has waffled between conservative and cooperation with the Democrats that his record is substantially tarnished.

Some of his positions are anathema to the conservative agenda, namely, lack of fiduciary discipline, Responsibly addressing the Illegal inundation, the fiscal total irresponsibility! Again, speaking as a CONSERVATIVE, his support of Tax cuts, Respect for life, Response to the Muslim attack on the Twin Towers, and the courage to designate the three major threats to a non-nuclear future as being Iran, North Korea and IRAQ as being the major threats to the future of Western Civilization, certainly merit our support.

The fundamental message here is: We, obviously, cannot have that which we desire, but we are again forced into a situation where we must accomodate that which we detest in order to attain that which we desire.
Which choice will permit enough of us survive to teach those who follow the dreams of our national founders.

[CzechPrince]

You just compared an air force veteran, medical doctor and 10 term congressman to a child rapist. Nothing you ever say will hold water with me ever. You're done here.

Yeah, that is low, and it's a disgusting comparison as well. But that's what you can expect from certain kinds of people.

This is coming from someone who doesn't even support Paul.

[jayson]

You just compared an air force veteran, medical doctor and 10 term congressman to a child rapist. Nothing you ever say will hold water with me ever. You're done here.

Ehhh, don't mind D4R, he is just in a hissy fit because his candidate's campaign is unraveling before everyone's eyes.

[Jack_Savage]

You just compared an air force veteran, medical doctor and 10 term congressman to a child rapist. Nothing you ever say will hold water with me ever.


Trying to cloak a coward like Ron Paul, who calls for surrender, who obstructs the President, with some patriotic cover is the essence of deceit. But I haven't heard much else from you. What is the plan for the domino's that follow retreat? What happens after surrender?

Ron Paul is the most disgusting example of a public service I have ever seen. To blabber on and on that we should negocitate detente with those who plan our destruction tells me oh so much about those who follow him.

You're done here.

Do you always mouth off?

Do it with someone who cares.

[Jack_Savage]

Foaming at the mouth again?

Is that the best you can do?

The more I think about it, maybe that was you in the red shirt with Ron Paul. :D

[Naturalized-Texan]

Fred Thompson represents everything good that the Paul-heads want in a president, so why are the Paul-heads supporting a traitor like Ron Paul who is undermining our troops and who is actively working to secure America's defeat in the War on Terror - World War IV - a war in which the very survival of our nation is at stake?

[THEBIRD]

Fred Thompson represents everything good that the Paul-heads want in a president, so why are the Paul-heads supporting a traitor like Ron Paul who is undermining our troops and who is actively working to secure America's defeat in the War on Terror - World War IV - a war in which the very survival of our nation is at stake?

Because he won't CUT the government....I mean CUT....like tell workers at many of these useless federal agencies to go home and get a real job.

He won't talk about building a wall like Ron Paul has done. A Big wall with ARMED TROOPS LOOKING OVER IT! That is the kind of talk I want!

Not only that but Fred just doesn't seem well....seems like he searches to much for his answers. I want a President who doesn't have to do that. Thompson has been a big disappointment for me. Sure he looks good on TV but when you consider he only has one liners on camera and the lines are fed to him in between camera shots, even Bush could sound good.

Fred was a non starter. Ron Paul or bust.:thumb:

[garlicguy]

so why are the Paul-heads supporting ... Ron Paul

Since you asked -

Among many other things, there are these two that stand out:

1) Integrity of the man. Ron Paul has proven over a 30 year interval that he is uncompromising in his principles. He is NOT for sale.
2) One proof of the above claim is that he is NOT a member of the CFR (http://www.cfr.org/), which cannot be said about Senator Thompson.

gg

[Kathy30]

I was completely neutral about Ron Paul, until I heard what he had to say out of his own mouth. That's when I started leaning away. I refuse to listen to what others say about him, I listen to the man himself and what I hear isn't all that good.

His intention to surrender to muslim extremists is one reason but another one is his changable attitude towards illegals. He changes his position as often as Hillary!

No one who accepts anything other than complete deportation and sealing the border is going to get my vote.

[Naturalized-Texan]

THEBIRD & gg: You didn't answer my question:

Why are you supporting a traitor like Ron Paul who is undermining our troops and who is actively working to secure America's defeat in the War on Terror - World War IV - a war in which the very survival of our nation is at stake?

It seems to me that by supporting a traitor you are endorsing his treason.

[THEBIRD]

I don't agree with you that he is a traitor.

Unlike the dems and liberals, he does not overly advocate that the war should end because of the "extreme" loss of life. Hell, we lost on average 350 soldiers a day in WW2.

He wants the troops brought home from Iraq because 1. the war/invasion was not declared by congress by order of the Constitution and 2. because the over extension and money being spent is literally bankrupting this country right before our eyes.

You can keep printing money but as you do the money becomes worth less and less and eventually the rest of the world is going to realize that the US dollar isn't worth squat anymore.

You can still fight WW4 and win it by attacking and toppleing governments like the Taliban WHICH RON PAUL VOTED IN FAVOR OF!!!!!! if they stage attacks on American soil. Just don't set up shop and build bases all over the world like the British Empire did. It didn't work then...it won't work now.

Bring em home and put them on the border and machine gun the first illegal that pops up over the hill side. Thats what Paul says he will do.


The last thing I would call him is a traitor. Patriot is what he is in my book. He may agree with the democrats, but its for very different reasons.

[The_Elucidator]

He wants the troops brought home from Iraq because 1. the war/invasion was not declared by congress by order of the Constitution and 2. because the over extension and money being spent is literally bankrupting this country right before our eyes.


Wrong on 1

I know you don't like N-T and probably have him on Global Ignore but you need to turn off the option and read the plethora of information he has posted as to why congress did authorize this war.

Wrong on 2

The security of this country is the one thing that the Gubmint IS supposed to spend money on. If this country is going bankrupt before our very eyes it isn't because of this war.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

The security of this country is the one thing that the Gubmint IS supposed to spend money on. If this country is going bankrupt before our very eyes it isn't because of this war.

Abso-freaking-lutely! :claps: Try Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. Add to that all the ENTITLEMENT programs and PORK. None of which are Constitutional. National Security, federal infrastructure, that's it, that's ALL our FEDERAL Government should be doing. Too many hand-outs, too much money for governmental services, too many employees of bloated and unnecessary departments.

Ron Paul is the "new" Ross Perot.

[THEBIRD]

I agree with you Homeschool that those programs need to be cut.....but Ron Paul is the ONLY one talking about cutting THOSE PROGRAMS and naming them directly.

Elucidator (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/member.php?u=87) the government is supposed to spend money on the defense of our country....that is what the founders intended.....BUT they did not intend to spend that money on troops in over 170 countries other than our OWN!!! Plus the resupply, bases, fueling and everything else it takes to keep those troops running in that many places.

Bring the troops home and put them on the border and in the airports like Israel does and then lets cut those programs like HomeSchool mentioned. Thompson won't speak of cutting any of what was mentioned above directly.

[The_Elucidator]

I agree with you Homeschool that those programs need to be cut.....but Ron Paul is the ONLY one talking about cutting THOSE PROGRAMS and naming them directly.

Elucidator (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/member.php?u=87) the government is supposed to spend money on the defense of our country....that is what the founders intended.....BUT they did not intend to spend that money on troops in over 170 countries other than our OWN!!! Plus the resupply, bases, fueling and everything else it takes to keep those troops running in that many places.

Bring the troops home and put them on the border and in the airports like Israel does and then lets cut those programs like HomeSchool mentioned. Thompson won't speak of cutting any of what was mentioned above directly.

You would make a lousy Defensive Coordinator in football.

No guys, we are only going to rush 2 guys and let the QB pick us apart because they might beat us with the long ball. :rolleyes:

And I am calling you on the 170 countries bullshit! Since you and some others have taken to spouting that number, why don't you give us a breakdown!!

How many of those "170" countries contain 1 - 3 troops at an Embassy, or intelligence gathering...etc. You make it sound as if we have thousands of these imperialistic troops in each country basically running the country. Put up or shut up!

[Naturalized-Texan]

I don't agree with you that he is a traitor.
Then you need to read the Constitution, particularly Article III, Section 3:

Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. (Emphasis added)

Ron Paul is clearly giving Aid and Comfort to our enemies in a time of war, a war he voted to declare on September 14, 2001. He is undermining our troops with his anti-war rhetoric and he has voted repeatedly to cut off funds to our troops fighting for his freedom. That is treason by the very definition quoted above.

[Naturalized-Texan]

the government is supposed to spend money on the defense of our country....that is what the founders intended.....BUT they did not intend to spend that money on troops in over 170 countries other than our OWN!!! Plus the resupply, bases, fueling and everything else it takes to keep those troops running in that many places.
The troops who are fighting World War IV - the War on Terror - ARE defending our country - defending us from terrorist attacks.

Of course your "170 countries" claim is patently false and you know it.

Bring the troops home and put them on the border and in the airports like Israel does and then lets cut those programs like HomeSchool mentioned. Thompson won't speak of cutting any of what was mentioned above directly.
It's illegal, and probably unconstitutional, to use our troops to defend our borders, including placing them in airports. The U.S. is not a police state as you seem to want to make it.

[THEBIRD]

Hey Texan & Elucidator....Do your research before you spot off next time ass.

Notice France and China and other places where we have embassy are not lite up because they don't count.

The US has nearly 1.4 million active personnel, and over 369,000 of those are deployed outside the United States. We have over 2000 troops in Africa alone.

Its sad how much you don't know and what spoon fed garbage you allow yourself to be fed by the liberal GOP.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6a/US_military_bases_in_the_world_2007.PNG/800px-US_military_bases_in_the_world_2007.PNG

[Naturalized-Texan]

Hey Texan & Elucidator....Do your research before you spot off next time ass.

Notice France and China and other places where we have embassy are not lite up because they don't count.

The US has nearly 1.4 million active personnel, and over 369,000 of those are deployed outside the United States. We have over 2000 troops in Africa alone.

Its sad how much you don't know and what spoon fed garbage you allow yourself to be fed by the liberal GOP.
Thanks for providing proof that your claim that we have troops in 170 countries is false. That map doesn't even show that we have troops in as many as 50 countries. I appreciate your admission that you were wrong. :claps::thumb:

[THEBIRD]

ACtually the number is around 130-140....yes it is over 100. Prove me wrong on that. There is easily 100 veiwable countries on that map.

[Naturalized-Texan]

ACtually the number is around 130-140....yes it is over 100. Prove me wrong on that.
From the map you provided my actual count was less than 40, counting those in which we have use of military facilities where it's highly unlikely that we have any troops stationed there.

[Eagle1]

We were not at fualt for the 911 attacks, its that simple; but, to think that we havent pissed off a lot of people with our foreign policy is just naive. We shouldnt be sticking our noses into everyone else's business on a worldwide scale. just remember whenever you support one side of an arguement you are inveriably opposing the other side.

It's not right to make people angry with our foreign policy?
Does that work for domestic policy too? The dems don't like tax cuts, it makes them angry, we shouldn't do it.
I bet Hitler was pretty pissed on D-Day.

Paul ignores globalization, a uni-polar system, and terrorism.

[Eagle1]

Notice France and China and other places where we have embassy are not lite up because they don't count.

The US has nearly 1.4 million active personnel, and over 369,000 of those are deployed outside the United States. We have over 2000 troops in Africa alone.




wow, so lets pull out of everywhere. you are so right on this. let N korea take over the south and cripple micorchip production. let Iran take over Iraq. Let every Arab state kill off Israel. Sit back and never use the military ever again. Wow, I can't believe we haven't done this sooner. Go Paul!!!! Lets go cut global communication lines as well. And cut off trade. We don't need to be invlolved in the business of other countries.

[jayson]

Lets go cut global communication lines as well. And cut off trade. We don't need to be invlolved in the business of other countries.

It is ignorant misinformation like what you just said that always seems to get under my skin.

Ron has repeatedly said that he would like to see the US open up with countries. Lift sanctions, trade with them and have our people travel to their countries. Talk with them. Therefore, he is far from an isolationist as you seem to imply.

As it stands today, we choose to play "big man on campus"... but we all so easily forget that everyone else in high school hated that kid.

[jayson]

It's not right to make people angry with our foreign policy?

Do YOU want a majority of the world's governments angry at our country because we stepped on their toes at one point or another? Does anyone remember "Walk softly and carry a big stick"? Now it seems the GOP philosophy is "Walk wherever the hell I want and you will dare not speak out about it", and if anyone in the US doesn't agree with that, they are instantly anti-American anti-yadda yadda yadda.

Does that work for domestic policy too? The dems don't like tax cuts, it makes them angry, we shouldn't do it.

If we dropped this "We are 100% right" attitude, (and they did, too), we might actually have a civil political situation. The way I see it now, with the divide in this country, we will end up like the Romans right before sliding into a dictatorship. If you know your history, you would realize that the two political parties would have the other's senators assassinated right on the steps of the Senate. It was only 30 or so years of such savage politics that Caesar took over as First Emperor. I fear that we are not far from this.

[jayson]

The security of this country is the one thing that the Gubmint IS supposed to spend money on. If this country is going bankrupt before our very eyes it isn't because of this war.

The $1,600,000,000,000 spent so far surely hasn't helped.

[jayson]

Try Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. Add to that all the ENTITLEMENT programs and PORK. None of which are Constitutional. National Security, federal infrastructure, that's it, that's ALL our FEDERAL Government should be doing. Too many hand-outs, too much money for governmental services, too many employees of bloated and unnecessary departments.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[THEBIRD]

Then Kathy, Paul is your man. He has never utered the word surrender.
And he very much wants to build a large wall and put ARMED US troops on it while deporting the ones in country and putting in jail those that hire them.

The border and the 2nd Amendment are big issues for me and Paul is the only one speaking frankly and not dancing with words concerning those issues.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Then Kathy, Paul is your man. He has never utered the word surrender.
But Ron Paul is a traitor because he undermines our troops fighting to protect him and us and he has repeatedly voted against providing funds for our troops to fight a war he voted to declare. In other words, he is giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a war in which the very future of our nation is at stake.

[Naturalized-Texan]

BTW, I noticed that THEBIRD abruptly changed the subject after I (with his help) proved that his claim that we have troops in 170 countries was a bald-faced lie. :rotflmbo::rotflmbo: :hahaha::hahaha:

[Eagle1]

But Ron Paul is a traitor because he undermines our troops fighting to protect him and us and he has repeatedly voted against providing funds for our troops to fight a war he voted to declare. In other words, he is giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a war in which the very future of our nation is at stake.
:claps::claps::claps::claps::claps::claps::claps:

[Eagle1]

Ron has repeatedly said that he would like to see the US open up with countries. Lift sanctions, trade with them and have our people travel to their countries. Talk with them. Therefore, he is far from an isolationist as you seem to imply. .
oh, so all international relations are good unless the US military is involved?


As it stands today, we choose to play "big man on campus"... but we all so easily forget that everyone else in high school hated that kid.
because it just breaks my heart when other countries hate us
i dont give a crap how they feel about what we do, only that we get done what we want to get done

[Eagle1]

Do YOU want a majority of the world's governments angry at our country because we stepped on their toes at one point or another?
Yes. This is the greatest nation that has ever existed. We do what is right because it is right. I don't give a damn what the left has to say about it.


If we dropped this "We are 100% right" attitude, (and they did, too), we might actually have a civil political situation.
If you don't think you are right why are you arguing?

[The_Elucidator]

Hey Texan & Elucidator....Do your research before you spot off next time ass.


Hey Tex; since he used ass in the singular I think he means you.. :smirky:

Notice France and China and other places where we have embassy are not lite up because they don't count.

Why not?

The US has nearly 1.4 million active personnel, and over 369,000 of those are deployed outside the United States. We have over 2000 troops in Africa alone.

How many of those are in Iraq, Afghanistan??

Oooohhh 2000 in Africa,,, we got those bastards by the jugular dont we!! :nutkick:

Let me guess, for the GOP to keep the slave labor trade alive???

Its sad how much you don't know and what spoon fed garbage you allow yourself to be fed by the liberal GOP.

Amazing how much you subscribe to the www.idontknowjackshitaboutamericanpolitics.com (http://www.idontknowjackshitaboutamericanpolitics.com) website!!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6a/US_military_bases_in_the_world_2007.PNG/800px-US_military_bases_in_the_world_2007.PNG

Let's see... By your map I don't quite come up with the 170 number you have been throwing around so freely, Hell, I don't come up with a third of that!!!

Nice try scooter! :rolleyes:

[Madbomber]

because it just breaks my heart when other countries hate us
i dont give a crap how they feel about what we do, only that we get done what we want to get done


That is exactly the kind of attitude that motivates people into running airplanes into our buildings.

[Eagle1]

That is exactly the kind of attitude that motivates people into running airplanes into our buildings.

thats right, we should understand that we are asking for death

so republicans must take responsibility for 9/11 because they offended the terrorists. Cultural relativism is great!!!

[ldb83]

That is exactly the kind of attitude that motivates people into running airplanes into our buildings.

thats right, we should understand that we are asking for death

so republicans must take responsibility for 9/11 because they offended the terrorists. Cultural relativism is great!!!

Madbomber, while I agree with you, I don't think Eagle1's is a terribly common attitude, and to say that his is how the U.S. is described would be quite a generalization. Even on this site, you don't see many who so harshly and defensively tout U.S. infallibility as Eagle1 does.

[The_Elucidator]

Madbomber, while I agree with you, I don't think Eagle1's is a terribly common attitude, and to say that his is how the U.S. is described would be quite a generalization. Even on this site, you don't see many who so harshly and defensively tout U.S. infallibility as Eagle1 does.

Wanna Bet??!!

[ldb83]

Wanna Bet??!!

Okay, Elucidator too.

[The_Elucidator]

That is exactly the kind of attitude that motivates people into running airplanes into our buildings.

Then I would suggest that you or the muzzies not go to an Eagles vs Steelers or Notre Dame vs Michigan Football game!!!

[Naturalized-Texan]

It's no surprise that Ron Paul opposes fighting fascism.

[The_Elucidator]

Okay, Elucidator too.

Thank you!

[jayson]

It's no surprise that Ron Paul opposes fighting fascism.

May I ask who we are fighting that are fascists?

[DesertFox]

The Izzies. They're as fascist as it gets.

[Maggie_T]

idb83 said:
Madbomber, while I agree with you, I don't think Eagle1's is a terribly common attitude, and to say that his is how the U.S. is described would be quite a generalization. Even on this site, you don't see many who so harshly and defensively tout U.S. infallibility as Eagle1 does.


The Elucidator replied:
Wanna Bet??!!

ldb83 amended:
Okay, Elucidator too.

Maggie portests:
Oy! And what about me? http://foolstown.com/sm/nunu.gif

[THEBIRD]

The 170 number was wrong so I was putting out a wrong number. The DOD website along with wikipedia and a few others all have the number between 130-140 countries so I wasn't that far off.

There are currently over 350,000 troops deployed overseas in those 130-140 countries and they would be better used on our border instead of bleeding our treasury dry fighting in places where there hasn't been peace since the beginning of time.

Do you really think Bush is going to bring peace to the middle east. No? Then bring them the hell home and lets protect our own.

[DesertFox]

You mean, stand them on the southern border have them shoot Mexicans as they stream across?

[Madbomber]

You mean, stand them on the southern border have them shoot Mexicans as they stream across?


Only if they get past the minefields :evilgrin:

[DesertFox]

:thumb:

[Naturalized-Texan]

May I ask who we are fighting that are fascists?
The IslamoFascists, direct descendants of Hitler's Nazis.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Do you really think Bush is going to bring peace to the middle east. .
Hell, yes! He or his successor have no choice but to bring peace to the Middle East - by destroying the IslamoFascists. If not, it's likely that we will all either be dead or being forced to bow down to Mecca.

[Naturalized-Texan]

The 170 number was wrong so I was putting out a wrong number. The DOD website along with wikipedia and a few others all have the number between 130-140 countries so I wasn't that far off..
Prove it! The map you posted shows no more than 40 countries.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I can't get over the impression that Ron Paul is perpetrating an elaborate con with his candidacy.

He claims that he has not participated in the Congressional pension fund. If that is so, and since he has often been duplicitous, there is some doubt that his claim is true. For argument's sake, let's assume that his claim is true. Consequently, he may not have enough funds to finance his retirement.

He knew beyond any doubt that when he started his candidacy that he hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of getting the Republican nomination. And by now he knows that he may not even get reelected to Congress in 2008. So, to raise money for his retirement, it appears that he devised an elaborate con to collect millions of dollars in campaign contributions in order to finance his retirement, and the Paul-heads are the victims of that con.

If this sounds far-fetched, it isn't nearly as far-fetched as the likelyhood that Ron Paul can get the Republican nomination.

[Madbomber]

Prove it! The map you posted shows no more than 40 countries.


I counted around 60 but its really hard to tell with that map. Remember a lot of those tiny little Islands are countries.

Have you got a link for it Bird? I wouldnt mind taking a closer look.



Edit: Actually I found this: http://www.monthlyreview.org/docs/0302map1.pdf Its about 6 years old though. Will keep looking for a current figure.

[Madbomber]

Here is a story that claims 130 countries. As for its accuracy Im not really sure. Will keep digging though.


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0115-08.htm

[Eagle1]

you guys bitch and moan about too much money going to the troops

so far you guys only support money for the border, anything else?

[Madbomber]

you guys bitch and moan about too much money going to the troops

so far you guys only support money for the border, anything else?


Its not the money going to the troops that is the problem. Its the money going to other countries that is the problem. If you station a division in say Germany, most of the money that goes into supporting the division there is going to the local german economy. That money would be much better spent if that division was stationed in the U.S. Couple that with all the money going directly to other countries through foreign aid packages and it adds up quite quickly. Let other countries provide for themselves.

[Madbomber]

I would bet the Paulettes, in places like San Francisco probably meet and party with the wierd-left, in the bars along Castro Street. The Pride Parade route. Thats where they can really hoot and holler in a way that expresses what they are really about, venting pent up rage against this country. Who else could they really bond with when calling for surrender? Castro Street isn't known for patriotism its a perfect match.


Ron Paul is more conservative that Rudy is.

[jayson]

I would bet the Paulettes, in places like San Francisco probably meet and party with the wierd-left, in the bars along Castro Street. The Pride Parade route. Thats where they can really hoot and holler in a way that expresses what they are really about, venting pent up rage against this country. Who else could they really bond with when calling for surrender? Castro Street isn't known for patriotism its a perfect match.

You sure have a wild imagination.