Coulter on McCain

[DesertFox]

In a speech at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, D.C., Friday, just down the hall from the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), author Ann Coulter said that the primary difference between Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Adolf Hitler was that Hitler "had a coherent tax policy."

Coulter compared a potential alliance between disillusioned conservative Republicans and Sen. Hillary Clinton to the alliance between Winston Churchill and Joseph Stalin during World War II, which was formed to defeat Hitler.

"I'm not comparing McCain to Hitler," she added. "Hitler had a coherent tax policy."

The remark received wild applause from the audience of about 500 conservative activists. Many in the crowd seemed hostile to the idea of a McCain presidency and cheered Coulter's attacks on the Arizona senator.

Coulter also criticized McCain for his sponsorship of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill, accused him of wanting amnesty for illegal immigrants, and mocked his frequent touting of his military service in Vietnam.

More (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200802/POL20080208f.html)

[Maggie_T]

Oh, dear. Annie, love, you do realize you have made yourself the target for the hatred of the self-righteous once again, don't you. Tut-tut. Shame on you, my dear. You ought to know by now that people don't like to be told they worship an idol with feet of clay. Doesn't relfect very nicely on them, you see.

It doesn't mean that you are wrong, Ann. Not by any stretch of the imagination. And that is why they will claw your eyes out, if only figuratively speaking.

You see, dear, every time you are right (and that puts you at about 99% of the times), you make a lot of people look silly. Very silly indeed.

And that is something people - especially the self-righteous variety - does not forgive easily. In fact, I don't think they forgive it at all.

So brace yourself for more predictions of the demise of your career, dear. You'll surivive once again, I have no doubt. But in the meantime, be prepared for some very nasty remarks flung in your general direction.

[DeclinetoState]

Think about this: By dissing McCain and promising to support Hillary, Ann seems to have given the New York Senator and former First Lady the kiss of death. Mrs. Clinton, who had a big lead in the polls a few weeks ago, is now all but neck-and-neck with Barack Obama. Did Ann's "endorsement" have something to do with her slide?

[Jack_Savage]

And that is something people - especially the self-righteous variety - does not forgive easily. In fact, I don't think they forgive it at all.




What is fascinating to me about Ann is the way she enjoys living outside mainstream agreement. She could care less! That is something all of us can learn from. A great role model for self expression. What a great sense of humor.

It is funny to watch her notice people who get shocked when she isn't 100% accurate all the time.

Ann will be remembered as one of the greatest people who ever walked the earth.

[DeclinetoState]

Also remember that when she insinuated that John Edwards was a homosexual, he tried to use her comments to raise money. When she started to ignore him, he was toast.

[EveningStar]

I don't know how valid this source is but if Ann really said that she's badly in need of therapy.

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[EveningStar]

From the article:

Coulter was not invited to speak at CPAC this year...

It sounds like sane minds prevailed at CPAC this year.

[DesertFox]

Sounds like you don't like Ann Coulter.

[EveningStar]

Think about this: By dissing McCain and promising to support Hillary, Ann seems to have given the New York Senator and former First Lady the kiss of death. Mrs. Clinton, who had a big lead in the polls a few weeks ago, is now all but neck-and-neck with Barack Obama. Did Ann's "endorsement" have something to do with her slide?
Ann has lost what influence she had, if any.

[EveningStar]

Sounds like you don't like Ann Coulter.

She seems quite likable. But she gets loonier and loonier.

[DesertFox]

You must have a real shallow grasp of politics, ES. Coulter didn't start out her career with these far-out slams. But anything she said got ridiculed to the max, and meanwhile her critics and her targets got more and more vicious with their comments. They were the ones who talked about "the Taliban wing of the Republican Party," and "we don't need their jackboots in our bedrooms," and the countless direct comparisons to Hitler, Himmler and Goebbels. Their excesses encouraged Coulter to go where they had gone, and she turned out to be better at it than they were.

This is why I laugh at their discomfort and scratch my head at folks like you. I thought you read the ebb-and-flow better than you evidently do.

[EveningStar]

Fox, I know that our side cannot get away with saying the stupid, hateful things the other side can. So why try? And why do we really want to be like them, anyway?

[DesertFox]

You're content to just sit there and take it? You don't want to get even? I do. And who wants to "get away with" anything, anyway? I want them to hear it and squirm and scream and howl and cry and whine and bitch and moan and kick their legs and turn all redfaced and throbbing-jugulared. Maybe we'll get lucky and a bunch of them will die of heart attacks or strokes.

ES, the Left isn't as stupid as it wants everyone to think. They play that way to get over, but they don't fool even other Lefties. Their whole shtick is an act to get attention. That's why they accuse Coulter of wanting attention. That's what they live for, so it's easy for them to imagine that she is similarly motivated.

Go ahead and turn the other check, my friend. I'm going in with my head down, slugging away for all I'm worth and hoping Ann Coulter stays healthy to slug alongside of.

[EveningStar]

When our side uses these tactics, it backfires. When Ann pulls her antics, the Left laughs. And some on our side feel like crying because she looks so ridiculous.

[Jack_Savage]

Its the pretense button that screams the loudest when Ann makes her obvious points. Those gutless, smug, star-stalking, hyprocritical weenies and deviants who can't swerve fast enough into the far-left lane to find themselves.

Of course they wish Ann would cave in to their pressure. Thats what amuses her so much.

[The_Elucidator]

Go ahead and turn the other check, my friend. I'm going in with my head down, slugging away for all I'm worth and hoping Ann Coulter stays healthy to slug alongside of.

You just want to be alongside of Ann cause you think she's hot... :biggrin:

[DesertFox]

She used to be hot -- 15 years ago. :D

[DesertFox]

Agree with Savage. Ann doesn't lose a wink over Lefty howling and outrage because she knows it's just an act. They don't howl with outrage when one of their own goes overboard.

Ultimately it's just a pissing contest. Who can piss furthest. And Ann Coulter outpisses 'em every time. :lol:

[Bluemoon_Rising]

When our side uses these tactics, it backfires. When Ann pulls her antics, the Left laughs. And some on our side feel like crying because she looks so ridiculous.

Same tactics? What tactics are you talking about? Coulter doesn’t lie; she tells the truth. Liberals lie. Don’t you know the difference? She tells the unvarnished, uncomplicated truth without ceremony or permission. She delivers it with a smile and a stiletto . . . and with a swift kick in the ass now and again. She looks ridiculous to you, maybe. Not to me.

We need more Ann Coulters, truckloads full.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Some folks just don't seem to get what we're up against.

From another post:
We've got democratic senators and congresspersons peremptorily declaring defeat while the warriors who believe they are handily winning the war are in harms way. Throwing them to wolves, one of these legislators accused a handful of young Marines of atrocities with great fanfare and with little or no evidence and then neglected to apologize to them or their families when the case fell apart. Another compared the efforts of American interrogators to those of Nazis. And yet another brazenly suggested that our troops, in the midst of an urban war zone mind you, were routinely terrifying women and children in the dead of night as if it were standard policy to do so. In other words, the American fighting man is a monster because the enemy hides behind women and children.

*crickets chirping*

We've got mainstream TV programs at home that countenance dumb as dirt lunatics who accuse their government of mass murder while others are confronting the actual perpetrators abroad.

We've got a member of the Kennedy family -- hence, another fine target for assassination -- openly denouncing his country, a fine country that has poured out buckets of blood and treasure on behalf of oppressed people the world over, as he praises the propaganda-motivated charity of a dictator who has aligned himself with yet another dictator who has threatened to wipe Israel and the United States off the map!

And that’s just for starters. . . .

These are the people on whom Coulter has vented her spleen and with a great deal of success as a matter of fact. Many of the detractors who prophesized her demise from the other side of the swamp she steadfastly braves have fallen away. Laying her reputation and career on the line day after day, this frail woman confronts traitors, lunatics, cowards, liars and thieves. While Democrats continue to mainstream treason and Republican politicians mostly cower in the shadows -- prattling on about a peaceful religion and the merely misguided pronouncements of a loyal opposition or some such -- she takes everything the left has to throw at her, chews it up and spits it back out at them with devastating accuracy.

[BuckeyeMike]

Fox, I know that our side cannot get away with saying the stupid, hateful things the other side can. So why try? And why do we really want to be like them, anyway?


It's called "fighting fire with fire"...besides, being "like them" just might level the playing field a little.....their being "like they are" seems to be winning at the moment. Don't give me this "stoop to their level" bullshit any more.....we've run out of cheeks to turn and it's time to take the gloves off.
I'm outta cliches now, so...............rave on!

[Jack_Savage]

From another post:

Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">We've got democratic senators and congresspersons peremptorily declaring defeat while the warriors who believe they are handily winning the war are in harms way. Throwing them to wolves, one of these legislators accused a handful of young Marines of atrocities with great fanfare and with little or no evidence and then neglected to apologize to them or their families when the case fell apart. Another compared the efforts of American interrogators to those of Nazis. And yet another brazenly suggested that our troops, in the midst of an urban war zone mind you, were routinely terrifying women and children in the dead of night as if it were standard policy to do so. In other words, the American fighting man is a monster because the enemy hides behind women and children.

*crickets chirping*

We've got mainstream TV programs at home that countenance dumb as dirt lunatics who accuse their government of mass murder while others are confronting the actual perpetrators abroad.

We've got a member of the Kennedy family -- hence, another fine target for assassination -- openly denouncing his country, a fine country that has poured out buckets of blood and treasure on behalf of oppressed people the world over, as he praises the propaganda-motivated charity of a dictator who has aligned himself with yet another dictator who has threatened to wipe Israel and the United States off the map!

And that’s just for starters. . . .

These are the people on whom Coulter has vented her spleen and with a great deal of success as a matter of fact. Many of the detractors who prophesized her demise from the other side of the swamp she steadfastly braves have fallen away. Laying her reputation and career on the line day after day, this frail woman confronts traitors, lunatics, cowards, liars and thieves. While Democrats continue to mainstream treason and Republican politicians mostly cower in the shadows -- prattling on about a peaceful religion and the merely misguided pronouncements of a loyal opposition or some such -- she takes everything the left has to throw at her, chews it up and spits it back out at them with devastating accuracy. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Very good, needs to be said again.

[DesertFox]

What Moon said.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

You'll never convince him, he has a white-hot hatred of all things Ann Coulter. I'm not particularly fond of Ms. Coulter's tactics either, but I understand she serves a purpose ... you can't start a fire without striking something. Lately, conservatives need a huge forest fire under their tushies, and even with the fire of Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, et al, for some reason republicans are just letting the McCain tidal wave consume them.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

It's called "fighting fire with fire"...besides, being "like them" just might level the playing field a little.....their being "like they are" seems to be winning at the moment. Don't give me this "stoop to their level" bullshit any more.....we've run out of cheeks to turn and it's time to take the gloves off.
I'm outta cliches now, so...............rave on!

The only thing I would change in this is that I don't want to be like them at all. They lie. We stand for the truth as best we can, for as far as our sight can reach, or we stand for nothing. Ann Coulter's not like them. She doesn't even fight like them. That's what some well-meaning folks are missing! What she and others like her do is tell the truth, but more importantly, they do so -- in defiance of lefty's thought and speech police handbook -- by using language and modes of expression that warm bodies naturally use. Real talk, based on the truth, backed by real emotion.

Coulter simply doesn't care what lefty thinks. She's not trying to persuade, but expose.

[Gato es Verde]

You'll never convince him, he has a white-hot hatred of all things Ann Coulter. I'm not particularly fond of Ms. Coulter's tactics either, but I understand she serves a purpose ... you can't start a fire without striking something. Lately, conservatives need a huge forest fire under their tushies, and even with the fire of Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, et al, for some reason republicans are just letting the McCain tidal wave consume them.

The Republican primary voters have bought into McCain for one reason, and one reason only - because the pollsters tell us he can win.

A vote for McCain is a de facto admission that Geo. W. Bush has so screwed up the Republican party that we have to go more centrist/moderate to hope to win again.

Win at all costs? Bankrupt ourselves morally and ethically to win the nomination? Not this voter.

[BuckeyeMike]

Of course they lie.....they've lied so long now that it has become "truth" to them.....It has become inherent in their physical makeup...but being like them and telling our truth (the real truth) in the same manner in which they do it (with malice and aforethought) much as Ms Coulter does, and without the abject fear of repercussions (being tagged with an ist label of some kind for instance) that so many display, is where I'm coming from. Shove their shit down their throats just like they've been shoving their shit down ours......we just seem to roll over and take it like whimpering puppies.....and the worst offenders are our so-called elected representatives in Congress. Pussies all!

edit: Ms. coulter fights exactly as the left does.....with the same malice and aforethougt that I've iterated in this post! Go Annie Go!

[Lazarus]

Ann is only doing what all conservatives ought to be doing... Since we have no candidate in the election this year, since America has been offered a choice between Democrats and Democrats, she has obviously decided to have fun with the whole thing... I intend to follow the same tack...

Over the next 4 years I intend to have fun at the expense of whoever the president is - Because they are all from the same mold - A Left Mold...

[The_Elucidator]

The Republican primary voters have bought into McCain for one reason, and one reason only - because the pollsters tell us he can win.

A vote for McCain is a de facto admission that Geo. W. Bush has so screwed up the Republican party that we have to go more centrist/moderate to hope to win again.

Win at all costs? Bankrupt ourselves morally and ethically to win the nomination? Not this voter.

Couldn't disagree with you more! We are now left with two turds in the election, and they are BOTH turds, because we conservatives screwed up! It really is that simple!! I will give them credit where credit is due though; they had the sack to run in this election cycle.

How many worked a phone bank, gave till it hurt, registered to participate in all these political polls, purchased bumper stickers/yard signs, etc?

I didn't see ONE DAMN FDT, Tancredo or Hunter bumper sticker or yard sign besides mine (since replaced with my Anybody but Hitlery sticker) anywhere within a hundred mile radius.

I'm sorry but I feel like I just charged up the damn hill in full battle gear only to turn around and find out that I was by myself... Sorry, that's just how I feel!! All that money that conservatives sat on during the primaries that could have gone to Tancredo, Hunter or Thompson will be taken by Obama or Hitlery for FREE HEALTHCARE...!!! So it will all even out in the end! :flame::flame::flame:

Reminds me of that commercial where this group of people are sitting around the dinner table eating and one guy suddenly starts choking. They all sit around talking about solutions while he is turning blue. Finally a guy from another table comes over and gives him the Heimlich Maneuver and the food pops out!


Tell me where I'm wrong!!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Tell me where I'm wrong!!

Sadly, I can't. :shake:

[Wyatt_Junker]

Aww *sniff* ES dwusn't wike Annie. She's mwean.

:rotflmbo:

[Gato es Verde]

Couldn't disagree with you more!

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Tell me where I'm wrong!!

Nice rant.

I'm still looking for the part where you explain how/why you disagree with me.

[Jack_Savage]

Ann is only doing what all conservatives ought to be doing... Since we have no candidate in the election this year, since America has been offered a choice between Democrats and Democrats, she has obviously decided to have fun with the whole thing... I intend to follow the same tack...

Over the next 4 years I intend to have fun at the expense of whoever the president is - Because they are all from the same mold - A Left Mold...


If McCain were to be elected everything Kerry and Kennedy intend to happen will happen and McCain will be blamed. Anything that goes wrong McCain will be blamed. McCain would get it from us and the left. If he adopts, which he will, Kennedy and Kerry ideas, they will use that as campaign propaganda to defeat McCains lame old duck Presidency.

I would rather have Obama in office having to be accountable for what he tries to shove down Americas throat instead of being some outside force shooting McCain in the knee-caps, gaining strength, for his run four years from now. If you didn't like what the far-left did to President Bush for the past four years, don't vote for McCain, he not only is one of them, but he will be a much easier target than Bush, and any McCain Presidency will only be a more focused punching bag for moveon.org. We know what the ideas of the left will bring, so why elect someone representing you to deliver them. It will be conservatives who take the hit.

If conservatives are so weak that they cannot come up with a political vehicle better equipt than Soros's moveon.org then forget about complaining and whining day in and day out, the game is over. On the other hand, surely we can organize and mount a smarter opposition to the plan-less tactics of these weenie idiots, the hollow deviants who only read lines, the actors who have no substance, just appearence, slogans and media hype.

Donate to this forum, and other forms of effective conservative ideas. Get serious. Leaving it up to McCain and waiting for other career politicans to fix what your not willing to confront or organize against is suicide. A slower more torturious snuffing out of the conservative movement. Nobody is going to come along and do it for us. If thats what conservatives have become then vote for McCain and don't complain. It won't make any difference anyway.

Again, what have we got to lose?

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Of course they lie.....they've lied so long now that it has become "truth" to them.....It has become inherent in their physical makeup...but being like them and telling our truth (the real truth) in the same manner in which they do it (with malice and aforethought) much as Ms Coulter does, and without the abject fear of repercussions (being tagged with an ist label of some kind for instance) that so many display, is where I'm coming from. Shove their shit down their throats just like they've been shoving their shit down ours......we just seem to roll over and take it like whimpering puppies.....and the worst offenders are our so-called elected representatives in Congress. Pussies all!

edit: Ms. coulter fights exactly as the left does.....with the same malice and aforethougt that I've iterated in this post! Go Annie Go!

Disagree. Coulter hates liberalism. That's not malice. Malice is what the left does. Coulter has befriended many liberals, likes some of them apart from their politics and wishes them well. I have friends who are liberals. Contempt or disdain is what Coulter's about.

[AJFletch]

When our side uses these tactics, it backfires. When Ann pulls her antics, the Left laughs. And some on our side feel like crying because she looks so ridiculous.

Ann is way off her rocker on this one. Everyone needs to stop foaming at the mouth and relax for a second. McCain is not the anti-Christ.

[Air Force Guy]

Don't have to be the anti-christ to be voted down/out. Just have to be unpredictable/unreliable.

Ann is the living rebuttal to the claim that Republicans don't have a sense of humor. Deal with it ES.

[EveningStar]

I had this exchange on another conservative forum.

Me:She's beginning to remind me of Jaye P. Morgan on The Gong Show.Other guy:No, I mean she's clinically insane. Think Britney Spears with a TownHall column.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

That reminds me, I need to refresh my Coulter quote.

[DesertFox]

Ann is way off her rocker on this one. No, she isn't. Everyone needs to stop foaming at the mouth and relax for a second. Like who? Whom are you talking about foaming at the mouth? McCain is not the anti-Christ. Don't recall anyone saying he was. Do you? Who called John McCain the anti-Christ? Come on, now, 'fess up! WHO DID IT?

WHO CALLED MCCAIN THE ANTI-CHRIST?

[Jack_Savage]

Ann is way off her rocker on this one. Everyone needs to stop foaming at the mouth and relax for a second.

Why? What do you think we avoid if McCain would win the White House? How does he restore strong conservative values? How many members of the left would he have in his administration? Would McCain take out Irans nuke capability? What is it you think he would do that draws you to him?

[The_Elucidator]

Why? What do you think we avoid if McCain would win the White House? How does he restore strong conservative values? How many members of the left would he have in his administration? Would McCain take out Irans nuke capability? What is it you think he would do that draws you to him?

Please explain the difference between Rudy and John.... Besides the fact that Rudy was pro-abortion..

[Jack_Savage]

Please explain the difference between Rudy and John.... Besides the fact that Rudy was pro-abortion..

Its a fair question. I suppose it comes down to the war on terror and his career of original thinking and getting the job done. I like Rudy. Rudy would do whatever he could think of when interrogating terrorists. I thought I could vote for McCain. But when he won Florida, I found I couldn't.

It isn't just putting a check on the issues box that decides it for me. It is how the person thinks and does things. A long time ago I liked McCain. But after seeing his manner of courting the media and far-left I came to distrust him first, then really oppose him when I saw how he sabotages conservative values, and last year President Bush with interrogation methods at a critical point in the war. I liked Romney and he throws him under the bus at every turn.

I could go on and on but with Rudy I see a compleatly different man and think he would have made a contribution to the conservative cause. I think he would have grown even more effective whereas McCain would not.
Its not an easy decision. This is the most important election I have ever seen. What we do will have serious consequences. Each of us has to do what deep down inside we believe will work. I don't think McCain works for the big picture.


Rudy is personally against abortion.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Rudy has consistently supported significant cuts of marginal and corporate rates. He wanted to significantly reduced taxes on capital gains and eliminate the estate tax once and for all.

He would have happily nominated strict constructionists to the courts.

He supports the idea of overturning Roe v. Wade.

In other words, he's personally opposed to abortion and even more importantly believes the matter should be left to the states. I can live with that.

His positions on border security and illegal aliens are solid, not as aggressive as Romney's, but fine just the same. Secure the border and establish a nationwide employee verification program, and the overwhelming majority of illegals will self-deport. The Rude promised to do those two things, and he would have too. As for those who remained in the shadows -- mostly because their roots run deep, in terms of time here and offspring who are citizens -- the Rude would have provided a road to legalization and proposed a migratory work program. I actually like the Rude's two-step, comprehensive plan best. It's practical.

He would not shut down Gitmo.

He opposes defining waterboarding as an illegal form of torture.

He's a staunch supporter of school choice.

McCain's not reliably conservative in any of these areas, including abortion as far as I’m concerned given his “gang of 14” activities and his apparent aversion to Justice Alito.

Yes, I would have happily voted for the Rude had he won the nomination.

I came to like him better than any of the other candidates, except for Hunter and Thompson.

[Jack_Savage]

Rudy has consistently supported significant cuts of marginal and corporate rates. He wanted to significantly reduced taxes on capital gains and eliminate the estate tax once and for all.

He would have happily nominated strict constructionists to the courts.

He supports the idea of overturning Roe v. Wade.

In other words, he's personally opposed to abortion and even more importantly believes the matter should be left to the states. I can live with that.

His positions on border security and illegal aliens are solid, not as aggressive as Romney's, but fine just the same. Secure the border and establish a nationwide employee verification program, and the overwhelming majority of illegals will self-deport. The Rude promised to do those two things, and he would have too. As for those who remained in the shadows -- mostly because their roots run deep, in terms of time here and offspring who are citizens -- the Rude would have provided a road to legalization and proposed a migratory work program. I actually like the Rude's two-step, comprehensive plan best. It's practical.

He would not shut down Gitmo.

He opposes defining waterboarding as an illegal form of torture.

He's a staunch supporter of school choice.

McCain's not reliably conservative in any of these areas, including abortion as far as I’m concerned given his “gang of 14” activities and his apparent aversion to Justice Alito.

Yes, I would have happily voted for the Rude had he won the nomination.

I came to like him better than any of the other candidates, except for Hunter and Thompson.

Another real good post and well researched.

I can only add that if conservatives show some effectiveness here, real good can come. And I am starting to see advantages with an Obama Presidency and a strong conservative House and Senate. For too long the opposition has shackled Republican efforts. Its time to turn the tables on the Democrats. If we got the ball's? If not it won't make any difference.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Supporting McCain or not comes down to this: http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=642190#post642190

[Jack_Savage]

Supporting McCain or not comes down to this: http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=642190#post642190

All they gotta do is live for 4 more years.

With a strong House and Senate we have some leverage. If the fruit-loop left can obstruct and manipulate a Presidency the way they have done, what can a strong focused conservative opposition do?

If all we can do is elect John McCain, we lose our entheusiasm and leverage, who is going to listen to us, Lindsey Graham? Russ Fiengold?

Id rather have a strong Congress than a lame old duck Presidency.

[Tazeeyore]

Any person who says that Hillary would make a good president, or one that would approach a fool like Hanoi John Kerry as his running mate is the one in serious need of therapy. I would prescribe a huge dose of Thorizine or a lobotomy. Not the presidency.

[Timberwolf]

Who Called McCain The Anti-Christ?
Well, I been thinkin' it fer awhile...does that count? :D

[Bluemoon_Rising]

All they gotta do is live for 4 more years.

With a strong House and Senate we have some leverage. If the fruit-loop left can obstruct and manipulate a Presidency the way they have done, what can a strong focused conservative opposition do?

If all we can do is elect John McCain, we lose our entheusiasm and leverage, who is going to listen to us, Lindsey Graham? Russ Fiengold?

Id rather have a strong Congress than a lame old duck Presidency.

I hear you, and I may change my mind. I'm going to be watching McCain really, really close most especially when it gets down to the general. That will tell us more about his presidency than the shoring-up-of-the-base phase of his campaign. If I don't like what I see, I'll cut him loose.

I just don't want folks -- buying into specious arguments -- to not be supporting him for the wrong reasons. Don't buy the Rush argument, for example.

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=642225#post642225

Judges and War. This is what N-T has been arguing, but the full force of these considerations did not fully capture my understanding until I began to consider why I would have been willing to support the Rude over McCain, coupled with the fact of our aged Court. It’s that simple: the only sensible reason for a conservative to support McCain comes down to judges and war. Fiscal responsibility is probably another, but part of fiscal responsibility means not creating burdensome regulations (climate change) or resisting sound tax cut initiatives.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Well, I been thinkin' it fer awhile...does that count? :D



:rotflmbo:

[DesertFox]

McCain won't put up conservative nominees. His nominees will be Sandra Day O'Connors, Alitos-in-reverse.

Far as the war: I don't think any of the three would pull out at this point. We're clearly winning and they clearly see it. None of the three has any policy platform apart from finger-to-the-wind.

[Wyatt_Junker]

I don't know if a 1994 contract-with-America redux will happen or even matter much even if it does.

Amnesty for illegals will pretty much ensure that future entitlement voting becomes institutionalized. The GOP will never get elected to an office again, any office, once that voting block dilutes the electorate.

[Suzie]

Far as the war: I don't think any of the three would pull out at this point. We're clearly winning and they clearly see it. None of the three has any policy platform apart from finger-to-the-wind.

McCain did say we needed more troops from the very beginning. Obama and Hillary both wanted less. He was right, they were wrong.

[DesertFox]

But with McCain you can't know if he took that stance because he believed it or because it won him brownie points with his liberal friends.

That's point one. Point two is that we had just the right number of troops "from the very beginning." It was after we won the war and had to hang around for the aftermath that we needed more troops. So that makes McCain wrong from the very beginning and right once the very beginning was over.

[Suzie]

But with McCain you can't know if he took that stance because he believed it or because it won him brownie points with his liberal friends.

How on earth would that view win him points with liberals who all want the troops out yesterday?

[Bluemoon_Rising]

McCain won't put up conservative nominees. His nominees will be Sandra Day O'Connors, Alitos-in-reverse.

Far as the war: I don't think any of the three would pull out at this point. We're clearly winning and they clearly see it. None of the three has any policy platform apart from finger-to-the-wind.


Judges: As I pointed out on another thread, I don't trust him much more than I do the Dems when it comes to judges. He's talking strict constructionists now, but. . . . Rudy meant it, I don't know about McCain.

War: again, I make the same point on another thread as well. No, none of them would, but Clinton or Obama would most likely undermine our posture in every other respect around the world when it comes to the ragheads in ways that I don't believe McCain ever would.

I got no beef with those who will not vote for McCain. I get it. It’s just that folks are getting real personal about it. Let’s look at the essence, the nuts and bolts. None of us are traitors or dipshits; that’s the left. We should be helping one another examine the situation.

Thanks, Jack.

[DesertFox]

How on earth would that view win him points with liberals who all want the troops out yesterday? It opposed Bush and Rumsfeld. Surely you recollect the Rumsfeld wars in the early days of the war? McCain's whole "war policy" is based on being anti-Bush.

[DesertFox]

folks are getting real personal about it. Let’s look at the essence, the nuts and bolts. None of us are traitors or dipshits; that’s the left. We should be helping one another examine the situation. Agreed. No need at all to get personal.

[Suzie]

In this case Rumsfeld was wrong because the surge did work. Rumsfeld seemed to develop a nasty habit of not listening to the troops on the ground. Many of my old Guard Association buddies were so frustrated with him towards the end and they said he wouldn't listen to the Generals at all. Truth is we don't know why McCain did it, that's true. But it was the right thing.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

I don't know if a 1994 contract-with-America redux will happen or even matter much even if it does.

Amnesty for illegals will pretty much ensure that future entitlement voting becomes institutionalized. The GOP will never get elected to an office again, any office, once that voting block dilutes the electorate.


Pretty scary, but GOPers would still get elected, there jus' wouldn't be too many of them that were conservative anymore. But McCain’s not real comfortable with the Goldwater-Reagan Republican; he’s more comfortable with the Rockefeller Republican.

[DesertFox]

In this case Rumsfeld was wrong because the surge did work. Rumsfeld was wrong about the second stage of the war. The generals were wrong about the first stage, the actual shooting part. It was only after the actual war was won that it became necessary to have more troops.

We are involved now in a police action in Iraq, rather than a war. We can call it "war" for shorthand but it's not true war because we're not opposed by the fighting force of a govt.

[Suzie]

Either way, less people are dying since the surge and the job is getting done. That's what's important to me.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Rumsfeld was wrong about the second stage of the war. The generals were wrong about the first stage, the actual shooting part. It was only after the actual war was won that it became necessary to have more troops.

We are involved now in a police action in Iraq, rather than a war. We can call it "war" for shorthand but it's not true war because we're not opposed by the fighting force of a govt.

Agree.

[Elgalad]

WHO CALLED MCCAIN THE ANTI-CHRIST?

McCain is not Anti-Christ.

Anti-Christ is going to win his election by a landslide when he runs.


-Elgalad