Paul keeps white supremacist donation

[Suzie]

Paul keeps white supremacist donation (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071220/ap_on_el_pr/ron_paul_white_supremacist;_ylt=Ap_.._GsEkKn5hTQTs wYRyuM5QcF) AP - Wed Dec 19, 8:06 PM ET WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

[Sarah]

He should take the $500 bucks and donate it to LULAC or something. lol

[Reagan Knight]

What's wrong with him keeping the money? It isn't a crime to be a white supremacist.

[Naturalized-Texan]

What's wrong with him keeping the money? It isn't a crime to be a white supremacist.
Maybe it isn't a crime, but accepting and keeping that donation from a white supremacist certainly disqualifies Ron Paul from any consideration as a candidate for any position higher than dog catcher or trash collector.

[PaulRevere]

I saw him pass it off as nothing important in his justification for not returning it, then he made a good counter-argument, noting that corporate donations influence votes in Congress and the presidency (he could have included Soros and Moveon.org, etc leftwing nutjobs), and that the white supremast gave money because he liked aspects of Paul's message - low taxes, limited govt, etc., and that the supremacist's opinions would have no influence on a Ron Paul presidency, which is NOT something that recipients of lobbyist/activist donations can say.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I saw him pass it off as nothing important in his justification for not returning it, then he made a good counter-argument, noting that corporate donations influence votes in Congress and the presidency (he could have included Soros and Moveon.org, etc leftwing nutjobs), and that the white supremast gave money because he liked aspects of Paul's message - low taxes, limited govt, etc., and that the supremacist's opinions would have no influence on a Ron Paul presidency, which is something that recipients of lobbyist/activist donations can say.
But it's a sure bet that Soros and MoveOn.org, as well as Code Pink and other hate-America left-wing groups and individuals are cranking donations into Ron Paul's campaign.

[buckeyepete]

Hell, let him siphon denaro from both sides. It won't do him a damn bit of good.

As a matter of fact, let that piece of shit give me $500. I'll take it in a heart beat.

[d'urville]

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulDonBlack.jpg



"Dr. Paul" posing with two of his supporters, just over three months ago. From lgf:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&only

[jayson]

"Dr. Paul" posing with two of his supporters, just over three months ago. From lgf:

*yawn*

So let me get this straight... not only should he assemble a team to run background checks on every person who makes a donation, but... He now needs social security numbers, bank account numbers, drivers license numbers, two forms of ID, criminal background checks, outstanding warrant checks and a a mother's maiden name for the random joe who comes up for a photo op?

Sweet Jesus do you realize how looney you sound?

I'm sure this will shock you to the core, but even white supremacists can love their country. Ron's message resonates with folks of every color and creed... Limited federal government, lower taxes, etc., etc... And as Ron said, the supporters come to him, not the other way around. A lot of people can appreciate Ron's message, no matter what their background. Just because these particular people are bigoted assholes, doesn't mean for an instant that Ron is going to start marching around with a "White Pride" tattoo on his forehead. Grow up.

And please... do you really want me to bring up my argument again? How Bush received thousands of votes from white supremacists, confederate secessionists, racists, bigots and Christian zealots?

[Jack_Savage]

But it's a sure bet that Soros and MoveOn.org, as well as Code Pink and other hate-America left-wing groups and individuals are cranking donations into Ron Paul's campaign.

I have to second that assessment. He is a Code Pinker's dream. :claps:

[d'urville]

So let me get this straight... not only should he assemble a team to run background checks on every person who makes a donation, but... He now needs social security numbers, bank account numbers, drivers license numbers, two forms of ID, criminal background checks, outstanding warrant checks and a a mother's maiden name for the random joe who comes up for a photo op?


No, that's what you said in a bad attempt at hyperbole.

* This only happened three months ago.
* Everybody is always screened at these events.
* Don Black is NOT a "random joe".

Sweet Jesus do you realize how looney you sound?

Heh. But those were your words.

And please... do you really want me to bring up my argument again? How Bush received thousands of votes from white supremacists, confederate secessionists, racists, bigots and Christian zealots?

Since you asked, what I want you do is to finally document that quote.

For your talking points, here ya go:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-revolution-live-blimpvision-388512.html

In the meantime, find me a picture of Bush with Don Black. Or anybody else, besides Ron Paul.

[Seabee]

He now needs social security numbers, bank account numbers, drivers license numbers, two forms of ID, criminal background checks, outstanding warrant checks and a a mother's maiden name for the random joe who comes up for a photo op?

Oh get over it, no one here is griping about a White Supremacist donating money to RuPaul. They are bitching about the fact he kept it after it was pointed out where the money came from. A responsible candidate would disavow any relationship with a known racist. Keeping the money after he knew who it was from is highly suspicious about his realtionship with these people and extremely irresponsible for a man who supposedly loves what the Constitution stands for. These people are directly opposite of what the Constitution stands for. RuPaul is advocating their movement by still accepting their money and totally losing any credibility for his message and himself.

I'm sure this will shock you to the core, but even white supremacists can love their country.

Sweet Jeebeezus do you realize how looney you freaking sound????

Ron's message resonates with folks of every color and creed... Limited federal government, lower taxes, etc., etc...

Yeah I am sure the Brothers just love the fact that they could be lumped in with a White Power group. Yup, I can see it now, they will just sit by the campfire singing Kumbya and discussing life without the IRS. Holy Shiite, I want some of what you are smoking.

And as Ron said, the supporters come to him, not the other way around. A lot of people can appreciate Ron's message, no matter what their background. Just because these particular people are bigoted assholes, doesn't mean for an instant that Ron is going to start marching around with a "White Pride" tattoo on his forehead. Grow up.

Grow Up??? LMAO, do you not evere get tired of making excuses for this whack job? Does he have you all that badly duped? My God I thought that "Disenfranchised Liberals" were nuts, "Disenfranchised Repubs" are just as bad.

And please... do you really want me to bring up my argument again? How Bush received thousands of votes from white supremacists, confederate secessionists, racists, bigots and Christian zealots?

What arguement? You act like this lame attempt is somehow a thought provoking assertion. Hell, I don't even like Bush and I will gladly field this one on his behalf. Please, give me the pic, the audio, the vid, or whatever of Bush ever claiming that he wanted their support, that he knew they were donating, or voting for him. Please, Please, Please. I will shred that crap faster than a CBS source. RuPaul wants support from twoofers, Nazis, conspiracy nuts, anti war lefties, greenies, etc. They all have one thing in common, they are easily controlled and easily led to the kool aid. Dude, you and your buds here really need to rethink your positions about RuPaul cause as I have said before you are being duped.

[jayson]

These people are directly opposite of what the Constitution stands for. RuPaul is advocating their movement by still accepting their money and totally losing any credibility for his message and himself.

First and foremost... yes, I agree. "All men created equal". However, the first amendment was designed not to protect palatable speech. That's the real root of the issue. I obviously can't answer for Ron on this, but to me personally, I find what they say disgusting and wrong. But I have no right whatsoever to tell them not to say those things. I can disapprove, I can claim the moral high ground, I can denounce. But the Constitution was very clear that we as a people have no right to limit what other's say. (Disregarding extenuating circumstances a la "Fire!" in a theater, etc., etc.)

Sweet Jeebeezus do you realize how looney you freaking sound????Just because they are rabid bigots doesn't necessarily mean they hate America. I really don't understand how this is so hard for someone to understand. While they have a terribly jaded view of what America SHOULD be, by and large they are more patriotic than many liberals.

And before this is blown out of context, I am in no way shape or form supporting or defending these people. Now that that is cleared up...

LMAO, do you not evere get tired of making excuses for this whack job?

No, I get tired of trying to fix all the misinformation and slander.

Please, give me the pic, the audio, the vid, or whatever of Bush ever claiming that he wanted their support, that he knew they were donating, or voting for him.

In both 2000 and 2004, these same groups undoubtedly voted for Bush. Do you honestly think the grand majority of the white supremacists who voted, would have voted for Kerry or Gore?

My broader point was not using that as an "excuse" however... my point was that it is a lame and futile way to assassinate someone's character. You say Ron is getting support from these groups... Fair enough. Bush did too. That's all I'm saying... and you balk at the idea. Now do you see why I balk at the idea?

Because it's for the same reason. These groups are so fringe and small compared to the vast movement that is going on in America... the movement that is gathering behind Ron Paul... that to insinuate that Ron represents fascists and bigots is downright silly.

[DesertFox]

He now needs social security numbers, bank account numbers, drivers license numbers, two forms of ID, criminal background checks, outstanding warrant checks and a a mother's maiden name for the random joe who comes up for a photo op?Also a note from his mother.

[Seabee]

Just because they are rabid bigots doesn't necessarily mean they hate America. I really don't understand how this is so hard for someone to understand. While they have a terribly jaded view of what America SHOULD be, by and large they are more patriotic than many liberals.

How many dealings have you actually had with White Supremacists? Cause Bubba, they are more than just bigots. They hate the very core of this country. There is more in their agenda than just bigotry, they hate anything that supports Jews, Blacks, Catholics, Spanish, etc. What supports these groups? The United States government and mainstream America. Hell they would love to put one between my eyes for serving in the military. You need to do a little research into the Aryans, KKK, Neo Nazis, and their like before you go spouting off they are patriots, because they are worse than Lieberals.

And before this is blown out of context, I am in no way shape or form supporting or defending these people. Now that that is cleared up...

There is no blowing this out of context, you are severly misguided in your assertion.

No, I get tired of trying to fix all the misinformation and slander.

This is not slander it is proven fact.

Do you honestly think the grand majority of the white supremacists who voted, would have voted for Kerry or Gore?

Nope I don't think many of them care, nor do I think many of them voted.

That's all I'm saying... and you balk at the idea. Now do you see why I balk at the idea?

How did I balk at the idea? My arguement is not that RuPaul got money or support from Nazis. It is his iresponsibility of not disavowing them and moving as far from their platform as he could. But he has not. Also, if Bush had gotten open support from these types of people I guarantee he would have publically renounced their movement and given the money back.

[The_Elucidator]

jayson - you really need to stop an take a breath!!! You really need to go back and read some of the crazy crap you just posted. If you think conservatives are rabid in throwing this in Paul's face, what in the heck do you think the Clinton camp would do.

I am actually glad that he isn't distancing himself from this, because if he does run third party, he will get slaughtered by both parties. There will be so many 527 ads showing his picture with a known bigot that by the time Nov '08 rolls around, he will be the second coming of Hitler... Which we all know will throw Madbomber into an orgasm.

[4Hydroxytryptamine]

There is already a thread about this. What's better, is the other thread has a video of Paul's response, so there's no need to defend him.

[Wyatt_Junker]

The Paul schtick reminds me of Morton Downey Jr. in 1989 when he was sucking down Pall Malls so fast that a 2 inch stalagmite of white ash dangled off the end. It was at that point, after all the spit had dried on Downey's lower lip, that I marveled how that ash cylinder didn't fall off the end of his Pall Mall.

Later, Downey would use duct tape to roll his ciggies in order to keep the ash intact. Then when he sucked those cigs all the way down to his finger tips, he could just keep sucking 'em until he was inhaling the adhesive. Beautiful.

If only the man with two first names, Ron & Paul, smoked. The entertainment value alone would be worth a donation then. Especially after getting hit with a chair from a kay kay kayer on raucous night. Spike TV could pick up that channel and put it on after a little action in the cage.

[jayson]

jayson - you really need to stop an take a breath!!! You really need to go back and read some of the crazy crap you just posted. If you think conservatives are rabid in throwing this in Paul's face, what in the heck do you think the Clinton camp would do.

I am actually glad that he isn't distancing himself from this, because if he does run third party, he will get slaughtered by both parties. There will be so many 527 ads showing his picture with a known bigot that by the time Nov '08 rolls around, he will be the second coming of Hitler... Which we all know will throw Madbomber into an orgasm.

OK. I have calmed down a bit and realized that I may have posted a few things in haste without much review as to what I really said.

That being said, let me clarify my position on this matter:

1) I do not in any way support groups like Stormfront. I find their ideology sick and twisted. That being said, I have no right to silence what they say so long as it is within the law. And even then, it is the law's responsibility and not mine.

2) I can't answer for RP on the issue, however, I think before we jump to conclusions, we should find out more information. For example, was this an event that Ron Paul planned? Or is this an event Ron Paul attended? If it is the latter, that could explain why he didn't know a white supremacist was in the crowd.

As for the assertion by d'urville that everybody knows Don Black... I only found out who he was yesterday when he posted a link. I never knew about the guy, nor what he looked like for that matter.

Rather than jumping to conclusions, I would like to hear the details about this encounter before I would make any further decisions.

[jayson]

After some research this morning, here is more information that I have dug up:


Regarding Don Black, Stormfront, and the $500 donation:

"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday. "We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.

Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hp_7eNYJJfvcUXW2po0M40ePbMeQD8TKRLCG0


Video of Ron Paul denouncing neo-nazi type groups and the donations they send:

PBS Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UBMO9XPec
Fox News Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPhrqllHzY

[Naturalized-Texan]

When I attended the Draft Goldwater Rally in the Washington, DC, National Guard Armory on July 4, 1963, the white supremacist American Nazi Party picketed outside the Armory carrying racist signs like the one that read: "Barry Goldwasser, Jew Race Mixer." By welcoming the support of today's white supremacists, Ron Paul reminds me of those Nazis.

[Jack_Savage]

When I attended the Draft Goldwater Rally in the Washington, DC, National Guard Armory on July 4, 1963, the white supremacist American Nazi Party picketed outside the Armory carrying racist signs like the one that read: "Barry Goldwasser, Jew Race Mixer." By welcoming the support of today's white supremacists, Ron Paul reminds me of those Nazis.

He is reminding the world of those NeoNazi's. They probably have a lind on his web page. I wonder how Israel and there intel support people view Ron Paul and his supporters?

[jayson]

]I wonder how Israel and there intel support people view Ron Paul and his supporters?

Probably fairly supportive... since what Ron advocates would free up Israel to act how she wishes. Of course the foreign aid would be gone, but they wouldn't have to have permission from us to do what needs to be done. With the way it works now, we are hurting Israel more than we are helping her with all these meaningless "road maps to peace" and similar bologna that we force them to take part in.

[d'urville]

Yet he stands by that old Bush quote that moonbat admittedly lied about.

Forget him, it's time to go directly to the source and ask the Nazi:


Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists

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Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party


Then all the Neo-Nazis and skinheads start arguing with each other - seems that there's a fracture between the Troofers and the old school skinheads:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682

[The_Elucidator]

Not really surprised at all...

[HarvickFan29]

With the way it works now, we are hurting Israel more than we are helping her with all these meaningless "road maps to peace" and similar bologna that we force them to take part in.

To have true "peace talks" there would need to be people brought to the table who really want peace.

[HarvickFan29]

Maybe it isn't a crime, but accepting and keeping that donation from a white supremacist certainly disqualifies Ron Paul from any consideration as a candidate for any position higher than dog catcher or trash collector.

You mean he has a chance at either of those?

I suggest that he go back to delivering babies. It's the best thing he has to offer the public, IMO.

[PaulRevere]

Also a note from his mother.
And a warrant from the FISA court.