Don't Believe Liberal Media Polls That Show McCain Winning

[Naturalized-Texan]

Don't Believe Liberal Media Polls That Show McCain Winning
By Naturalized-Texan

Don’t believe the polls that show that McCain would defeat either Hillay or Obama. Remember, those polls are being conducted by the liberal media as a vital part of their organized effort to force McCain down our throats so as to ensure a Democrat victory in November.

Let’s look at a little history of how the media have manipulated not only polls but also how they tried to manipulate actual elections:

During the 2000 campaign the liberal media produced polls that showed that McCain would defeat AlGore in order to discourage Republican voters from voting for George W. Bush, a significantly more conservative candidate and a much stronger opponent for AlGore. In 2000 McCain was the darling of the liberal establishment because he would be the easiest Republican to defeat - the same reason that he is the darling of the liberal establishment today.

In a blatant attempt to manipulate the results of the 2000 presidential election, the liberal media called Florida for AlGore before the polls closed in the Florida Panhandle - the heavily Republican part of Florida. By calling Florida for AlGore, it seemingly put him over the top. Consequently, many Republicans who were in line to vote gave up and went home and many Republican voters in the later time zones didn’t bother to even vote.

Democrat strategist, Bob Beckel, estimated that if the networks had not declared Florida for AlGore before the polls closed in the Florida Panhandle, Bush would have picked up an additional 8,000 votes (others estimated that Bush lost between 10,000 and 11,500 votes in Florida because of the early call). Bush would have won Florida by at least 9,700 votes on Election Day, eliminating the need for a painful recount. It’s a sure bet that Bush lost about a million votes nationwide because of that early call (those votes would have given him a majority of the major-candidate popular vote and probably 2 or 3 more states).

Fast forward to 2004: Early in the afternoon of Election Day 2004, the liberal media manipulated the exit polls to show that Kerry was going to win the election by a landslide. The purpose of that manipulation was to discourage Republican voters from showing up at the polls thus giving Kerry the presidency. IMO, that manipulation didn’t work because we Republicans remembered what happened in 2000.

Fast forward to 2008: We are now seeing polls that show that McCain would defeat either Hillary of Obama by 6 or 7 percentage points. Don’t believe them. The liberal media and the liberal establishment are manipulating those polls because they know that a McCain nomination by the Republicans will ensure that the Democrat nominee – Hillary or Obama – will win the November election handily and one of them will be occupying the White House by this time next year.

Don’t be fooled by the liberal media campaign to force McCain down our throats.

[The_Elucidator]

It's not the polls that have cast 3.5 Million votes so far in the primary. Convince me that Romney has the ability to win the Independent vote that will be critical in beating Hitlery or Obama in the General Election. From where I'm sitting he is doing a piss poor job in the Primary! If he can get jobbed by McCain, what do you think Hitlery and her minions will do to him!!

And if you are referring to Scott Rasmussen as being part of the Liberal establishment with an agenda you are going to have to provide proof before I let that slide. Zogby has a track record of deliberate manipulation of the polls, Rasmussen doesn't.

[Suzie]

Not wanting it to be true doesn't mean it isn't. Unfortunately it is and for all the reasons Luc gives. :(

[jayson]

Not wanting it to be true doesn't mean it isn't. Unfortunately it is and for all the reasons Luc gives. :(

Exactly what I've been saying, but no one listens. At a time when 70% of the American people are anti-war, how do you expect to win in a general election with a pro-war candidate?

It's impossible.

[The_Elucidator]

Exactly what I've been saying, but no one listens. At a time when 70% of the American people are anti-war, how do you expect to win in a general election with a pro-war candidate?

It's impossible.

We're at a time where 100% of Ron Paul's supporters post 100% bogus statistics about a 100% correct war showing a 100% complete lack of understanding on how to read a poll.

Maybe 70% of Paul's supporters are "anti-war."

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/bryants6intx/Ron_Paul_600.jpg

[Venus de Smilo]

Not wanting it to be true doesn't mean it isn't. Unfortunately it is and for all the reasons Luc gives. :(
If it's all media-driven, how did McCain get 5 more percentage points than Romney in FL, a state in which only 'pubs can get 'pub ballots?

I'm not saying the media has no influence. It does. But these are real, live voters voting for him.

At any rate, HillBilly would mop the floor with Romney.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Actually, I don't trust any pollster except conservative Kellyanne Conway of the polling company (http://www.pollingcompany.com/).

Kellyanne Elizabeth Conway is CEO and President of the polling company™, inc. a privately-held, woman-owned corporation founded in 1995. The firm is headquartered in Washington, DC and maintains an office in New York City. Mrs. Conway is one of the most quoted and noted pollsters on the national scene.

Among her accomplishments, she was recognized as the most accurate predictor of the 2004 elections and received The Washington Post’s “Crystal Ball” award and co-author of WHAT WOMEN REALLY WANT: How American Women Are Quietly Erasing Political, Racial, Class, and Religious Lines to Change the Way We Live (Free Press, 2005). The book has met with critical acclaim for its ability to distill complex data into memorable message points, acronyms, and phrases.

[Suzie]

Exactly what I've been saying, but no one listens. At a time when 70% of the American people are anti-war, how do you expect to win in a general election with a pro-war candidate?

It's impossible.

We are talking about real polls in the US not the hippie polls aboard the :love: blimp.

[Suzie]

If it's all media-driven, how did McCain get 5 more percentage points than Romney in FL, a state in which only 'pubs can get 'pub ballots?



I didn't say it was. I agreed with Luc, the fact that he is winning shows it isn't all media driven, they are simply reflecting the actual returns.

[Lazarus]

Tex is right in his initial premise... McCain's biggest endoresements have come from the Left... How many leftists have to line up and sing this mad dog's praises before you wake up to the logical conclusion that if the Left love him, he's NOT ONE OF US - HE'S ONE OF THEM!!!

Don't let the Leftists choose our candidate... The Left machine is driven by an age old Communist doctrine that says Patience will Break the West... They have the entire force of the media working for them... All they have to do is hammer America with constant reports of McCain's presumed victories - between primary votes, they inundate us with an never-ending stream of endorsements from RINOs and Leftist Institutions... Hell they were calling McCain the "Clear Frontrunner" back when Romney had more than twice his delegates... And no one even questioned it - It was just accepted...

All they have to do is wait because not only will they win the un-thinking uncommitteds who choose the candidate they think is the popular kid, they will EASILY outlast the Right because we don't have the spine to stand in the gap right to the end... McCain wins a couple if primaries and we're ready to fold up into a fetal position and suck our thumbs and try to convince ourselves that McCain "ain't so bad"...

Don't dance to their tune - We don't have to... There 50 states in this union and all 50 have to speak before the convention occurs... McCain and his Leftist machine is betting we will give up and abandon all hope... They believe they can outlast us - They believe we will fold...

[Suzie]

It's not that he "isn't so bad" it's "he's going to win", we might like to think there are enough conservatives out there to stop him, but you have seen here on this board how many people have turned on Bush, and people who are less conservative than most of us here are actually starting to lean further away from being conservative at all. We can close our eyes and pretend it isn't happening but it IS. People are supporting McCain BECAUSE he is less conservative ... we need to face that. Painting him as more liberal is HELPING him.

I have lived thru what it's like to have a loved one in the military with a Clinton in office and we payed a lot out of our own pocket for him to go to schools and that was back when we couldn't afford it.

When Clinton was in office my husband had to take our grocery money for the month for us to be able to get him to a school he needed for his promotion. I went to the store and bought a pound of ground beef, an onion, a can of tomato sauce, a bag of dried beans, a box of crackers and luckily I had chili powder because we got a spice rack as a wedding gift. And I ate Chili for 2 weeks so he would have gas money and could pay for a room.

If we get Clinton again I want him to retire.

[Lazarus]

...you have seen here on this board how many people have turned on Bush, and people who are less conservative than most of us here are actually starting to lean further away from being conservative at all...Dear, no one turned on Bush - HE turned on us... Are our memories so short that we have forgotten the 20+ million Mexican invaders in this country who he is openly enabling to take over the nation?

And the one's you claim turned on Bush make up most of the people who are opposed to John McCain and are holding the Conservative line... They certainly are NOT the ones who are rolling over to accept a presumed coronation of this mad dog after only 6 primaries - only 3 of which he has been able to claim... They, along with a couple of hardcore Bush supporters are refusing to give in to the Left's propoganda campaign to put a Leftist in the Whitehouse... Are we prepared to let 3 states choose the Republican nominee fot the other 47? If so, why should we bother going to the polls - Afterall he has already won...

If McCain wins this nomination, the Left will have effectively reduced our political system to a one party system - In true Marxist form...

[Suzie]

He is going to win.

[Naturalized-Texan]

He is going to win.
Not a chance.

With McCain as the Republican nominee, the Dem candidate wins in a landslide and the Dems make huge gains in both houses of Congress.

[Suzie]

We shall see. If he doesn't this military family won't go round 2 with the Clintons.

[garlicguy]

Not a chance.

With McCain as the Republican nominee, the Dem candidate wins in a landslide and the Dems make huge gains in both houses of Congress.

A HUGE Amen! The liberal media is trying to steer McCain into the Republican nomination so they can then torpedo him permanently, (God knows there's plenty of ammunition on this guy), resulting in a complete landslide for all contested offices. If we let this happen, it'll be welcome to the USSA.

[Rhino]

He is going to win.And we will lose.

My wife and I were in the military during Clinton too, but I can't support McCain.

[Suzie]

The only hope Romney has is for Huckabee to drop out. If that happens he has a chance, if he doesn't McCain takes it.

[irknow1]

the sooner the dem's/socialists/sons of the anti-christ are in
full control of everydarnthing...............the sooner the Lord God
commands the Lion of Juda to return........................CHRISTIANS
CAN'T LOSE..................................

I.R. Know 1

[Rhino]

The only hope Romney has is for Huckabee to drop out. If that happens he has a chance, if he doesn't McCain takes it.That's what scares me.

[Suzie]

And we will lose.

My wife and I were in the military during Clinton too, but I can't support McCain.

So you are going to support Hillary? What ever you do, even if you don't vote it helps one of them.

[Rhino]

I didn't say I was going to support Hillary.

[Suzie]

Maybe you will get lucky and Obama will win on the dem side. But with Huck in, and he says he is for the long haul, McCain will win.

They just went over the stats on TV Romney can't win it with Huckabee in.

[Jack_Savage]

Three months ago, McCain was the last person Republicans wanted in the Oval Office, but then the far-left started putting out the message to vote for McCain, and what did Republicans do, they started voting for McCain. If thats the best conservatives can do, it doesn't make any difference who is elected. Americans deserve what they get.

Barrack Obama said last night he felt he could work or enjoyed working with John McCain. I suppose if McCain is the best Republicans can do, then they would deserve him, but not me. He would enter office as a lame old duck, gloating around the country, accomplishing nothing, or at least nothing I want to have happen and probably only serve one term.

I don't think he could get elected anyway and I am not going to support him. If Romney is the nominee I would give it a shot of entheusiasm and volunteer time and effort, but not for John McCain.

McCain has never explained away the questions about his time as a POW. What kind of interrogation techniques he was given and statements he made to his captors. I don't condem him for anything he may have said, but I do object to his claiming harsh methods don't work.

I think he has taken that stance to further his denial of what happened to him, not whats best for winning the war. Thats just speculation but from what I know, torture works, and to campaign on gentle interrogation methods when fighting an enemy who uses torture at will, like today sending in retarded women into public places and blowing them up with remote triggers, reveals the kind of enemy we face. and it shows us McCains view is out of step with what needs to be done.

The enemy beheads our soldiers, beheads women, throws children out of high rise buildings in front of parents, and John McCain wants nice and reasonable interrogation. He obstructed the President last year on the subject. He considered running with John Kerry. For me, Romney is my last chance at voting in the next election.

[Lazarus]

A choice between McCain or the Democrats is no choice at all... Its a farce... Its a choice between an Openly-Declared Democrat and an Undercover Democrat Mole... I refuse to be a puppet of the Left...

We are in the fight for control of the party right now... 44 states still have yet to speak in this election and Romney can still win the nomination... If we quit now, we effectlively say that we are satisfied with allowing 3 states to choose our candidate...

Once the primaries are over, if McCain is the Pub nominee, this election is over... America will have been reduced to a One-Party system - Just like Cuba... Im sure Michael Moore will be thrilled...

[Jack_Savage]

Romney still has a shot at it if conservatives come to their senses and realize what a lame old duck, John McCain's Presidency would be.

[Suzie]

Super Tuesday will be the first run without Rudy in the picture. Of course now he has endorsed McCain so we have to assume a great majority of those supporting him will go to McCain.

Rudy turning to him and Huck staying in has really increased the odds against Romney. If McCain wins Rudy and Huck are responsible for it.

[Lazarus]

Im desperately trying to find the segment from Rush's show yesterday where he quoted a Florida Poll worker who conducted his ownb exit poll - The results were amazing - And TOTALLY the opposite of the Leftist Propoganda that the media is spreading around...

He listed all the Groupings of voters who supported Romney vs those who supported McCain... One that really caught my attention if that half the Giuliani voters preferred Romney as their 2nd choice over McLiar... Which I shouldn't have to point out is just the opposite of what the media and their pollster handpuppets are telling everyone...

We can stop this Liar...

[Naturalized-Texan]

Im desperately trying to find the segment from Rush's show yesterday where he quoted a Florida Poll worker who conducted his ownb exit poll - The results were amazing - And TOTALLY the opposite of the Leftist Propoganda that the media is spreading around...

He listed all the Groupings of voters who supported Romney vs those who supported McCain... One that really caught my attention if that half the Giuliani voters preferred Romney as their 2nd choice over McLiar... Which I shouldn't have to point out is just the opposite of what the media and their pollster handpuppets are telling everyone...

We can stop this Liar...
As I remember the only group that supported McCain was the senior citizens.

[Suzie]

Old people like other old people?

[Lazarus]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_013108/content/01125108.guest.html

Here is the segment that I referred to above from Rush's show yesterday... I stand corrected, it was not a Florida Poll worker - It was some blogger who simply read thru and analyzed CNN's own exit poll data....

Read the amazing results...

...the guy was going through the exit poll data and has analyzed it, via the CNN website and their exit poll numbers and he says they reveal some surprising things from Florida.

Romney won pro-lifers.
Romney won the mainstream religious. Huckabee won the very religious, which is less than one-fifth of the pool.
Romney won the Protestants.
Romney tied Huckabee with evangelicals.
Romney won the pro-George W. Bush voters.
Romney is the primary second choice of Giuliani voters and Thompson voters and McCain voters.
Romney won the immigration hardliners.
Romney won the upper middle class earning between $100,000 and $200,000 annually.
Romney won the terrorism-oriented voters.
Romney won the self-identified conservatives and the self-identified very conservatives.
Romney won the values-oriented voters.
Romney won the white voters.
Romney won the tax-cutting voters.

As this blogger writes, "In short, Romney won the Republican Party's idea of itself...The question before Florida was whether McCain could win in a closed Republican race, and now we know he can. The question now is whether he can win with conservatives, and in Florida McCain...did...not."

As we all know, he won with the seasoned citizens in big numbers. He won with the Latino and Hispanic community in south Florida and Miami-Dade, and he won the moderates and the independents. Now, you had to be a Republican to vote, but you come out of there and talk the exit poll, "Are you a Republican?" "I'm an independent, but I'm a Republican," and people are proud to say they're independents. It really impresses the pollsters. So these things just keep adding up, and we find out that McCain is in a lot of these places not actually the Republican candidate, he is the candidate of enough Republicans, but independents and moderates and probably even some liberals.
McLiar won in Florida because of the failure of poll workers to hold a hardline and enforce Florida law by only allowing registered Republicans to vote in the Pub Primary... This is a documented, undisputed fact...

Isnt it funny how the more you look at McCain, the more he resembles a Clinton - in both policy and actions...

[Naturalized-Texan]

Laz: I found it:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_013108/content/01125108.guest.html

Romney won the Protestants. Romney tied Huckabee with evangelicals. Romney won the pro-George W. Bush voters. Romney is the primary second choice of Giuliani voters and Thompson voters and McCain voters. Romney won the immigration hardliners. Romney won the upper middle class earning between $100,000 and $200,000 annually. Romney won the terrorism-oriented voters. Romney won the self-identified conservatives and the self-identified very conservatives. Romney won the values-oriented voters. Romney won the white voters. Romney won the tax-cutting voters. As this blogger writes, "In short, Romney won the Republican Party's idea of itself, and that, too, is a big deal. If you're white, Protestant, anti-abortion, you go to church on Sunday, you think well of the president, you want lower taxes, you hate terrorists, you make a good living, you want to do something about immigration, you live in Florida; chances are you voted Romney. The question before Florida was whether McCain could win in a closed Republican race, and now we know he can. The question now is whether he can win with conservatives, and in Florida McCain did not."

As we all know, he [McCain] won with the seasoned citizens in big numbers. He won with the Latino and Hispanic community in south Florida and Miami-Dade, and he won the moderates and the independents.

Oops! I see you beat me to it by 2 minutes. :D

[Suzie]

The one thing that might change this a little is Rudy's endorsement. If Rudy had kept his mouth shut and went home like Fred then people would have no way to continue following whatever Rudy thinks. And we have seem some folks even here in the past with their lips seriously glued to his butt. It's scary enough they were supporting him to begin with, to trust them to open their eyes now is even scarier.

[d'urville]

I just hope it's untrue that Juan has made some kind of deal with Huckabee.

One other thing that's off with these polls - Juan has always had high negatives, albeit lower than Hillary's, around those of Bob Dole circa 1996, until now.

Romney still has a shot at it if conservatives come to their senses and realize what a lame old duck, John McCain's Presidency would be.

You're way ahead of the curve - that's what the MSM will do to Juan after he's nominated:

he's too old...he's too mentally unstable...he has no core principles...

Then they'll claim he's part of the Washington establishment (forget Hillary) and that he doesn't represent "change".

[Lazarus]

...Oops! I see you beat me to it by 2 minutes. :DYou're gettin slow, Old Man...:biggrin:

[Lazarus]

BTW, that entire segment of Rush's show was brilliant and is worth everyone reading...

[Naturalized-Texan]

You're gettin slow, Old Man...:biggrin:
It's just my hunt-and-peck, two-fingered typing that slowed me down. :biggrin:

[Lazarus]

Dontcha hate it when a finger gets stuck between two keys? You lose precious seconds...:biggrin:

[MrSanity]

Romney still has a shot at it if conservatives come to their senses and realize what a lame old duck, John McCain's Presidency would be.A McCain presidency, or even a McCain nomination, would ensure more, not less oil dependency for at least another eight years.