Rush: Huck 'not a conservative'

[MSGT]

Rush Limbaugh devoted a large portion of his first show since the holidays to criticizing Mike Huckabee's candidacy and offering a disapproving bottom-line assessment of the former governor.

"Ladies and gentlemen, Gov. Huckabee, mighty fine man and is a great Christian, is not a conservative, he’s just not," Limbaugh said. "If you look at his record as governor, he’s got some conservative tendencies on things but he’s certainly not the most conservative of the candidates running on the Republican side."


http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0108/Rush_Huck_not_a_conservative.html

[Eagle1]

I'll get a chance for some spirited discussion with huck supporters tomorrow. Should be a good time. If I can get some people to turn to hunter I will, but if not I think I will have to go with fred.

[Stormfin]

Rush is right. Huck isn't a consistent conservative. It's easy to see how he is appealing to the evangelical Christian faction of the party, but a true conservative he is not.

[DesertFox]

Huckabee is a GOP Clinton.

[MSGT]

Rush is right. Huck isn't a consistent conservative. It's easy to see how he is appealing to the evangelical Christian faction of the party, but a true conservative he is not.Too broad of a brush ya got there. He's appealing to the sound bite crowd. The facts will be out on him starting tomorrow.

[Suzie]

Rush is on Fox news right now and he has said some candidates come close but Huck does not. He will not name the one he thinks is conservative, I wonder why?

[ThomasMore]

Huckabee is a GOP Clinton.

The more I see of Huckabee, the more I am convinced that that is exactly what he is.

Mags calls him "the Huckster," and a more fitting name I cannot imagine.

[ColonialMarine0431]

Huck: In State tuition for illegals. Tax increases as Governor of Ark. .....Nuff said.

[ThomasMore]

Rush is on Fox news right now and he has said some candidates come close but Huck does not. He will not name the one he thinks is conservative, I wonder why?

Sooz, I think he is playing it coy because he will have to push the conservative line both with, and for, the Republican candidate -- and he has been talking to all of them.

I don't think it means that he will shill for any of them. Instead, my guess is that he knows if he throws his weight behind one now, and that one isn't the nominee, he will weaken his message going forward towards the general election.

Whether Huckabee really stepped on Limbaugh's toes, or whether Limbaugh is using that as an excuse to turn up the heat (because he knows what Huckabee really is), I don't know. I suspect Limbaugh's actions are informed more by the second -- the first is just the excuse.

[TheIrishman]

Fred Thompson is the only one left. Hunter and Tancredo seem to be conservatives but they're gone. If Thompson doesn't get the presidency this nation is in deep trouble just from the illegal immigrants and the amnesty they will be given. All of our welfare programs will be depleted, dug into the ground. We will be humiliated in Iraq and Afghanistan. Taxes will go up.. The oil companies will be taxed highly, and guess who will pay for that. Check the price of cigarettes if you need help in that area. Look forward to $5.00/gal..

[Naturalized-Texan]

Rush is on Fox news right now and he has said some candidates come close but Huck does not. He will not name the one he thinks is conservative, I wonder why?
He has never endorsed any candidate in the primaries. He is holding to that tradition.

However, reading between the lines of what he says on his talk show, he appears to be leaning towards Fred Thompson.

[dajoga]

Rush is right. Huck isn't a consistent conservative. It's easy to see how he is appealing to the evangelical Christian faction of the party, but a true conservative he is not.

But, he's got all the anti-theists foaming at the mouth..:rotflmbo:

[Suzie]

He has never endorsed any candidate in the primaries. He is holding to that tradition.

However, reading between the lines of what he says on his talk show, he appears to be leaning towards Fred Thompson.

Well if he's any sort of advocate or even wants what's best for the country why not give his opinion to his fan base? Why make them read between the lines? Isn't he all about selling his opinions to people?

[mudmagnet63]

Hucka-bull has won the first contest soley because IOWA is not a conservative state neither is NH. It seems unfair the first 2 contests are in quite Liberal parts of the country. We have all wanted a conservative to step up, but it seems the folks up north will set the tone for Feb. 5. Fred needs to start KICKIN some ASS, and quit pussyfootin around. The other choices as I see them are just not acceptable.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Ohio?????? It was Iowa!

[mudmagnet63]

Yes it was thanks TEX

[MSGT]

Fresh from victory in the Iowa caucuses last night, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee defended his bone fides, calling talk-host Rush Limbaugh's claim that he's not a conservative in the mold of Ronald Reagan"ridiculous."

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"So I really want you all to understand here that you can try to sell me on Huckabee in a number of ways, but don't – don't! – tell me that he's Reagan," Limbaugh said. "Don't tell me that Mitt Romney is Reagan, and don't tell me that John McCain is Reagan, and don't tell me that Rudy Giuliani is Reagan, and don't tell me that Fred Thompson is Reagan, and don't tell me that Ron Paul is Reagan, because they aren't."


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59529

[DesertFox]

Ohio?????? It was Iowa! Six a one, ...

[ColonialMarine0431]

Ohio?????? It was Iowa!


Meh...like there's a difference? They're both states that nobody can point out on a map. :roar:

[Timberwolf]

So I really want you all to understand here that you can try to sell me on Huckabee in a number of ways, but don't – don't! – tell me that he's Reagan," Limbaugh said. "Don't tell me that Mitt Romney is Reagan, and don't tell me that John McCain is Reagan, and don't tell me that Rudy Giuliani is Reagan, and don't tell me that Fred Thompson is Reagan, and don't tell me that Ron Paul is Reagan, because they aren't.
Yeah, but ol' Freddie is the only one who fits into the same mold...Huck is quickly becoming "too slick" for his own good, much like the Mutt.

[DoctorDoom]

Huckabee is an example of identity politics, emphasizing his Christianity to appeal to evangelicals rather than stating his qualifications to become the POTUS. In that respect he's on a par with Hillbitch, who is running on being female.

[Suzie]

Since so many are worried about all the moral issues (or immoral) I think many are hoping he can keep some of this stuff from being forced upon us. I don't think they have any proof he would do it though other than they think so because he is a preacher.

[MrSanity]

Huckabee is an example of identity politics, emphasizing his Christianity to appeal to evangelicals rather than stating his qualifications to become the POTUS. In that respect he's on a par with Hillbitch, who is running on being female.'Fraid so.

Huck appeals to apolitical evangelicals who are concerned about only a couple of social issues and little else. This religious pandering is eventually going to destroy the GOP.

Thompson, on the other hand, ACTS as Christ-like as a politician you can hope for, without using his religious views for political purposes.

Another thing - I'm not seeing how Chris Matthews and the other media types find subjects like creation and salvation relevant to a strictly political debate.

Everything I dislike about GWB, I detest about Huckabee even more. He's almost a pro-life version of Bill Clinton, taking his welfarism, his immigration record, and his pardons into account.

He's just barely better than Rudy Giuliani.

[Justaguy]

Huckabee is an example of identity politics, emphasizing his Christianity to appeal to evangelicals rather than stating his qualifications to become the POTUS. In that respect he's on a par with Hillbitch, who is running on being female.

Well said. I'm impressed.

[ThomasMore]

Ditto.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Yeah, but ol' Freddie is the only one who fits into the same mold...Huck is quickly becoming "too slick" for his own good, much like the Mutt.
As I said before, reading between the lines it appears that Rush is leaning towards Fred. He's the only one Rush has said nothing negative about.

[S-T]

Huckabee is a GOP Clinton.

You are partially right, in that there are some similarities. However, Disgraced Ex-President Clinton (DEPC) was arguably the most morally bankrupt President in American history. While Huckabee's record on limited government is less than perfect (I am being charitable) he is an exponentially better person than DEPC.

"Values Voters" pulled Bush's butt out of the fire in 2004. I would not count on that happening with Huckabee unless he demonstrates that he is a true fiscal conservative over the course of the next 10 months (assuming that Huckabee is the nominee.) Big government "conservatism" (a contradiction in terms if there ever was one) is not a sustainable political strategery in the long term. We should have learned that lesson in 2006.

As for Rudy G., he's an idiot if he thinks his "moderate" stances on social issues will help him win. He obviously does not get it - as I said above, "Values Voters" are the primary reason Bush won in 2004. Even the Democrats get it - they recruited a bunch of pro-life Dems to run in 2006.

[S-T]

Here's another interesting take on Huckabee. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319317,00.html) The only thing I would dispute is that this isn't new - Bush has been governing as a big-government "conservative" for seven years.

In the late 1990s, people were talking about how Bill Clinton represented a "third way" that would resonate with voters: progressive on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues. (Clinton was no fiscal conservative, but that's another issue.)

That "third way" did appear with Bush, but it was exactly the opposite of what was predicted to be the way to political success in the future.

[dajoga]

As I said before, reading between the lines it appears that Rush is leaning towards Fred. He's the only one Rush has said nothing negative about.


...and the only candidate that says he's not partidcularly interested in being pres, so, though I like him, I'm not too motivated to support him.

[dajoga]

'Fraid so.

Huck appeals to apolitical evangelicals who are concerned about only a couple of social issues and little else. This religious pandering is eventually going to destroy the GOP.

Wrong, w/o the evangelicals no 'pub will win! The 'rats are in the same boat, w/o the black vote, they lose.

Thompson, on the other hand, ACTS as Christ-like as a politician you can hope for, without using his religious views for political purposes.

How so?

Another thing - I'm not seeing how Chris Matthews and the other media types find subjects like creation and salvation relevant to a strictly political debate.

Easy, they're liberal anti-theists and hope to use this to get a 'rat into office!

[Maggie_T]

Rush: Huck 'not a conservative'



Well, DUH-UH!!!!

Sorry, Rush. No offense meant.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

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As I said before, reading between the lines it appears that Rush is leaning towards Fred. He's the only one Rush has said nothing negative about.
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...and the only candidate that says he's not partidcularly interested in being pres, so, though I like him, I'm not too motivated to support him.

And that's the only reason you're not going to support him? Fred is the only one sticking to the Conservative line, but because he APPEARS to have no "fire in his belly" you're going to choose one of the other candidates who are no where near the Conservative line? Sorry, I just don't understand the logic of that.

There's an old Klingon saying, "Kahless said, "Great men do not seek power, they have power thrust upon them." Or if you prefer the original that quote was paraphrased from, Shakespeare said, "Some men are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." One doens't have to seek (as with lust or greed) power to BE powerful. I would rather a reluctant leader willing and able to do the job to the best of his ability, than one seeking to lead willingly in the wrong direction.

I have listened to his words, I have looked at his record, and his actions speak just as loud as his language. He is the only candidate willing to say things people don't want to hear or talk about (i.e. Social Security, returning decisions re: abortion to the states, the ONLY things government should be doing (like defense) instead of mettling in individual personal affairs like health care, etc.)

Huck is DEFINITELY not a Conservative ... Fred Thompson IS.

[Elgalad]

I visited my folks in Iowa yesterday, went to church with them and met some of their friends afterwards at a potluck. They were talking about how well the caucus went, needless to say they were Huckabee supporters. I tried to keep my mouth shut, but at one point I just had to ask them.. "Which policies of Huck's do you support, exactly?"

I was met with blank stares. :rolleyes:

One finally said, "He's a real Christian. He's against abortion." He said this somewhat defensively, which I thought was telling.

Someone yesterday on one of the cable channels got it right when she/he said, "I'm not electing a pastor next year, I'm electing a President."

That sums up my feelings well.

I like Mike Huckabee the person. He is sincere about wanting to end the tragedy of wholescale infant slaughter aka abortion on demand, and he is strong on other social issues as well. But it is patently clear that he actually believes that Big Government can be a force for good (if it's in the right hands). His record as Governor of Arkansas proves this.

His error is not in his sincerity or conviction, but in his naivete, and for this reason alone, he should not become President of the United States.

Some of the biggest mistakes ever made are often justified afterwards by folks who had 'only the best intentions'.


http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9004/boromir014xq1.jpg

"It is a gift. A gift to the foes of Mordor. Why not use this ring?"



-Elgalad

[ThomasMore]

Someone yesterday on one of the cable channels got it right when she/he said, "I'm not electing a pastor next year, I'm electing a President."

That sums up my feelings well.

That.

Some of the biggest mistakes ever made are often justified afterwards by folks who had 'only the best intentions'.

-Elgalad

And that.

[Wyatt_Junker]

at one point I just had to ask them.. "Which policies of Huck's do you support, exactly?"

I was met with blank stares. :rolleyes:

One finally said, "He's a real Christian. He's against abortion." He said this somewhat defensively, which I thought was telling.

Its that kind of retardation that's going to ruin this country. Number one, Huck's Christianity sounds libbed. Second, one issue chad yankers don't have a clue about politics.


I like Mike Huckabee the person. He is sincere about wanting to end the tragedy of wholescale infant slaughter aka abortion on demand, and he is strong on other social issues as well. But it is patently clear that he actually believes that Big Government can be a force for good (if it's in the right hands). His record as Governor of Arkansas proves this.

I don't even know I'd like Mike Huckabee the person. Wanting to end abortion is a moral necessity, but a government nanny state is a high moral evil. Its almost a social crime as far as I see it. The man is more than just mixed up. He's contaminated. It sounds like he's made decisions to align himself with the worst forces of black magic in the higher planes of government. Utterly freakish control over the American civ. When I hear Huckabee talk, I hear hubris. I don't hear a pastor. I hear a preacher. There's a difference. He is all the things wrong with church today. And because of that, he is a scar not just on America but on my faith by even claiming to be a part of it.

[DeclinetoState]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9004/boromir014xq1.jpg http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Scary%20Hillary%20Clinton.jpg

[Elgalad]

I think this might be closer to the mark..

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9044/smeagoltr5.jpghttp://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Scary%20Hillary%20Clinton.jpg


-Elgalad

[Timberwolf]

That's cold, E...funnier than hell, but cold.

[Elgalad]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/286/icemanui3.jpg

And?


:rotflmbo:



Come on now, TW, you know I'm really just a harmless little fuzzball (apologies to Rush) who only likes to poke a little fun at folks from time to time.

You know how much I really Do love, admire, and respect Mrs. Clinton. :thumb:
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:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame: Aw hell, crawl back under the slimy heap of offal you excreted yourself from and take that drooling old sex offender with you, you pestilent, dessiccated, supercilious, malignant, cretinous, fossilized termagant! :flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:


-Elgalad, all grumpy now, thanks to Timberwolf.

[maxparrish]

...The Club for Growth is committed to lower taxes across the board. Lower taxes on work, savings, and investments lead to greater levels of these activities, thus encouraging greater economic growth.
Governor Huckabee touts himself as an economic conservative, writing in his biography that he "pushed through the Arkansas Legislature the first major, broad-based tax cuts in state history" and "led efforts to establish a Property Taxpayers' Bill of Rights" early on as governor,<SUP>[1 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#1)]</SUP> but he only offers a small piece of the picture. It is true that Governor Huckabee fought for an $80 million tax cut package in 1997 that was passed by the Arkansas Legislature;<SUP>[2 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#2)]</SUP> cut the state capital gains tax in 1999;<SUP>[3 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#3)]</SUP> and passed the Property Taxpayers' Bill of Rights in the same year, limiting the increase in property taxes to 10% a year for individuals and 5% per taxing unit.<SUP>[4 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#4)]</SUP> However, his record over the rest of his ten-year tenure tells a starkly different story.

Immediately upon taking office, Governor Huckabee signed a sales tax hike in 1996 to fund the Games and Fishing Commission and the Department of Parks and Tourism.<SUP>[5 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#5)]</SUP>
He supported an internet sales tax in 2001.<SUP>[6 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#6)]</SUP>
He publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002.<SUP>[7 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#7)]</SUP>
He signed bills raising taxes on gasoline (1999), cigarettes (2003)<SUP>[8 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#8)]</SUP>, and a $5.25 per day bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001.<SUP>[9 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#9)]</SUP>
He proposed another sales take hike in 2002 to fund education improvements.<SUP>[10 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#10)]</SUP>
He opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003.<SUP>[11 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#11)]</SUP>
In 2004, he allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law.<SUP>[12 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#12)]</SUP>By the end of his ten-year tenure, Governor Huckabee was responsible for a 37% higher sales tax in Arkansas, 16% higher motor fuel taxes, and 103% higher cigarette taxes according to Americans for Tax Reform,<SUP>[13 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#13)]</SUP> garnering a lifetime grade of D from the free-market Cato Institute. While he is on record supporting making the Bush tax cuts permanent, he joined Democrats in criticizing the Republican Party for tilting its tax policies "toward the people at the top end of the economic scale,"<SUP>[14 (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php#14)]</SUP> even though objective evidence demonstrates that the Bush tax cuts have actually shifted the tax burden to higher income taxpayers.

The Club for Growth has the full lowdown on this fellow - NOPE no conservative.

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php

[Timberwolf]

Sorry, E...but, by all means...VENT!! LOL

[Maggie_T]

Huckabee is a GOP Clinton.

No. He's a GOP Jimmy Carter. Even (Bill) Clinton could show some sort of ruthlessness when push came to shove. The Huckster is all kissy-feely mush.

[Timberwolf]

Max...fantastic information! Forward that to Rush, Sean and O'Reilly.

[DeclinetoState]

http://www.pjvoice.com/v28/photos/huckabee.jpg http://www.fiveanddime.net/hillary-clinton-for-president-in-2008/senator-clinton2.jpg

But were they separated at birth?

[Rhino]

...and the only candidate that says he's not partidcularly interested in being pres, so, though I like him, I'm not too motivated to support him.So, you want someone who is just interested in the title rather than interested is doing what is best for the country? That's what he actually said. Either you have your priorities mixed up or you simply took what he said out of context. As far as I'm concerened that's one of the things that makes him the best choice.

[Maggie_T]

"So I really want you all to understand here that you can try to sell me on Huckabee in a number of ways, but don't – don't! – tell me that he's Reagan," Limbaugh said. "Don't tell me that Mitt Romney is Reagan, and don't tell me that John McCain is Reagan, and don't tell me that Rudy Giuliani is Reagan, and don't tell me that Fred Thompson is Reagan, and don't tell me that Ron Paul is Reagan, because they aren't."


Reagan was Reagan. There's only been one Reagan. Let him be. I don't want anyone to be "another Reagan." That sounds too much like a crowd-pleaser. I want a guy who will be a true, genuine conservative BY HIS OWN MERIT, not by copying someone else, never mind how great that someone else was.

We're making a big mistake demanding that all our candidates "be like Reagan." That's cheapening Ronnie's memory, IMHO, because now, every two-bit candidate invokes Reagan's name to score points.

Enough of that. I want a real, honest-to-God conservative. I want his conservatism to be like Reagan's conservatism. Not a conveyor-belt copy of Ronnie.

[MrSanity]

Wrong, w/o the evangelicals no 'pub will win!!Never denied it, and you appear to be missing my point. The point is that the GOP will become STRICTLY evangelicals and little else if we keep choosing candidates that play the God Card non-stop. Fiscal conservatives and limited government conservatives will stay home if the mainstream of the GOP is embracing a big-government tax-hiker like Huckabee beyond this election.

My point was that Thompson is being smart by avoiding a religious war, unlike Huckabee and his supporters. Honestly, they seem to support him just because he was a minister. To me, he seems like he is using it as a way to bully the other candidates and claim a moral monopoly.

How so?By not using God for political purposes, just as I said before. He has left it as, "I'm okay with God, and God is okay with me."

It's interesting that some GOP voters see Huck as the only social conservative in the race, just as you have your dunces who think that Rudy is the only anti-terror candidate.