Banning Viperfox?

[FreeIndividual]

I humbly ask what the reason was for the banning for Viperfox. I found many of his ideas intriguing and insightful despite the frequent use of invective.

[Neil Peart]

I humbly ask what the reason was for the banning for Viperfox. I found many of his ideas intriguing and insightful despite the frequent use of invective.I'm not a mod or an admin, but I'm pretty sure it was because of his racist remarks.

[TeenageRepublican]

He also said our leaders were Adolf Hitler, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama.
Frankly, I wanted him banned after his third thread. I'm lucky I didn't gouge out both of my eyes.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I'm not a mod or an admin, but I'm pretty sure it was because of his racist remarks.
That was certainly part of it and he was warned about them.

[Taylor1]

He also said our leaders were Adolf Hitler, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama.
Frankly, I wanted him banned after his third thread. I'm lucky I didn't gouge out both of my eyes.

How dare he state those racist/sexist/extremeist/liberalist/dumbassist/dieist remarks? Saying that to the admins here makes me want to get a bat, and break glass.

[Suzie]

FC's Policy.

Posting pornography, blatant racism, anything deemed offensive or inflammatory in your signature, offensive photographs or graphics or anything illegal will be cause for immediate banning. Keep in mind that, although we believe in freedom of speech, most conservatives adhere to basic beliefs such as family, God and a high degree of morality. We are a Christian based organization. While we welcome other religious beliefs, we will not tolerate slurs against Christianity. If you knowingly or unknowingly post material that is offensive to conservatives in general, or to a fundamental tenet of the general conservative or Christian belief structure, that material will be subject to immediate deletion or editing, with or without notice.

[TeenageRepublican]

How dare he state those racist/sexist/extremeist/liberalist/dumbassist/dieist remarks? Saying that to the admins here makes me want to get a bat, and break glass.

That's it? I wanted to write "Gay" on his shirt and leave him stranded in Iraq!

[Taylor1]

That's it? I wanted to write "Gay" on his shirt and leave him stranded in Iraq!

He'd be better off with a gay shirt in Iran, just for the record.

[federalisthoosier]

Free Speech is dead. We live in a scary new world.

Viperfox's mistake was not having the good sense to sanitize his comments from "hate" speech, which is not protected by the second amendment.

What is hate speech? When any body yelps "hate speech", that is hate speech.

Viperfox, if you are listening, America has died. Your out rage is caused by the stinking smell that permeates this country. That stinking smell is the odor from the dead corpse of America.

America has become a revived zombie of its master, the forces of political correctness. The potion to move the dead corpse into slave action is left wing kool-aid.

[TeenageRepublican]

You're casting this guy as a hero. When he was really a racist who was too full of himself!

[TeenageRepublican]

What part of "we will ban racists" did you not understand?!?!

[Neil Peart]

Free Speech is dead. We live in a scary new world.

Viperfox's mistake was not having the good sense to sanitize his comments from "hate" speech, which is not protected by the second amendment.

What is hate speech? When any body yelps "hate speech", that is hate speech.

Viperfox, if you are listening, America has died. Your out rage is caused by the stinking smell that permeates this country. That stinking smell is the odor from the dead corpse of America.

America has become a revived zombie of its master, the forces of political correctness. The potion to move the dead corpse into slave action is left wing kool-aid.Thank you for defending racism.

You know, this is Rhino's board. He pays to keep it running, and he can ban whoever he pleases. You should be happy that this board allows as much as it does. And there is no good reason to allow racist posts on here.

[federalisthoosier]

You're casting this guy as a hero. When he was really a racist who was too full of himself!

Why not tell him that. It is more cost effective to to cut off conversation by playing the hate speech card and remove the miscreant from the dialogue. By the way, dictators use this tactic all the time.

I do believe the administrators have the duty to keep the tone of this site conservative, which in my mind is respectful to all. It is just sad that opinion is so Balkanized in this country that to posit your thoughts, you must go on a site that agrees with you 99.99%

[ThomasMore]

Free Speech is dead. We live in a scary new world.

Viperfox's mistake was not having the good sense to sanitize his comments from "hate" speech, which is not protected by the second amendment.

What is hate speech? When any body yelps "hate speech", that is hate speech.

Viperfox, if you are listening, America has died. Your out rage is caused by the stinking smell that permeates this country. That stinking smell is the odor from the dead corpse of America.

America has become a revived zombie of its master, the forces of political correctness. The potion to move the dead corpse into slave action is left wing kool-aid.

Horse manure. Viperfox wasn't banned for not being PC, and the only one who has used the term "hate speech" is you. He was banned for violating board policy.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this board to post any material which is in violation of any existing and applicable laws. Offensive material will not be tolerated on this board. Posting pornography, blatant racism, anything deemed offensive or inflammatory in your signature, offensive photographs or graphics or anything illegal will be cause for immediate banning. Keep in mind that, although we believe in freedom of speech, most conservatives adhere to basic beliefs such as family, God and a high degree of morality. We are a Christian based organization. While we welcome other religious beliefs, we will not tolerate slurs against Christianity. If you knowingly or unknowingly post material that is offensive to conservatives in general, or to a fundamental tenet of the general conservative or Christian belief structure, that material will be subject to immediate deletion or editing, with or without notice.

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We value our Moderators highly, and could not do our job without them. Please treat them with respect.

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DO NOT DISRUPT THE BOARD! If your behavior disrupts the basic purpose of this board, you WILL be banned. In most cases we can offer a notice before being forced to do so, but that may not always be true.

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The administration is under no obligation to explain its reasoning or justification for enforcement of any policy, although we may do so as a matter of courtesy in certain circumstances. In other words, it's our board and it operates under our rules. We always strive to be fair, and we expend utmost efforts to avoid punitive enforcement whenever possible. However, when such enforcement becomes necessary in our judgement, we will not owe you any explanations or apologies for our actions. If you don't like that, you are free to post on some other site.


Forum Policy (http://www.freeconservatives.com/index.php?page=policy)

Hoosier, you and I are both guests in this house, as ViperFox was. Each of us must play by the rules or we must go elsewhere. That is a simple matter of courtesy, and a matter of private property. Board policy determines what is tolerated here. You don't like it, set up your own board.

Furthermore, the America you say is gone never existed. There was always speech that was prohibited, and the enforcement of some speech laws was much MORE restrictive in the past than it is today. Take a look at how aggressively sedition was prosecuted in the past compared with what it is today. Commercial speech was always regulated. Libel and copyright laws always existed. You could never "shout fire in a crowded theater."

With every right goes a responsibility: there was never a time in this country that free speech conferred a license to say anything you want, without consequences.

Finally, for what it's worth, it is the First Amendment, not the Second, that guarantees a right to free speech.

[federalisthoosier]

Horse manure. Viperfox wasn't banned for not being PC. He was banned for violating board policy.




Forum Policy (http://www.freeconservatives.com/index.php?page=policy)

Hoosier, you and I are both guests in this house, as ViperFox was. Each of us must play by the rules or we must go elsewhere. That is a simple matter of courtesy, and a matter of private property. Board policy determines what is tolerated here.

Furthermore, the America you say is gone never existed. There was always speech that was prohibited, and the enforcement of some speech laws was much MORE restrictive in the past than it is today. Take a look at how aggressively sedition was prosecuted in the past compared with what it is today. Commercial speech was always regulated. Libel and copyright laws always existed.

With every right goes a responsibility: there was never a time in this country that free speech conferred a license to say anything you want, without consequences.

Finally, for what it's worth, it is the First Amendment, not the Second, that guarantees a right to free speech.

Am I not playing by the rules?

[TeenageRepublican]

Why not tell him that. It is more cost effective to to cut off conversation by playing the hate speech card and remove the miscreant from the dialogue. By the way, dictators use this tactic all the time.

I do believe the administrators have the duty to keep the tone of this site conservative, which in my mind is respectful to all. It is just sad that opinion is so Balkanized in this country that to posit your thoughts, you must go on a site that agrees with you 99.99%

The man insulted the board owners and said the white race was the master of all races! All that he was missing was the white robe and "KKK Have A Nice Day!" printed on his backside!

[federalisthoosier]

Thank you for defending racism.

You know, this is Rhino's board. He pays to keep it running, and he can ban whoever he pleases. You should be happy that this board allows as much as it does. And there is no good reason to allow racist posts on here.

I defend his speech, not the content of his speech. I defend the right of this site to boot anyone they want, with or without reason.

[Neil Peart]

I defend his speech, not the content of his speech.There's a difference?

[ThomasMore]

Am I not playing by the rules?

You are. ViperFox wasn't.

[EveningStar]

Free Speech is dead. We live in a scary new world.
Freedom of speech applies to public speech in a public area, and even then there are limitations. It does not apply to privately owned entities.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Finally, for what it's worth, it is the First Amendment, not the Second, that guarantees a right to free speech." --Thomas More

The First Amendment is there to remind would-be dictators that the right of the people to speak out against government shall not be tampered with, since it is an unalienable right already.

The Second Amendment is there to remind would-be dictators that the Constitution, along with the Bill of Rights, will not be tampered with. Without the Second Amendment, there would be an overload of assholes who cannot recollect what is stated in the Constitution, and all of it would be moot.

Okay. Back to the topic ongoing.

[EveningStar]

On the record:

...So, here we are, 131 years since the wrong side won the Civil War...


...interracial marriages are condemned in the Bible. It was illegal in the United States up until 1967, the year liberalism, the counter-cultural revolution, and mental illness helped usher in the Brave New World of egalitarian perversion. Make of it what you will.

White people are certainly superior to other races, just as orientals are superior to others, and some blacks are to whites and American Indians. You're race-baiting point is moot, but it does speak volumes about your niggardly outlook on life...

[brilliantLiberal]

It is just sad that opinion is so Balkanized in this country that to posit your thoughts, you must go on a site that agrees with you 99.99%
Amusing, isn't that a conservative web site which demands 99.99% agreement just voted a liberal to be its poster of the month? Somebody didn't get the memo! Frankly, in retrospect, I'm not sure I agree with what I've written 99.99% of the time.
From another thread:
Invective coupled with reason and logic is a sign of passion.
I respectfully disagree. Racism is a sign of ignorance. Invective is the antithesis of logic and reason. It is used when you cannot properly form a dissenting opinion and so intend to denigrate the value of another or the value of his opinion. We once had an entire thread dedicated to the concept of passion (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=33279&highlight=passion).

[EveningStar]

I've known Viperfox online for many years. We have always maintained a friendship, despite our huge political differences.

He is also highly respected by others who do not share his political views, for his intellect and talent.

However, Viperfox did violate the forum rules. He also insulted one of the administrators. (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=648862#post648862)

You cannot do this. I know because I myself have been banned from several forums over the years for doing both those things.

[TeenageRepublican]

Amusing, isn't that a conservative web site which demands 99.99% agreement just voted a liberal to be its poster of the month? Somebody didn't get the memo! Frankly, in retrospect, I'm not sure I agree with what I've written 99.99% of the time.

I was just thinking the same thing myself. :thumb:
This is why I like this board. We actually talk about politics instead of coming up with crazy ideas like DU does.

[Lubbock]

Jeeeeze!!!

A rude, ill mannered guest --one who chews with his mouth full and picks his nose, is asked to leave the dinner table, and now he merits his own thread?

The very fact that this thread has not been closed and archived is all the proof anyone needs in order to know and understand just how tolerant the Mods and Admins at this board are.

[Wolfcounsel]

"A rude, ill mannered guest --one who chews with his mouth full and picks his nose, is asked to leave the dinner table, and now he merits his own thread?

The very fact that this thread has not been closed and archived is all the proof anyone needs in order to know and understand just how tolerant the Mods and Admins at this board are." --Lubbock



It's always good to read about the latest monkey and football game, how the monkey got the crap kicked out of it by a football, or hornet's nest. They both look alike to near-sighted bigoted primates.

[Rhino]

I humbly ask what the reason was for the banning for Viperfox. I found many of his ideas intriguing and insightful despite the frequent use of invective.Since you posted in the thread where this was discussed, you should be quite aware that he was banned for trolling. But since I suspect you may actually be Viperfox posting under another username, I can't say I'm surprised that you're feigning ignorance of that.

[DesertFox]

Viperfox's mistake was not having the good sense to sanitize his comments from "hate" speech, which is not protected by the second amendment.Dude, ViperFox was banned for bad manners more than any other single thing.

It has nothing to do with hate speech, but everything to do with common courtesy to all our members. He was gratuitously offensive. No one baited him to say the rude things he said; he just vomited them up to stir the pot. Rudeness.

That said, we DO permit some of that sort of speech anyway when germane to a topic, and the evidence that we do so is all over the site.

There is commonality between the idea of hate speech and the idea of rude speech, but they are not the same thing in all instances, and this is an instance where they are not.

ViperFox is an asshole. By his own deliberate choice. That's why he's gone.

[federalisthoosier]

"he just vomited them up to stir the pot".


I like that phraseology.

[DeclinetoState]

The first word of the First Amendment is "Congress." Free Conservatives is not Congress. It's a private forum, originally started by Warlady and now owned by Rhino.

People here disagree on a lot of things. We don't all agree on how desirable a President McCain would be. Some of us may feel that he's the best choice we have, while others may feel that he's no different from the likely Democrat nominee. Some of us may support the legalization or decriminalization of marijuana, while others believe that doing so would exacerbate the drug problem. Some would like to see Roe v. Wade repealed, and the question of abortion resolved on a state-by-state basis in a democratic fashion, while others support an outright constitutional ban on virtually all abortions. Some think that evolution is compatible with Christian thought, while others feel that it's an outright falsehood that's been rammed down our throats without much chance of critical discussion for 100 years or more.

We normally are able to disagree, sometimes bitterly, without resorting to name-calling or other forms of verbal abuse. Contrast that with some of the examples I've posted of liberals at Democratic Underground trashing each other for supporting the "wrong" liberal Democrat candidate for president.

[Taylor1]

Dude, ViperFox was banned for bad manners more than any other single thing.

It has nothing to do with hate speech, but everything to do with common courtesy to all our members. He was gratuitously offensive. No one baited him to say the rude things he said; he just vomited them up to stir the pot. Rudeness.

That said, we DO permit some of that sort of speech anyway when germane to a topic, and the evidence that we do so is all over the site.

There is commonality between the idea of hate speech and the idea of rude speech, but they are not the same thing in all instances, and this is an instance where they are not.

ViperFox is an asshole. By his own deliberate choice. That's why he's gone.

Asshole IS the right word! I think Suzie explained the rules quite fairly too.

Since you posted in the thread where this was discussed, you should be quite aware that he was banned for trolling. But since I suspect you may actually be Viperfox posting under another username, I can't say I'm surprised that you're feigning ignorance of that.

I really couldn't agree more and are thinking probably the same thing about this dude as you are at the moment.

[PrezLeefun]

I cannot for the life of me fathom why this thread is even here.
I would have thought the dozens of explanations for Viperfox's banning were suitable enough.

If you, FreeIndividual and federalisthoosier, cannot make terms with his banning then you should do a few things.

1. Read all of his posts all over again and think about what the man was saying.

2. Read all of our posts in reponse to him and think about what we were trying to say. Many of the mods (some of whom he went out of his way to insult) were very kind to him. Some complimentary, and they all gave him plenty of warning.

3. If you still cannot come to grips that the lousey racist peice of trash of got taken out, then you should a) drop the subject or b) leave yourself.

Surely Viperfox is not worth this much energy.

[Taylor1]

I cannot for the life of me fathom why this thread is even here.
I would have thought the dozens of explanations for Viperfox's banning were suitable enough.

If you, FreeIndividual, cannot make terms with his banning then you should do a few things.

1. Read all of his posts all over again and think about what the man was saying.

2. Read all of our posts in reponse to him and think about what we were trying to say. Many of the mods (some of whom he went out of his way to insult) were very kind to him. Some complimentary, and they all gave him plenty of warning.

3. If you still cannot come to grips that the lousey racist peice of trash of got taken out, then you should a) drop the subject or b) leave yourself.

Surely Viperfox is not worth this much energy.

I'm bored as hell, had to drive from south florida, to north florida, I've got energy if no one else has it.

[Gato es Verde]

I've got no room in my life for racism. Viperpox's comments were racist and I was glad to see him booted to the curb.

On the other side of the equation, having been reading for a few months here before I registered, I do see the mods and admins quick to go on the attack here.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Free Speech is dead. We live in a scary new world.
Viperfox's violated the rules of this board by posting racist comments. He agreed to abide by those rules when he logged in here for the first time.

Viperfox's mistake was not having the good sense to sanitize his comments from "hate" speech, which is not protected by the second amendment.
I see that you are ignorant of the Constitution. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with free speech. It's the First Amendment. This is a privately owned board so the First Amendment doesn't apply here any more than it applies in your private home. If someone came into my home and spouted racist remarks, I would be fully justified in expelling him from my home. If he refused to leave, I would be fully justified in calling the police to have him forcefully removed.

What is hate speech? When any body yelps "hate speech", that is hate speech.
See above. The First Amendment doesn't apply here because this is private property.

Viperfox, if you are listening, America has died. Your out rage is caused by the stinking smell that permeates this country. That stinking smell is the odor from the dead corpse of America.

America has become a revived zombie of its master, the forces of political correctness. The potion to move the dead corpse into slave action is left wing kool-aid.
It's sad that you are so ignorant of the Constitution. I suspect that you are a product of liberal-controlled government schools where they don't teach the Constitution. If you knew anything at all about the Constitution, you wouldn't have made such a fool of yourself.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: We all need to recognize that some institutions, such as military installations & school districts, have the ability to ban certain websites from being viewed on their computers. If ViperFox was allowed to continue spewing racism, FC could get itself banned in certain venues. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to continue to view FC while I'm on a break.

[Taylor1]

Viperfox's violated the rules of this board by posting racist comments. He agreed to abide by those rules when he logged in here for the first time.


I see that you are ignorant of the Constitution. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with free speech. It's the First Amendment. This is a privately owned board so the First Amendment doesn't apply here any more than it applies in your private home. If someone came into my home and spouted racist remarks, I would be fully justified in expelling him from my home. If he refused to leave, I would be fully justified in calling the police to have him forcefully removed.


See above. The First Amendment doesn't apply here because this is private property.


It's sad that you are so ignorant of the Constitution. I suspect that you are a product of liberal-controlled government schools where they don't teach the Constitution. If you knew anything at all about the Constitution, you wouldn't have made such a fool of yourself.

I'm going to go all out on liberals because of this, and seriously, LEARN YOUR CONSTITUTION

[FreeIndividual]

I cannot for the life of me fathom why this thread is even here.
I would have thought the dozens of explanations for Viperfox's banning were suitable enough.

If you, FreeIndividual and federalisthoosier, cannot make terms with his banning then you should do a few things.

1. Read all of his posts all over again and think about what the man was saying.

2. Read all of our posts in reponse to him and think about what we were trying to say. Many of the mods (some of whom he went out of his way to insult) were very kind to him. Some complimentary, and they all gave him plenty of warning.

3. If you still cannot come to grips that the lousey racist peice of trash of got taken out, then you should a) drop the subject or b) leave yourself.

Surely Viperfox is not worth this much energy.

I cannot imagine why this thread is here either. I will read all pertinent posts and think harder than ever about what you were trying to say. If my inability to grasp the issue continues, I guess I'll have to take your advice and either 1) shut up, or 2) self-terminate.

[DeclinetoState]

Shouldn't this thread be in the Members' Lounge or some other place set up for discussing board policies and issues?

[Wolfcounsel]

You are a skimmer, FreeIndividual, or else you have ignored the pertinent post that VF wrote. Not only would I have banned him, I would have washed his brain out with crap reducer, so he would at least have the bearing of a tailless primate.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Crap reducing agents are fine products, but you have to work them into the entire brain or else the problem may return worse than before.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Crap reducing agents are fine products, but you have to work them into the entire brain or else the problem may return worse than before." --Wyatt_Junker

Especially do not forget the hemorrhoids. They are attached to the brain in his kind.
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[FreeIndividual]

Shouldn't this thread be in the Members' Lounge or some other place set up for discussing board policies and issues?

You certainly have a knack for asking if a thread should be placed somewhere it's not. I like you, and don't mean that in a negative way at all, just the second time you've done so in the very short time I've been a member here.
:smirky:
I really can't believe that I've been accused of BEING ViperFox. It's hilarious and extremely disappointing at the same time.

The only reason I replied to that post suggesting that I further review past posts or possibly leave the forum is because it is completely asinine to me that I be reprimanded for asking a question, or for suggesting an idea that may be unpopular. I've never used invective, not once, in any of my posts. I have never insulted anyone. I have never said anything that could be remotely construed as racists, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, or even non-politically correct. Yet a veteran here suggests that I either do A) or B), B) being LEAVE.

This is a private forum. I respect it as such, and believe that the administration here should be able to ban users for using the letter "Z" too many times if they wish to do so.

All I've ever done, however, is express opinions without any animosity, insults, or anything of the like. Now I'm being accused of being a fraud, and being told that maybe I should just leave.

[Suzie]

Both users have the same internet service provider.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Road_Runner_%28ISP%29_Logo_With_Character_Cropped. PNG

[Taylor1]

I cannot imagine why this thread is here either. I will read all pertinent posts and think harder than ever about what you were trying to say. If my inability to grasp the issue continues, I guess I'll have to take your advice and either 1) shut up, or 2) self-terminate.

Hey freeindividual, get the hell out! You can't talk down to members like that, you are making more of an idiot of yourself, along with giving the MODS/ADMINS more reason to ban you. Oh by the way, marking DC's post with a communism sign, thats pretty low, even for someone who would dare vote in the republican party lines.

[DoctorDoom]

I really can't believe that I've been accused of BEING ViperFox.You're not. Via geolocatioin, I know where you and he live, and unless you commute a really long way, you ain't him.

As far as the banning, the decision was made by FC management based on VF's performance. It is final.

[Suzie]

There are ways to show a different IP address from another location, all sorts of websites provide those types of services. It's harder to hide the service provider you are connecting thru though.

[DoctorDoom]

There are ways to show a different IP address from another location, all sorts of websites provide those types of services.Geolocation refers to identifying the real-world geographic location of an Internet connected computer, mobile device, or website visitor. Geolocation can be used to refer to the practice of assessing the location, or it can be used to refer to the actual assessed location or locational data. Geolocation can be performed by associating a geographic location with: the Internet Protocol address, MAC address, RFID, hardware embedded article/production number, embedded software number (such as UUID, Exif/IPTC/XMP or modern steganography), invoice, Wi-Fi connection location, or device GPS coordinates, or other, perhaps self-disclosed, information.Geolocation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation)

It uses databases of geographic locations for IP numbers rather than providing the location of the ISP. For example, if one uses ARIN WHOIS (http://www.arin.net/whois/) to look up a RoadRunner IP number, it returns this:

OrgName: Road Runner HoldCo LLC
OrgID: RR**
Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road
City: Herndon
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20171
Country: US

The OrgID varies, but the address is always the same, because the numbers are assigned to RoadRunner no matter where they are in the US. Geolocation, however, will list the city and state where the RR user lives, if that information has been logged.

I'm on HughesNet, the satellite service.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/CompTech/Dish2-512.jpg

Although I'm in Massachusetts, my connection to the Net is through the NOC (Network Operation Center) in Germantown, Maryland (http://www.datastormusers.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000705;p=1). Ergo both ARIN and geolocation will put my IP number there. Ditto any HughesNet customer that uses that NOC.

There is a remote possibility of Verizon bringing DSL here this year. If I sign up, ARIN would point to the main Verizon address, but geolocation would correctly put me in MA, since that would be where my Net connection is.

It's harder to hide the service provider you are connecting thru though.Just so, but inasmuch as RoadRunner is nationwide, the best that could be expected from identifying the ISP is knowing that the IP # is in the US.

[Suzie]

True, it doesn't mean it is the same person. But they are both using the same ISP.

[DoctorDoom]

Yep. And I might use if if Time-Warner runs cable here—which is about ss likely as a Martian invasion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Entertainment/MarsAttacks.jpg

[Bluemoon_Rising]

I've got no room in my life for racism. Viperpox's comments were racist and I was glad to see him booted to the curb.

On the other side of the equation, having been reading for a few months here before I registered, I do see the mods and admins quick to go on the attack here.

Agree. Sometimes, that is. I don't think Venus should have been tossed, for example. I read her comments. They were mean, ugly, but the sarcasm was not entirely off the mark.

On the other hand, her attack on Homeschool especially was quite amazing. That was simply uncalled for. It was untrue, Twilight Zone stuff, but did not rise, in my opinion, to a banning offense. Those parties she attacked should have simply refuted her or not.

I would have responded to Venus with equal zest. I’ve been known to wield a cutting retort from time to time myself. I wouldn’t have booted her.

[Gato es Verde]

A 30 day time-out rather than a lifetime ban makes some sense to me, especially for a long time member, but hey it's Rhino's call. I'm just a simple caveman.

[Suzie]

I don't think he had been a member for a whole week, so he wasn't a long time member.

[Gato es Verde]

I don't think he had been a member for a whole week, so he wasn't a long time member.


Nah, but in reference to Bluemoon's post, Venus certainly was.

[Suzie]

Nah, but in reference to Bluemoon's post, Venus certainly was.

She has been banned once before when she was known as Venus, and was allowed to come back as Venus de Smile o.

[CONSERVATIVE HERO]

You certainly have a knack for asking if a thread should be placed somewhere it's not. I like you, and don't mean that in a negative way at all, just the second time you've done so in the very short time I've been a member here.
:smirky:
I really can't believe that I've been accused of BEING ViperFox. It's hilarious and extremely disappointing at the same time.

The only reason I replied to that post suggesting that I further review past posts or possibly leave the forum is because it is completely asinine to me that I be reprimanded for asking a question, or for suggesting an idea that may be unpopular. I've never used invective, not once, in any of my posts. I have never insulted anyone. I have never said anything that could be remotely construed as racists, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, or even non-politically correct. Yet a veteran here suggests that I either do A) or B), B) being LEAVE.

This is a private forum. I respect it as such, and believe that the administration here should be able to ban users for using the letter "Z" too many times if they wish to do so.

All I've ever done, however, is express opinions without any animosity, insults, or anything of the like. Now I'm being accused of being a fraud, and being told that maybe I should just leave.
What reason is there to continue on with this? You asked a question and it was answered. The answer might not be to your liking, but none the less, it was answered. Do you really believe you'll be able to influence people to the point of producing a revocation of the ban (and please don't pretend that's not the purpose of your thread and replies)?

As for the accusations of being VP, it's perfectly understandable, as the appearance of a "new" and self-proclaimed "objective" dissenting voice, which coincidentally coincides a banning, stating justice was not done to a poster they felt contributed 'intriguing and insightful ideas,' is nothing new and almost always the same person under another name (or a friend of theirs). On another site I once frequented a poster who was trolling was actually given his own forum in order to accommodate him and reduce his spamming and thread-jacking. Not content (as if a troll could ever be such) he continued spamming and thread-jacking elsewhere until he was banned. Three or four new posters soon appeared claiming to be objective third parties, individuals who'd simply read the forum before but weren't inclined to participate, that is, until witnessing the "unjust" banning of a quality poster left them feeling obligated to speak out.

/Yawn. Seriously, it's old hat mate.

And when are people going stop using propaganda terms like "homophobe?" Are you really so deranged as to believe it's the opponent of homosexuality who's sick, ill, or suffering from a psychological disorder for choosing not to be comfortable with depravity? If you oppose child molestation does that make you a "pedophobe?" I can only conclude any aversion to acts of terrorism on your part are symptoms of "islamophobia," and the result of your own repressed, latent urges to explode in a crowd of Jews yourself? :rolleyes:

[EveningStar]

Agree. Sometimes, that is. I don't think Venus should have been tossed, for example. I read her comments. They were mean, ugly, but the sarcasm was not entirely off the mark.

On the other hand, her attack on Homeschool especially was quite amazing. That was simply uncalled for. It was untrue, Twilight Zone stuff, but did not rise, in my opinion, to a banning offense. Those parties she attacked should have simply refuted her or not.

I would have responded to Venus with equal zest. I’ve been known to wield a cutting retort from time to time myself. I wouldn’t have booted her.

Wow. I didn't realize Venus had been banned again.

[DesertFox]

Venus had it coming. She wasn't ugly in just one post, but several over a period of time. As mentioned above, this wasn't the first time, and she was cautioned a number of times and chose to barge ahead, basically flipping off everyone else.

Her own fault, just as ViperFox's own fault. Free and spirited and passionate debate is fine. It's why we're here. We don't, however, need assholes.

[Lubbock]

Venus had it coming. . . .

I don't know what got into Venus. She could be one of he more lucid and articulate guests one minute, and an absolute loon in attacking people the next.

Never saw anything to beat it.

[Rhino]

Shouldn't this thread be in the Members' Lounge or some other place set up for discussing board policies and issues?Good point. Done.

[Taylor1]

I don't know what got into Venus. She could be one of he more lucid and articulate guests one minute, and an absolute loon in attacking people the next.

Never saw anything to beat it.


Same here, BY THE WAY I'm using Time Warner or brighthouse networks ATM up here in north florida, I'll be going back home tomorrow though.

[Rhino]

You certainly have a knack for asking if a thread should be placed somewhere it's not.Standard practice. Threads get placed in the wrong forum all the time, and we regularly move them to the correct forum.

I really can't believe that I've been accused of BEING ViperFox.I have seen no such accusation, merely suspicions.

[EveningStar]

I don't know what got into Venus. She could be one of he more lucid and articulate guests one minute, and an absolute loon in attacking people the next.

Never saw anything to beat it.
FC has several great posters that a forum owner would give his right nut to have. Venus was one of them.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

They can have her.

[Suzie]

And keep his nut? :lol:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

:thumb: :lol:

[TeenageRepublican]

FC has several great posters that a forum owner would give his right nut to have. Venus was one of them.

I think the right one was wooden anyway... :rotflmbo:

Venus turned Exorcist on us.

[ThomasMore]

Venus turned Exorcist on us.

Wait...I thought the exorcist was the good guy.

But that's probably not what you meant, TR.

http://www.liderdigital.com/imagenes/noticias/foto2/Exorcist.jpg

[TeenageRepublican]

Fine. Turned Linda Blair on us. Nyah.

[CzechPrince]

Agree. Sometimes, that is. I don't think Venus should have been tossed, for example. I read her comments. They were mean, ugly, but the sarcasm was not entirely off the mark.

On the other hand, her attack on Homeschool especially was quite amazing. That was simply uncalled for. It was untrue, Twilight Zone stuff, but did not rise, in my opinion, to a banning offense. Those parties she attacked should have simply refuted her or not.

I would have responded to Venus with equal zest. I’ve been known to wield a cutting retort from time to time myself. I wouldn’t have booted her.

Venus was banned?!!??

What a shame, I really liked her postings (most of them anyway)

I've never gotten nasty with anyone who didn't deserve it.:evilgrin:

[EveningStar]

They can have her.
I understand, Homes. :)

Yes, I did check her last posts and she was nasty to you.

Venus and I were among the first 100 members of FC. Venus even preceded me.

I think it's sad that she resorted to that. :(

[DeclinetoState]

Wasn't Venus at one time an administrator or moderator?

I wonder if anyone has ever set up a forum and eventually been banned from it. It's kind of like a corporation's founder eventually being fired by the firm (which has happened a number of times).

[Suzie]

It would be hard to do that if they owned the place, Somebody always has to pay the bill. This software has a license to be renewed every year and there is rent for the server space. If Rhino don't pay there is no board. :lol:

[Naturalized-Texan]

Wasn't Venus at one time an administrator or moderator?
She was an Administrator.

[EveningStar]

Wasn't Venus at one time an administrator or moderator?
Both.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

From what I understand, Ron Paul used to be an okay congressman, but then he went nuts too. :smirky:

[Suzie]

:lol: But then some maintain it for a lifetime... :whistle:

[Gato es Verde]

From what I understand, Ron Paul used to be an okay congressman, but then he went nuts too. :smirky:

Really the problem with Ron Paul's 2008 campaign - good advisors can really help sharpen a candidate, bad advisors can run a campaign into the ground, but the only advisors Paul has are the voices in his head.

[MaxLoad]

Interesting ...
Regarding VF, he and I joined about the same time.
I read a few of his posts and found them crude, crass, yet lucid. He had a way with words, but they all carried a disease.

I chose very early on, to NOT dignify any of his remarks with a comment in any of his threads. They were difficult to read.
Life is too short to spend time on miscelaneous drivel.

I was additionally 'put off' by his tagging the posts with the rebel flag. I was waiting for the white hood and burning cross to appear!

[PrezLeefun]

^^^I don't mind the confederate flag anymore, not the way I used to (I used to hate it). But this guy was excessive and the content of his posts made that action take on new meaning (or in my case an old one). There is a difference between Southern Pride, and hating America and that guy hated this country and anything that resembled reason.

[garlicguy]

From what I understand, Ron Paul used to be an okay congressman, but then he went nuts too. :smirky:

If I had brought up that name in a positive way here, would this thread have to be moved to Fantasy land?:question:

[Suzie]

If I had brought up that name in a positive way here, would this thread have to be moved to Fantasy land?:question:

Well that would be a fantasy.

[garlicguy]

Well that would be a fantasy.

Oh. Does this mean that only certain people can freely use any name in any forum, but when others do so it constitutes a thread jack?

Just trying to map out the smoke and mirrors of this place, you understand, of course....

[Suzie]

This whole thread was moved out of political for being off topic so what's your point? We move things all the time that don't belong where they were.

[garlicguy]

This whole thread was moved out of political for being off topic so what's your point? We move things all the time that don't belong where they were. Hardly the same as being called a threadjack...

Earth to Suzie: Are you really that dense, or just being difficult because I staunchly support someone who wishes to end the unnecessary conflict before your husband gets wounded or worse? Talk of withdrawal kills no one - that is an absolute myth fostered by the military-industrial complex -AND- a withdrawal is a TRULY Conservative ideal. (Conserve: not to waste resources for the benefit of a few elites - you know, Republican: the Party of We the People?)

Now, once more, this time for the camera:
Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by Suzie http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/images/pdfus/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=653483#post653483)
Well that would be a fantasy
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
Does this mean that only certain people can freely use any name in any forum, but when others (such as me, garlicguy) do so, it constitutes a thread jack?

How about a straight answer, (especially in light of your comments toward me in this regard, c'mon be good example)?

A simple yes or no would be good...:biggrin:

gg

[Suzie]

The owner of this site set up a forum because he didn't want those things in his main forum (this is not the main forum) and instructed his staff to move them there instead of just getting rid of YOU. He could have banned you but instead he gave you your own little place so it didn't show up on the front page of his site. So if you want to talk about who is dense I would suggest you remember that or at least try to let it soak in and quit complaining.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

When I am wrong, I will own up to it. It's my fault. I take full blame and responsibility for this. I thought I was making a funny joke, and I should have known better than to use the reference to RP. Again, I take the ENTIRE blame for this, and ask you to forgive me. It will not happen again.

[Suzie]

This thread isn't in the main forum Homes you didn't do anything wrong. The political forum is what he wanted sanitized. We can talk about anything we want in the lounge, this isn't even a political thread. It's a complaint.

[Lubbock]

Hey, Homes. Have you read any good books lately?

[Suzie, don't smack me. If figure if we're going to burn bandwidth, we might as well make it count for something.]

[Suzie]

My server has plenty of bandwidth. :biggrin:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Hey, Homes. Have you read any good books lately?

[Suzie, don't smack me. If figure if we're going to burn bandwidth, we might as well make it count for something.]

Yes, actually!

Just finished Clive Cussler's "Vahala Rising" and am now on another of his "Iceberg". Am really getting into his books, they're fun.

Still working my way through "An Inconvenient Book" by Glenn Beck.

Finished the final Vince Flynn that I had gotten from the Library "Consent to Kill" and now waiting on the final book that just came out. I think I'm 36 on the Library waiting list.

I need to place a new order for books, actually, this latest one (Iceberg) and another Cussler I have, belong to a friend who lent them to me. I'll need more than two books to tide me over, as I read fast, and usually keep a book in several locations, so I can read whenever and wherever I am.

How about you, Lub? Any interesting books you can recommend?

[Neil Peart]

I think I'll get into the books discussion.

Right now, I'm reading Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. It's very good at describing economic principles in layman's terms, and is making me dislike socialists more.

I'm also reading The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible.

[Lubbock]

I'm working on a John Sanford and a Stuart Woods right now.

I've never read Clive Cussler, but I'm going to give him a try.

Think I mentioned to you that my sister-in-law in Oklahoma has an exchange book store. I'm going there next week, so I'll give the shelves a good combing for Cussler and Flynn.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:question: Clive :cuss:ler?

[garlicguy]

The owner of this site set up a forum because he didn't want those things in his main forum (this is not the main forum) and instructed his staff to move them there instead of just getting rid of YOU. He could have banned you but instead he gave you your own little place so it didn't show up on the front page of his site. So if you want to talk about who is dense I would suggest you remember that or at least try to let it soak in and quit complaining.

's a bit harsh, isn't it Suze? Threatening the ban 'cause someone disagrees with you?

Does this mean you don't know if the answer is yes or no? :rotflmbo:

gg

[garlicguy]

When I am wrong, I will own up to it. It's my fault. I take full blame and responsibility for this. I thought I was making a funny joke, and I should have known better than to use the reference to RP. Again, I take the ENTIRE blame for this, and ask you to forgive me. It will not happen again.

Sorry Hms! I didn't realize that Suzie would go off the deep end on this.

I should've left it alone. Seems there's some undercurrent around FC that has little to due with governmental politics.

Ah, well. Another attempt at not-taking-ourselves-so-danged-seriously has gone afoul....:sad:

g

[Suzie]

I think everyone here is aware that you are the one already in the deep end. All I have been telling you is that you do not know the guidance the owner of this site has given his staff, in other words you are bitching at people doing what they have been told to do by the owner. The owner can allow anything he wants including who can continue to participate and what is posted and where. He lets you post your Paul stuff in a forum he set up for it and tells us to keep it out of the real political discussions. This thread is not a political discussion. Rhino named the forum himself so that should give you a clue. What part of that do you not understand? I can't be any clearer and regardless of what you think I am perfectly calm and just trying to explain this so you are capable of understanding it. I guess that's not possible, I wont make the mistake of trying any further.

[TeenageRepublican]

Reading Viperfox's posts made me do this a couple of times:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w264/RengokuWii/Fun%20pics/avatar_1218.gif

[garlicguy]

I think everyone here is aware that you are the one already in the deep end. All I have been telling you is that you do not know the guidance the owner of this site has given his staff, in other words you are bitching at people doing what they have been told to do by the owner. The owner can allow anything he wants including who can continue to participate and what is posted and where. He lets you post your Paul stuff in a forum he set up for it and tells us to keep it out of the real political discussions. This thread is not a political discussion. Rhino named the forum himself so that should give you a clue. What part of that do you not understand? I can't be any clearer and regardless of what you think I am perfectly calm and just trying to explain this so you are capable of understanding it. I guess that's not possible, I wont make the mistake of trying any further.

Was that a 'yes' or a 'no'?

[Naturalized-Texan]

Viperfox was a racist. That's all that is necessary to be banned.

[garlicguy]

Viperfox was a racist. That's all that is necessary to be banned.

:tinhat:Was this a news flash you felt suddenly compelled to share, Tex?:smack:

My question for Suzie has only to do with what constitutes or defines a Thread Jack (not a misplacement in a forum, not a banning) that gets a thread yanked out of another forum and into the Fanatasy FootPaul Forum. Here is the question again:

Is the mere use of the name Ron Paul sufficient, or is that only the case if certain posters do it?

She's having trouble with my request for a single syllable answer, though, so I was going to let it go - that is until you posted the above gem (one of your more lucid efforts, IMHO). :devil: And as for that, Yup! Seems to be done deal, settled law, buh-bye VF.
:deadhorse::votebush::hitdonkey:


To infinity and BEYOND!!!!>>>>>>:knight:

:lovu: gg :biggrin:

[Rhino]

Was that a 'yes' or a 'no'?Maybe.

[Lubbock]

That's two syllables.

He asked for one . . .

[Gato es Verde]

's a bit harsh, isn't it Suze? Threatening the ban 'cause someone disagrees with you?

Does this mean you don't know if the answer is yes or no? :rotflmbo:

I'm an absolute damned nobody on this forum but I know one thing - it is Rhino's forum. Your right to free speech isn't guaranteed here.

From Hoosiers:
Look, mister, there's... two kinds of dumb, uh... guy that gets naked and runs out in the snow and barks at the moon, and, uh, guy who does the same thing in my living room. First one don't matter, the second one you're kinda forced to deal with.

You're in Rhino's living room. He can do whatever he wants because its his - including showing you, me, viperfox ... whoever the door.

[garlicguy]

Maybe.
:biglaugh:

[garlicguy]

I'm an absolute damned nobody on this forum but I know one thing - it is Rhino's forum. Your right to free speech isn't guaranteed here.

From Hoosiers:
Look, mister, there's... two kinds of dumb, uh... guy that gets naked and runs out in the snow and barks at the moon, and, uh, guy who does the same thing in my living room. First one don't matter, the second one you're kinda forced to deal with.

You're in Rhino's living room. He can do whatever he wants because its his - including showing you, me, viperfox ... whoever the door.

Hey there, Green Cat.

Don't sweat it - this thread hasn't even made it to Flame Wars. Yes, it belongs to Rhino and, Yes, he and his team can run it anyway they wish - I am well aware of this and we've been down that road.

I was merely trying my darnedest to get through to a certain Administrator to make the point that there ought to be two sides to any story and that intelligent debate ought to be part of Intelligent Design without all the unnecessary manipulating that sometimes goes on. But that's human nature.

You may have noticed I didn't feel it necessary to get between you and DoctorDoom, nor to explain the forum to you in that thread. Maybe you'd consider butting out on that issue here, since you're not helping anything.

As for Rhino, Suzie, Doom and the others - don't worry about them - they really can and do take care of FC and trolls without any help from :buttkiss:kissups.

:lolbang:

gg

[Gato es Verde]

You may have noticed I didn't feel it necessary to get between you and DoctorDoom, nor to explain the forum to you in that thread. Maybe you'd consider butting out on that issue here, since you're not helping anything.

As for Rhino, Suzie, Doom and the others - don't worry about them - they really can and do take care of FC and trolls without any help from :buttkiss:kissups.


Kissup? Me? Clearly you aren't paying attention.

I just say what I think and I don't whine about the responses I get. You should think about stopping the whining. It gets tiresome.

[garlicguy]

Kissup? Me? Clearly you aren't paying attention. Now just where did I call you a kissup? :biggrin: Guilty conscience?

I just say what I think and I don't whine about the responses I get. You should think about stopping the whining. It gets tiresome.

Pot...kettle.

Now it's my turn Greeny: Kiss my big white American arse, eh? :biggrin:

[PrezLeefun]

Die thread.....DIE.

[TeenageRepublican]

1 in 8 threads die a slow miserable death. Just pull the damn plug already...

[BuckeyeMike]

I'm witchew Prez!

[Rhino]

Well, we could move the thread to The Vault and claim it was "in the interest of preserving Viperfox's privacy". :rotflmbo:

[MSGT]

Die thread.....DIE.:yeahthat::lock::lock::lock::lock:: lock::lock:

[UnkHiram]

I was a big fan of Clive Cussler until his son started writing the books under his name.

I am a total addict on the Stuart Wood books although to be honest I did not care for the last on.

Love Vince Flynn

(Keeping the thread limping along)

[garlicguy]

:ignore:


:banghead:


:surrender:

:hang:
:thankyou:

:closed:

[Gato es Verde]

http://ratonland.org/img/articles/bunny-pancake.gif

[Rhino]

Now on to the most important point of contention. Can an American really have an arse? Aren't those confined to Brits? :lol:

[garlicguy]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-cat-downloads-brain-chess-sweatshirt.jpg

[Neil Peart]

http://funnycatsitethatyoushouldvote5on.ytmnd.com/

[Lubbock]

I am a total addict on the Stuart Wood books although to be honest I did not care for the last one.

I'm an addict as well [maybe we need rehab].

What is the title of his latest?

Don't know if I've read it.

[UnkHiram]

Lubbock

Wood's last book was "Shoot him if he runs"

[garlicguy]

I just picked up TERM LIMITS by Vince Flynn (http://www.vinceflynn.com/termlimits.html) because the plot seems highly intriguing in the day off falsely-flagged elected officials.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

gg, you need to read all the other Flynn books too, they're really good.

[Lubbock]

Thanks, Unk.

I'm leaving for Oklahoma tomorrow to visit my sister-in-law. I'll see if she has it in her book store.

I'm definately going to get my hands on as many Vince Flynn books as she has in stock.

[This Thread is what's known as making Lemonade out of Lemons.]