America's 'Fascist Moment'

[Ronin]

The left-wing extremists accusing the right of being 'fascists', and the right fighting back. :listen:

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Book Review of: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning

By RON RADOSH
January 4, 2008

For decades, the left has used the term "fascist" to attack just about anyone they disagree with. That behavior continues: The feminist author Naomi Wolf has recently come out with a book condemning what she calls the "fascist shift" in America, in which she describes the 10 steps she thinks America is taking that lead to fascism. (Of course, to Ms. Wolf the no. 1 fascist is President Bush.) Before her, the liberal journalist Joe Conason wrote a book titled "It Can Happen Here" — what could happen, of course, was American fascism emanating from the Bush administration. And the journalist Chris Hedges argued that the Christian right was composed of nothing but "American Fascists" — indeed the very title of his book on the subject.

Now, from the conservative side, Jonah Goldberg — who is rightfully fed up with the left's regularly and somewhat indiscriminately calling conservatives fascist — turns the tide by addressing the issue head on, in "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning" (Doubleday, 467 pages, $27.95). Not only is it a slander to yell fascist at the right; Mr. Goldberg presents a strong and compelling case that the very idea of fascism emanated from the ranks of liberalism. As he argues, contemporary liberalism descended from the ranks of 20th-century progressivism, and "shares intellectual roots with European fascism."

New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/68954)

[PaulRevere]

Fascism and communism are two extreme brands of socialism, except that at least the former is also nationalist. Other than the fact that today's "liberals" despise this nation, they are the modern-day fascists. Both fascists and communists believe in complete government control over the three factors of the economy: land, labor, and capital. Under communism, it is outright government ownership, which of course is always a disaster wherever it is implemented. Fascism is government control through heavy regulation. Which American political party is all for more laws and regulation?

[TeenageRepublican]

I posted this on RepublicanOperative.com in response to FTT's question on why liberals call conservatives facists. I think this answer could work here too.

One thing that I've learned throughout my years of being a conservative libertarian is the big difference between us and them.

The liberals think that they're fighting a political cold war against conservatives, so they're trying everything in the book, but mostly insulting.

The conservatives think that we should keep doing the right thing no matter how unpopular it is.

The liberals think the Civil Rights Movement is still happening so they call conservatives racist everytime we even mention race.

The conservatives know that racism is low now and think it's stupid that liberals think the Civil Rights Movement is still happening.

The liberals love telling people what to do and how to do it. They want to make sure everyone has their exact same lifestyles.

The conservatives don't give a damn about what people do in their lives as long as they don't force their lifestyles on everyone else.

The liberals think that the Gays should be allowed to be married and have sex all they want in public places.

The conservatives think, at least I do, that they'll let them have their marriages when the Gays stop harrassing them about their lifestyles.

I could go on and on and on. Obviously, if you step outside of the box, you can see which side is which. The liberals don't have a very good leg to stand on, so they insult people.
Sometimes, there's an intelligent liberal that can debate with insulting, but the majority does not know how to do that.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Jonah Goldberg's book reminds me of the following book:

In LEFTISM: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse (1974), Professor Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn details the natural progression of leftism from The French Revolution to Socialism to Communism to Marxism to Fascist Nationalism to National Socialism to Socialist Racism to what he calls "False Liberalism" - modern American liberalism.

(Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn was an Austrian, born in 1909. He read 20 languages and spoke 8. He had a M.A in Economics and a Doctorate in Political Science from the University of Budapest. He went to England in 1935, so he observed first-hand many of the events he writes about. He was head of the History Department in St. Peter's College, Jersey City (1938-1943) and lecturer in Japanese at Fordham University. He visited the USSR as early as 1930-1931, so he observed events there first hand.)

[MrSanity]

Jonah Goldberg's book reminds me of the following book:

In LEFTISM: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse (1974), Professor Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn details the natural progression of leftism from The French Revolution to Socialism to Communism to Marxism to Fascist Nationalism to National Socialism to Socialist Racism to what he calls "False Liberalism" - modern American liberalism.

(Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn was an Austrian, born in 1909. He read 20 languages and spoke 8. He had a M.A in Economics and a Doctorate in Political Science from the University of Budapest. He went to England in 1935, so he observed first-hand many of the events he writes about. He was head of the History Department in St. Peter's College, Jersey City (1938-1943) and lecturer in Japanese at Fordham University. He visited the USSR as early as 1930-1931, so he observed events there first hand.)I know you've brought the book up before, and it sounds like a good read. Last I heard, it's hard to find, except on places like eBay.

And to think how long it took me to kick my eBay addiction. :D:sad:

[BuckeyeMike]

Right now, I'm looking to find the difference between the Pubs and the Dems!

[Ronin]

Right now, I'm looking to find the difference between the Pubs and the Dems!

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Right = Right

Left = Wrong

:evilgrin:

[MrSanity]

Right now, I'm looking to find the difference between the Pubs and the Dems!I'm not.

The debates have actually been pretty intense as the candidates face more and more public scrutiny. Most of the R's have the right message, but all of them leaving you wondering why they haven't always lived up to it in their past experience.

[ColonialMarine0431]

What's sad is that the Fascist Left don't even recognise their fascism.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Liberal%20Baiting/libtards.jpg

[BuckeyeMike]

I'm not.

The debates have actually been pretty intense as the candidates face more and more public scrutiny. Most of the R's have the right message, but all of them leaving you wondering why they haven't always lived up to it in their past experience.

Which just proves my point. The R's can mouth the "right message", but recent history belies most of what they say. How many of the R's have been indicted, resigned in disgrace, are currently under investigation? They mouth one thing for public consumption and do as they damn well please privately. The rules are for US not THEM........do as I say, not as I do.....I am the elite....I am above the law. Sounds like Clintonese, Kennedeyese, Shumerese, Pelosiese to me. The contemporary politician is nothing but shit in my mind....I don't give a damn what letter of the alphabet they stick behind their name. They have no shame....no regrets....if caught they'd do the same damn thing all over again:flame:

edit: How many of them, including the top office holder, have performed exactly counter to what is logically assumed they should or would do? How many of them cave to the "other side" in direct opposition to their constituency? I can count on one finger the R that has been true to the republic......guess which finger I would be "counting" with.

[DesertFox]

Back to the thread topic: I just ordered my copy of Jonah's book. Amazon has it on sale right now for 18 bucks.

[Lubbock]

Back to the thread topic: I just ordered my copy of Jonah's book. Amazon has it on sale right now for 18 bucks.

I read this NYS article this morning at 4:30am, and immediately set out in quest of the book.

Looks like The Nep has hit a home run with this one.

[PaulRevere]

There are 14 of this book by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn on Amazon.com for $8.95.

It has one review which seems pretty good.

[Naturalized-Texan]

edit: How many of them, including the top office holder, have performed exactly counter to what is logically assumed they should or would do? How many of them cave to the "other side" in direct opposition to their constituency? I can count on one finger the R that has been true to the republic......guess which finger I would be "counting" with.
But George W. Bush has done as president exactly what he said he would do during the 2000 campaign. We knew then that he was, at best, a moderate conservative, yet we voted for him. We knew exactly what we were getting when we voted for him in 2000 and in 2004. No one should have assumed otherwise.

[Naturalized-Texan]

There are 14 of this book by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn on Amazon.com for $8.95.
I bought it new from the Conservative Book Club more than 30 years ago.

[BuckeyeMike]

But George W. Bush has done as president exactly what he said he would do during the 2000 campaign. We knew then that he was, at best, a moderate conservative, yet we voted for him. We knew exactly what we were getting when we voted for him in 2000 and in 2004. No one should have assumed otherwise.

B.S...........We did NOT know exactly what we were getting when we voted for him in 2000. I (and many here), remember the surprise, the outrage at his actions regarding "immigration" and we posted that outrage right here on this board. We remember the Harriet Meyers fiasco....do you? How many posters here at FC eventually threw up their hands in disgust and stated they were through with this bum? We didn't know he was gonna turn on us and his country as he did. He didn't say he was gonna be lip locked to Vinny Foxx's schwantz. He didn't say he was gonna ignore 12 million ILLEGAL Mexicans invading our country. He didn't say he was gonna ignore his sworn oath to protect the borders of this country. He didn't say he was gonna do everything in his power to make legal citizens of the lawbreakers that have invaded our soil. I'm thinking there's a daisy chain here NT.....Vinny, Georgie, and you!

[Naturalized-Texan]

B.S...........We did NOT know exactly what we were getting when we voted for him in 2000. I (and many here), remember the surprise, the outrage at his actions regarding "immigration" and we posted that outrage right here on this board. We remember the Harriet Meyers fiasco....do you? How many posters here at FC eventually threw up their hands in disgust and stated they were through with this bum? We didn't know he was gonna turn on us and his country as he did. He didn't say he was gonna be lip locked to Vinny Foxx's schwantz. He didn't say he was gonna ignore 12 million ILLEGAL Mexicans invading our country. He didn't say he was gonna ignore his sworn oath to protect the borders of this country. He didn't say he was gonna do everything in his power to make legal citizens of the lawbreakers that have invaded our soil. I'm thinking there's a daisy chain here NT.....Vinny, Georgie, and you!
I don't understand how you couldn't have known exactly what GW Bush would do as president, but I certainly did and so did most Americans, including most here at FC, and yet we elected him anyhow.

[DesertFox]

We voted for Bush as much or more because of the alternatives (Gore and Kerry) as because of anything we hoped he stood for. We voted for him hoping, not knowing, what he meant by much that was then said. We didn't know exactly what he stood for, but we did know he was a moderate Republican and in no way a real conservative.

[Timberwolf]

Yeah, Fox...Tex...when he uttered the words, "Compassionate Conservative", I had a feeling we'd be in trouble. But, I knew we'd be in for FAR worse with Gore or Kerry, so I voted for him both times. Though I am less than pleased with a few areas of his tenure as Prez, I know we are head and shoulders above where we would be had either one of his opponents won.

That being said, I have to say I've reached my breaking point as it pertains to the candidates the Republicans have been fielding. The party has to get back to its core or I see it running the risk of losing its base for good.