An interesting read (Ron Paul)

[Madbomber]

This is an interesting read from a Jew on Ron Paul and his take on Isreal.

Enjoy:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=921350&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1

[d'urville]

What's there to "enjoy"? His constant "America's fault" mantra?

But, in a way, you're right, RuPaul doesn't "single out" Israel. From your article, this bash-America rhetoric:

He repeatedly stated (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin412.htm) that "he did not believe that we do Israel any favors and we actually weaken Israel by our constant meddling and intervention." On the issue of foreign aid, his supporters are right when they say that by no means he would single out Israel. Paul opposes American aid and alignment with Israel, and even blames it for attracting terrorist attacks, but says the same thing about American involvement with the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

is just like his latest on another country - he "explained":


Let's start with Congressman John Paul -- Ron Paul, sorry.

PAUL: Well, he's not the easiest person to deal with, but we
should deal with everybody around the world the same way: with
friendship and opportunity to talk and try to trade with people.

(AUDIENCE BOOING)

PAUL: We talked to -- we talked to Stalin, we talked to
Khrushchev, we've talked to Mao, and we've talked to the world, and we
get along with people.

PAUL: Actually, I believe we're at a time where we even ought to
talk to Cuba and trade and travel to Cuba.

(AUDIENCE BOOING)

(APPLAUSE)
But let me -- let me tell you -- let me tell you why -- let me
tell you why we have a problem in South America and Central America:
because we've been involved in their internal affairs for so long. We
have been meddling in their business.

(APPLAUSE)

We create the Chavezes of the world, we create the Castros of the
world by interfering and creating chaos in their countries, and they
respond by throwing out their leader.



LINK (http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/991cc1aa-b60f-421b-b3da-51592fe3cec2)

Sounds Dennis to me.

[Madbomber]

Do you have a point?

[Jack_Savage]

This is an interesting read from a Jew on Ron Paul and his take on Isreal.

I didn't think it was interesting. Sounded more like the groping to be accepted stuff you usually post.

[d'urville]

Guess I was too subtle....their programming is in an unfamiliar language...

Do you have a point?

Yes. That he doesn't single Israel out, he blames his own country for ALL of the world's problems. In other words, he is an overall ass on foreign policy.

[jayson]

That he doesn't single Israel out, he blames his own country for ALL of the world's problems. In other words, he is an overall ass on foreign policy.

I love these types of comments... because they are just wrong on so many levels. You, sir, are intentionally spreading misinformation. How can you say he believes that America is at fault for ALL of the world's problems? That's asinine.

We are responsible for the problems that we created. The American government has plenty of skeletons in its closet. Don't act like we have done no wrong.

The difference between people like Michael Moore and myself is that they tend to say "America has done this this and this wrong". I say, we have done those wrong, so let's move to correct the problems. As a doctor, if you make a wrong diagnosis and start treating the patient for something he doesn't have, only to realize it six months later... you certainly don't keep giving him the wrong treatment. You correct your mistakes. Why are we so hesitant to correct our mistakes?

[d'urville]

They ALL sounds just the same. Just like the liberals they are, they try to accuse you of doing exactly what they're doing. But Paulbots suck even at the semantic game.

I love these types of comments... because they are just wrong on so many levels. You, sir, are intentionally spreading misinformation. How can you say he believes that America is at fault for ALL of the world's problems? That's asinine.


What's the "misinformation"? These are his own asinine words:

let me tell you why we have a problem in South America and Central America:

because we've been involved in their internal affairs for so long. We
have been meddling in their business.


Paul opposes American aid and alignment with Israel, and even blames it for attracting terrorist attacks, but says the same thing about American involvement with the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt.


Oh, and it is an isolationist policy and Jefferson never was even a "non-interventionist", which to a Paulbot spammer means a isolationist who likes to talk.

Lubbock's right. you're just here to spead as much pro-RuPaul propoganda as you can. From your own nest:

It's the ninety-nine percent who lurk that we want to reach, not the neocon you're arguing with....

That's what you're doing here, but you're never going to be able to sell THAT product. You've got your own little subforum to post your propoganda now, maybe all you should have been banned a la GOPUSA or freerep instead.

[jayson]

But Paulbots suck even at the semantic game.

That's good news to hear, because I am not playing any games. I am expressing my opinions. That's as deep as the "conspiracy" goes.

What's the "misinformation"? These are his own asinine words:

How did you arrive at the conclusion of "ALL the world's problems" when he mentions 3 countries, and Central/South America? You must have one crazy idea about world geography!

And honestly, the Monroe Doctrine has pissed off a LOT of our southern neighbors. Don't believe me? Ask them in person and see what response you get.

As for Israel/Egypt/Saudi Arabia, that's a discussion for another time. But you have to remember that when you make an entangling alliance with one, you invariably make an enemy with another. It's that simple.

Oh, and it is an isolationist policy and Jefferson never was even a "non-interventionist", which to a Paulbot spammer means a isolationist who likes to talk.

You seem to be confused. An isolationist is someone who wants to cut all contact and interaction. Japan was a true form of isolationism at the turn of the century. Ron is advocating that we talk to countries, trade with them, allow travel and lift sanctions. You make much better friends when you trade money and not bullets or threats. How is that isolationism? It's not.

Lubbock's right. you're just here to spead as much pro-RuPaul propoganda as you can.

As I have said before, had those been my intentions, there were much more efficient means to do so. Why would I waste my time here getting the message out to a handful of people, when I could be reaching so many more with less effort? Sorry, I guess reality just isn't as dramatic as you are hoping it to be.

[d'urville]

Even Hispanics booed him at a Republican debate, give them credit for that.

That's good news to hear, because I am not playing any games. I am expressing my opinions. That's as deep as the "conspiracy" goes.

You're here to post pro-RuPaul propoganda.



How did you arrive at the conclusion of "ALL the world's problems" when he mentions 3 countries, and Central/South America? You must have one crazy idea about world geography!

Poll your guru about about every country of the world, and he'll start babbling "blowback". It was by induction, but I see they didn't brief you properly again.

Libertarian Ron Paul publicly blames ALL problems of 3 countries and Central/South Anerica on this country.

Does that work better for you? And don't forget the "lurkers" you're trying to reach.



As I have said before, had those been my intentions, there were much more efficient means to do so. Why would I waste my time here getting the message out to a handful of people, when I could be reaching so many more with less effort? Sorry, I guess reality just isn't as dramatic as you are hoping it to be.

It is amateur hour.

We got your message, and it sucks. He's a blame-America isolationist that calls Rudy Giuliani a "facist". Look who the real facists support.

Why would any anti-big government proponent try to use a blimp as a campaign tool? You make Dean's people three years ago look like pros.