How do most conservatives feel about CPS?

[girlnextdormouse]

Hi.

I mentioned in my first post on freeconservatives, that one of my current goals is to learn as much as possible so I can make more politically educated decisions. One of the issues I may be voting on concerns Child Protective Services. (I'm not completely sure exactly what the issue is at this point, but will be finding out soon.)

I am curious how conservatives feel about CPS.
I'm well aware of how the liberals in my local area feel about CPS.
I'm also well aware of how I feel on a personal level.

I'm curious how conservatives view different aspects of CPS pertaining to things like constitutionality of searching homes, government funding, taking children into custody, foster homes, media reporting, freedom of information, etc...

I appreciate all input. Thanks.

~ toni

[Lubbock]

I would like to know exactly what issue(s) concerning CPS will be on the ballot that you say you will have to vote on.

Personal Point of View:

I would not want to live in a society where CPS doesn't exist.

CPS doesn't always get it right, but they get it right more often than they do wrong. The problem is, when they get it wrong, it makes headlines and lots of bad press.

No one ever sees or knows about the thousands upon thousands of cases where CPS got it right.

The Social Workers and Attorneys are over worked, under staffed, and under paid. Day in and day out, they witness unspeakable horror. Crimes against children that you can't, in your worst nightmares, imagine. You can't believe how many ways there are to damage children, and the lengths people --mothers, dads, grandparents, other family members, and total strangers, will go to to damage and harm children.

You can't believe the neglect, the inattention, the filth, that children are subjected to by the very ones who are supposed to love, protect and care for them.

My one gripe, and where I would change the system in Texas [where I live] if I had the power, is Family Reunification.

Workers here are mandated to make an extreme effort to get children who have been removed, back into the home.

I've seen more than enough to know that there are some "homes" where children should never be returned.

Too much Family Reunification. Not enough Prosecution.

The system is overloaded. There are not enough foster homes to house the children.

It's like trying to empty a swimming pool with a teaspoon.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I'm not sure, but I think each state differs in many respects regarding CPS. We've had a lot of trouble down here in Flori-duh. We're the ones down here who CPS sent a little boy back into the custody of his abusive parents and his head was stuffed into a toilet bowl by his father until the child died -- because the little boy soiled his underpants.

I think things need to be looked at on a case by case basis, but generally I think CPS (at least down HERE) sticks their nose in too much where it doesn't belong. In addition, this idea of encouraging people to tattle on their neighbors and such (like the lady that looked like she was going to try to stop me from disciplining my misbehaving young son by swatting him on the tush in the Mall), that wreaks of a nanny-state and big-brother.

If you get an "issue" post it; I'm sure many of us will be happy to speak up about our opinions on it. I think Lubbock has some experience with the CPS in her area too, so perhaps she'll chime in on this thread and lend some input too.

EDIT: Lub, you beat me to the punch -- I just made mention of you in my post. We must have been posting at the same time, LOL.

[girlnextdormouse]

I would like to know exactly what issue(s) concerning CPS will be on the ballot that you say you will have to vote on.

The impression I got from talking to a friend, is that it is some sort of zoning issue due to CPS's recent move from one city building to another. I don't have any details other than that.

Not that a zoning issue is a constitutional right or anything, but it got the two of us discussing general viewpoints on CPS and how most people in this area feel about the agency. I thought, "That may be a good first question for me to ask on this new forum I joined!"

I appreciate people taking the time to answer.
:) Thanks

[namvet527]

I do not know much about CPS but I grew up in the 50's & 60's when I don't think there were many CPS's. I grew getting beat by dad & seeing my dad beat my mom. He ended up murdering her. You'd think I'd be against corporal punishment. But I am not.

But I don't want CPS to go to the other extreme where corporal punishment is against the law. Even when I was young I knew the difference between a spanking & a beating. I got beat.

The main reason our kids today are out of control is cuz liberals are outlawing punishing your kids & kids have too many "rights" without the maturity or life's experiences to properly exercisee those "rights."

I don't know if most CPS's have a liberal bend or not. I hope not. Liberals are afraid to correct or chastise or punish their kids. "Talking" to your kids when they are out of control makes about as much sense as "diplomacy" with out of control terrorists, lol.

I mean sometimes "talking" or restriction, other than corporal punishment works. I don't just don't want corporal punishment against the law.

[ColonialMarine0431]

Florida's version is a nightmare. Spank your kids, and they'll be at your door in no time to take them away.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Florida's version is a nightmare. Spank your kids, and they'll be at your door in no time to take them away.

Just about, yup.

[Lubbock]

In my job, I learn something new every day.

My lesson yesterday: If you are pregnant and on public assistance [AFDC/Medicaid, etc.], when you deliver, the State of Texas REQUIRES the hospital to drug test you. If you test positive, CPS is called and they immediately take the baby. [You are immediately kicked off of public assistance, too.]

Some will disagree, but I think taking the baby is a good thing.

My gripe/observation is this: Why is an OB not required the drug test the woman throughout the pregnancy with every office visit, thus catching the drug use immediately, intervening, perhaps getting the pregnant woman into drug rehab and preventing a baby from being born addicted or damaged?

Obviously, the OB knows he has a Medicaid patient. Why is drug testing not required during pregancy? Doesn't that make more sense?

Why wait until the baby is delivered to learn that the mother is a druggie?

The people who work in the system know where the pitfalls are. Why won't the law makers listen to the people who know how to change the system, streamline it, and get rid of many of the pitfalls.

[PrezLeefun]

My problems with CPS here is NYC is that there is not enough folks to properly deal with all the kids here.

Workers are overloaded and children like Nixmary Brown fall through the cracks and end up dead.

CPS did once come to my home because I told a school councelor about a fight I had gotten into with my mother. She thought it was time send CPS over. I didnt want her to but she insisted. We saw them once and never again.

Now I dont think I needed CPS at that time, but thousands of others kids do and other than the fact that there are not enough agents out there I dont have any major gripes about them.

[Lubbock]

And here is the bottom line:

It is the goal of every Liberal on the planet to create a Nanny State. Where children are concerned, they are well on their way to accomplishing that goal.

A system exists that makes it financially advantageous for a husband/father to not be present in the home. A system exists --safety net, I think the Libs call it, that makes it financially advantageous for young girls to have babies and remain uneducated.

Babies having babies. What potential for abuse and neglect exists in that situation?

When the Libs told us that "bastard" was a bad word to use when referring to illegitimate babies --illegitimate was a bad word to use when referring to out of wedlock babies, that's when it started on a down hill slide.

Shame.

There is none among the youth today.

We can't shame them.

I can remember how very shocked I was twenty of so years ago when I learned that a baby shower was being given for a girl in the neighborhood who was unmarried and pregnant. A baby shower.

What a bunch of fools. To celebrate the birth of an illegitimate child.

Shame on the mother. Shame on the fools who put on the baby shower.

Yes. Babies are precious, no matter the circumstances of their birth. That's not the issue.

I know my views lable me as old fashioned and out of touch with "reality."

Reality is: It was a far better world when we didn't celebrate the birth of illegitimate children, and didn't teach 5th graders how to use condoms.

And back in those old fashioned days, we had a hell of a lot less necessity for Child Protective Services.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

And here is the bottom line:

It is the goal of every Liberal on the planet to create a Nanny State. Where children are concerned, they are well on their way to accomplishing that goal.

A system exists that makes it financially advantageous for a husband/father to not be present in the home. A system exists --safety net, I think the Libs call it, that makes it financially advantageous for young girls to have babies and remain uneducated.

Babies having babies. What potential for abuse and neglect exists in that situation?

When the Libs told us that "bastard" was a bad word to use when referring too illegitimate babies --illegitimate was a bad word to use when referring to out of wedlock babies, that's when it started on a down hill slide.

Shame.

There is none among the youth today.

We can't shame them.

I can remember how very shocked I was twenty of so years ago when I learned that a baby shower was being given for a girl in the neighborhood who was unmarried and pregnant. A baby shower.

What a bunch of fools. To celebrate the birth of an illegitimate child.

Shame on the mother. Shame on the fools who put on the baby shower.

Yes. Babies are precious, no matter the circumstances of their birth. That's not the issue.

I know my views lable me as old fashioned and out of touch with "reality."

Reality is: It was a far better world when we didn't celebrate the birth of illegitimate children, and didn't teach 5th graders how to use condoms.

And back in those old fashioned days, we had a hell of a lot less necessity for Child Protective Services.

:claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps:

[Timberwolf]

And here is the bottom line:

It is the goal of every Liberal on the planet to create a Nanny State. Where children are concerned, they are well on their way to accomplishing that goal.

A system exists that makes it financially advantageous for a husband/father to not be present in the home. A system exists --safety net, I think the Libs call it, that makes it financially advantageous for young girls to have babies and remain uneducated.

Babies having babies. What potential for abuse and neglect exists in that situation?

When the Libs told us that "bastard" was a bad word to use when referring to illegitimate babies --illegitimate was a bad word to use when referring to out of wedlock babies, that's when it started on a down hill slide.

Shame.

There is none among the youth today.

We can't shame them.

I can remember how very shocked I was twenty of so years ago when I learned that a baby shower was being given for a girl in the neighborhood who was unmarried and pregnant. A baby shower.

What a bunch of fools. To celebrate the birth of an illegitimate child.

Shame on the mother. Shame on the fools who put on the baby shower.

Yes. Babies are precious, no matter the circumstances of their birth. That's not the issue.

I know my views lable me as old fashioned and out of touch with "reality."

Reality is: It was a far better world when we didn't celebrate the birth of illegitimate children, and didn't teach 5th graders how to use condoms.

And back in those old fashioned days, we had a hell of a lot less necessity for Child Protective Services.
Hall of Famer there, Lub...:thumb: :thumb:

Giving an unmarried girl a baby shower is one thing...the ladies of the church I attend did this very thing...our CHURCH...one of the reasons I quit going for a while about 10 years ago.

[ColonialMarine0431]

I can remember how very shocked I was twenty of so years ago when I learned that a baby shower was being given for a girl in the neighborhood who was unmarried and pregnant. A baby shower.

What a bunch of fools. To celebrate the birth of an illegitimate child.

Shame on the mother. Shame on the fools who put on the baby shower.


:confused:

[Beowulf]

IMO, CPS has become too powerful. To them, God forbid if you discipline your children with a swat on the ass or scream in their faces! I've been warned for both! It seems that they leave the welfare mother's alone while they neglect their kids while they go after the working class folks for less. And when they do take your kids away, you'll spend years fighting to get them back. I already told them, "If being firm with my son is so bad then take him now." They haven't bothered me since!

Like the IRS, CPS needs to be done away with.