Where the Paulbots get their marching orders!!

[The_Elucidator]

Just a little glimpse via a link on the daily paul website (http://dailypaul.com/node/7914) on how to "conduct" themselves on Internet Forums. Just in case you are wondering; yep you guessed it, looks like we have some disciples right here on our site!

Please take a glimpse into their Website infiltration for dummies!!

Keeping the Love in the rEVOLution

by Bob Murphy (robert_p_murphy@yahoo.com)
by Bob Murphy
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As Lew Rockwell said (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/016853.html), "I guess the memo went out." In the past week there was a seemingly coordinated effort by various right-wing pundits (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/016852.html) and websites to besmirch Ron Paul’s supporters. As we’ve argued before (http://www.lewrockwell.com/murphy/murphy127.html), Republicans who oppose Ron Paul at first hoped he’d just fade into oblivion. But now that ignoring him clearly isn’t working, his opponents have upped the ante.


This is why it is now more important than ever that Paul’s supporters be on their best behavior. Now let me unload the obvious disclaimer: I am not trying to give a sermon, and I have been known in the past to lose my temper in online discussions. Even so, I think my present analysis needs to be stated, just to remind everyone why courtesy works.


More Marching Orders (http://lewrockwell.com/murphy/murphy128.html)


So when you think that they are being nice because they are "just that way" think again!

Enjoy this little tidbit if you can stomach it!!


"...no matter what we do, there will be plenty of smears thrown our way. But remember not to focus on the loudmouths; our goal isn’t to convince them. Rather, the goal (in an online forum, say) is to convince the ninety-nine people reading the website who don’t post anything."

Posted by: Member of the "loudmouth" community that opposes Ron Paul!!

[TeenageRepublican]

Wait, so there's a forum for Ron Paul supporters?
What the hell are they doing here?
And yes, I don't support Ron Paul anymore, I did some research and the bastard believes that America is evil.
Back to Thompson...

[garlicguy]

Having never before read any portion of the post's you put above, Luc, it seems highly divisive on your part to draw such speculative conclusions about any Ron Paul supporter here. I guess your Jesus left the 'speck and plank' bit out of your Bible, eh?

Every time someone gets all high and mighty around here on the subject of "talking points" , I have to laugh. How stupid can one be in their search for demeaning phrases to cast at others?

Every issue, every campaign plan, piece of literature and speech is a "talking point". So what? That is how it is done. So when you parrot Fred's position on an issue, it is by definition a 'talking point'.

As for folks posting on Daily Paul or elsewhere including FC - that is their opinion. Marching orders? Ridiculous.

I am who and what I am and my behavior, good, bad or otherwise is my own and my own responsibility.

If you believe your own conclusion about me or others here based on whatever you read elsewhere then you really are an asshole, especially for one so arrogantly self-described. "Elucidator" my ass! :finger:

Oops! I guess I didn't follow what Luc describes as my marching orders!

Dang it!

gg

[TeenageRepublican]

Every time someone gets all high and mighty around here on the subject of "talking points" , I have to laugh. How stupid can one be in their search for demeaning phrases to cast at others?

Every issue, every campaign plan, piece of literature and speech is a "talking point". So what? That is how it is done. So when you parrot Fred's position on an issue, it is by definition a 'talking point'.

As for folks posting on Daily Paul or elsewhere including FC - that is their opinion. Marching orders? Ridiculous.


I actually agree with you on this. Even though I do think Ron Paul is a...never mind...



I am who and what I am and my behavior, good, bad or otherwise is my own and my own responsibility.

If you believe your own conclusion about me or others here based on whatever you read elsewhere then you really are an asshole, especially for one so arrogantly self-described. "Elucidator" my ass! :finger:


I'm just going to back out of this fight slowly, sit down, and eat popcorn. This is going to be an interesting fight...
:munch:

[d'urville]

Yet another thread where the Paulbot sticks out like a sore thumb - just look for the rudest and most annoying poster there, that's it.

Elucidator, this is where they get their specific marching orders:

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/

And I'm sure someone like NT has already seen this article, but it's beginning to look like a "fantasy" to think he'll be reelected to the House next year:


ANAHUAC — Betty Stroud of nearby Winnie has voted for Ron Paul before. In the March primary she will have the rare chance to vote for him twice on the same day, assuming he is still running simultaneously for president and his District 14 seat in the U.S. House.

But at a gathering of Chambers County Republicans here last week, Stroud said Paul will get no more of her votes. When she saw him on national TV slamming America's involvement in the Iraq war, that was enough. Paul, with his passionate critiques of the Bush administration, is undercutting U.S. soldiers before they even get home, she said.


Rest: LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5343489.html)

I think it's interesting that he has NO Democrat challenger yet, guess they can't figure out how to run to the left of him.

As for all his internet supporters, they're just going to get worse as the primaries unfold.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Lew Rockwell is a racist and an anti-Semite who blames all the world's problems on darker-skinned people and the Jews. Sound familiar?
Unpatriotic Conservatives: A war against America. (http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp)

[jayson]

Lew Rockwell is a racist and an anti-Semite who blames all the world's problems on darker-skinned people and the Jews. Sound familiar?

That's nice NT. I'm not quite sure which is more shocking... that there are racists in the world or that you are attempting to, yet again, use guilt by association to make your point (Sarcasm off from here on out)

Quite frankly, it's a weak argument. As I have said before, undoubtedly Bush had white supremacists, confederate separatists, radical Christian zealots and a whole host of prejudiced folk vote for him... but I'm not going to stand here and say that Bush is all of the above for it. That would not be correct and moreover, it would be a sad and undeniably low attempt at character assassination.

As for the original post... to insinuate that "we" were ordered to "infiltrate conservative boards" and to "disrupt"... well, that's just asinine and foolish, but more importantly it's terribly hilarious to even consider such a thing.

Look back at my old posts, I agreed with you folks. To assert that I registered here over 2 years ago, played along with you all, then got my orders from Ron Paul himself to start my campaign and start spreading his message... Need I even TRY to debunk this? Can't you see how outlandish and foolish you sound?

And to be quite frank, and I say this politely as possible, there are bigger fish in the sea if those were truly my intentions. Let's face it, this board is far from the largest conservative board out there. That's primarily why I like it here, because it has a greater sense of community. Somewhat similar to my desire to live in small towns rather than large cities. If I really wanted to spread Ron's message, I would go blitz boards that receive tremendous amounts of traffic. Why would I waste my time here trying to get my message out to only a handful of people? Even in "silent lurkers" this board is far from the top.

No... no, my intentions are very simply stated. I am here to share my thoughts in a civil manner. There. That's it. The cat is out of the bag. Mystery solved.

[jayson]

Yet another thread where the Paulbot sticks out like a sore thumb - just look for the rudest and most annoying poster there, that's it.

When you dish out condescension, don't be surprised when you receive it in kind. That's human nature, and nature knows no political boundaries.

[jayson]

They are only about being the spoiler. Working to get Hillary or Obama in the Oval Office.

You do realize that... you know... knocking on doors and calling registered democrats would be far easier than trying to play a part in some wild scheme to disrupt sleepy conservative forum boards.

Furthermore, I really do question everything you say, especially considering the fact that your very name is Democrat for Rudy. Hence, a Democrat supporting a liberal. No surprise there. But I do find it interesting that you are on a conservative board disrupting conservative talk, all the while attempting to feebly pimp your liberal-lite candidate.

So, in essence, you are accusing me of playing your game. Why are YOU here trying to sway us towards Giuliani? Maybe you think that Rudy would never win in a general election and are playing this up to make Hillary's chances better? Hmmm? Is that why you are here?

:icon133:

[CzechPrince]

Wait, so there's a forum for Ron Paul supporters?
What the hell are they doing here?
And yes, I don't support Ron Paul anymore, I did some research and the bastard believes that America is evil.
Back to Thompson...

Ron Paul does not believe America is evil. That's a ridiculous statement. He just thinks our foreign policy is wack, and in many instances he's right.

[d'urville]

It's far too late for him to even begin to distance himself from them, his negative approval ratings are in the high 60s in Iowa within the Republican Party.

You do realize that... you know... knocking on doors and calling registered democrats would be far easier than trying to play a part in some wild scheme to disrupt sleepy conservative forum boards.


You're trying that too:


In the weeks leading up to the caucuses, Paul is putting part of his record-setting online fundraising to work with automated telephone calls to unaffiliated voters – presumably including independent-minded people who have never attended a Republican caucus before.

The Rocky Mountain News’ Des Moines bureau received one such call on Thursday night.

The recorded male voice identified the caller as an independent Iowa voter who supported Paul.

The message touted Paul’s congressional record – his famous opposition to anything vaguely resembling a tax increase, his call for securing the U.S.-Mexico border, etc.

And then it included an unconventional pitch to independents, saying that if they want to support Paul, they can change their voter registration to Republican, caucus for Paul on Jan. 3, 2008, and then change right back to independent shortly thereafter.

“We’re just making the point that it’s not permanent. There are a lot of people who would not be in the Republican Party without Ron Paul here,” said Jeff Jared, special projects coordinator for Paul’s Iowa campaign.

We'll dub this the "Republican ONO" strategy.


Then there's the readers' comments at the bottom;

LINK (http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/sprengelmeyer/archives/2007/12/be_a_republican_for_one_night.html)

He's not a Republican, you stalk the Rudy supporters, not the other way around. This is a youtube link of a Republican fundraiser that was held deep in hostile territory - the organizers had to cancel the straw poll they planned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GADQv3vKs

You can console youself with the Bill Maher endorsement. but before I put you back on ignore, time for some unsolicited advice for you :it's not human nature to act like a Democrat in a Republican event, then except ANY support. Dead Libertarian Walking.

[Naturalized-Texan]

jayson: So you're supporting a former Reagan conservative who sold his soul to the hate-America/pro-terrorist left to raise funds for his imminent retirement.

[Jack_Savage]

You do realize that... you know... knocking on doors and calling registered democrats would be far easier than trying to play a part in some wild scheme to disrupt sleepy conservative forum boards.

Furthermore, I really do question everything you say, especially considering the fact that your very name is Democrat for Rudy. Hence, a Democrat supporting a liberal. No surprise there. But I do find it interesting that you are on a conservative board disrupting conservative talk, all the while attempting to feebly pimp your liberal-lite candidate.

So, in essence, you are accusing me of playing your game. Why are YOU here trying to sway us towards Giuliani? Maybe you think that Rudy would never win in a general election and are playing this up to make Hillary's chances better? Hmmm? Is that why you are here?




He has no chance of ever getting elected to anything again. Notice how you avoided answering the question about what your knocking on doors for.

[Naturalized-Texan]

That's nice NT. I'm not quite sure which is more shocking... that there are racists in the world or that you are attempting to, yet again, use guilt by association to make your point.
But the Lew-Rockwell-type racists and anti-Semites are supporting Ron Paul because they agree with him and he agrees with them. Ron Paul has welcomed their support. If he didn't want their support, he would have publicly repudiated them.

The vast majority of the Paul-heads are getting their talking points and marching orders from LewRockwell.com and other similar unpatriotic sites. I suspect that the Paul-heads here are among those getting their talking points from such sites.

[jayson]

It's far too late for him to even begin to distance himself from them, his negative approval ratings are in the high 60s in Iowa within the Republican Party.

I would see that same statistic as 40% positive approval ratings... which is 3-5 fold over what Bush and Congress currently have.

He's not a Republican, you stalk the Rudy supporters, not the other way around. This is a youtube link of a Republican fundraiser that was held deep in hostile territory - the organizers had to cancel the straw poll they planned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GADQv3vKs


No, he is not your idea of a Republican. He is very much conservative. But then again, conservatism isn't represented by Republicans anymore so I guess you may have a point.

As for the poll... Don't hold one if you don't agree with the results. Every person who was going to vote paid $5. Ron is on the Republican ticket, therefore should be included in a Republican straw poll. Stop whining please.


You can console youself with the Bill Maher endorsement. but before I put you back on ignore, time for some unsolicited advice for you :it's not human nature to act like a Democrat in a Republican event, then except ANY support. Dead Libertarian Walking.

Except they weren't acting like Democrats. They were acting like Conservatives at a Republican event. As the years wear on, it looks more and more like that's a taboo thing.

[jayson]

He has no chance of ever getting elected to anything again. Notice how you avoided answering the question about what your knocking on doors for.

Notice how YOU avoided MY question regarding your Democrat presence on a conservative board. Why are you here D4R? Are you really just stirring the pot, getting us all to think Rudy is the only one who has a chance, when the reality is that he doesn't? Why are you supporting Hillary D4R? Are those your true intentions? :rolleyes:

[Jack_Savage]

Notice how YOU avoided MY question regarding your Democrat presence on a conservative board. Why are you here D4R? Are you really just stirring the pot, getting us all to think Rudy is the only one who has a chance, when the reality is that he doesn't? Why are you supporting Hillary D4R? Are those your true intentions? :rolleyes:

Answering questions with a question are chump tactic's. When you answer my question I will answer yours.

[garlicguy]

:roar:jayson: So you're supporting a former Reagan conservative who sold his soul to the hate-America/pro-terrorist left to raise funds for his imminent retirement.

Boy are you ever dense, Tex!!!

We're supporting Ron Paul, not your fantasized straw man that you've tried to make him into!!! How sad your feeble attempts at debate have become. :sad:

Your bestest buddy,

gg:biggrin:

[Naturalized-Texan]

:We're supporting Ron Paul, not your fantasized straw man that you've tried to make him into!!! How sad your feeble attempts at debate have become. :
Thanks for once again proving that you are delusional. When it comes to fighting IslamoFascist terrorists, Ron Paul is a hate-America/pro-terrorist leftist. That's why hate-America/pro-terrorist leftists are propping up his candidacy with heavy contributions. Ron Paul and his Paul-heads are clearly in bed with IslamoFascist terrorists.

Why are you supporting a traitor?

[Seabee]

I must say there is almost a cultish undertone to the tactics of the Paul campaign. The twoofers, conspiracy bubbas, the anti establishment nuts, the "disenfranchised" anti war lefties, etc. all have organized under one banner. Their messages are truly anti mainstream and they are trying to smooth out the rough edges. By doing this they can absorb the normal American whom also feels a lack of control where their rights and the government are concerned. "Loudmouths" tend to be people who have made a decision and are firmly rooted in their philosophies, very difficult to try and sway. But the doubters, those are the ones his core supporters are targeting. As, I said it is almost a cultish type of movement which is very frightening. Unfortunatley for them, fortunatley for America, they will self destruct. That is to much insanity to keep in check through denial of complicity. I am sorry for the Paul supporters who think the man is the light, he is duping you.

[garlicguy]

Why are you supporting a traitor?

Never have, never will.

But right back at ya':

When are you going to resume taking your Thorazine, Dumpling?:roar:

gg

[Naturalized-Texan]

Never have, never will.

By supporting Ron Paul, you are supporting a traitor. He is clearly giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a time of war, the very definition of treason as contained in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution. You should try looking it up and reading it some time, but I'll save you the trouble:

Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." (Emphasis added)

[garlicguy]

:hah:By supporting Ron Paul, you are supporting a traitor. He is clearly giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a time of war, the very definition of treason as contained in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution. You should try looking it up and reading it some time, but I'll save you the trouble:

Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." (Emphasis added):icon133::icon133::icon133:

Tex:

Even if you copy and paste your pathetic ranting drivel into the threads another 1,000 times (bringing your total up to about 10,000), it will not become true. It is still false and you still need to resume your drug therapy, dude.

But hey! If it makes you happy, you go girl!:biglaugh:

gg :cowboy:

[The_Elucidator]

By supporting Ron Paul, you are supporting a traitor. He is clearly giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a time of war, the very definition of treason as contained in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution. You should try looking it up and reading it some time, but I'll save you the trouble:



Hang it up Tex! Some folks just need a cult to follow; just look how many folks did the flavor-aid plunge with Jim Jones in '78.

[garlicguy]

Hang it up Tex! Some folks just need a cult to follow; just look how many folks did the flavor-aid plunge with Jim Jones in '78.:claps:

Now you're talkin', Luc. Finally starting to use the Force, I guess, eh?http://www.websmileys.com/sm/dressed/bek012.gif

Whew! Close call.
For a while there it looked like you and Tex were about to overdose yourselves on that stuff--> :faint: :bottleplus::thud: Glad you're finally seeing the light.

:halo: gg

[Naturalized-Texan]

Hang it up Tex! Some folks just need a cult to follow; just look how many folks did the flavor-aid plunge with Jim Jones in '78.
I still want to know why the Paul-heads are supporting a traitor. That is a vital question they need to answer to preserve what little sanity they have left. Maybe answering that question honestly will keep them from drinking that poison koolaide.

[d'urville]

PLEASE encourage him to run third party, I'd love to see Hillary rip into him, and she would, because he's more of a threat to her than the GOP nominee to be determined.

But he won't, and he is campaiging on the cheap, and there's a reason for that.

I would see that same statistic as 40% positive approval ratings... which is 3-5 fold over what Bush and Congress currently have.

No, it's not the same, Bush and Congress don't have to directly face voters in less than a month. the same voters that can't stand them.



No, he is not your idea of a Republican. He is very much conservative. But then again, conservatism isn't represented by Republicans anymore so I guess you may have a point.

He's nobody's idea of a conservative, no conservative is EVER opposed to the death penalty for terrorists.


As for the poll... Don't hold one if you don't agree with the results. Every person who was going to vote paid $5. Ron is on the Republican ticket, therefore should be included in a Republican straw poll. Stop whining please.
Missed the point AGAIN.

There was no straw poll for you to rig, thanks to your whining.



Except they weren't acting like Democrats. They were acting like Conservatives at a Republican event. As the years wear on, it looks more and more like that's a taboo thing.

No, the Paulbots were screaming and yelling acting like a moveon group, the Rudy/Fred/Mitt/et al supporters were seated at the table and dressed appropriately for the occassion. You've worn out your welcome.

[Madbomber]

I must say there is almost a cultish undertone to the tactics of the Paul campaign. The twoofers, conspiracy bubbas, the anti establishment nuts, the "disenfranchised" anti war lefties, etc. all have organized under one banner. Their messages are truly anti mainstream and they are trying to smooth out the rough edges. By doing this they can absorb the normal American whom also feels a lack of control where their rights and the government are concerned. "Loudmouths" tend to be people who have made a decision and are firmly rooted in their philosophies, very difficult to try and sway. But the doubters, those are the ones his core supporters are targeting. As, I said it is almost a cultish type of movement which is very frightening. Unfortunatley for them, fortunatley for America, they will self destruct. That is to much insanity to keep in check through denial of complicity. I am sorry for the Paul supporters who think the man is the light, he is duping you.


I know it can seem like that, but what you are encountering is the part of the republican party that normally lets the religious faction of the party do much of the grandstanding/fighting/argueing. Most of the Ron Paul supporters that are orginally republicans (yes I know he draws all types) are of the Fiscal Variety. We are normally content to let the religious branch of the party do the arguing as long as the party towed the line Fiscally. Well the party hasnt, and now you are dealing with people that have just as much fight in them as the religious right and are also pissed at the party. The religious part of the party is not used to this so they consider it cultish or whatever, but the reality is, is that you are dealing with people that have always been there and feel screwed over by the party. We arent just going to sit here and take a bunch of crap like *random liberal 01*. When we are insulted expect an insult back, the fights within a family tend to be the most hateful.

I am all for civil conversation, but Im not going to sit here and be insulted either. I not even if you were god himself.

[Madbomber]

By supporting Ron Paul, you are supporting a traitor. He is clearly giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a time of war, the very definition of treason as contained in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution. You should try looking it up and reading it some time, but I'll save you the trouble:

Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." (Emphasis added)

Hey, mind linking us the Declaration of War from the congress?

[Seabee]

Well the party hasnt, and now you are dealing with people that have just as much fight in them as the religious right and are also pissed at the party.

I am one of those, I no longer consider myself a Republican. I am a Conservative and that is it. I even admit looking into to Paul months and months ago. But I am sorry, when I saw his stances on foreign policy, isolationism, protecting America's interests abroad, etc. I gasped. There is way to much history proving Paul to be an idiot when it comes to isolating America and expecting her to carry on a Free Market economy. It will not work, I know that and I am not even a P.H.D. Then his appearances on Alex Jones and the Twoofer crowd rallying to his sde, this made him like a comic book character to me. The man is not what he seems and as I stated before, you are being duped.

The religious part of the party is not used to this so they consider it cultish or whatever, but the reality is, is that you are dealing with people that have always been there and feel screwed over by the party.

I believe in God, I accept Jesus as my savior who died for my miserable a$$, I believe in the Trinity, etc. but I am not particularly religious. With that in mind, I do not consider it cultish behavior because I am religious. I know cult type behavior when I see it. To many people make the mistake of aligning the definiton of a cult with religion. There are many forms of cultisms: economic, political, self help, counselling, etc. But that is digressing from my point.

We arent just going to sit here and take a bunch of crap like *random liberal 01*.

I am all for a revolution in the Republican party, so I can come home. As an interesting article I read not to long ago stated, " The Repubs need to go back into the forest and figure out who in the heck they are gonna be, time is running short for them." Paul is not the answer. The message that Thompson is carrying is the closest thing to a Burkian Conservative I have seen in years. Respect for the individual and respect for the authoritiy of the State (meaning the Federal Gov.). You have to have both, in order to govern prorperly as a Conservative.

I am all for civil conversation, but Im not going to sit here and be insulted either.

Agreed, you shouldn't. That would actually be quite un-American of you, since we are all genetically predispositioned to a good fight. But I am a great fan of civil discourse with alot of sarcasm. It makes things intersting in my opinion.

[Madbomber]

I am one of those, I no longer consider myself a Republican. I am a Conservative and that is it. I even admit looking into to Paul months and months ago. But I am sorry, when I saw his stances on foreign policy, isolationism, protecting America's interests abroad, etc. I gasped. There is way to much history proving Paul to be an idiot when it comes to isolating America and expecting her to carry on a Free Market economy. It will not work, I know that and I am not even a P.H.D. Then his appearances on Alex Jones and the Twoofer crowd rallying to his sde, this made him like a comic book character to me. The man is not what he seems and as I stated before, you are being duped.



I believe in God, I accept Jesus as my savior who died for my miserable a$$, I believe in the Trinity, etc. but I am not particularly religious. With that in mind, I do not consider it cultish behavior because I am religious. I know cult type behavior when I see it. To many people make the mistake of aligning the definiton of a cult with religion. There are many forms of cultisms: economic, political, self help, counselling, etc. But that is digressing from my point.



I am all for a revolution in the Republican party, so I can come home. As an interesting article I read not to long ago stated, " The Repubs need to go back into the forest and figure out who in the heck they are gonna be, time is running short for them." Paul is not the answer. The message that Thompson is carrying is the closest thing to a Burkian Conservative I have seen in years. Respect for the individual and respect for the authoritiy of the State (meaning the Federal Gov.). You have to have both, in order to govern prorperly as a Conservative.



Agreed, you shouldn't. That would actually be quite un-American of you, since we are all genetically predispositioned to a good fight. But I am a great fan of civil discourse with alot of sarcasm. It makes things intersting in my opinion.


What can I say? I understand where you are at. Ill respectfully disagree with you on Ron Paul. I mostly like him becuase he is honest and that he has a lot of good Ideas, and yes some fruity ones. I also know that some of the more outlandish stuff will never get instituted. I'd Love to be able to send the party a message with him, and I'd love to see him cut government as much as he can get away with.

I dont really agree with you on his Foreign policies. I too Gasped when I saw them, but in a good way. I do not want my tax dollars going all over the world to support people that, in all honesty, should be supporting themselves. Any progress in that area I consider a plus.

In any event, support the candidate that is right for you. I have no problem with that, as long as you dont have a problem with me doing the same. :D


Oh yeah, On Fred, if he comes up with a way to support the war by cutting expenditures, I could live with him too. He just isnt my first choice.

[garlicguy]

I still want to know why the Paul-heads are supporting a traitor.

Tex-
The answer to this totally implausible question is identical to the following question to you: "Why are you still trolling for little boys in public restrooms?"

You answer mine and I'll gladly answer yours.

[Jack_Savage]

Tex-
The answer to this totally implausible question is identical to the following question to you: "Why are you still trolling for little boys in public restrooms?"

You answer mine and I'll gladly answer yours.

You know he can't win, yet you keep bashing other GOP candidates, trying to sell yourself as conservative. Where did the Paul-Pimps come from? Who were they supporting in last years election? What is so frightining about the question????

[The_Elucidator]

:claps:

Now you're talkin', Luc. Finally starting to use the Force, I guess, eh?http://www.websmileys.com/sm/dressed/bek012.gif

Whew! Close call.
For a while there it looked like you and Tex were about to overdose yourselves on that stuff--> :faint: :bottleplus::thud: Glad you're finally seeing the light.

:halo: gg

You're the one hitchin' yer wagon to an old horse that just ate beano... :rotflmbo:

[The_Elucidator]

Hey, mind linking us the Declaration of War from the congress?


Don't do it N-T.... You have already posted that crap a dozen times, make him do his own research! His heart is set on Rupaul!!!

[Naturalized-Texan]

Tex-
The answer to this totally implausible question
Ron Paul has repeatedly voted to surrender to the IslamoFascist terrorists. He has repeatedly aligned himself with the hate-America/pro-terrorist left to undermine our troops fighting to protect him and us from terrorist attacks and in working to secure America's defeat in World War IV - the War on Terror.

When someone gives aid and comfort to our enemies, as Ron Paul has repeatedly, that person is committing treason as defined in Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution.

The question I asked is not only plausible, but is based on provable facts, so I'll ask you again:
Why are you supporting a traitor for president?

[Naturalized-Texan]

Don't do it N-T.... You have already posted that crap a dozen times, make him do his own research! His heart is set on Rupaul!!!
Yep, I sure have, and I've posted it in direct replies to Madbomber. Actually, all he has to do is to look in the Congressional Record for the declaration of war that was passed on September 14, 2001, with only one dissenting vote - a Commie from San Francisco.

[Jack_Savage]

Don't do it N-T.... You have already posted that crap a dozen times, make him do his own research! His heart is set on Rupaul!!!


Rupaul, thats it. Very good.

[garlicguy]

Why are you supporting a traitor for president?

That's easy, Tex.

I believe in the quality of the man. Your particular perspective of branding him a traitor, is meaningless and ill-conceived. Your contempt for his foreign policy and position on ending our MiddleEast involvement is reflective only of what you've been told - no thinking on your part necessary. You have succumbed entirely to the soundbite programing which surrounds you. Your media provided labels mean absolutely nothing, you've 'proven' nothing (beyond your own inability to even attempt to discern the truth for yourself).

Ron Paul is a proven Truth-sayer, which is why he is the object of scorn from the sooth-sayers which include: the MSM, the gang of 535, the Democratic Party Machine and the currently corrupt Republican Party leaders and the financial backers for all the above. More than the man, they fear his message, which is what this 'Revolutionary' campaign is about.

I doubt that you will be able to get your mind around what I've just said, not because you cannot, but because you will not.

So, Tex. I have properly and completely answered your nonsensical question. Further, I have satisfied my own conscience as to the accuracy of the facts as I have them, and they don't fall out of the sky from the RNC. In short, I will still consider all the evidence, REAL EVIDENCE about any and all of the Presidential candidates. It has to be credible and verifiable, and I'm only interested in truly conservative, Constitution-serving candidates of geniune integrity and courage. No neocons, liars, wafflers, CFR members or other elites or royals need apply. M'kay? :biggrin:

[Naturalized-Texan]

So, gg, since you are supporting a traitor that makes you one, also.

BTW, Ron Paul is a proven liar as I have documented here several times, most recently just today in a thread about term limits.

[garlicguy]

So, gg, since you are supporting a traitor that makes you one, also.

BTW, Ron Paul is a proven liar as I have documented here several times, most recently just today in a thread about term limits.

Oh sweetie.

Documented? How long have you labored under the misconception that, because you said it, it actually happened? That words merely exist for you to spin, twist, bend and define to your own liking?

You really need to get reintroduced to reality, Tex. The same one that most of the others on this planet share, not that confusing place where you reside.

Get a new therapist, Tex. Your current one is just bleeding you without any improvement in sight.

[Naturalized-Texan]

That's easy, Tex.

I believe in the quality of the man. Your particular perspective of branding him a traitor, is meaningless and ill-conceived. Your contempt for his foreign policy and position on ending our MiddleEast involvement is reflective only of what you've been told - no thinking on your part necessary. You have succumbed entirely to the soundbite programing which surrounds you. Your media provided labels mean absolutely nothing, you've 'proven' nothing (beyond your own inability to even attempt to discern the truth for yourself).
So, you are ignoring the Constitution of the United States. Thanks for proving that you don't care a diddly squat about the Constitution.

Ron Paul is a proven Truth-sayer, which is why he is the object of scorn from the sooth-sayers which include: the MSM, the gang of 535, the Democratic Party Machine and the currently corrupt Republican Party leaders and the financial backers for all the above. More than the man, they fear his message, which is what this 'Revolutionary' campaign is about.
Ron Paul is a proven liar. Here are a few examples of Ron Paul's lies:

Ron Paul's Lie: Ron Paul claims that he decided not to run for reelection in 1984 because of term limits.
The truth: He was gerrymandered out of office by the Democrat state legislature following the 1980 Census.

Ron Paul's Lie: Reagan paid off Iran to release the Americans being held hostage in the U.S. Embassy in Tehran for more than 400 days.

The truth: It's obvious that he believes in the "October Surprise" in which George H. W. Bush supposedly flew in an SR-71 to Paris in October 1980 to work out an agreement with Iran. The problem with that is that at the very instant he was supposedly in Paris, Bush was making a campaign speech before 5,000 people in Indiana.

Ron Paul's Lie: Reagan supplied arms and funds to Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan when the Afghanis were fighting Soviet troops.

The truth: Reagan supplied arms and funds to the mujihideen fighting in the north (later the Northern Alliance that helped us overthrow the Taliban and drive al Qaeda out of Afghanistan), not to bin Laden in the south. Osama bin laden got all his arms and funds from the Saudis.

Ron Paul's Lie: We are fighting an undeclared war in Iraq.

The truth: There WAS a declaration of war in the War on Terror passed by Congress on September 14, 2001, and Ron Paul voted for it. The Iraq campaign of the War on Terror is as much a part of the War on Terror as the Normandy invasion was part of WW II and it was authorized by that declaration of war that Ron Paul voted for.

Ron Paul's Lie: The Iraq campaign has nothing to do with the War on Terror.

The truth: The Iraq campaign is as much an essential part of the War on Terror - World War IV - as the D-Day Normandy invasion was an essential part of World War II.

Ron Paul's Lie: The Iraq campaign of the War on Terror was interference with the internal affairs of a country that posed no direct threat to the security of the United States.

The truth: Saddam financed, armed, trained, and harbored terrorists, including al Qaeda terrorists, with connections to those terrorists dating back to 1993. Moreover, there is powerful circumstantial evidence that the 9/11 al Qaeda terrorists were trained at Salman Pak, 25 miles south of Baghdad.

I doubt that you will be able to get your mind around what I've just said, not because you cannot, but because you will not.
It's impossible to understand the nonsense you posted above because it is based on Big Lie Propaganda that has victimized you and the other Paul-heads.

So, Tex. I have properly and completely answered your nonsensical question. Further, I have satisfied my own conscience as to the accuracy of the facts as I have them, and they don't fall out of the sky from the RNC. In short, I will still consider all the evidence, REAL EVIDENCE about any and all of the Presidential candidates. It has to be credible and verifiable, and I'm only interested in truly conservative, Constitution-serving candidates of geniune integrity and courage. No neocons, liars, wafflers, CFR members or other elites or royals need apply. M'kay? :biggrin:
BTW, most of claims Ron Paul and you Paul-heads are making about World War IV - the War on Terror - are straight out of the Big Lie Propaganda from the liberal media and left-wing groups like MoveOn.org, Code Pink, the DNC, DailyKos.

You still haven't told us why you are supporting a traitor and a terrorist sympathizer who is undermining our troops, prolonging the war, and has caused the needless deaths of at least 2,000 of our troops.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Oh sweetie.

Documented? How long have you labored under the misconception that, because you said it, it actually happened? That words merely exist for you to spin, twist, bend and define to your own liking?

You really need to get reintroduced to reality, Tex. The same one that most of the others on this planet share, not that confusing place where you reside.

Get a new therapist, Tex. Your current one is just bleeding you without any improvement in sight.
So, you're admitting that you have been brainwashed by the Big Lie Propaganda that Ron Paul puts out. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so easily victimized by his lies.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I guess a better question that the Paulbots need to answer is:

Why do you support a RINO?

Since Ron Paul has aligned himself with hate-America/pro-terrorist leftists like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, John Murtha, Hanoi John Kerry, Cindy Sheehan, Barbra Streisand, Teddy Kennedy, et al., he can no longer be considered a true Republican; a Reagan Republican; a Reagan conservative. Consequently, he is a Republican in Name Only - a RINO.

[jayson]

Since Ron Paul has aligned himself with hate-America/pro-terrorist leftists like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, John Murtha, Hanoi John Kerry, Cindy Sheehan, Barbra Streisand, Teddy Kennedy, et al., he can no longer be considered a true Republican; a Reagan Republican; a Reagan conservative.

Tex, there is a difference between a "liberal" and a "libertarian". Ron is a libertarian.

Reagan was arguably the greatest President in the 20th century, if not the 19th and 20th. But even Reagan said that "the roots of Republicanism is libertarianism". Look it up yourself. A Reagan republican IS a libertarian. A Reagan republican is also the closest to true conservatism in today's political climate.

So perhaps Ron is a TRINO. That is, Today's-Republican in name only. Today's republicans being the ones who don't represent those who elect them, and call our Constitution, "Just a goddamned piece of paper!" (George W. Bush, November 2005)

[jayson]

You still haven't told us why you are supporting a traitor and a terrorist sympathizer who is undermining our troops, prolonging the war, and has caused the needless deaths of at least 2,000 of our troops.

Yet you support a man who lied to us and is responsible for the needless deaths of 4,000 American troops?

We could have taken OBL out with legal bounties (letters of Marque and Reprisal, in other words a legal constitutional bounty), and let companies like Blackwater or other private contractors do the dirty work. If they brought us OBL's head, $1 billion. If they brought him to us alive, $10 billion. Ron Paul brought this forth in Congress after 9/11, but it was not passed. We could have saved ourselves $499,000,000,000 had we done that. Instead, we chose to nation build and invade and occupy. Why do we insist to keep taking the hard path, when a much easier and cheaper one is available?

[d'urville]

They're trying to take over the GOP like they're taking over at any website that gives them half a chance.

I know for a fact, this person knows this is Troofer propoganda:


Today's republicans being the ones who don't represent those who elect them, and call our Constitution, "Just a goddamned piece of paper!" (George W. Bush, November 2005)

Yet another one of the lies they repeat on end. Somebody lurking might actually believe it, they hope. Maybe at dailykos.

[jayson]

They're trying to take over the GOP like they're taking over at any website that gives them half a chance.

Tinfoil hat time! Yeesh... please, this is just sad. "We" aren't taking over anything... "We" are just expressing our opinions. I have repeatedly thanked the administration for allowing us to speak our piece... it shows that they have true integrity.

I know for a fact, this person knows this is Troofer propoganda:

I'm not sure I am connecting the dots here... You are saying that George W. Bush calling the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper" (documented and recorded, this isn't made up), and the fact that Republicans in Congress AREN'T representing the people that voted them in is... somehow... connected to 9/11 truthers? What are you saying exactly?

[d'urville]

Now he's trying go into "dumbass" mode.

Tinfoil hat time! Yeesh... please, this is just sad. "We" aren't taking over anything... "We" are just expressing our opinions. I have repeatedly thanked the administration for allowing us to speak our piece... it shows that they have true integrity.

Well, I'd be grateful too if I had another site to troll and spam lie after lie. You ARE the tinfoil hat crowd.



I'm not sure I am connecting the dots here... You are saying that George W. Bush calling the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper" (documented and recorded, this isn't made up), and the fact that Republicans in Congress AREN'T representing the people that voted them in is... somehow... connected to 9/11 truthers? What are you saying exactly?

What I'm saying is that we both know that quote is a lie, but that's not keeping you from repeating it, of course. It all goes back to "Capitol Hill Blue", the author has admitted he can't verify the quote but that Bush "might as well have said it". These blogs/groups have repeated the lie:

prisonplanet
International Endowment for Democracy
rense
counterpunch
whatreallyhappened
guerrilla news network
dissidentvoice
infowars
homeland stupidity
opednews
susiemandrake
leftcoaster
independent media center

But you knew that, too.

[The_Elucidator]

Yet you support a man who lied to us and is responsible for the needless deaths of 4,000 American troops?


And you wonder why some of us here view you Rupaul supporters with such contempt... Grow up Lib!!!

[Naturalized-Texan]

Yet you support a man who lied to us and is responsible for the needless deaths of 4,000 American troops?

We could have taken OBL out with legal bounties (letters of Marque and Reprisal, in other words a legal constitutional bounty), and let companies like Blackwater or other private contractors do the dirty work. If they brought us OBL's head, $1 billion. If they brought him to us alive, $10 billion. Ron Paul brought this forth in Congress after 9/11, but it was not passed. We could have saved ourselves $499,000,000,000 had we done that. Instead, we chose to nation build and invade and occupy. Why do we insist to keep taking the hard path, when a much easier and cheaper one is available?:trollhook:
Thanks for proving that you are a hate-America/pro-terrorist troll who has been brainwashed by left-wing media Big Lie Propaganda. You are so ignorant of world affairs that you don't even realize that you are parroting leftist Big Lies.
:trollhook:

[jayson]

Thanks for proving that you are a hate-America/pro-terrorist troll who has been brainwashed by left-wing media Big Lie Propaganda.

I think this would make for a great drinking game. Every time I hear that line, I will take a shot of Jack Daniels.

Unfortunately, I will very likely and quickly meet my maker by way of alcohol poisoning. :cheers:

[d'urville]

Not so fast, asshat. You said:

Today's republicans being the ones who don't represent those who elect them, and call our Constitution, "Just a goddamned piece of paper!" (George W. Bush, November 2005)

Then you said:

You are saying that George W. Bush calling the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper" (documented and recorded, this isn't made up),


Trying to change the topic isn't going to work. Document and record your quote or retract it.

[The_Elucidator]

Today's republicans being the ones who don't represent those who elect them, and call our Constitution, "Just a goddamned piece of paper!" (George W. Bush, November 2005)

Oh yeah, those "unnamed" sources... :rolleyes:

[mkafrica]

We could have taken OBL out with legal bounties (letters of Marque and Reprisal, in other words a legal constitutional bounty), and let companies like Blackwater or other private contractors do the dirty work.

I don't really know whether or not this would work, but you could make it into a televised event. Kind of like "Amazing Race" or the like.

[Seabee]

Ron Paul brought this forth in Congress after 9/11, but it was not passed. We could have saved ourselves $499,000,000,000 had we done that. Instead, we chose to nation build and invade and occupy. Why do we insist to keep taking the hard path, when a much easier and cheaper one is available?

Oh really??? Well here is a little list of the 2008 mandatory and discretionary spending for fy2008.

Mandatory spending: $1.527 trillion (+4.2%)

$608 billion (+4.5%) - Social Security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_%28United_States%29)
$386 billion (+5.2%) - Medicare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_%28United_States%29)
$209 billion (+5.6%) - Medicaid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid) and SCHIP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCHIP)
$324.0 billion (+1.8%) - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spendingDiscretionary spending: $1.114 trillion (+3.1%)

$481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense)
$145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_War_on_Terror)
$69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Human_Services)
$56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education)
$39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Veterans_Affairs)
$35.2 billion (+1.4%) - Housing and Urban Development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_and_Urban_Development)
$35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
$34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Homeland_Security)
$24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Department_of_Energy)
$20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Administration of justice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice)
$20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Agriculture)
$17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Aeronautics_and_Space_Administration)
$12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Transportation)
$12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Treasury)
$10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_the_Interior)
$10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Labor)
$51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
$39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary SpendingReason that SSI, DOD, and GWOT are highlighted is for comparison. This is a question I have long raised, why does SSI require just $18.6 billion less than the combined cost of the DOD and the GWOT. Yet all you Paulites can complain about is the GWOT??? Man, wake the hell up. Mandatory spending and the mismanagement of these funds is the greatest problem this country has fiscally. Even with the 12.1% increase in the DOD and 45.8% increase in the GWOT, it just barely overshadows the needs of SSI. WTF?

[jayson]

Even with the 12.1% increase in the DOD and 45.8% increase in the GWOT, it just barely overshadows the needs of SSI. WTF?

Yep, so let's stop the War on Terror and phase out SSI, which is surely going to bankrupt us faster than all of the other rampant spending and pork combined.

[Seabee]

I think you missed the point. These proggies are in place for a reason and there needs to be return to fiscal responsibility. It is so easy for Americans to want to eliminate what they view as a problem rather than being "smart and realistic" about how to solve the problems that are at hand. You think if we stop funding the GWOT and elimnate SSI problem solve eh? C'mon man quit being so naive. Let's not take care of old folks who can use the money and let's just ignore the terrorists cause it is our fault they are radicals and want to destroy us. Jeebeezus, are you guys listening to yourselves? Here is a new concept, hows about accountablity and proper management of tax money? Wow, how rEVOLutionary, eh? Maybe I should run for President.

[jayson]

Here is a new concept, hows about accountablity and proper management of tax money? Wow, how rEVOLutionary, eh? Maybe I should run for President.

No one will be getting any social security in 32 years at this rate, anyway. Why not try and take the problem out at its root while we have the ways and means to?

[d'urville]

Yep, so let's stop the War on Terror and phase out SSI, which is surely going to bankrupt us faster than all of the other rampant spending and pork combined.

Or let's make sure "we" post our Ron Paul propoganda in a sticky. Third time:



Today's republicans being the ones who don't represent those who elect them, and call our Constitution, "Just a goddamned piece of paper!" (George W. Bush, November 2005)


Documentation? Let me help ya out a little, more breaking news from the RuPaul campaign:


WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17153378/) has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, "White Pride World Wide." The site welcomes postings to the "Stormfront White Nationalist Community."

"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22331091/

A novel way to spread a message of freedom, to say the least.

[Seabee]

No one will be getting any social security in 32 years at this rate, anyway. Why not try and take the problem out at its root while we have the ways and means to?

We also have the capability of fixing it right now. Along with many of the other problems America is having. You and the rest of the "now" culture need to realize in order to save this country amputating parts of the government is the quick and easy fix and will do more harm than good. It is about as assinine as throwing money at the problem.