View Full Version : Could Edwards Beat McCain? The Polls Won't Tell Us
DeclinetoState
01-29-2008, 06:33 PM
Yesterday's Zogby poll (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1434) has Edwards within Iowa-like striking distance of Hillary for second place in today's South Carolina primary. "The real movement here is by John Edwards, who is the only one who continues to gain ground in our three-day tracking poll," writes John Zogby, attributing most of the gains to previously undecided African American voters.
White dude rising? We'll soon find out. But the mainstream media, long determined to ignore (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/johnedwards/story/0,,2227248,00.html)Edwards and keep this a feisty, feuding two-person race http://www.johnedwards.com/media/video/where-is-john/ , is not letting him show his stuff where it currently counts--against McCain.
Thursday night, Tim Russert was oohing over how close a McCain-Obama or McCain-Hillary race would be: the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal head-to-head match-up poll (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120122372945915473.html?mod=googlenews_wsj%20)sh ows McCain beating Hillary by two points and tying with Obama; Obama and Hillary each clobbered Romney, Giuliani, and Huckabee. When I saw that Edwards wasn't part of the six-pol poll, my jaded jaw almost dropped.Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-savan/could-edwards-beat-mccain_b_83371.html)
Considering that every major party presidential candidate—Republican, Democrat, Federalist, whatever—that has ever been nominated has been a white male, don't be surprised if Edwards makes his way up as the primary process goes along.
I still think Hillary will be the nominee, though.
Jack_Savage
01-29-2008, 06:58 PM
Yes. I think Edwards would beat McCain. If McCain is the nominee I think D emocrats will win the general election. I didn't think so, but given the way the voters are following the polls to decide who to vote for, McCain will be an easy win for either of the Democrats. Early reporting was mentioning a large number of independents registering as Republicans to vote for McCain.
If McCain is the nominee, all that left wing support will dry up, and many conservatives won't vote for him. McCain is strutting and gloating around, yucking it up about being the only candidate for the war while obstructing firm and effective interrogation methods which prolong the war. I wonder what offers he has out to Lieberman and Lindsey Graham?
Rhino
01-30-2008, 09:29 AM
Could Edwards Beat McCain? The Polls Won't Tell UsThere are polls for that.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
Lazarus
01-30-2008, 09:39 AM
...If McCain is the nominee, all that left wing support will dry up, and many conservatives won't vote for him. McCain is strutting and gloating around, yucking it up about being the only candidate for the war while obstructing firm and effective interrogation methods which prolong the war.Good analysis D4R... I think you have the long range view in sight... McCain is only on top today because Leftists are sneaking into the Pub primaries and giving him the extra boost he needs... After the nomaniation is set, they will abandon him... And Conservatives, (like me) have already cut the rope to his boat... So he'll end up in November floundering with the middle-of-the-road wimps and the CC Pubs... Not nearly enough to bea the Dems...
I wonder what offers he has out to Lieberman and Lindsey Graham?No deals for either one of those - at least not for VP... McCain knows he needs the Conservative vote... So he'll try to bring a popular Conservative on board to buy our votes... I'm betting he'll try to woo Fred to his team with a VP slot...
In any event, it will be too little, too late for me... I don't forget the betrayals that McCain has shown us over his ENTIRE career - the deals he made with the Left in opposiiton to his own party... He's the most dishonest, political thug in Washington today - and that's saying a lot... I will not vote for him...
Suzie
01-30-2008, 09:41 AM
There are polls for that.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
Those are some scary polls.
Rhino
01-30-2008, 09:44 AM
Doesn't matter now.
Edwards to Drop Out of Presidential Race (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55426)
Suzie
01-30-2008, 09:49 AM
I am talking about the other polls on the same page. I know Breck girl is done. The Romney polls show all the democrats beat him.
Jack_Savage
01-30-2008, 11:58 AM
In any event, it will be too little, too late for me... I don't forget the betrayals that McCain has shown us over his ENTIRE career - the deals he made with the Left in opposiiton to his own party... He's the most dishonest, political thug in Washington today - and that's saying a lot... I will not vote for him...
Me too. I thought I could support McCain if he was the nominee, but last night watching him I realized I just could not do it. I could volunteer time and effort for Romney but not for the admirals son, John McCain.
For Leiberman to come out and state he would not take the VP slot was a presumptious and arrogant statement showing the kind of ties the admirals son has to the far-left. Maybe you and Rhino were right about sitting this election out if the best Republicans can do is muster up McCain.
I also think Rudy should have kept his opinion to himself instead of endorsing the Admirals son. For him to do that, it shows he would have had McCain in his administration if he were to have won. I really missed the mark on this.
Lazarus
01-30-2008, 12:37 PM
There are worse things than sitting the election out...
We are rapidly approaching the point where we must face the very real possibility that we will be faced with the choice of a Democrat Marxist or a Republican Marxist... We are looking in the eye of our worst nightmare - the event that we have all watched over our shoulders all our lives... We are looking at what is in effect the Socialist takeover of America - A leftist-controlled Congress being directed by a Leftist President - party afilliation is irrelevant at this point - A Marxist Republican is just as Marxist as a Marxist Democrat...
And so the likelihood is that we may very well be faced with choosing between playing along with this Marxist farce where they have cleverly eliminated Conservatism from the government, or choosing to stay true to ourselves and our principles and refusing to participate in the farce...
I will never criticize anyone here who chooses to vote Republican, as impotent and sad as I believe that act will be... I respect the right of the individual to vote his conscience... But I think its important to make it crystal clear that withholding one's vote (or voting for a third party, if that is your style) is an entirely honorable and righteous choice...
We are still in a free country, and we have the right to protest this evil and corrupt manipulation of our electoral system by withholding our votes...
THIS Free Conservative is loyal to America first - I have no party loyalties... And I refuse to participate in the destruction of my nation... If we are faced with that NON-choice, I want to be able to go to bed at the end of the day knowing I had no hand in this murder of America...
So sayeth Laz...
Air Force Guy
01-30-2008, 12:58 PM
I will say again Laz...
Watch and see if B.O. and his running mate don't try to distance themselves greatly, social and fiscal policywise, from McCain.
I think that's what was said about Gore losing to Bush in the 2000 election...voters had a hard time telling the difference between Dems and Cons in that race.
If the Dems remember that 2000 race advice, they'll try to make McCain out to be far right. (We know that's not possible)
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