Ron Paul excluded from debate? Not exactly

[DoctorDoom]

Ron Paul is steamed about being excluded from a New Hampshire debate scheduled to be televised by Fox News.

"They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said of Fox News Network. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

[snip]

There is no New Hampshire GOP presidential debate scheduled for Jan. 6. The event was officially canceled three weeks ago. Ron Paul was, indeed, invited, but never committed to attending before the event was canceled because of the close proximity with the ABC event.Ron Paul excluded from debate? Not exactly (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59442)

Again Paul demonstrates what a sleazy liar he is. But the kneejerk (or just plain jerk) Paulbots will continue to worship the water he walks on.

[THEBIRD]

Right....the debate was cancelled.....but this is not about a debate. Its being called a roundtable forum.

Either way....how does this make him a liar?

[DoctorDoom]

"They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said of Fox News Network. ... Ron Paul was, indeed, invited, but never committed to attending before the event ...Did you sleep through Reading Comprehension? He is bitching that Fox was censoiring him, but the asshole never responded to the invitation to attend. He says he was not invited. He was. That makes him a liar.

[Naturalized-Texan]

That makes him a liar.
No surprise there. Ron Paul is as much a pathological liar as BJ Clinton is.

[The_Elucidator]

Right....the debate was cancelled.....but this is not about a debate. Its being called a roundtable forum.

Either way....how does this make him a liar?

Parsing words to hide your complete lack of integrity.... typical!! Rupaul and his supporters are taking a page right out of Goebbels propaganda handbook!! :rolleyes: Using lies and half-truths to stir up the masses of fools.

[DoctorDoom]

... (T)his is not about a debate. Its being called a roundtable forum.And RuPaul is not lying. He is reinventing the truth.

[Justaguy]

Fox Affiliate KPTM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCAYRWIcPKQ&eurl=http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/index.html)

Now... is he excluded or not?

But hey, don't let the facts slow you down.

The good news is that they do mention Fred Thompson at the end of the segment. LOL!!!!

[THEBIRD]

He is still being excluded. The NH GOP is now blaming Fox and saying its up to them.

There is an update on the front page of Pauls website about this topic.

[Justaguy]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: December 31, 2007
Contact: Fergus Cullen, Chairman, New Hampshire Republican Party
NH REPUBLICANS: DON’T LIMIT DEBATE PARTICIPANTS
CONCORD – New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:
“Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate – not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.”
“Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.”
“The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.”

[DoctorDoom]

Update: I have no qualms about corrections when necessary.

Contrary to earlier reports, the Fox News Channel is hosting a Republican presidential candidate forum in New Hampshire, and, so far, Rep. Ron Paul has not been invited.

WND previously reported the event was canceled three weeks ago, but New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen confirmed today the forum is scheduled for Jan. 6.

The New Hampshire GOP is co-sponsoring the event, to be held at St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H., just two days before the crucial primary.Ron Paul not invited to Fox News forum (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59469)

[Justaguy]

Update: I have no qualms about corrections when necessary.


My hat's off to you. Most folks don't have the moral courage to admit mistakes.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Why should anyone give a traitor like Ron Paul a forum to spew his hate-America venom?

[Justaguy]

Why should anyone give a traitor like Ron Paul a forum to spew his hate-America rhetoric?

Hey! Speaking of most folks... How ya doing Tex?

[DoctorDoom]

My hat's off to you. Most folks don't have the moral courage to admit mistakes.It wasn't a mistake. It was a correction based on new information. However, I have no problem with correcting errors on the extremely rare occasions when I commit them. E.g., on June 19, 1963, I was certain that I wrong about something, but I was mistaken, and I admitted it.

[Naturalized-Texan]

No one answered my question, so I'll ask it again:

Why should anyone give a traitor like Ron Paul a forum to spew his hate-America venom?

[DoctorDoom]

Why should anyone give a traitor like Ron Paul a forum to spew his hate-America venom?Uhh ... er ... ummm ... ah ... let me think sbout that ... hmmmmm ... just a minute .... well ... I can't think of one even passably good reason.

[Justaguy]

No one answered my question, so I'll ask it again:

Why should anyone give a traitor like Ron Paul a forum to spew his hate-America venom?

First ammendment... look it up... It'll be a new experience for you.

Oh... and before try that crap about "network is private property" FCC. Network is. Airwaves aren't. Don't use the airwaves, do what you want.

[Justaguy]

Uhh ... er ... ummm ... ah ... let me think sbout that ... hmmmmm ... just a minute .... well ... I can't think of one even passably good reason.

No surprise there. That thinking thing really just doesn't work for you, does it?

[sunsettommy]

First ammendment... look it up... It'll be a new experience for you.

Oh... and before try that crap about "network is private property" FCC. Network is. Airwaves aren't. Don't use the airwaves, do what you want.

LOL,

You are being evasive.

I have noted that in several forums.A cadre of Ron Paul supporters are being told to control themselves.I have seen it here too.It seems that they sell their man too much.To the point of being obnoxious.

I suggest that you do not fall in the trap of making a bunch evasive replies and wear out your welcome.Ron Paul has already worn out his welcome for his hate gibberish.

I actually liked part of his platform.But his Foreign Policy mutterings are simply insane.He wants to just drop everything and run ALL the troops home RIGHT AWAY!

That is a major reason why he is low in the polls and why he is disliked in many forums.

[sunsettommy]

No one answered my question, so I'll ask it again:

Why should anyone give a traitor like Ron Paul a forum to spew his hate-America venom?

Ok I will do something justaguy apparently will not do.

Make a reply.

I am American who wants a good leader who will UPHOLD the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

This means a leader who loves America.A leader who will fight to support the average American in their pursuit of liberty and justice and of course happiness.

Therefore someone like Ron Paul who is bashing America to bugger off the stage and shut up.He does not love America.

[Naturalized-Texan]

First ammendment... look it up... It'll be a new experience for you.

Oh... and before try that crap about "network is private property" FCC. Network is. Airwaves aren't. Don't use the airwaves, do what you want.
Thanks for proving that you are also ignorant of the Constitution. The First Amendment does not apply in this case. Read it and weep:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (Emphasis added)

FNC and ABC are not Congress. They have the right to invite or exclude anyone they please. For someone who supports a candidate who supposedly wants to restore the Constitution to its original meaning, you certainly should understand the original meaning of the First Amendment. If you had ever read the Constitution, you would know that the First Amendment does not apply in this case.

They made the correct decision to exclude 3rd tier candidates who are not viable and/or are not serious like Ron Paul.

[DoctorDoom]

No surprise there. That thinking thing really just doesn't work for you, does it?Gawlee, y'all shor is clever. Didja thank that up all by y'self, or did yer tutor write it fer ya?

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[DoctorDoom]

I suggest that you do not fall in the trap of making a bunch evasive replies and wear out your welcome.He wore that out a long time ago. He shows up here occasionally, and makes a fool of himself. We tolerate him because he is a mildly amusing diversion from reality on otherwise slow days.

[Naturalized-Texan]

TV cuts candidates from debates, angering Paulbots (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/31/debate.limits.ap/index.html)

ABC and Fox News Channel are narrowing the field of presidential candidates invited to debates this weekend just before the New Hampshire primary, in Fox's case infuriating supporters of Republican Rep. Ron Paul.

..................

Fox, meanwhile, has invited five GOP candidates to a forum with Chris Wallace scheduled for its mobile studio in New Hampshire on Sunday. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee received invites, leaving Paul of Texas and Rep. Duncan Hunter of California on the sidelines.

The network said it had limited space in its studio -- a souped-up bus -- and that it invited candidates who had received double-digit support in recent polls.

In a nationwide poll conducted December 14-20 by The Associated Press and Yahoo, Thompson had the support of 11 percent of GOP voters and Paul was at 3 percent.

[DoctorDoom]

Oh... and before try that crap about "network is private property" FCC. Network is. Airwaves aren't. Don't use the airwaves, do what you want.Great thinking, Einstein.

As long as the users of the "airwaves" are not violating the law, they can do what they damned well please with their connection to the "airwaves". And if Fox wants to tell RuPaul that he is not welcome, they have every right as a private company to do so.

Doubtless you're one of those liberal arseholes who feels (liberals don't think) that the "Fairness Doctrine" is a good thing.

[sunsettommy]

TV cuts candidates from debates, angering Paulbots (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/31/debate.limits.ap/index.html)

It makes sense to begin pruning out the chaff from the grain.

The ones at the debate has to further the ripening process of the relevant grain they are developing.

Ron Paul has ergot of his grain.

[Justaguy]

Great thinking, Einstein.

As long as the users of the "airwaves" are not violating the law, they can do what they damned well please with their connection to the "airwaves".

That's kinda the whole point isn't it.

Now what is the law... I know you're asking your self...

Let's try this one:


TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION

CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED)

PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents

Subpart H_Rules Applicable to All Broadcast Stations


Sec. 73.1001 Scope.

(a) The rules in this subpart are common to all AM, FM, TV and Class
A TV broadcast services, commercial and noncommercial.
(b) Rules in part 73 applying exclusively to a particular broadcast
service are contained in the following: AM, subpart A; FM, subpart B;
Noncommercial Educational FM, subpart C; TV, subpart E; LPFM, subpart G;
and Class A TV, subpart J.
(c) Certain provisions of this subpart apply to International
Broadcast Stations (subpart F, part 73), LPFM (subpart G, part 73), and
Low Power TV, TV Translator and TV Booster Stations (subpart G, part 74)
where the rules for those services so provide.


(f) The term ``substantial showing'' of a bona fide candidacy as
used in paragraphs (b), (d) and (e) of this section means evidence that
the person claiming to be a candidate has engaged to a substantial
degree in activities commonly associated with political campaigning.
Such activities normally would include making campaign speeches,
distributing campaign literature, issuing press releases, maintaining a
campaign committee, and establishing campaign headquarters (even though
the headquarters in some instances might be the residence of the
candidate or his or her campaign manager). Not all of the listed
activities are necessarily required in each case to demonstrate a
substantial showing, and there may be activities not listed herein which
would contribute to such a showing.

[57 FR 27708, June 22, 1992]


Sec. 73.1941 Equal opportunities.

(a) General requirements. Except as otherwise indicated in Sec.
73.1944, no station licensee is required to permit the use of its
facilities by any legally qualified candidate for public office, but if
any licensee shall permit any such candidate to use its facilities, it
shall afford equal opportunities to all other candidates for that office
to use such facilities. Such licensee shall have no power of censorship
over the material broadcast by any such candidate. Appearance by a
legally qualified candidate on any:
(1) Bona fide newscast;
(2) Bona fide news interview;
(3) Bona fide news documentary (if the appearance of the candidate
is incidental to the presentation of the subject or subjects covered by
the news documentary); or


Hmmm... Do you respect the law?

[Justaguy]

It makes sense to begin pruning out the chaff from the grain.

The ones at the debate has to further the ripening process of the relevant grain they are developing.

Ron Paul has ergot of his grain.

The FCC has a criteria for that, and unfortunately for Neocons, Dr. Paul qualifies as a "bona fide candidate"

It's only two days to the first caucus. Lets see who comes out of Iowa.

[Justaguy]

He wore that out a long time ago. He shows up here occasionally, and makes a fool of himself. We tolerate him because he is a mildly amusing diversion from reality on otherwise slow days.

You tolerate me because YOU have no other choice. I'm one of the original members of this board, which, by the way, you're not. Equally, I play by the rules.

[DoctorDoom]

Lets see who comes out of Iowa.<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/International/SaddamStatue.jpg" align="left" border="1" hspace="8" />All of them will come out of Iowa. Paul will come out in defeat. And you will whine and wail and cry your little eyes out about "neocons". And no one will give a shit because you have no more credibility than Paul has. Ergo, we'll live with your pathetic ilk for a little while more, confident that in the end your idol will fall like the Saddam statue.

[DoctorDoom]

You tolerate me because YOU have no other choice.Wrong.

I'm one of the original members of this board, which, by the way, you're not.And?

Justaguy
Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 212

DoctorDoom
Troll Hunter
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 35,222

One would say that 05-28-2002 is earlier than 07-10-2003. IAC, 212 posts tells us that you are at best an infrequent Freecer, leading one to wonder why you post at all.

Admit that were it not for your worship of Saint RuPaul you wouldn't be posting now. Prior to this spurt of posts, your last one was on July 15. And as of this writing, you have posted 50 times in two days, of which TWO posts were not in Paulbot threads.

Equally, I play by the rules.Never said you didn't. We have no rules about idolatry.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Heck, I was a relative late-comer to this board and I was even here before Justaguy was.

[TeenageRepublican]

LOL,

You are being evasive.

I have noted that in several forums.A cadre of Ron Paul supporters are being told to control themselves.I have seen it here too.It seems that they sell their man too much.To the point of being obnoxious.

I suggest that you do not fall in the trap of making a bunch evasive replies and wear out your welcome.Ron Paul has already worn out his welcome for his hate gibberish.

I actually liked part of his platform.But his Foreign Policy mutterings are simply insane.He wants to just drop everything and run ALL the troops home RIGHT AWAY!

That is a major reason why he is low in the polls and why he is disliked in many forums.

:claps::claps::claps:

Ron Paul's an isolationist who refuses to admit to it.

[jayson]

Naturalized Texan: http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/icons/applaud0.gifTV cuts candidates from debates, angering Paulbots

Why am I not shocked that you are applauding the exclusion of candidates.

Even if you don't support Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter, I would think you would be disgusted with Fox's treatment of candidates they deem "not important". The people should deem who isn't important by voting... not by what Fox says or thinks, regardless of the fact that they are a private business.

[DoctorDoom]

Why am I not shocked that you are applauding the exclusion of candidates.Why include candidates who have no chance whatsoever of being elected? A debate should be between candidates who have reasonable expectations of being elected, without hopeless also-rans taking up space and time.

Envision the post-convention debates if every "qualified" candidate takes part.

God Johan Josephe Lally (NA) (http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=83111)

Office Seeking: President (Announced, General)
Party: Other

Background Information

Gender:
Family: Spouse: Virgin Mary John Lally Burtz.
Birth date: 11/20/1954
Birthplace: New York, NY
Home City: Island Pond, VT
Religion: Catholic Tuectonic

Education:
Self Educated.

Professional Experience:
Dairy Farmer.

Political Experience:

Organizations:
Priest, Vegetarian Benedictine.

THAT would be an interesting debate.

[The_Elucidator]

You tolerate me because YOU have no other choice. I'm one of the original members of this board, which, by the way, you're not. Equally, I play by the rules.

About the time I forget about Rupauls view on legalizing drugs, someone like you comes along and reminds me of another reason why I don't like him!

[Justaguy]

Wrong.

And?

Justaguy
Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 212

DoctorDoom
Troll Hunter
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 35,222

One would say that 05-28-2002 is earlier than 07-10-2003. IAC, 212 posts tells us that you are at best an infrequent Freecer, leading one to wonder why you post at all.

Admit that were it not for your worship of Saint RuPaul you wouldn't be posting now. Prior to this spurt of posts, your last one was on July 15. And as of this writing, you have posted 50 times in two days, of which TWO posts were not in Paulbot threads.

Never said you didn't. We have no rules about idolatry.

If you had been here, you would know that once when they were changing over to new software, they lost the original member list and people had to re-register. See that's the difference, that was the FIRST time you registered on FC, I came here when the TownHall board was shut down. I bet you didn't know that I used to be a moderator on this board.

I can remember when you showed up, I thought, how sad that someone is so
afraid that they have to pick such a juvenile name as "Dr. Doom." How pathetic. It's turned out that I called that just right. You're not here to discuss issues, you're here to bloat your ego and work on your attack strategies.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that sees that. I wonder how many GOOD posters you've run off, you know, people who can think?

Why do I come here? Nostalgia. This is one of the very first boards I ever frequented. At one time, there was really good discussion on this board. Now, there's it seems to be infested by the likes of you and Tex who think Loud=smart.

[Justaguy]

About the time I forget about Rupauls view on legalizing drugs, someone like you comes along and reminds me of another reason why I don't like him!

His personal opinion on that issue has little to do with his constitutional opinion on it. His belief is that its a state issue, not a federal issue.

[Justaguy]

Heck, I was a relative late-comer to this board and I was even here before Justaguy was.

Talk to the old timers... I've always been here.

[sunsettommy]

I can understand why you are no longer a Moderator in this forum.

Your attack on an administrator is dumb.You as a FORMER Moderator should know that attacking any Administrators is a no no.

I can remember when you showed up, I thought, how sad that someone is so afraid that they have to pick such a juvenile name as "Dr. Doom." How pathetic. It's turned out that I called that just right. You're not here to discuss issues, you're here to bloat your ego and work on your attack strategies.

You are wearing out their tolerance of your trolling comments.

:shame:

I am an Administrator of a forum.I would be pissed if a member would talk back at me in the public like that.

[Justaguy]

You are wearing out their tolerance of your trolling comments.
:shame:

That dog won't hunt. When you look at who's attacking who, it's gonna be hard for the management to support someone who continuously calls the other posters "fool."

Nice try though.

[Timberwolf]

If you had been here, you would know that once when they were changing over to new software, they lost the original member list and people had to re-register. See that's the difference, that was the FIRST time you registered on FC, I came here when the TownHall board was shut down. I bet you didn't know that I used to be a moderator on this board.

I can remember when you showed up, I thought, how sad that someone is so afraid that they have to pick such a juvenile name as "Dr. Doom." How pathetic. It's turned out that I called that just right. You're not here to discuss issues, you're here to bloat your ego and work on your attack strategies.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that sees that. I wonder how many GOOD posters you've run off, you know, people who can think?

Why do I come here? Nostalgia. This is one of the very first boards I ever frequented. At one time, there was really good discussion on this board. Now, there's it seems to be infested by the likes of you and Tex who think Loud=smart.Pull yer head outta yer sphincter, you're only gonna get a crappy hairdo and ring around the collar.

As for original members, Sunshine, I don't happen to be one either...but, I remember the board at TH and came here shortly after it went down. So, blow the sanctimonious BS out yer backside...no one CARES if you're an original member or not. That you can't take the heat of an opposing PoV speaks volumes to YOUR character, not anyone else's.

As for sad, pathetic and juvenile, and people who can think...maybe you oughta take a loong look in that thingy called a mirror. Your positions are those of an uninformed theorist, your candidate a clueless loon. Now, now, don't go gettin' yer panties all in a knot about "the Founders being loons"...they had the luxury of being separated from the "rest of the world" by a sea journey of 3-6 months. Like it or not, we do not have that same luxury...circumstances half-way around the world affect us today as if they were right here at home.

You see, young'un...we deal in reality 'round these parts...not somebody's BS version of Utopia.

[Timberwolf]

That dog won't hunt. When you look at who's attacking who, it's gonna be hard for the management to support someone who continuously calls the other posters "fool."

Nice try though.
It's not an attack when it's the truth, fool.

[sunsettommy]

That dog won't hunt. When you look at who's attacking who, it's gonna be hard for the management to support someone who continuously calls the other posters "fool."

Nice try though.

I am a member making cautionary comments for YOUR benefit.

You fail to get it.

[sunsettommy]

The FCC has a criteria for that, and unfortunately for Neocons, Dr. Paul qualifies as a "bona fide candidate"

It's only two days to the first caucus. Lets see who comes out of Iowa.

3-7% at any polls and at that level for many months is a man who is not a "bona fide candidate"

You really need to stop this delusional idea that he will win.

[DesertFox]

Justaguy was indeed a mod here back in our first year. At that time he was working in Kuwait. He has always favored the Arab point of view over the Israeli, putting him at odds with most of us; but back then he argued and debated.

He resigned after one of our kerfuffles. That was sometime in 02 or 03, methinks.

[The_Elucidator]

Justaguy was indeed a mod here back in our first year. At that time he was working in Kuwait. He has always favored the Arab point of view over the Israeli, putting him at odds with most of us; but back then he argued and debated.


One has to question the judgment of someone who favors Rupaul over FDT and Palestine over Israel.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Talk to the old timers... I've always been here.
Not according to your join date of June 2003. I beat you here by 3 months.

[DesertFox]

Justaguy was a mod before I was a mod.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Justaguy was a mod before I was a mod.
Then he should know better.

[DesertFox]

I've just reread this whole thread. I'm on your side of the thread argument, but Justaguy did not initiate the name calling.

[Suzie]

Justaguy was a mod before I was a mod.

Me too. He was a mod before I was even a member.

[The_Elucidator]

I've just reread this whole thread. I'm on your side of the thread argument, but Justaguy did not initiate the name calling.

True, however.com, condescension does make for great kindling... :smirky:

[DoctorDoom]

Post #37:

If you had been here, you would know that once when they were changing over to new software, they lost the original member list and people had to re-register. See that's the difference, that was the FIRST time you registered on FC, I came here when the TownHall board was shut down. I bet you didn't know that I used to be a moderator on this board.Thank you for that update. I an now informed.

"Now that I do know it I shall do my best to forget it."
-- Sherlock Holmes, A Study in Scarlet, Chapter 2

I can remember when you showed up, I thought, how sad that someone is so
afraid that they have to pick such a juvenile name as "Dr. Doom." How pathetic.When those who cannot debate me coherently are forced to cite my username to divert attention from their ineptitude, I know that I have won, as usual. BTW, I've used online since 1996 on the Usenet, on Commodore BBs in the 80s, and as a CB handle in the 70s. It has the ominous air that I want to project to trolls, loonies, liberals and arseholes. "Mister Nice Guy" just doesn't cut it.

It's turned out that I called that just right. You're not here to discuss issues ...You don't get out much, I gather. Issues are my forte. However, after encountering liberals and other lower life forms since I started with letters-to-the-editor in high school, I have developed zero tolerance for bullshit artists and crap-flingers.

... you're here to bloat your ego ...As Rush says, "It's not bragging if you can do it." Egotism is for the insecure. I know I'm brilliant. I need no egoboo.

... and work on your attack strategies.I have my rep as "The Executioner" to maintain.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that sees that. I wonder how many GOOD posters you've run off, you know, people who can think?If I had a buck for every time I've seen that lame "argument" here and elsewhere, I'd buy Microsoft with petty cash.

Why do I come here? Nostalgia. This is one of the very first boards I ever frequented.Color me thrilled to know that. :rolleyes:

At one time, there was really good discussion on this board.It still is, but you spend all your time in the "RuPaul is my god!" forum, so you don't see it.

Now, there's it seems to be infested by the likes of you and Tex who think Loud=smart.I'm flattered that you think so lowly of me.

<hr>
Post #41:

That dog won't hunt. When you look at who's attacking who, it's gonna be hard for the management to support someone who continuously calls the other posters "fool."I use that only because you haven't yet earned anything more forceful—other than RuPaulbot, which is a label I'd be mortified to wear.

<hr>
Post #46:

Justaguy was indeed a mod here back in our first year. At that time he was working in Kuwait. He has always favored the Arab point of view over the Israeli, putting him at odds with most of us; but back then he argued and debated.

He resigned after one of our kerfuffles. That was sometime in 02 or 03, methinks.Thanks, DF. I recall his "Arab is good and Israeli is bad" posts from a few years back. They were unimpressive then, and they would be unimpressive now. But I would suppose that using the Web in an Ay-rab country via Ay-rab ISPs necessitates that stance in order to keep one's head. It helps if it's also one's personal creed.

<hr>
Post #51:

I've just reread this whole thread. I'm on your side of the thread argument, but Justaguy did not initiate the name calling.Shit-stirrers never do. It elates them when they annoy the hell out of everyone else to the point of evoking colorful verbiage while feigning civility, and having others buy their "I didn't start it!" crap. And he's been copping a tude that would piss off Mother Teresa.

In short, he does not impress me one teeny tiny little bit. I'm pleased that I can reduce him to, "... how sad that someone is so afraid that they have to pick such a juvenile name as 'Dr. Doom.' " It's another notch in the gun belt.

[The_Elucidator]

In short, he does not impress me one teeny tiny little bit. I'm pleased that I can reduce him to, "... how sad that someone is so afraid that they have to pick such a juvenile name as 'Dr. Doom.' " It's another notch in the gun belt.

One can still catch a faint whiff of WD-40 and fresh leather.... :evilgrin:

[DoctorDoom]

And BTW, none of this changes in the slightest the fact that RuPaul and his fawning faithful are

LOOOOOZERS!

[Justaguy]

Justaguy was indeed a mod here back in our first year. At that time he was working in Kuwait. He has always favored the Arab point of view over the Israeli, putting him at odds with most of us; but back then he argued and debated.

He resigned after one of our kerfuffles. That was sometime in 02 or 03, methinks.

Thanks Fox. Actually, I started on the issue back in the TH days because I thought it was going to cause us a lot of problems. Back then about the only one that would talk to me about it was Len Fein. I have to admit, he taught me a thing or two.

Funny thing is... Now I think economic issues are our greatest threat.

[Justaguy]

One has to question the judgment of someone who favors Palestine over Israel.

Actually, my position on that was cut foreign funding. I posted a lot of negative Israeli stories so that people would know what they were supporting. As for me, I don't much care either way, I just want AIPAC out of my congress and my tax dollars out foreign aid.

That was always my position. You see, I'm an America First kinda guy.

[Justaguy]

Post #37:

Thank you for that update. I an now informed.

The rest is Preening and posturing.....

I am honored that you think so much of me to take the time to post such an epic response. :claps::claps: