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Suzie
02-28-2008, 04:33 PM
Islam an unknown factor in Obama bid

Campaign downplays his connection during boyhood in Indonesia
By Paul Watson

March 16, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia — As a boy in Indonesia, Barack Obama (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/bal-candidate2008-obama,1,4423444.htmlstory) crisscrossed the religious divide. At the local primary school, he prayed in thanks to a Catholic saint. In the neighborhood mosque, he bowed to Allah.

Having a personal background in Christianity and Islam might seem useful for an aspiring U.S. president in an age when Islamic nations and radical groups are key national security and foreign policy issues. But a connection with Islam is untrod territory for presidential politics.

Obama's four years as a child in Indonesia underscore how dramatically his background differs from that of past presidential hopefuls, most of whom spent little, if any, time in other countries. No one knows how voters will react to a candidate with an early exposure to Islam, a religion that remains foreign to many Americans.

Obama's campaign aides have emphasized his strong Christian beliefs and downplayed any Islamic connection. The Illinois senator was raised "in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother," his chief spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said in a statement in January after false reports began circulating that Obama had attended a radical madrasa, or Koranic school, as a child.

"To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago," Gibbs' Jan. 24 statement said. In a statement to The Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, the campaign offered slightly different wording, saying: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim." The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center.

His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both of the schools he attended.

That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.

The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. "We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Zulfin Adi, who describes himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends.
MORE HERE (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story)

This is an older news story but someone sent it to me. The media is really trying to hide the teachings this guy has had, it seems like they try to bury it deeper the closer he gets to being elected.

MaximumSam
02-28-2008, 04:42 PM
It's nice to have a candidate who knows something about Islam.

Suzie
02-28-2008, 04:47 PM
I don't want a President that has ever in his life "bowed to Allah" :no:

MaximumSam
02-28-2008, 04:53 PM
Why is that?

Suzie
02-28-2008, 05:00 PM
Because people who do that have been trying to kill our people in his name. I am funny that way.

He has been taught their propaganda and is likely to believe what they say right up to the point where we lose several thousand more of our people just to avoid a "hate" label.

Wolfcounsel
02-28-2008, 05:05 PM
"It's nice to have a candidate who knows something about Islam." --MaximumSam

That's like saying it's nice to know a President who knows something about camel shit.


"I don't want a President that has ever in his life "bowed to Allah" :no:

Me neither. Who would want a President who bows down to a misogynistic moon god that appointed a pedophile as his prophet?

MaximumSam
02-28-2008, 05:09 PM
Hey, I'm with you. Religious people scare me, and I'm voting atheist from now on.

PaulRevere
02-28-2008, 05:20 PM
Well, in another time you'd have had plenty of opportunity to vote for Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Castro, Pol Pot, and so on ad nauseum, but today you only have faux Christians in the party of Rats who pose in churches went it is poltiically expedient.

Rhino
02-29-2008, 09:34 AM
It's nice to have a candidate who knows something about Islam.I don't discount the notion, but it isn't really necessary for one to have been Muslim, or personally exposed to Islam, in order to know something about it. Besides, despite the positions of some here, Islam itself is not really a problem nationally. Radicalism and terrorism are, and Obama's experience really doesn't give him any special insight into those.

Lubbock
02-29-2008, 09:50 AM
Despite having lived in a Muslim country for a number of years, I discovered that I didn't know one danged thing about Islam until September 11, 2001.

Suzie
02-29-2008, 09:52 AM
Despite having lived in a Muslim country for a number of years, I discovered that I didn't know one danged thing about Islam until September 11, 2001.

I feel pretty safe in saying you never bowed to Allah either. You may correct me if I am wrong. But I feel that is something I could not be more sure of without even asking.

bannerman
02-29-2008, 09:55 AM
Baraka Beelzebub Obama is too high profile... to in fact BE a former muslime and still be breathing.


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Lubbock
02-29-2008, 10:10 AM
I feel pretty safe in saying you never bowed to Allah either. You may correct me if I am wrong. But I feel that is something I could not be more sure of without even asking.

I can truthfully and safely say that no one in my Baptist-Born-And-Bred Family ever "bowed" to Islam.

I can also say that while we were in Pakistan, we were totally, one-hundred percent respectful of Islam and Muslims.

I can not say that Muslims-in-General in this nation are respectful of my religion and my way of life.

I can say that, even as an air-head teenager living in Pakistan, I understood that there was a "radical element" to Islam.

I can say that I was pretty oblivious to a lot of what Radical Islam was doing around the world, even after the first WTC bombing.

September 11, 2001 was the catalyst that made me start digging into Islam-In-General, and Radical Islam specifically.

There isn't a thin coat of paint between Islam and Radical Islam.

Not every Muslim wants to destroy Western Civilization and kill every infidel, but enough of them do, and the ones who don't remain silent.

Which starts another food fight . . .

Better stop there . . . except to say that I hope I live long enough to see Jimmy Carter's grave turned into a public toilet.

Rhino
02-29-2008, 10:31 AM
Better stop there . . . except to say that I hope I live long enough to see Jimmy Carter's grave turned into a public toilet.:lol: