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ThomasMore
02-08-2008, 09:43 PM
Large transport pilots* plan their takeoffs considering something called a balanced-field length. (*I mean the transports are large, not the pilots...but some of the pilots are pretty large, too.)

During takeoff, the pilots have to assume that an engine will quit during the takeoff roll. After the engine failure, the airplane has to be able to either stop on the remaining runway (accelerate-stop), or be able to continue the takeoff and climb out on the remaining engine(s), again without running out of runway or hitting terrain after takeoff (accelerate-go).

The decision speed is called V1, and it is calculated for every takeoff based on airport altitude, outside air temperature, airplane weight, and airplane performance. V1 is not the takeoff speed, but the stop/continue speed.

Below V1, if the engine quits, the pilots can hit the brakes and stop on remaining runway. Brakes might catch fire or tires blow, but those are acceptable. If the data are correct, the plane should not run off the end.

As the airplane continues to accelerate, the airplane's momentum continues to increase, and the remaining runway rapidly dwindles.

Above V1, the plane now has too much momentum to stop on the remaining runway. But if an engine quits, the remaining good engine(s) will give the airplane enough performance to keep accelerating to takeoff speed on the remaining runway, and to climb clear of all obstacles.

If the runway isn't long enough for the airplane to do that with the altitude/temperature/weight/performance available, the pilots are prohibited from taking off. They would have to find a longer runway, wait for the outside air temperature to cool down, or offload weight until they reach a point where the airplane meets the required engine-failure takeoff performance.

2075
V-speeds displayed on center pedestal
V1 is decision speed
VR is the speed the pilot "rotates,"
or pulls the nose into the air.
V2 is the takeoff safety speed,
after the aircraft has become airborne.

That is why airliners can't always fill every seat, or have to make fuel stops: If the pilots loaded all the passengers and fuel they wanted, they would be too heavy to safely stop or take off with an engine failure.

That is also why transport aircraft usually use only about 2/3 of a runway for takeoff. The rest of the runway is there to allow them to either stop or keep accelerating after an engine fails.

The long preamble above is to put the following video in its proper context. A Russian Ilyushin Il-76 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-76) transport plane (NATO code name "Candid") is seen taking off from the 8,800 foot long runway at Canberra, Australia. You can hear the Australian controllers' voices, as well as radio communications with the Russian pilots. All four engines appear to be developing full power. Whether the pilots did their homework, or just ignored the results, is something of a mystery.

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DeclinetoState
02-09-2008, 12:39 AM
"Vodka burner"? Is that what the Aussies call all Russian aircraft?

ThomasMore
02-09-2008, 02:19 AM
Donno. My guess was that it was an off-the-cuff remark, like the follow-up: "And we have Smirnoff [liftoff]!"

Beowulf
02-09-2008, 03:14 AM
Talking about "using every last inch." Dayam!!

Rhino
02-09-2008, 02:30 PM
Moved to Members Lounge. It didn't really belong in Terrorism and War.

Timberwolf
02-09-2008, 05:00 PM
"and I'm runnin' outta film...gee, hope I've got enough to film the crash". :biglaugh:

Incident_command
02-09-2008, 07:21 PM
TM watch this one. China airlines 737-800 does the same thing. Flaps up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbINavHtiA&e

Taylor1
02-09-2008, 07:44 PM
Lol, the voice of the people in I guess the control tower was hilarious. So what exactly was the little flame or whatever at the end?

Rhino
02-10-2008, 05:33 PM
I didn't see a flame, but tI did see a little dust cloud as the right main gear ran off the end of the runway.

ThomasMore
02-11-2008, 12:28 PM
The Taiwanese 737 pilots were lucky to get in the air at all with flaps and slats retracted.

I don't know what the safe operating speed on the 737 is with flaps and slats up, but on the MD-80 it is well over 200 knots.

I can't imagine pulling it into the air much shy of those speeds, and that takes awhile with the landing gear out and rolling.

Furthermore, the maximum safe tire speed is 190 knots: you risk tire failure.

If flaps and slats fail in flight (won't extend for landing), it is a major emergency. The landing speed is above the safe tire speed and you have a tremendous amount of energy to dissipate upon landing. It takes a LONG runway to stop from landing at over 200 kt.