If you haven't heard it yet you will. Rev. Wright's Sermons [Archive]

Kathy30

03-13-2008, 12:27 PM

...and what exactly is the black value system? Does it have anything to do with the young black kid who was arrested for the murder of the UNC student body president?

Just asking...

Yes. There is an undercurrent in the inner city blacks that may or may not be shared by middle or high class black people, I don't know. This undercurrent (you saw it during the OJ trial) is that blacks should get a pass on any criminal activity as justice for what was done to them. There is also a feeling that non-blacks are not capable, nor should they permitted, ever to pass judgement on a black person.

There was an incident just a couple of months ago, of a violent home invasion robbery. The homeowner defended himself, and although wounded, he shot and killed one of the invaders. Nothing happened to the homeowner. The family of the slain robber was demanding that the homeowner be prosecuted for murder. They could not believe that their son could be shot and killed like that and nothing happen to his killer. That's the mindset NOW, although it was not always there.

buzzthepug!

03-13-2008, 12:59 PM

There is also a feeling that non-blacks are not capable, nor should they permitted, ever to pass judgement on a black person.

It's awful that a white person is called racist for disagreeing with a black person. I never had a thought to whether a person is black, white, Asian, gay, etc, prior to the profitable race baiters and gay mafia. Now I think about the upteen different consequences that could ensnare me if I interact with a black person, gay person and, sorry to say, a Mexican person. This makes me definitely not want to work with these individuals. I refuse to work with others who legally force me to walk on eggshells. F that!!!!!

I'd like to take this time to personally thank the libs who gave me no other choice than to distance myself from the above groups of people.

buzzthepug!

03-13-2008, 12:59 PM

hey! Why aren't black people in America super angry at the Africans who put them in chains and on a boat for money??

DesertFox

03-13-2008, 01:03 PM

Because those black people weren't to blame. Don't ask how, they just weren't and it's racist to ax.

buzzthepug!

03-13-2008, 01:09 PM

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I've been wondering for 200 years.

Gato es Verde

03-13-2008, 01:33 PM

It's funny to watch Democrats beat each other over the head with the N-word. Their moral high-ground long since abandoned.

Geraldine Ferrarro went postively Michael Richards the other night. Bill Clinton's "first black President" moniker will never be suggested again. The race-baiters are all baiting each other... positively genius.

I'm certain ... somewhere tonite in America (in my best Johnathon Edwards voice), some down-trodden liberal is blaming George Bush for this too.

CONSERVATIVE HERO

03-13-2008, 01:38 PM

Is denouncing the statements going to be enough, given that the obamination still attends that Church? I don't think so. The obamination has attended that Church for years, if he denounces them now it will only be a political move that won't work.
I believe you underestimate the stupidity of the sheeple. He will lie to the faces of his supporters and they will accept it with glee and continue to support him. If qualities like honesty, substance, or even this issue, were important to them they'd never have supported him in the first place. Obama's radical racist church is nothing new.

Also, being that much of his support is from younger voters who received an education virtually devoid of the actual philosophies and principles upon which America was founded, he could literally sell them unadulterated communism as "getting back to our constitutional roots," and they'd not know any better. In fact that's essentially what the left does every election. They sell communism as "equality," "anti-hate," "freedom," "tolerance," etc., and people can't get enough of it, and even gleefully turn over their very children to the bastards of the pinko left to be groomed into socialism, perversion, and expatriation.

PrezLeefun

03-13-2008, 01:38 PM

Oh shit.

Listen. To. This.

Barrax pastor...

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That guy is a nut. And a hypocrite and he doesn't even realize it. I would have walked out of that "church".

He is no better than a KKK leader.

CONSERVATIVE HERO

03-13-2008, 02:15 PM

hey! Why aren't black people in America super angry at the Africans who put them in chains and on a boat for money??
They argue that it was not their fault because white people created the slave trade. Basically, had white people not created a market for slavery, they'd have never participated in it. It's just another BS excuse to exempt themselves from personal responsibility for their choices/actions. This would be like me asserting that should I shove you off of a cliff, it's not my fault for murdering you, but rather that it's nature's fault (as had nature not formed the cliff I'd have never been able to push you off of it). It's like arguing that it's not their fault for stealing your car because they'd have never been able to do so had a market for automobiles not been created by whites.

It also serves to maintain the myth of "black unity" and the erroneous perception that the greatest threat to blacks is "whitie." Just look at present day Africa. The biggest exploiter and murderer of blacks there, as well as in America, is other blacks. Instilling fear of and blaming "whitie" keeps them in bondage to their Mugabes and Jesse Jacksons.

It's just one more way shady blacks blame others for their own evils. In reality, they're even more despicable than the white slavers, as they exploited and profited off of stabbing their very own in the back. Perhaps it's God's justice that has seen those they betrayed into subjugation now generally enjoying a quality of life infinitely better. Of course you can count on blacks never failing to overlook the fact they ended up astronomically better off under "whitie's" rule, his laws, and his Christian philosophy.

*Insert*
Oh, another thing that gets me is that only whites, and especially Americans, are ever blamed it seems. Never mind the other nations which participated in the slave trade, or the arab muslims, who practice slavery of Africans still to this day.

DesertFox

03-13-2008, 02:38 PM

It's just one more way shady blacks blame others for their own evils. In reality, they're even more despicable than the white slavers, as they exploited and profited off of stabbing their very own in the back. Perhaps it's God's justice that has seen those they betrayed into subjugation now generally enjoying a quality of life infinitely better. Of course you can count on blacks never failing to overlook the fact they ended up astronomically better off under "whitie's" rule, his laws, and his Christian philosophy. The tone of this post leaves something to be desired. I don't think you realize, CH, that there's more difference between the blacks in Africa, ranging from the sub-five-foot pygmies to the seven-foot Watutsis, than between American blacks and American whites who descend from forebears in America. Congolese people are heavily muscled, heavy boned and flat nosed; the Masai out of Kenya are slender and small boned while the Nubians below Egypt have finely chiseled facial features.

To speak of Africans as if they are all alike, all brothers, all thinking pretty-much the same way, betrays abysmal ignorance of Africa. Those on the West Coast who sold into slavery others from the East Coast or the South or the North, were no more closely-related to them than to you or me.

DeclinetoState

03-13-2008, 02:51 PM

ColonialMarine0431

03-13-2008, 02:53 PM

Silly white people. Dontcha know that a minority can say whatever he/she feels about whitey, and get a free pass.

Besides, the MSM is too busy falling all over themselves to get the latest Spitzer dirt.

BuckeyeMike

03-13-2008, 03:03 PM

Just finished watching this schmuck.........NOW can I use the N-word?

CONSERVATIVE HERO

03-13-2008, 03:13 PM

The tone of this post leaves something to be desired. I don't think you realize, CH, that there's more difference between the blacks in Africa, ranging from the sub-five-foot pygmies to the seven-foot Watutsis, than between American blacks and American whites who descend from forebears in America. Congolese people are heavily muscled, heavy boned and flat nosed; the Masai out of Kenya are slender and small boned while the Nubians below Egypt have finely chiseled facial features.

To speak of Africans as if they are all alike, all brothers, all thinking pretty-much the same way, betrays abysmal ignorance of Africa. Those on the West Coast who sold into slavery others from the East Coast or the South or the North, were no more closely-related to them than to you or me.
Hmmm. :question:

I didn't intend to come across as believing all blacks are the same. To the contrary I noted the myth of "black unity," as in some mythical current, or past, state of universal black harmony (ideological or otherwise), which seems often pushed by the racial extremists/separatists. I reject the notion of some universal black "brotherhood." When such rigid concepts of ethno-ideological uniformity, a belief that to be a certain race requires loyalty to a certain ideology, are practiced by whites, they're called neo-nazis. If "black unity" does or has ever existed, it seems to me its adherents should view the black participants as even more reprehensible, as they were selling their own "bruthas" into slavery.

My other comments about black on black violence are in regard to whites, it seems to me, often being portrayed by some (especially racial) black leaders as the greatest evil or threat to blacks that exists. It's simply not true. I didn't mean to imply they're all the same, rather that in both places, other blacks (not whites) are the biggest threat/danger/harm/etc., to blacks.

PrezLeefun

03-13-2008, 03:21 PM

Just finished watching this schmuck.........NOW can I use the N-word?

Dont let me stop ya......

BuckeyeMike

03-13-2008, 03:27 PM

....................mmmmmph.....&^$*&*&#@&^*&&#&^*#.........nah....I gots more class than that son of a bitch!!! Effen...nnnnnn........nope.

Thanks for the pass anywho Prez!

The_Fireman

03-13-2008, 03:31 PM

DF has a point, but it's obscured when blacks refer to themselves as African-Americans (as if Africa were one place where everyone was pretty much the same), and when blacks celebrate Kwanzaa, an east African holiday probably entirely unknown in many other parts of the continent.I dont even believe that Kwanzaa is an east African holiday.I believe that it is a phony holiday made up in 1966 by a convicted criminal named Ron karanga.

DoctorDoom

03-13-2008, 03:32 PM

The tone of this post leaves something to be desired. I don't think you realize, CH, that there's more difference between the blacks in Africa ...All very true, but how many "African-Americans" (most of whom couldn't find Africa on a world globe) have clue one about it? Their "leaders" keep them ignorant and in thrall to liberal lies. If they knew what goes on in the REAL Africa rather than swallowing the politically correct mythology about Africa, they'd be appalled.

MrSanity

03-13-2008, 04:02 PM

More "Wright Stuff"

[Snip]Racism is alive and well. Racism is the American way.Racism is how this country was founded, and how this country is still run.

[Snip]America is still the number one killer in the world.

[Snip]We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority. And believe it more than we believe in God.

[Snip][W]e supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians, and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic.

[Snip][We] started the AIDS virus, and now that it is out of control we still put more money in the military than in medicine. More money in hate than humanitarian concerns.

[Snip]Everybody does not have access to health care. I don’t care what the rich white boys in the Senate say.

[Snip]And, and, and… in light of these in fact God has got to be sick of this shit!Lately, I'm wishing this man would just come out of his closet and throw on his Black Panther robe for a photo shoot with Hussein-o-bama.

But, um... Jeremiah Wright won't make much press until the GOP grows some genitals for a change.

BarkleUSA

03-13-2008, 05:07 PM

....kinda makes me wonder just what it is Obama is "hoping" for and just what "change" he has in mind. You can't spend 20 years listening to this racist crap and not have some deep demented psychosis against "whitey".

Reverend Wright is a cartoon character - much like John Wayne Gacy was a cartoon character. Wright's mindset is no different then Mohamed Atta's, only he uses skin pigmentation and Atta used a Boeing 757. Hillary is all about greed and power, that I can at least understand. Obama is about a much deeper, malevolent agenda... I'm convinced if it comes down to McCain or Obama - we should probably vote for McCain.

'nuff said.

buzzthepug!

03-13-2008, 06:10 PM

Desert Fox, I hope I haven't offended you.

Gonzo67

03-13-2008, 06:11 PM

If you listen to his words you see what kind of manipulator he is...

He claims "Hilary was not raised as a black boy in a single parent home..."

Yet he neglects to inform the people listening of the fact that Barak's "Single Parent" was a WHITE woman. He had a BLACK father and a WHITE mother. And it was the BLACK FATHER who bailed on his BLACK VALUES and left his BLACK SON in the care of his now single WHITE mother.

I pray that Barak's mother wises up and disowns her ungrateful BLACK BOY offspring. And I live to see the day this racist piece of shit BLACK PREACHER'S church is burned to the ground. Preferably with HIM and his CONGREGATION locked inside the building.

PrezLeefun

03-13-2008, 06:18 PM

^^^His mother is dead.

Gonzo67

03-13-2008, 06:29 PM

^^^His mother is dead.

Shows you how much the "Magic Brother" impresses me, I was not aware of that.

But if she's dead, thankfully she's been spared what her bastard of a reverse KKK spawn has become.

I hope, as a ghost, she's whiter than she was when she was alive, and comes back to haunt his black ass.

But that doesn't change the fact that this "preacher" still fails to inform the people that this "Fine upstanding BLACK man was raised by a single WHITE mother". I wonder how he would have turned out if his MOTHER had been the one to wise up and bail on him and "her baby's daddy".

BarkleUSA

03-13-2008, 07:52 PM

..based on Wright's own words, I would think he would consider Obama a useless puppet of a white mother, someone to be ridiculed and chastised as the evil offspring of a greedy rich white woman - a devil and someone to be chastised by the pure black community.

This so-called reverend's hatred of whites makes Joseph Goebels hatred of Jews seem tame in comparison.

DesertFox

03-13-2008, 08:07 PM

I ain't offended.

TeenageRepublican

03-13-2008, 08:13 PM

If this guy was white and it was the other way around, there would dead things in his lawn right about now.

Lubbock

03-13-2008, 09:03 PM

. . . You can't spend 20 years listening to this racist crap and not have some deep demented psychosis against "whitey". . .

BINGO!!!!

PrezLeefun

03-13-2008, 09:06 PM

So true TR. That is as racist a tirade as I have heard from KKK members. Actually come to think of it, I have seen KKK members with a bit more tact than that. David Duke almost never uses that kind of language.

DoctorDoom

03-13-2008, 09:54 PM

....kinda makes me wonder just what it is Obama is "hoping" for and just what "change" he has in mind.You won't hear him define them. Like all buzzword-flingers, he's selling emotion rather than reason. His clue-challenged disciples automatically assume that "change" is for the better (a subjective term even so), oblivious to the fact that change is scalar, not vectorial. The communists brought "change" everywhere they went. Islam wants to bring "change" to the Dar al-Harb.

NEVER trust a snake-oil peddler who appeals to feelings rather than thought.

Gato es Verde

03-13-2008, 11:10 PM

He's hard to take too seriously - looks like he raided Evil Knievel's closet before his sermon.

Jack_Savage

03-14-2008, 12:49 AM

The tone of this post leaves something to be desired. I don't think you realize, CH, that there's more difference between the blacks in Africa, ranging from the sub-five-foot pygmies to the seven-foot Watutsis, than between American blacks and American whites who descend from forebears in America. Congolese people are heavily muscled, heavy boned and flat nosed; the Masai out of Kenya are slender and small boned while the Nubians below Egypt have finely chiseled facial features.

To speak of Africans as if they are all alike, all brothers, all thinking pretty-much the same way, betrays abysmal ignorance of Africa. Those on the West Coast who sold into slavery others from the East Coast or the South or the North, were no more closely-related to them than to you or me.

I agree. Problem is, Williams plays on the ignorance and resentment from the idiots looking to blame somebody else so they can go out and do what they want.

Lets see what Obama and his team has to say. No matter what he says its time to organize. Everyone in their own local area, set up hardened citizen involvement groups, with phone and mailing teams keeping our elected representatives hearing from somebody other than moveon.org'ers, and Code Pinko's.

Especially with increasing acts of violence like the punks who killed those who North Carolina coed's, who sure look like they were thinking it was ok. I think Williams promotes that kind of mentality, and its gaining strength. Obama should have denounced it long ago.

Jack_Savage

03-14-2008, 12:49 AM

The tone of this post leaves something to be desired. I don't think you realize, CH, that there's more difference between the blacks in Africa, ranging from the sub-five-foot pygmies to the seven-foot Watutsis, than between American blacks and American whites who descend from forebears in America. Congolese people are heavily muscled, heavy boned and flat nosed; the Masai out of Kenya are slender and small boned while the Nubians below Egypt have finely chiseled facial features.

To speak of Africans as if they are all alike, all brothers, all thinking pretty-much the same way, betrays abysmal ignorance of Africa. Those on the West Coast who sold into slavery others from the East Coast or the South or the North, were no more closely-related to them than to you or me.

I agree. Problem is, Wright plays on the ignorance and resentment from the idiots looking to blame somebody else so they can go out and do what they want.

Lets see what Obama and his team has to say. No matter what he says its time to organize. Everyone in their own local area, set up hardened citizen involvement groups, with phone and mailing teams keeping our elected representatives hearing from somebody other than moveon.org'ers, and Code Pinko's.

Especially with increasing acts of violence like the punks who killed those who North Carolina coed's, who sure look like they were thinking it was ok. I think Wright promotes that kind of mentality, and its gaining strength. Obama should have denounced it long ago.

Kathy30

03-14-2008, 07:59 AM

The obamination has refused to comment directly but through a spokesman issued this statement:

Obama declined to comment on Wright's denunciations of the U.S., but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" today, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.
In a statement to ABC News, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58858

Apparently Wall Street Journal has already caught him in a lie.

Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up.
Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. Farrakhan "showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community." That is an understatement

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries

If the obamination main stream media is going to try to bury this, it's up to everyone who oppose these lies and sentiments to expose them.

DesertFox

03-14-2008, 08:09 AM

HomeschoolrsRUs

03-14-2008, 08:33 AM

Kathy30

03-14-2008, 09:55 AM

Jerimiah Wright retired to work full time for the obamination campaign and has been promised a spot as presidential advisor should the obamination become president.

It is absolutely frightening that this animal should be in our government.

LivingDeadGirl

03-14-2008, 09:56 AM

I listen to WLS on my way into work and there was a member of the congregation that called in and could not understand why everyone was so upset. She firmly believes that what he is saying is right!

Wyatt_Junker

03-14-2008, 10:03 AM

Barry been at that church for over 20 years. He got baptized in that propaganda, circumcized there and finally married there. And, to date, is still a member.

I can only deduce from this that Barry is still a booster of this pastor.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he also had the Battlestar Galactica outfits with capes in his closet as well, only to be worn on Kawaaaanza, once a year. Or when he goes out to eat at Shoney's.

Kathy30

03-14-2008, 10:11 AM

I listen to WLS on my way into work and there was a member of the congregation that called in and could not understand why everyone was so upset. She firmly believes that what he is saying is right!

Many people believe he is right. If so, then the obamination should be proud of his pastor and start playing his clips in his campaign spots.

Someone should. Maybe McCain will.

It would blow the Daisy commercial right out of the water.

Jack_Savage

03-14-2008, 10:35 AM

Obama's either gonna have to quit that church or quit his run at the presidency. I don't think he realizes that that church doesn't help him much at all, even among black folks; and it hurts him badly among nonblack folks.

You have made some really good points about Obama's opportunity and what he could accomplish as President in terms of healing societies relationship problems, and I agree with you. But if he is aligning himself with that kind of vile hate, and we see a side of it from his wife Michelle, then none of the opportunity's he has will be produced.

I don't think any of his tax proposals will ever get enacted especially since everyone has seen the positive results of the tax cuts, so different from the whacky days of George McGovern who proposed what Obama is proposing. Different from the stag-flation days of Jimmy and Rose-lynn, where interest rates climbed to 21%. I think his chump-stumping is directed at the illegal voters and people who only hate free enterprise, to fire up his base. But I don't know so we need to be really organized if he were to win.

He won't get elected unless he has a genuine approach to Pastor Wright and his racists attitude about America. He will need to take it head on in my opinion or, lose the Presidency. If that happens, he will have set back the hopes of many blacks who could have done alot for America. I think they will force him to really come clean on his involvement with the Church of Hate. What he was doing as a community organizer, representing the Church of Hate? What else did he do for the Church of Hate?

MrSanity

03-14-2008, 10:38 AM

You cannot attend the TUCH (Trinity United Church of Hate) for 20 years, and not have a deep-seeded hatred for your country and a vengeful outlook on whites.

Obama's associations DO MATTER. From Bill Ayers to Frank Marshall to this Judas in a holy robe.

Why?

Because nobody knows what the hell he's talking about. "Change, hope, yes we can" are not policies or worldviews. "God damn America" is a worldview, and Obama is a disciple of it. He is proud of his "spiritual life" and has not bothered for one second to distance himself from his own pastor.

Even Hitler could hide behind "change" and all the other leftist "hallelujia's" that he spouts that mean absolutely nothing.

How's this: Ask Obama why the Jews are not voting for him. Ask him why 90% of liberal blacks favor him. Ask him why Hispanics are voting for Hillary.

Or...

Ask him why he's "friendly" with Bill Ayers, the Pentagon bomber who hates America.

Ask him why he supported labor-induced abortions on babies who survived partial-birth abortion.

Ask him why his church has ties to Louis Farrakahn, that bigoted hatemonger.

Ask him how he is any different than an outed communist.

Gonzo67

03-14-2008, 01:20 PM

Compare Rev. Wright's "sermons" with that of ATLAH pastor Manning:

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Oh, I like him! Thank you Homes. You know, speaking as a white man, who does not hold faith in "organized religion" and who does not believe that to be "close to god" one must go to a church built by man, I can honestly say that I would NOT be opposed to attending his Church. And before anyone accuses me of it, it is NOT because of any "racist motivations". It's because I honestly believe he speaks the truth. He stated my feelings on issues such as "affirmative action" and the fact that the large majority of Obama's votes are for the color of his skin, NOT the content of his character.

And I'm not saying that "Black people are voting for Obama because he's black". I'm saying Black AND White people are voting for him because he's black. He's working a very powerful angle, and he's manipulating it quite well.

Black people, you need to vote for Obama, if you don't, you're a traitor to your race!

White people, you need to vote for Obama. Search your white guilt, you MUST do this because you OWE it to the black people.

But here we have a BLACK Reverend who will tell you up front:

Black people, it's time to grow up and grow a pair. Quit accepting hand outs like "affirmative action". By accepting it, you're agreeing with the rich WHITE politician when he tells you that YOU are not good enough to compete fairly with the white man for a job, so we need to give you an extra push, a little head start.

Black people, you have been marching, and protesting and complaining for hundreds of years, WHY do you still need special favoritism? Why do you still need the Jessie Jacksons, and the Al Sharptons, and the Louis Farakhan's to tell you that you are NOT good enough to compete with "whitey" on a level playing field, so you must STRUGGLE to get as many hand outs from "whitey" as you can?

The man behind that podium in Home's video is NOT a "Black Preacher" He's not an "African American". He is an American Man. He's standing in front of his congregation, in front of his community and taking responsibility for his own life and his own religion and telling his "children" that it's time they grow the hell up and do the same.

I would attend his church in a heart beat.

Suzie

03-14-2008, 01:42 PM

This should be a motivator for EVERYONE to stop this guy. Even the DNC. Barack Obama is not different than the Saudis raising and teaching their children to hate America, Barack is teaching his own children and baptizing them into a church that is teaching them nothing but hate, there is no difference. And he's been listening to this guy for over 20 years, if he didn't agree with him he would have found another church.

If this doesn't shake the very core of the voters and convince them everything possible must be done to keep him out of office this country is about to spiral into a kind of ugly like we have never seen on our soil. If he is elected we will have the far left in control of EVERYTHING, and they are the ones who think those of us alive today owe something to the black people of today for what happened when slavery was in place. We have seen this guy fill stadiums people following him like he's the second coming and it is going to destroy this country to have this man in the most powerful position in the world. All of us have seen race and religious factions make other countries unlivable. It's going to happen here if we don't stop it. Obama can't say he's been taught in Islamic schools and listened to the hate filled rhetoric of this "church" for as long as he has and not push those views in office. He's doing his best to hide it long enough for people to stand by and watch him win unchallenged, but his wife is already had a few slip ups.

We may as well elect one of the Saudi's to run this country, the level of hate is the same.

My big question... Why hasn't Hillary been playing this 24/7 since day one? Does she support it too? Or are her tactics starting to slip?

DesertFox

03-14-2008, 01:53 PM

Dude a nut case. Obama need a divorce.

edgeworth

03-14-2008, 02:07 PM

Neil Peart

03-14-2008, 02:08 PM

Suzie

03-14-2008, 02:13 PM

If Obama really didn't like the comments, he wouldn't have attended TUCC for 20 years.

And teach it to his children. Would anyone here take their kids to a sermon like this? No way, but he had his kids baptized into this man's church and donated thousands of dollars to this church.

Kathy30

03-14-2008, 02:43 PM

Sean Hannity asked the obamination's headquarters if they were going to fire Wright, (the way they demanded the Geraldine Ferraro be fired for speakng the truth). The answer was a resounding no. Rev. Wright is in the paid capacity of spiritual advisor. And you KNOW that he will continue to be spiritual advisor should we be so unlucky as to have him as president.

The_Sonarman

03-14-2008, 02:55 PM

ROTFLMAO.

I knew Obama was an America hater, as is his wife. This is just part of the pattern.

Obama has been going to this church for over 20 years, listening to this volcanic hate speech. That means he agrees with it.

This is the equivalent of Obama attending black Klan meetings.

This is not a brilliant career move for any politician.

This is just too rich.

Someone remind me why only whites can be racists, and it's "impossible" for blacks to be racists. I remember I've been told that about 50 times over the last couple decades. It sure appears to me this entire "church" is filled with racists. I am even offended calling this thing a "church".

I sure don't want to live anywhere near this particular group.

Gonzo67

03-14-2008, 03:05 PM

Though I don't agree with ANYTHING that I've heard this man say I don't think that Obama has any beliefs like this.

As stated by others, if he didn't agree with it, he would have left that church long ago.

If the pastor in YOUR church stood up at the pulpit every sermon and denounced Christianity and commanded you to accept Satan into your heart, would YOU continue to attend that Church?

Would you agree that by CONTINUING to attend that church, you are agreeing with what the pastor is preaching? If not, why would you attend a church for 20 years to listen to a man that you DON'T agree with, tearing your religion down?

Obama subscribes to this assholes ideology. He makes that clear by his attendance at this man's "church". He makes it perfectly clear by refusing to denounce this man, and to fire this man, that should he win the office, THIS will be the norm. THIS will be the doctrine he holds faith in.

This should scare the shit out of EVERYONE, white or black.

Suzie

03-14-2008, 03:42 PM

bigred1says

03-14-2008, 03:59 PM

What about his 501C3 status? Sounds to me like the man be politicin' from the pulpit.

d'urville

03-14-2008, 04:00 PM

Obama subscribes to this assholes ideology. He makes that clear by his attendance at this man's "church". He makes it perfectly clear by refusing to denounce this man, and to fire this man, that should he win the office, THIS will be the norm. THIS will be the doctrine he holds faith in.

This should scare the shit out of EVERYONE, white or black.

So far, I've this "edgeworth" character defend abortionists and Islam, now this. Barack Hussein Obama didn't "denounce" Wright, he actually defended him - again:

"I haven't seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements."

That's as weak as it could get, then:

But he defended Rev. Wright's overall record, accusing ABC News of "cherry picking" statements of the man with a 40-year career.

"There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe," he told the paper.

link (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4452990&page=1)

Kathy30 had other quotes to "judge" him on - Michelle made him join this "church", he was baptized and married by Wright as well.

PrezLeefun

03-14-2008, 05:20 PM

BuckeyeMike

03-14-2008, 05:25 PM

I've heard alot about this "pastor" and his moronic comments. Does he really think that the government CREATED the HIV virus as a means to commit genocide against african americans?! Its retards like this that are keeping racism festering in this country. Though I don't agree with ANYTHING that I've heard this man say I don't think that Obama has any beliefs like this.

Shoulda stopped at "I don't think"............'course being a liberal, that is a given..........that's why liberalism is so easy for liberals........they don't have, nor do they possess the capacity, to think.

I mean, he did denounce the comments.

Being the liberal that you are, and not possessing the capacity to think past your nose, I'll help you out...... it's called "POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY"...
.....fool! :rolleyes: (oops, 5 syllables there.....someone wanna help him out?)

.

Jack_Savage

03-14-2008, 05:26 PM

I've heard alot about this "pastor" and his moronic comments. Does he really think that the government CREATED the HIV virus as a means to commit genocide against african americans?! Its retards like this that are keeping racism festering in this country. Though I don't agree with ANYTHING that I've heard this man say I don't think that Obama has any beliefs like this. I mean, he did denounce the comments.

In that regard, he is a traditional far-left whacko. By the way you still haven't responded to the questions about what you think traditional left-wing results should be. What you carry that water for? What you personally want to have happen in supporting that kind of politics?

Cat got your tongue?

BuckeyeMike

03-14-2008, 05:31 PM

Hey Jack.....I just noticed in your avatar..........that there girl.......is holdin' a beer!!!! Sure would like ta know what it says in the balloon over her head.
Perky lil' shit though....ain't she?

Longhorn_Platinum

03-14-2008, 06:29 PM

buzzthepug!:
...and what exactly is the black value system? Does it have anything to do with the young black kid who was arrested for the murder of the UNC student body president?

Just asking...

:unsmile: You're already in violation of the black value system, for reminding us that the murderer was black. We're not supposed to know that. But it's okay to mention if he was white.

:unsmile: And if a black woman accuses rich white boys of raping her, her word is to be taken at face value, even when the evidence is overwhelming that the boys are innocent.

BuckeyeMike

03-14-2008, 06:33 PM

He's a friggin' librat LP.....he can't see the correlation.....nada......60 Hertz hummm in his head.

Longhorn_Platinum

03-14-2008, 06:33 PM

bigred1says:
What about his 501C3 status? Sounds to me like the man be politicin' from the pulpit.

:unsmile: Do you mean that little formality in the tax code that says that churches can't endorse conservatives? I don't think he's in violation of that.

Longhorn_Platinum

03-14-2008, 06:41 PM

BarkleUSA:
...Atta used a Boeing 757.

:unsmile: Actually, it was a Boeing 767-223ER.

Longhorn_Platinum

03-14-2008, 06:46 PM

The_Sonarman:
I knew Obama was an America hater, as is his wife. This is just part of the pattern.

:unsmile: He's a ticking timebomb. It's just a matter of time before he voices his true feelings about whites & about our country.

BuckeyeMike

03-14-2008, 08:19 PM

:unsmile: He's a ticking timebomb. It's just a matter of time before he voices his true feelings about whites & about our country.

I just don't want to hear it from the Oval Office.

Jack_Savage

03-14-2008, 08:23 PM

:unsmile: He's a ticking timebomb. It's just a matter of time before he voices his true feelings about whites & about our country.

I think Obama is finished with the revelations of his relationship with the white racist Rev. Wright. Actually, when his wife Michelle revealed her hatred of America, having never even liked Americans enough to find one time to be proud of this country.

Obviously he and the Reverend are friends and to now say he would have quit the church if he had heard that kind of comment before is a lie.

Now we know that his kind of hate is what he would appoint to an Obama adminsistration and infect the Oval Office with. Obama is not only stupid, we now find how shallow he is, pandering to the fraudulant racist scam. It wouldn't be firecrackers going off in celebration an Obama election it would be the sound of gunfire.

Jive talking like Arsenio Hall, while he and his wife recieved every opportunity a nation could offer, then working the streets selling resentment and hate with Reverend Wright. What a phony. Now its Barrack's turn to Give it up!

Kathy30

03-14-2008, 08:30 PM

His loyalty to his pastor was overshadowed by political expediency.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881

The pastor got tossed.

Suzie

03-14-2008, 08:34 PM

Incident_command

03-14-2008, 08:39 PM

Obama now had better hope a video or other proof of him being at a service in question does not arise.

This is a huge hit for him and I bet it shows come Pennsylvania.

And Hillary smiles

Kathy30

03-14-2008, 08:40 PM

Evidently the pastor was the head of the African American Religious Leadership committee.

What is a man who wants to be president of the entire United States doing with an African American Religious Leadership Committee? Can you picture a white guy running for president with a White Religious Leadership Committee?

This is getting freakier and freakier.

And it really does go to show, it is and was all about race.

Suzie

03-14-2008, 08:48 PM

Does anyone else think this is showing in his face? To me he is looking worn down, older even. He doesn't have that charm glow he's been putting on in the past. Heck McCain is older than dirt and been nearly beat to death at one point in his life and he doesn't look as tired as Obama does. I think as the questions get tougher and he has to talk about real things, not just his own little utopia of "change" he's going to have a hard time staying up on his feet in this fight.

TeenageRepublican

03-14-2008, 09:09 PM

Obama's screwed.

DesertFox

03-14-2008, 09:12 PM

This gut punch could take him right out of the campaign.

TeenageRepublican

03-14-2008, 09:18 PM

I hope that happens. Hillary seems like she's the easiest to beat.

Suzie

03-14-2008, 09:23 PM

Which once again brings back the question why hasn't she forced this into the light before now?

DoctorDoom

03-14-2008, 09:28 PM

Hannity has been hammering on this for weeks. It has taken this long for the MSM/DBM to pay any attention to it, no doubt in part because they created the mythology of Saint Obama and don't want to admit the screwup.

TeenageRepublican

03-14-2008, 09:30 PM

Obama might have something worst about her. Maybe they made an agreement to not say this or that. I wouldn't be surprised.
That's just my idea.

DeclinetoState

03-14-2008, 09:32 PM

Which once again brings back the question why hasn't she [Hillary] forced this into the light before now?She probably agrees with most of it.

TeenageRepublican

03-14-2008, 09:34 PM

I have a better idea:
The Race Card. Hillary's afraid of being called racist. I frankly don't blame her. One of her campaign advisors got fired for saying a fairly honest point that could be debated.
That might explain why she keeps apologizing and then insulting him and then repeats.

The_Sonarman

03-14-2008, 10:39 PM

This gut punch could take him right out of the campaign.

It should. I've seen blacks destroy people's careers for a single slip of the tongue. This guy has been hanging around with a racist for 20+ years.

We don't need either a white or a black racist President.

bigred1says

03-15-2008, 12:23 AM

Obama's spiritual mentor rides into Fort Worth on tide of controversy
By JIM JONES
STAR-TELEGRAM

Rev. Jeremiah Wright gives words of comfort to family and mourners at a funeral service for Roebuck Staples at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, in this Dec. 23, 2000, file photo. U.S. Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., on Friday, March 14, 2008, denounced inflammatory remarks from his pastor, who has railed against the United States and accused its leaders of bringing on the Sept. 11 attacks by spreading terrorism.
We can get a close-up and personal look later this month at the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., an eloquent and sometimes controversial preacher and author who is pastor to Sen. Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey.
Wright, who built Trinity United Church of Christ from a small group to a 6,000-member congregation, the largest in his denomination, will be in Fort Worth to speak at Texas Christian University's Brite Divinity School. He will accept the Black Leadership Award offered by the divinity school during its "State of the Black Church" conference March 28-29

LINK (http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/529891.html)
Shame on the Frogs.

edgeworth

03-15-2008, 09:05 AM

And teach it to his children. Would anyone here take their kids to a sermon like this? No way, but he had his kids baptized into this man's church and donated thousands of dollars to this church.

Yeah I get your point, however Obama says that he wasn't present when Wright gave these sermons.

MrSanity

03-15-2008, 09:14 AM

:unsmile: And if a black woman accuses rich white boys of raping her, her word is to be taken at face value, even when the evidence is overwhelming that the boys are innocent.I have to wonder to what length Jeremiah Wright went to defend that lying slut in his "sermon." For all we know, he probably thinks Tawana Brawley got screwed.

Suzie

03-15-2008, 09:14 AM

Yeah I get your point, however Obama says that he wasn't present when Wright gave these sermons.

And you believe that? He went to that church for 25 years how can you believe in that amount of time he never heard him say these things. He says the guy was his mentor. If you have a mentor you discuss things with them regularly. His wife has already said she thinks Americans are mean, that was probably the nicest way she could think of to say it. Take the blinders off and really look at Obama, he's about hate and he teaches it to his children. If you put him in control of this country he will try to teach it to yours.

Watch the video I posted. He still won't condemn the man for preaching these things, he's just tap dancing around what he said. If he really didn't believe it and had no idea this is what this guy (and he himself) is all about, he would say this man and what he preaches should be rejected by everyone and turn his back on him and that church. He also says he has heard him say "controversial things" just not the particular sermons on tape. So that tells you he has heard him say it other times, just not the videos being show. Tap dancing.

bannerman

03-15-2008, 09:22 AM

Which once again brings back the question why hasn't she forced this into the light before now?

Oh-Blah-Blah-Blah-Ma is hillary's designated Stalking Horse

the clintoon machine has quite a dossier on Oh-Blah-Blah-Blah-Ma

he was groomed to make hillary look good

edgeworth

03-15-2008, 09:49 AM

And you believe that? He went to that church for 25 years how can you believe in that amount of time he never heard him say these things. He says the guy was his mentor. If you have a mentor you discuss things with them regularly. His wife has already said she thinks Americans are mean, that was probably the nicest way she could think of to say it. Take the blinders off and really look at Obama, he's about hate and he teaches it to his children. If you put him in control of this country he will try to teach it to yours.

Watch the video I posted. He still won't condemn the man for preaching these things, he's just tap dancing around what he said. If he really didn't believe it and had no idea this is what this guy (and he himself) is all about, he would say this man and what he preaches should be rejected by everyone and turn his back on him and that church. He also says he has heard him say "controversial things" just not the particular sermons on tape. So that tells you he has heard him say it other times, just not the videos being show. Tap dancing.

I was simply stating what Obama said about the issue. Obama has been clear in denouncing all the reverends rants and his beliefs about America even to the very first one that was released last year. So, I take him at his word as I do all people untill I have a reason to believe otherwise. I will take your advice and watch the video and get back to you on if my feelings have changed toward him.

MrSanity

03-15-2008, 10:08 AM

I was simply stating what Obama said about the issue. Obama has been clear in denouncing all the reverends rants and his beliefs about America even to the very first one that was released last year. So, I take him at his word as I do all people untill I have a reason to believe otherwise. I will take your advice and watch the video and get back to you on if my feelings have changed toward him.Yet had no problem with his "church" recognizing Louis Farrakhan with a Lifetime Achievement Award (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXS_YrYp07Q&eurl=http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-mentor-gives-farrakhan-his-award).

d'urville

03-15-2008, 10:28 AM

I was simply stating what Obama said about the issue. Obama has been clear in denouncing all the reverends rants and his beliefs about America even to the very first one that was released last year.

What in the hell is the matter with you? Until yesterday, he was a paid advisor on Barack Hussein Obama's staff, Wright inspired one of his books.

He'd heard that sermon before:

The title of Reverend Wright's sermon that morning was "The Audacity of Hope." He began with a passage from the Book of Samuel—the story of Hannah, who, barren and taunted by her rivals, had wept and shaken in prayer before her God. The story reminded him, he said, of a sermon a fellow pastor had preached at a conference some years before, in which the pastor described going to a museum and being confronted by a painting title Hope.

"The painting depicts a harpist," Reverend Wright explained, "a woman who at first glance appears to be sitting atop a great mountain. Until you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string. Your eye is then drawn down to the scene below, down to the valley below, where everywhere are the ravages of famine, the drumbeat of war, a world groaning under strife and deprivation.

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That's the world! On which hope sits!"

And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. As the sermon unfolded, though, the stories of strife became more prosaic, the pain more immediate. The reverend spoke of the hardship that the congregation would face tomorrow, the pain of those far from the mountaintop, worrying about paying the light bill…
- "Dreams of My Father"

You're going just have to suck it up and vote for Hillary this fall.:rolleyes:

edgeworth

03-15-2008, 10:42 AM

What in the hell is the matter with you? Until yesterday, he was a paid advisor on Barack Hussein Obama's staff, Wright inspired one of his books.

He'd heard that sermon before:

- "Dreams of My Father"

You're going just have to suck it up and vote for Hillary this fall.:rolleyes:

Actually, I was planning on voting for McCain. I can't stand Hillary and Obama's policies scare me.

DesertFox

03-15-2008, 02:56 PM

I can't stand either of them, and McCain sucks eggs.

Suzie

03-15-2008, 08:01 PM

There is no way he can say he didn't know what this guy was about.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="600"> <tbody><tr><td style="padding-left: 15px;">About Us</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="padding: 15px;" valign="top"> We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
</td></tr></tbody> </table> SOURCE (http://www.tucc.org/about.htm)

edgeworth

03-15-2008, 08:11 PM

There is no way he can say he didn't know what this guy was about.

SOURCE (http://www.tucc.org/about.htm)

I don't see anything in their that is particulary racist. Oh, I did watch that video earlier and it does seem that Obama was tap-dancing around the issue a bit. So, I stand corrected.

Suzie

03-15-2008, 08:14 PM

I don't see anything in their that is particulary racist.

Take everywhere it says black and replace it with white, and change Africa to whatever European nation you choose (Germany say 1940ish) .... seem racist then?

DoctorDoom

03-15-2008, 08:25 PM

It's unlikely that even one attendee of Obamination's church has ever been to Africa, and even less likely that one of them was born there. The "African-American" bullscheiss, like any brand of Hyphen American, is loathsome. If one is not proud to be a plain, unhyphenated American, they can kiss my ass and emigrate to whatever nation or continent is more important to them than my country.

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.... A hyphenated American is not an American at all... Americanism is a matter of the spirit, and of the soul...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans...each preserving its separate nationality.... The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans.... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American."
--Theodore Roosevelt

edgeworth

03-15-2008, 08:26 PM

Take everywhere it says black and replace it with white, and change Africa to whatever European nation you choose (Germany say 1940ish) .... seem racist then?

No, as the whole philosophy of the Nazis and the spirit in which this is written are two different things. Plus, the Nazis weren't a race they were a radical political group that tried to commit genocide. Where does that fit in with anything that is said here?

Suzie

03-15-2008, 08:34 PM

No, as the whole philosophy of the Nazis and the spirit in which this is written are two different things. Plus, the Nazis weren't a race they were a radical political group that tried to commit genocide. Where does that fit in with anything that is said here?

You missed it. There are groups around today aligning themselves with that time frame and country in the name of White supremacy, I didn't say replace it with Nazi, I said replace it with white. Skin heads aren't committing genocide, but they think that period in time and that land had the correct vision of a land of white people.

If you aren't a racist your view should be of unity, not dividing yourself in the form of any country and aligning with some ancestral land that divided a race from others, and most people don't even know whether was a part of their own past or not.

edgeworth

03-15-2008, 08:41 PM

You missed it. There are groups around today aligning themselves with that time frame and country in the name of White supremacy, I didn't say replace it with Nazi, I said replace it with white. Skin heads aren't committing genocide, but they think that period in time and that land had the correct vision of a land of white people.

If you aren't a racist your view should be of unity, not dividing yourself in the form of any country and aligning with some ancestral land that divided a race from others, and most people don't even know whether was a part of their own past or not.

I agree with you, however the black church has been saying the kind of stuff that is in the UCC's staement for hundreds of years. I don't think that its necessarily racism but a pride in their heritage and a celebration of how far they've come since they were oppressed.

Neil Peart

03-15-2008, 08:44 PM

I agree with you, however the black church has been saying the kind of stuff that is in the UCC's staement for hundreds of years. I don't think that its necessarily racism but a pride in their heritage and a celebration of how far they've come since they were oppressed.The problem is, many of those dummies think that they're still oppressed.

Suzie

03-15-2008, 08:46 PM

I don't think that its necessarily racism but a pride in their heritage and a celebration of how far they've come since they were oppressed.

You just gave the speech for recruitment in the American Nazi Party.

Each of us must decide just how far we will let the situation in America deteriorate, before we decide to take action to correct it. If you have had enough, and are willing to join the ranks of your ancestors who forged this land from a wilderness teeming with savages, and to keep it from returning to that state, we urge you to become involved. For your children's sake, if not for your own. For White WORKER Power!Words can turn around and bite you depending on what side you look at it from can't they?

DesertFox

03-15-2008, 08:51 PM

the black church has been saying the kind of stuff that is in the UCC's staement for hundreds of years.Huh? What "black church" you talking about, dude? The SLC was for decades the closest thing there was to "a black church," and it never did say the kind of malicious crap coming out of the UCC.

The_Sonarman

03-16-2008, 12:16 AM

Obama is a politician.

1. He has no business hanging around a black separatist.
2. He has no business belonging to a black separatist group.
3. He has no business associating with any other black separatists.
4. He has no business doing this for some 25 years to date.

Quite frankly, I don't care why he was doing this. He was doing it. Further, I don't care what kind of justification or cleaning of his image happens from now to the election. That doesn't excuse his actions of 25 years.

Obama is "asking" me, you, all of us, to vote him President of the USA. As Potus, he is required to represent all of us. This includes male and female of all Americans, which includes whatever ethnic group you wish to name.

1. As POTUS, he has zero justification "hating" any race, sex or religious group of Americans.
2. As POTUS, he has zero justification for refusing to salute the flag during the pledge of allegiance.

As a private citizen, he can believe, speak and act as he chooses. That's protected by the First Amendment, and I don't care what he does. However, he isn't a private citizen. He chose to be a politician, and as a politician he'd best not be hanging around with the equivalent of the black KKK. That's a stupid move for any politician..... unless they belong to the Democratic Party, that is.

If this man were white, and he had such hatred against blacks, he'd be destroyed by all the blacks and the DNC.

Since he's black and has such hatred against whites, he'll be defended by all the blacks and the DNC.

Quite frankly, this man is a poor choice for President. As Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces, he's already demonstrated he's uneducated and naive in terms of The Real World.

I'd vote for Dr. Walter Williams or Dr. Thomas Sowell in a minute.... both brilliant conservative Americans who just happen to be black.

Longhorn_Platinum

03-16-2008, 07:21 AM

The_Sonarman:
Obama is "asking" me, you, all of us, to vote him President of the USA. As Potus, he is required to represent all of us.

:unsmile: And up until a week ago, that's what he was claiming he'd do. He said he wanted to include everyone in his administration. To think, he almost got away with his lie.

I'd vote for Dr. Walter Williams or Dr. Thomas Sowell in a minute.... both brilliant conservative Americans who just happen to be black.

:moo: Throw in Michael Steele, J. C. Watts, & Condoleezza Rice, & you've got yourself a deal.

DeclinetoState

03-16-2008, 08:44 AM

Throw in Michael Steele, J. C. Watts, & Condoleezza Rice, & you've got yourself a deal.
Problem is, they ain't runnin'. In fact, there are a lot of whites who would be a far better president than either Hillary R. Clinton or John McCain who also aren't in the running.

I venture to say that most of the posters on this board who are constitutionally qualified to do so would be better commanders-in-chief than any of the remaining candidates.

edgeworth

03-16-2008, 08:48 AM

You just gave the speech for recruitment in the American Nazi Party.

Words can turn around and bite you depending on what side you look at it from can't they?

How does what I said relate in ANY way to what you posted? Please explain.

BarkleUSA

03-16-2008, 08:51 AM

RE:
I venture to say that most of the posters on this board who are constitutionally qualified to do so would be better commanders-in-chief than any of the remaining candidates.
Dr Doom has my vote. Edgeworth can be press secretary cause he knows how to confuse things in such a way that the press will figure it's their fault for not understanding.

Suzie

03-16-2008, 08:51 AM

How does what I said relate in ANY way to what you posted? Please explain.

Using, pride in your own race to separate from all others. Why make a CHURCH or any group for that matter be about RACE. Why not welcome all races? You say it's about heritage and pride ... so do white supremacists.

edgeworth

03-16-2008, 08:57 AM

Huh? What "black church" you talking about, dude? The SLC was for decades the closest thing there was to "a black church," and it never did say the kind of malicious crap coming out of the UCC.

I was just reffering to the statement that Suzie posted. All the other statements made by the UCC were malicious and anti-american garbage. However, I didn'think that particular statement was a racist one but was one that was stating how proud they were of their heritage and of thankful they were to God for seeing them through the years that they were oppressed and discriminated against as a people. Which, has been the views of all balck churches and the black community in general, at least as I know it, ever since the days following abolition.

The_Sonarman

03-16-2008, 08:57 AM

I am only holding Mr. Obama to the same standard that blacks have insisted apply to "whitey" for decades. If both groups have equal rights and responsibilities, the standard applies both ways.

While we're at it, all the other attendees of that "church" are also racists, bigots and black separatists. In other words, the black equivalent of the Klu Klux Klan.

I checked the definitions. There is no "applies to whites only" on these three definitions.

racism - hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. Source: www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

bigot - a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief or opinion. Source: www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

separatist - One who advocates cultural, ethnic, or racial separation. Source: www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

These three words definitely apply to this "minister". Since Obama was attending these "meetings", it applies to him as well.

I know this "church" isn't the only one screaming this kind of hatred and vitriol. The same labels apply to anyone else attending black klan meetings at "church". It applies equally to white klan meetings at "church", while I'm on the subject. Equal rules, equal requirements.

The first thing that should happen is the governing council of this "church" need to review this "ministers" actions. I'd recommend his dismissal at a minimum. Revocation of their tax free status is up to the IRS's review.

As voters, it's our responsibility to review Obamas actions. I'd think it's obvious by now he's unsuitable to be President. He needs to be removed at the Democratic Convention, since they are not bound by the Democrat primary vote.

Speaking of which, church attendees profess to worship God, don't they? I don't recall God taking sides, white against black or viceversa. Some "church". Give me the Buddhists any day of the week. They're inherently nonviolent and good neighbors.

DeclinetoState

03-16-2008, 09:20 AM

I am only holding Mr. Obama to the same standard that blacks have insisted apply to "whitey" for decades. If both groups have equal rights and responsibilities, the standard applies both ways.
But because whites have been the privileged majority from the start (of our country), don't you know that we "owe it" to the blacks and other minorities to cut them some slack? That's the whole point of affirmative action, no?

The_Sonarman

03-16-2008, 09:36 AM

Yes, it did occur to me, DTS.

Frankly, I'm quite comfortable with enemies. This "minister" is an enemy. His congregation, to the degree they support him, is an enemy. Fine. I can deal with that. The snakes I haven't spotted and located are the dangerous ones.

If or when they threaten or initiate violence, they are a law enforcement issue. If or when they come for me, I can defend myself. It is not in my nature to turn the other cheek.

DoctorDoom

03-16-2008, 10:14 AM

I checked the definitions. There is no "applies to whites only" on these three definitions.

racism ...According to a liberal mantra of the last couple of decades, blacks cannot be racist because they lack the power and authority. A sampling of pages will demonstrate this.

To the Editor:

Monique Blamo's column in the Nov. 10 issue of The Flat Hat "Different Definitions of Racism" challenges the reader to examine the definition of racism. The author says, "for racism to exist, domination, oppression and power must be consolidated. A person or race must have the power to exercise and affect discrimination and oppression upon another individual or population." Point well taken.

She continues to say that by her definition, blacks cannot be racist, although they can be prejudiced or subscribers to prejudicial stereotypes. Blacks cannot be racist, in the author's view, because "we simply cannot oppress or dominate anyone because we have no power." She continues that the power to oppress and dominate is wielded by whites. Even Gen. Colin Powell, considered to be high up in the "black" pecking order -- at least, by the author -- wields no true power, for General Powell was given his status by whites. Presumably, the same dastardly whites can take this status away. You have got to be kidding me.

The definition of racism that the author presents is lucid; however, the author perverts this definition and demonstrates a profound immaturity (perhaps, lack of experience) in her analysis of the concepts of power and racism. Does power -- hence, the ability to discriminate -- truly lie in the majority, in the masses?Defining racist qualities (http://flathat.wm.edu/December012000/opinionsstory4.html)

I am a racist. Not because of racist jokes I do not say or acts of discrimination I do not commit. The reason: I am White.

That was the message preached loud and clear at a forum I attended recently at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Titled "Unveiling White Privilege," the forum's purpose was to examine "the impact of our racism and colorism on the quality of our relationships," while also addressing "the barriers created by unacknowledged privilege."

According to the moderators, all whites are racist even if we don't know we are. We have benefited from a system stacked against individuals of other races. We hold prejudices we may not even know exist. We have thrived in a nation built on the backs of hard-working and repressed "people of color." Never mind the millions of Irish, Italian, Russian, or Eastern European immigrants all Whites who suffered intense bigotry while working in the sweatshops and coal mines of this country to make a better life for their families.

After this was all made clear, we worked to define a variety of terms. Racism, according to the moderators, was "prejudice plus power." Confused? See, a black man can never be racist. He may hold prejudices against people of other races or his own race for that matter, but he has never held the power in society necessary to act upon that prejudice.
Tips for Identifying a Racist (http://www.i2i.org/main/article.php?article_id=151)

NEWARK, Del., October 30, 2007—The University of Delaware subjects students in its residence halls to a shocking program of ideological reeducation that is referred to in the university’s own materials as a “treatment” for students’ incorrect attitudes and beliefs. The Orwellian program requires the approximately 7,000 students in Delaware’s residence halls to adopt highly specific university-approved views on issues ranging from politics to race, sexuality, sociology, moral philosophy, and environmentalism. The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) is calling for the total dismantling of the program, which is a flagrant violation of students’ rights to freedom of conscience and freedom from compelled speech.

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The RAs who facilitate these meetings have received their own intensive training from the university, including a “diversity facilitation training” session at which RAs were taught, among other things, that “[a] racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality.”University of Delaware Requires Students to Undergo Ideological Reeducation (http://thefire.org/index.php/article/8555.html)

Orwell was right. He just got the date wrong.

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Wyatt_Junker

03-16-2008, 10:25 AM

This isn't going to hurt Obama. Liberals already are racists. They enact policies that are race weighted all the time right now. Their laws are based on Rev. Wright's sermons already. If anything, this is simply good PR. Affirmative action and the entire EEOC is a liberal program of legal racism.

Most of the vociferously racist liberals are white. However, one caveat: They are racist-in-reverse. They are racist masochists.

The voters have already made up their minds despite any further revelations about any of the candidates. You could have a pedophile running for president and for the 'crats, that would be a resume building opportunity 'to connect' with the voters, or at least that contingent of people among our society.

And the major media, besides Fox, has already decided not to put Obama through the dryer. Let alone the run the hot iron across him. The media is scared they might break his outer beige skin shell. They like their candidates weak, unchallenged, speeches filled with air.

No, the media already has his back. And the electorate won't care. They've already chosen The One.

Obama could be Joan Bene Ramsey's convicted killer. It wouldn't matter. He's Camelot, remember? CAMELOT!

Sorry folks, but if you thought this was going to sink Obama, it won't. You're gonna need something with a lot more steam than this. Remember we're talking about white soccer moms here in the 'burbs. Nothing phases them except when they get burned from the hot splash of the Swanson's TV dinner when they plop it down on the table. The electorate are zombies. The media are preprogrammed robots.

Suzie

03-16-2008, 10:29 AM

I think it will hurt him with older voters, the ones that do not realize how liberal the party has become. They have probably seen this by now, and it might be the only thing they do see about him if the news comes on the same time as wheel of fortune where they live.

Suzie

03-16-2008, 10:47 AM

Obama's Chicago Pastor No Longer Serving on Campaign (http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080316/pl_bloomberg/aktqhpfjxzsm;_ylt=AjiL7DIv1aNUbgtqJlreUPMDW7oF)

Bloomberg - Sat Mar 15, 9:15 PM ET March 15 (Bloomberg) -- The Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose sermons raging against the U.S. have sparked controversy, is no longer formally tied to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign, an Obama spokesman said late yesterday.

Too little too late.

Kathy30

03-16-2008, 10:57 AM

Too late! The obamination OWNS these sermons.

DoctorDoom

03-16-2008, 11:21 AM

... is no longer formally tied ...Weasel wording is a lib staple. That does not mean that he is no longer as heavily involved in the campaign, but only that it's not in a formal manner.

HomeschoolrsRUs

03-16-2008, 11:29 AM

While we're at it, all the other attendees of that "church" are also racists, bigots and black separatists. In other words, the black equivalent of the Klu Klux Klan.

That's EXACTLY what my husband and I were talking about just this morning! Hasn't it been shown this "pastor" has ties to Farrakhan? So they wear bowties and black suits instead of white sheets and hoods -- same putrid heart, different skin and costumes.

Suzie

03-16-2008, 11:35 AM

That's EXACTLY what my husband and I were talking about just this morning! Hasn't it been shown this "pastor" has ties to Farrakhan? So they wear bowties and black suits instead of white sheets and hoods -- same putrid heart, different skin and costumes.

I have heard Sean Hannity say the church gave Farrakhan an award.

Jack_Savage

03-16-2008, 11:38 AM

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:unsmile: And up until a week ago, that's what he was claiming he'd do. He said he wanted to include everyone in his administration. To think, he almost got away with his lie.

When operating as a street activist, he was recruiting for Reverend Wrights church. Back then he had to be spouting out the same junk that we see on the videos. He was spending time with the leadership of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization. That we know about! That is his history. Who has he promised to appoint in an Obama administration? That we don't know about!

He will say whatever works to get elected but after that, he will return to those who mentored him along. Michelle Obama let it slip, let their true feelings out when saying she has never been proud of this country. The nerve of her after being given every opportunity a society can offer and more.

Its race baiting pure and simple. Not Wright, not Obama, not any of that congregation of hate has been oppressed any more than any other people dealing with the slings and arrows of surviving in the hard reality of life on planet earth. Its time to have people in the White House who love the opportunity this country offers, not put into office the likes of the Saddam Hussians of the world. Not put into office the organization of a Louis Farakahn and the mean spiritual advice of Revrend Wright.

Why would a spoiled and selfish politician like Senator Kennedy and his privilidged family put their money on that message of hate?

DoctorDoom

03-16-2008, 11:39 AM

I have heard Sean Hannity say the church gave Farrakhan an award.Indeed it did.

Barack Obama’s longtime minister, mentor, and sounding board has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.

“Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET [the Black Entertainment Network]?” Farrakhan said in a speech on Nov. 11, 2007. “Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry, and television. And they make us look like we’re the murderers; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”

The month after that speech, Obama’s minister and friend, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. and his Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, honored Farrakhan at a gala, bestowing on him its Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer award.Obama's Minister Honored Farrakhan (http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright_farrakhan/2008/01/14/64332.html)

Jack_Savage

03-16-2008, 12:03 PM

Indeed it did.

Obama's Minister Honored Farrakhan (http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright_farrakhan/2008/01/14/64332.html)

Weather Underground, Timothy Leary, Eldridge Cleaver, Algeria, and other countrys working to bring down America. This has been a long term movement and Obama met with and still has ties to Bill Ayers on of the most radical leaders of the WU.
For any of those who had been in Algeria, experiencing the kind of police state that was backing the radical organizations of hate, would know that what we are seeing from Obama now, would know, and scare the living s..t out of out of them.

I don't believe for a minute that this is some innocent coincedence with Obama, the Reverent Wright, and their left wing revolutionary ties.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/weatherunderground/movement.html

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/eldridge-cleaver-and-timothy-leary-in-algeria/1532950311

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/eldridge-cleaver-and-timothy-leary-in-algeria/2208799313icid=acvsv1

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/us/politics/09obama.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1205691617-dBYcUtHmOzx6upOw3A5FYg

http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/0798/sloman/notebook.html

Longhorn_Platinum

03-16-2008, 02:07 PM

Suzie:
I think it will hurt him with older voters, the ones that do not realize how liberal the party has become.

:unsmile: I think it's also going to hurt with independents, those who were once excited about this unique, new candidate, but now realize that he's not the guy they thought he was. Non-black independents might especially be the ones who rethink voting for this thug.

They have probably seen this by now, and it might be the only thing they do see about him if the news comes on the same time as wheel of fortune where they live.

:biggrin: It's nice to know that people have been reading my posts.

Longhorn_Platinum

03-16-2008, 02:13 PM

Jack_Savage:
Who has he promised to appoint in an Obama administration? That we don't know about!

:unsmile: My guess is he'll appoint Nazi-like thugs like his pastor. Can you imagine these people getting onto the Supreme Court? I'd rather let Hillary pick justices.

Longhorn_Platinum

03-16-2008, 02:16 PM

Jack_Savage:
Why would a spoiled and selfish politician like Senator Kennedy and his privilidged family put their money on that message of hate?

:unsmile: It's no different from any of the other corrupt demonic rats that the Kennedy family has endorsed.

The_Sonarman

03-17-2008, 10:43 PM

This past couple days has been very instructive.

Wyatt_Junker

03-17-2008, 11:22 PM

The Odd Assity of Grope is an Oprah Bestseller. She handed it out to a buncha housewives last week. The book before that was The Secret. That was also a way out there book. Simply think things and they appear like Chris Angel and shit.

But Barraxus audacious scribbler just climbed the NY top 10, especially the evil rich whitey parts. There's some deep shit in there!

I call Pulitzer on this!

DesertFox

03-18-2008, 08:31 AM

Barack best head for the barracks. His one shot at political immortality done been gobbled up by JAWs.

Dowple

03-18-2008, 09:48 AM

As I said about five or six weeks ago, Obama is the Anti-Christ. Beware the man with the generous smile, the smooth tongue, and the avuncular style.

Gonzo67

03-18-2008, 11:31 AM

And as I said at the very beginning of this presidential race...

Get used to the phrase "Madam President..."

Republican_Legion

03-18-2008, 11:46 AM

As I said about five or six weeks ago, Obama is the Anti-Christ. Beware the man with the generous smile, the smooth tongue, and the avuncular style.

If Obama becomes president I have a feeling he will put on a Blue Turban.

Suzie

03-18-2008, 12:13 PM

And as I said at the very beginning of this presidential race...

Get used to the phrase "Madam President..."

I don't think they can give it to Hillary now without tearing their party to bits and I don't think they are brave enough to even try that. It would have to happen with super delegates and the super delegate position isn't known to be a profile in courage.

Kathy30

03-18-2008, 12:48 PM

If Obama becomes president I have a feeling he will put on a Blue Turban.
You TOO! I have a friend who has been telling me that for 30 years or more and never heard anyone else make that reference.

Maggie_T

03-18-2008, 02:13 PM

Going back to the posters that believe that Obama is dead, I'll give my 2 cents.

I don't agree. Or let me put it this way, I can't agree until I see this hypocrite physically go down the can.

Remember there are liberals (of all colors) who believe that America had 9/11 coming to her. They are all over the place. And those who don't believe that, believe that the Bush Administration was behind it all. Another way of expressing hatred for (conservative) whites. Remember the self-loathing white liberals who side with Islamofascists because they believe the terrorists' hatred for America is justified. And I'm sure I don't have to remind you of what goes on in college campuses (not the correct plural, I know). The Ward Churchills, the many Marxist imports from Africa and the Middle East, who "teach" nothing by lies and slanders and hatred for this country to the cheers and adoration of their captive audience.

Those people cheer Wright, and will support Barrack regardless of his promise not to "disown" his "friend of a lifetime," the one who married Obama and baptized his kids. Obama talks about "uniting" this country, but reveres a black Nazi, and exposes his own kids to that black Nazi's hate speech.

These liberals will support Obama because they hate America with the same passion Wright does.

So don't ring the death knell for Obama just yet, my friends. He still has the support of the nutcases in DU, daily Kos, MoveOrg, etc.

d'urville

03-18-2008, 03:09 PM

His speech sucked - Barack Hussein Obama was explaining his "uncle's" remarks, that's all. This was the speech he never wanted to have to give, he was fully aware of what was going on - his campaign has been trying to hide him all this time.

If you listen to his words you see what kind of manipulator he is...

He claims "Hilary was not raised as a black boy in a single parent home..."

Yet he neglects to inform the people listening of the fact that Barak's "Single Parent" was a WHITE woman. He had a BLACK father and a WHITE mother. And it was the BLACK FATHER who bailed on his BLACK VALUES and left his BLACK SON in the care of his now single WHITE mother.

He's claiming now that it's okay for him to associate with Rev. Wright, because his own grandmother was a racist as well.

Weasel wording is a lib staple. That does not mean that he is no longer as heavily involved in the campaign, but only that it's not in a formal manner.

Weasel wording? You mean like this? link (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm)

Yeah I get your point, however Obama says that he wasn't present when Wright gave these sermons.

But was he?:link (http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html)

And as I said at the very beginning of this presidential race...

Get used to the phrase "Madam President..."

More likely than not.

I don't think they can give it to Hillary now without tearing their party to bits and I don't think they are brave enough to even try that. It would have to happen with super delegates and the super delegate position isn't known to be a profile in courage.

The superdelegates ARE their party, and their nomination process is anything but "democratic". They'll do anything to win, Gore 2000, Gregoire 2004. Now, they'll say that he's damaged goods, and some (not alot) of the far left will end up voting for Nader. Still might not be enough, Juan's flawed.

DesertFox

03-18-2008, 03:45 PM

Stick a fork in the dude. He be did.

DeclinetoState

03-18-2008, 03:54 PM

Given the Democrat alternative, do we really want to see Barack Obama "go down"?

Suzie

03-18-2008, 03:59 PM

Screen capture from the AOL page....

Incident_command

03-18-2008, 04:43 PM

And as I said at the very beginning of this presidential race...

Get used to the phrase "Madam President..."

Not anymore Gonzo.
After the convention the rats will be in turmoil. If Hillary gets it she will not have the inner city or heavy black vote. Sha can't win without them.

If Obama gets the nomination he will no longer have near the % of whites he once held. Fox is right. He be toast, and she be toast as well.

Then again I could be wrong. It did happen once before.

Gonzo67

03-18-2008, 04:54 PM

Not anymore Gonzo.
After the convention the rats will be in turmoil.

Haven't you been paying attention to the Democrats methods? As long as republicans exist to blame, there will never be "turmoil" in the Democratic Party.

And the Guilty white, victim first, gullible public will believe them, and congratulate them for rising above the injustices committed against them.

If Hillary gets it she will not have the inner city or heavy black vote.

Easily solved. She'll pick a black man, or woman (not Barak) as her VP. She might even go mexican if his skin is dark enough.

If Obama gets the nomination he will no longer have near the % of whites he once held.

Well, I do not believe he'll get it. But in the event that he does, he'll have just as many if not MORE white votes than he would have had before. The ignorant white guilt trumps all.

DesertFox

03-18-2008, 05:13 PM

Obama done blowed it. He let the world see his inner racist. It's true that the overcome-with-guilt white liberals will still beg to be burnt at Obama's stake, but they won't do it on bended knee anymore now that they see he's as bigga swine as they are.

The_Sonarman

03-18-2008, 05:22 PM

Frankly, this will probably blow over in a month or so. The American People are notoriously short in attention span.

Incident_command

03-18-2008, 05:22 PM

Haven't you been paying attention to the Democrats methods?..

The only method I see now is cutthroat politics between a white woman and a black man. The dems are on a path to a inner party race war. And its killing them

As long as republicans exist to blame, there will never be "turmoil" in the Democratic Party..

There is now. Only gonna get worse

And the Guilty white, victim first, gullible public will believe them, and congratulate them for rising above the injustices committed against them..

That white guilt will be haulin ass now people have seen this dude for what his is.

Easily solved. She'll pick a black man, or woman (not Barak) as her VP. She might even go mexican if his skin is dark enough..

Dont think that will make up for the Obama slam the rats are about to deliver.

Well, I do not believe he'll get it. But in the event that he does, he'll have just as many if not MORE white votes than he would have had before. The ignorant white guilt trumps all.

I'm gonna have to see that to believe it.

You are right in saying Hillary isn't toast. But she is close, very close.