SCOTUS is ready to support private gun ownership

[DoctorDoom]

March 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Supreme Court justices signaled they will declare that the Constitution protects the rights of individuals to possess firearms, questioning the District of Columbia's ban on handguns.

The court today considered whether the Second Amendment right to "keep and bear arms'' covers all people or only those affiliated with a National Guard or other state-run militia. The Supreme Court has never squarely addressed that question.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, often the court's swing vote, said the Second Amendment confers "a general right to bear arms quite without reference to the militia either way.''Gun Rights Draw Support in U.S. Supreme Court Hearing (Update1) (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aQwPZ0yEbh2w&refer=home)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans have a right to own guns, Supreme Court justices declared Tuesday in a historic and lively debate that could lead to the most significant interpretation of the Second Amendment since its ratification two centuries ago.

Governments have a right to regulate those firearms, a majority of justices seemed to agree. But there was less apparent agreement on the case they were arguing: whether Washington's ban on handguns goes too far.

The justices dug deeply into arguments on one of the Constitution's most hotly debated provisions as demonstrators shouted slogans outside. Guns are an American right, argued one side. "Guns kill," responded the other.

Inside the court, at the end of a session extended long past the normal one hour, a majority of justices appeared ready to say that Americans have a "right to keep and bear arms" that goes beyond the amendment's reference to service in a militia.Justices Agree on Right to Own Guns (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080318/D8VG2PR00.html)

There's good news tonight!

[Beowulf]

Yeah, Doc, but some folks STILL don't get it. From that article:

Washington Mayor Adrian Fenty said he hoped the court would leave the ban in place and not vote for a compromise that would, for example, allow handguns in homes but not in public places. "More guns anywhere in the District of Columbia is going to lead to more crime. And that is why we stand so steadfastly against any repeal of our handgun ban," the mayor said after attending the arguments.

And this:

Members of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence chanted "guns kill" as followers of the Second Amendment Sisters and Maryland Shall Issue.Org shouted "more guns, less crime."
To them I say, "just like pencils cause misspelled words and a spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat."

But yes, Doc, the article gives some promise.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I remain cautiously optimistic ... but it's better prepare for the worse while hoping for the best. We've seen WAY too much proof that things don't always go in the direction they appear to be heading.

[PrezLeefun]

If SCOTUS does say individuals have the right to private gun ownership do you guys think I could go for getting a gun myself?

[DoctorDoom]

Yeah, Doc, but some folks STILL don't get it.They never will. They're elitist ideologues on a crusade to impose their will on America because they kniow what's best for us. Facts are irrelevant.

Washington Mayor Adrian Fenty said he hoped the court would leave the ban in place and not vote for a compromise ...It is 100% certain that the mayor is protected by armed guards, but he, being important, believes that he deserves to be safe. We, the peasants, are not relevant to him, so we must not be allowed to defend ourselves from the armed scumbags who are not even slightly impressed by the mayor's anti-gun bullscheiss.

[DesertFox]

These people are idiots. Their ban disarms the good guys and has no effect on bad guys. It's like banning penicillin in the middle of an epidemic, or pesticides in a grasshopper invasion, or soldiers during war, or water in a drought, or dams during flood season, or ladybugs during an aphid infestation, or pavement because of potholes, or matches because of arsonists.

[The_Sonarman]

If SCOTUS does say individuals have the right to private gun ownership do you guys think I could go for getting a gun myself?

It's looking like the SCOTUS decision will overturn the weapons bans in both Washington DC and (by extention) New York City. California, too.

I always hold my breath on these decisions until they're hard and fast, and the SCOTUS opinion is written.

We still have to wait.

[PrezLeefun]

I hope they all get turned over.

[TeenageRepublican]

This the Roe v. Wade of guns. Hopefully, we'll have a better result.

[Wolfcounsel]

"If SCOTUS does say individuals have the right to private gun ownership do you guys think I could go for getting a gun myself?" --PrezLeefun



No. You could kill the bad guy who's trying to kill you or maim you. Then you have to live with the fact that you probably sent a poor, misunderstood human being to his grave. Just get one of those pepper sprays so you just make him say OWEEE! when you spray him in the eyes. Or better yet, one of those little horns in the can to really split his ears apart.

A good member of Chucky Schumer's society would try the Kumbayah approach to neutralize the situation, or even take up running and dodging to escape any hail of bullets coming his way.
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[DesertFox]

Yes, Prez, by all means. Get a .38 revolver. Best deal for the money IMO.

[Lazarus]

If SCOTUS does say individuals have the right to private gun ownership do you guys think I could go for getting a gun myself?First and formost, I fully believe in the right to keep and bear arms - I am easily counted in the top 5% of gun rights advocates here at FC...

Having said that, I will offer this advice, Prez: Don't rush out to buy a gun - for a couple of reasons... 1) You need to see how this decision will be handled in the state of New York as well as the City of New York... Guns have been considered by liberal power groups there as being the tools of the devil for so long, you can bet the state and the city will NOT simply throw up their hands and say, "We give..."... There will be appeals and motions and all manner of anti-gun legistlation waiting in the wings aimed at circumventing the SCOTUS decision... So make sure you know what the local laws say... If they require you to obtain a permit to carry, then by all means get the permit first...

2) Purchasing a gun, especially for a novice, is not a decision that should be taken lightly... There are plenty of cheap junk firearms out there and I would never EVER recommend that anyone waste their money or risk their lives with one of these junk guns... Be prepared to spend between $400 and $700 for a reliable weapon... Well............ Those are Alabama prices... You might better budget as much as $1000 in New York just to be safe...

3) The decision of what kind of gun to buy is very personal to the individual, and again, a novice can easily be talked into buying the wrong style or caliber... I have been a gun collector since my teen years and I doubt I can name all the guns I have bought and sold... But I do know styles, designs, and calibers and I know which ones I would recommend to a Lady new to the game - Bigger is not better... PM me for a confidential discussion on which weapon you should consider...

And 4) Find a place where you can safely practice with the weapon... Operating a gun is like driving a car... You must become comfortable and familiar with the tool to be able to use it effectively in a life-threatening situation... And that means you must put in enough hours practicing with it that using it becomes as second nature to you as drivng a car... DO NOT neglect practicing with the gun...

PM me if you want to know more...

[TeenageRepublican]

I'm a big gun advocate.

I love the 2nd Amendment. It's there for a reason. And to just piss off that internet group that talks crap behind my back, I do believe that guns are God's gift to the world.
At least the redneck part of it :smirky:.

My brother is a bigger gun advocate though. He carries a pistol with getting a concealed firearms permit. He told me: "Screw wasting $200 getting a card that says I know how to use a gun when I can prove it!"

[Maggie_T]

"If SCOTUS does say individuals have the right to private gun ownership do you guys think I could go for getting a gun myself?" --PrezLeefun



No. You could kill the bad guy who's trying to kill you or maim you. Then you have to live with the fact that you probably sent a poor, misunderstood human being to his grave. Just get one of those pepper sprays so you just make him say OWEEE! when you spray him in the eyes. Or better yet, one of those little horns in the can to really split his ears apart.

A good member of Chucky Schumer's society would try the Kumbayah approach to neutralize the situation, or even take up running and dodging to escape any hail of bullets coming his way.
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Right on, Counselor.

I have just one question for the bleedin' hearts who bleat "You would kill a human being?! You would take a human life?!"

Hey, retards. What about my life? I'm a human, too, much as it may aggravate you. Why is my human life less worthy than that of a socially resented loser, who doesn't have the gumption to make something of himself and prefers to help himself to my hard-earned money/posessions, and kill me if I stand in his way? What gives that socially resented loser the right to kill me, and which law decrees that I just have to take it in the chest? :flame:

I know, I know. I can come up with a dozen idiotic, nonsensical, Kumbaya-like answers I'd probably get from the bleedin' hearts.

But I just had to post it.

[PrezLeefun]

First and formost, I fully believe in the right to keep and bear arms - I am easily counted in the top 5% of gun rights advocates here at FC...

Having said that, I will offer this advice, Prez: Don't rush out to buy a gun - for a couple of reasons... 1) You need to see how this decision will be handled in the state of New York as well as the City of New York... Guns have been considered by liberal power groups there as being the tools of the devil for so long, you can bet the state and the city will NOT simply throw up their hands and say, "We give..."... There will be appeals and motions and all manner of anti-gun legistlation waiting in the wings aimed at circumventing the SCOTUS decision... So make sure you know what the local laws say... If they require you to obtain a permit to carry, then by all means get the permit first...

2) Purchasing a gun, especially for a novice, is not a decision that should be taken lightly... There are plenty of cheap junk firearms out there and I would never EVER recommend that anyone waste their money or risk their lives with one of these junk guns... Be prepared to spend between $400 and $700 for a reliable weapon... Well............ Those are Alabama prices... You might better budget as much as $1000 in New York just to be safe...

3) The decision of what kind of gun to buy is very personal to the individual, and again, a novice can easily be talked into buying the wrong style or caliber... I have been a gun collector since my teen years and I doubt I can name all the guns I have bought and sold... But I do know styles, designs, and calibers and I know which ones I would recommend to a Lady new to the game - Bigger is not better... PM me for a confidential discussion on which weapon you should consider...

And 4) Find a place where you can safely practice with the weapon... Operating a gun is like driving a car... You must become comfortable and familiar with the tool to be able to use it effectively in a life-threatening situation... And that means you must put in enough hours practicing with it that using it becomes as second nature to you as drivng a car... DO NOT neglect practicing with the gun...

PM me if you want to know more...

Okay now I'm just overwhelmed.... and definitly without funds.

[garlicguy]

NYC? Buy an Uzi - let God sort 'em out.

[Wolfcounsel]

"Okay now I'm just overwhelmed.... and definitly without funds." --PrezLeefun

First, ask yourself what is more important? Do you prefer to be dead and lawfully and morally right in front of a funeral director and your surviving loved ones, or do you prefer to be in front of a baboon in black with his choirmonkeys chanting "GUILTY!" at you because you defended yourself with an unlawful weapon and sent a criminal to Hell?

After you make your decision, work toward that goal.

[Taylor1]

NYC? Buy an Uzi - let God sort 'em out.

That would be what gets us in trouble the whole "let God sort 'em out" statement.

[Trovalor]

I'm seriously waiting for the next step, If they lost to banning all guns, the next step in their little march of insanity would be to just make any and all use of guns illegal, through over restrictive permits, unconstitutional laws, and the sort, far exceeding what they have in place now.

I'm just waiting for the day these idiots make the "law" so that if someone breaks into your home and you shoot them in self defense, you are the one sent to prison for 5-10 years for "illegal operation of a firearm".

[The_Sonarman]

When one is purchasing a firearm for self defense.... it is like purchasing automobile insurance in the following ways:

1. It costs money to be "protected".
2. You will be better off if you never have to use your firearm in self defense.
3. You will also be better off if:

a. you have to defend yourself and have a firearm, than if
b. you have to defend yourself, and don't have a firearm.

I've had to use firearms in self defense. Thanks to the creator, I survived each time.

[Beowulf]

I've had to use firearms in self defense. Thanks to the creator, I survived each time.
Yes, likewise. It's amazing how quickly a would-be felon re-thinks what they're doing with a gun pointed at them.

[The_Sonarman]

Yes, likewise. It's amazing how quickly a would-be felon re-thinks what they're doing with a gun pointed at them.

Yes. In my last incident, it was four would-be felons.

[Taylor1]

Yes. In my last incident, it was four would-be felons.

Ohh? what happened?

[The_Sonarman]

I was moving out of my apartment to move up here to start our business. I was down by my Jeep, packing it with stuff for the move.

I had four "black youths" between the ages of 22 and 30 walk by me, turn around and face me in a semicircle, about 8 feet away. Hostile as hell.

This was just as Governor Bush signed the Texas Concealed Carry law into effect.

I pulled a .45 out of my jacket pocket. I said "it's your move". I figured I'd kill the leader first, he was second from the left. I also figured to kill the biggest guy second, he was on the far left.

At that moment, I was convinced I would in seconds be dead or dying, yet I was completely calm and accepted that as fact. One of those "zen moments". I was concentrating on taking them all with me. The reason I didn't think I'd succeed, and die in the attempt, was the slow cycling of loading additional rounds in a 45. Didn't think I could get off four sets of double taps before the near right and far right guys would have rushed me. The interesting thing was.... I didn't care and it didn't bother me a bit.

Anyway, they didn't like the firearm one bit and ran off into the night. I guess white boys are supposed to be intimidated under like circumstances. Anyway, I finished packing that load of stuff, then drove towards our future (now present) home. No dead youths, no dead Sonarman.

The nice lesson I've taken from each incident is..... I don't freeze up in similar crisis.

My firearms instructor has since convinced me that 9mm is adequate, as long as you have good shot placement in the thoracic cavity. The cycle rate for a 9mm semiautomatic is also much, much faster.... and capable of four very quick doubletaps to the chest.

These days, I carry two 9mm semis and four extra magazines. If that's not enough, and I can get to it, I have a 12 gauge shotgun in the jeep.

[Taylor1]

I was moving out of my apartment to move up here to start our business. I was down by my Jeep, packing it with stuff for the move.

I had four "black youths" between the ages of 22 and 30 walk by me, turn around and face me in a semicircle, about 8 feet away. This was just as Governor Bush signed the Texas Concealed Carry law into effect.

I pulled a .45 out of my jacket pocket. I said "it's your move". I figured I'd kill the leader first, he was second from the left. I also figured to kill the biggest guy second, he was on the far left.

At that moment, I was convinced I would in seconds be dead or dying, yet I was completely calm and accepted that as fact. One of those "zen moments". I was concentrating on taking them all with me.

Anyway, they didn't like the firearm one bit and ran off into the night. I finished packing that load of stuff, then drove towards our future (now present) home.

Wow, thats a pretty cool story. I wonder what would've happened if he didn't sign it. Would the ACLU be after you still?

[The_Sonarman]

Wow, thats a pretty cool story. I wonder what would've happened if he didn't sign it. Would the ACLU be after you still?

If he hadn't signed it, I would have still been carrying that night.

If I got involved in an incident, at least I had a good chance to live through it. I'd take my chances with a Grand Jury. The law enforcement apparatus could only "avenge" me, and after the fact, if I'd been killed unarmed that night.

[DesertFox]

I carry a .38. With that or a .45 you don't really need a double tap. One plug in the chest and he ain't bothering nobody no mo.

[The_Sonarman]

My local firearms instructor is an awesome resource to have nearby. He's ex-British Special Forces.... owns and runs a great range. Can teach essentially any combat skill you want to know, at either beginning, intermediate or advanced levels. I am truly fortunate.

He's all for putting two quick Corbon 9mm JHPs into each bad guys chest. If there's any enemies still standing once you've put two in each chest, it's time for headshots as it's very likely you are facing bad guy body armor.

We're still debating if one should go for two in the chest and a headshot i.e. three in each baddie), before engaging the next opponent. The jury's still "out" on that one.

[Taylor1]

My local firearms instructor is an awesome resource to have nearby. He's ex-British Special Forces.... owns and runs a great range. Can teach essentially any combat skill you want to know, at either beginning, intermediate or advanced levels. I am truly fortunate.

He's all for putting two quick Corbon 9mm JHPs into each bad guys chest. If there's any enemies still standing once you've put two in each chest, it's time for headshots as it's very likely you are facing bad guy body armor.

We're still debating if one should go for two in the chest and a headshot i.e. three in each baddie), before engaging the next opponent. The jury's still "out" on that one.


Wow, thats great to have a british special forces guy as an INSTRUCTOR. He sounds like a great instructor. I think the range near me is owned by a retired vietnam vet.

[TeenageRepublican]

Since we're all sharing gun stories, I thought I would share mine.

My great uncle was being followed by this turd who kept on trying to steal his land. One day in Nebraska, this turd decided to face him... old west style.
So, my great uncle got his pistol and they met just outside of his land. The turd brought his son and he also had a pistol.
My great uncle wounded him before the turd got a chance to shoot. Being the nice guy that my uncle was, he helped this turd on to his wagon with the son and told him to go to a doctor's place.
When he turned around, the son took out his pistol and shot him dead.
My grandparents tell me that this was the last range war in the United States and my uncle's pistol can be found at Nebraska's Museums.

During the depression, oddly enough, my other great uncle stuck a shotgun under a banker's chin and told him to give him all the money in the bank or else he'd "blow his goddamn head off." (quote)

[Lazarus]

Okay now I'm just overwhelmed.... and definitly without funds.Well I definitely don't want to discourage you from getting one, but I also don't want you to make the mistake that life is like the movies... Owning and operating a handgun is like driving a car - You can drive like Andretti the first time you sit behind the wheel...

A lot of people buy guns, and even carry them, and when the gun is needed, they panic because they aren't really comfortable wielding it, or the gun is too big for them to handle properly - You have to be as comfy with the gun as you are driving a car...

A big caliber gun is no good if you aren't physically strong enough to wield it properly... I can comfortably handle a .45 auto or a .44 magnum, but I've had lots of practice and I'm 6 foot tall and near 300 lbs... Certainly a lady can be trained to handle a .45, but she would have be a serious, regular shooter to become proficient with it...

I agree with Fox that the .38 is a good caliber to use, but not knowing your physical strength, I could not recommend it - My wife cannot comfortably handle a .38... So I have had to rethink my approach to training her to use a handgun...

If I had to recommend a handgun to a lady, knowing it was her first weapon, and not knowing her physique, or her confidence level (which is an important factor), then this is weapon I would recommend...

Firstly handguns come in two design styles - Either an Automatic or a Revolver... Avoid buying an automatic at all costs... NO novice should start out on an automatic... I recommend a revolver - They are simple to operate, very safe, and one that is well made is virtually impossible to screw up...

Also for anyone carrying a revolver concealed, it must be a 2" barrel - or what people commonly call a "snub nose" revolver... Women tend to carry their guns loose in the purses or in a pocket, and one doesn't need a 4" or 6" barrel getting all tangled up in stuff when one needs to draw it out... If you are in need of using your weapon, very likely your attacker is going to be on top of you, and the best possible method of defense is to pull the weapon, stick it in his tummy and start squeezing off shots till he withdraws to a neutral corner - preferrably on his back, writhing in pain... IOW, a long barrel is needless in this situation - Go with the 2" barrel...

Secondly, considering caliber, although I agree with Fox that the .38 is one of the best calibers available, for a lady whom I don't really know enough about, its important that the caliber not be one that has so much recoil that it frightens her to shoot it... If a shooter is spooked by recoil with his/her first weapon, that can be a devastating hurdle to overcome and we don't need that...

I'm sure I'll get some arguments from some quarters but my recommendation is to start with a .22 LR (long rifle)... Its not a big, massive, bullet the type to star in a Hollywood movie, but make no mistake, a .22 will kill a man dead, dead, dead... A woman wielding a .22 revolver that she is completely comfy with is far more deadly than one who is wielding a .38 or a .45 that she's afraid of and wincing at the coming recoil... The critical issue is that the shooter be comfortable and confident with the weapon he/she is wielding - Machismo doesn't count for shit in a gunfight, and if the shooter is afraid of his/her weapon, it doesn't matter how big the caliber is - Its is neutralized before the fight begins... Fear of recoil is the worst hurdle to overcome, so for that reason I can train a lady with a .22 much faster than with a large caliber... We are discussing life and death, and thus its better to be safe than sorry - I recommend the .22 for the novice...

I mention all these factors because when one visits a gun shop, one will be faced with a dizzying array of choices, and gun shops notoriously employ macho punks who like to brag and tend to guide buyers toward the biggest, baddest canon... Which is damned foolish... Real professional gun dealer will ask the very questions that I have answered above...

So you want a revolver, 2" barrel, .22 Long Rifle caliber... And considering that, there is really only one manufacturer that I can confidently recommend - That is Smith & Wesson... Firstly, very few of the reputable manufacturers still make a 2" .22 revolver... I do know that there are several cheap (and I mean that in the worst possible way) European and South American makers who offer a whole range of very BADLY made weapons... But among the reputable gun makers, as far as I know Smith & Wesson is the only one still making a .22 revolver in a 2" barrel...

I know Colt has ceased to make them - in fact I believe Colt is completely out of the revolver business (pity)... Ruger still makes .22 revolvers, but I believe all their's are long barrels... I cannot recommend Taurus - Im just not comfy with their quality yet... AND CONTRARY to what some people will tell you, a poorly made revolver WILL lock up... You've not seen a tangled mess till you have a revolver with a locked up cylindar because it wasn't machined to fit right... I saw a Charter Arms .38 lock up for just that reason...

So........ I've said all that to say to Prez, if you are going to buy a first time handgun, buy a Smith & Wesson .22 LR revolver with a 2" barrel... And buy it new, not used - You'll be conned if you buy a used gun... Most reputable gun shops probably won't have the gun I mentioned in stock - They will have to special order it, but most shops don't charge extra for that...

If you simply cannot obtain the weapon I mentioned above, then move up to the.38 caliber in the same 2" revolver configuration - But stay with Smith & Wesson... You shouldn't have to do this if you deal with a real, reputable gun shop... If you do have to move up to a .38, you'll be faced with deciding whether to go with a full steel frame or a light allow, nickle finish, stainless steel, or blue steel... These choices are irrelevant so choose whichever you like best - Hold the gun, choose the one that feels best in your hand...

Don't shop at pawn shops - They don't deal in new weapons - We don't buy guns in shops that also deal in used stereos and jewelry... Ok? Buy "new in the box" - no used guns... And no automatics...

Be patient, find a reputable shop, and don't let a macho punk talk you into "an alternative"... You're not ready for alternatives... You'd be safer carrying a straight razor...

So sayeth Buffalo Laz... :D

[PrezLeefun]

Thank You Laz. That was...enlightening. But for the record on my strength and size..... I am 5'5 and can lift 60lbs easy.

[Lazarus]

Well then if you feel like you can handle the extra punch, maybe you should move up to the .38... You'll more likely find those in stock in gun shops and they definitely have more shock value on impact... But I can't stress too much the necessity of practicing with the gun to become confident with its feel and operation...

Good luck and don't hesitate to come back and ask questions if you get confoozed...

[Maggie_T]

Charleston, SC. Couple of decades ago. Hubby was driving home in his convertible, with the top up. While stopped at a red light, this big guy came running up to the car, grabbed the passenger door, and tried to open it. Because the door was locked, the perp pulled a knife and tried to cut the top of the car to get in. Hubby picket up a Ruger Old Army and pointed it at him. The perp took two steps back, fell on his butt, scrambled up, and ran for his life. :rotflmbo:

The black powder Civil War design pistol was on the floor, unloaded, because hubby had spent the afternoon at the range. But boy, did it do the trick! :biggrin:

In this age of "compassion for criminals," and other misguiding liberal imbecilities, the only defense we have against criminals from all walks of life (including our estimable "elected officials") is the one guaranteed to honest citizens by the 2nd Amendment.

Once we lose that, we might as well be shackled and locked up for all our "liberties" will be worth.

And liberals understand this only too well. That's why they are so intent on getting rid of the 2nd A.

[Maggie_T]

Taylor1, your avatar is a hoot! :thumb:

[Wolfcounsel]

"In this age of "compassion for criminals," and other misguiding liberal imbecilities, the only defense we have against criminals of all walks of life (including our estimable "elected officials") is the one guaranteed to honest citizens by the 2nd Amendment.

Once we lose that, we might as well be shackled and locked up for all our "liberties" will be worth.

And liberals understand this only too well. That's why they are so intent on getting rid of the 2nd A." --Maggie_T



The Second Amendment is there simply as a reminder to would-be dictators that God gave people the right to defend themselves against slavery and tyranny, and no entity on Earth can take that right away. The right is unalienable, so people, when, or if, the anti-freedom people start sending collectors door to door after your guns, like Sylvester (Rambotito) Stallone once recommended, I say it will be time for about 100 million armed to the teeth Americans to rise up and restore our Constitution.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Taylor1]

Taylor1, your avatar is a hoot! :thumb:

I know! I found it in one of TR's posts. Hes so awesome! I'm gonna put a new avatar in now.

[Maggie_T]

"In this age of "compassion for criminals," and other misguiding liberal imbecilities, the only defense we have against criminals of all walks of life (including our estimable "elected officials") is the one guaranteed to honest citizens by the 2nd Amendment.

Once we lose that, we might as well be shackled and locked up for all our "liberties" will be worth.

And liberals understand this only too well. That's why they are so intent on getting rid of the 2nd A." --Maggie_T



The Second Amendment is there simply as a reminder to would-be dictators that God gave people the right to defend themselves against slavery and tyranny, and no entity on Earth can take that right away. The right is unalienable, so people, when, or if, the anti-freedom people start sending collectors door to door after your guns, like Sylvester (Rambotito) Stallone once recommended, I say it will be time for about 100 million armed to the teeth Americans to rise up and restore our Constitution.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->


Oh, agreed. Question is, will Americans rise up to the issue? Forgive my entrenched pessimism, but you know how skeptical I am about a second revolution actually happening sometime in what's left of my life.

... like Sylvester (Rambotito) Stallone once recommended ...

He did? :question: I had a better opinion of him. Was he dating one of the Kennedy hags, or something?

[Wolfcounsel]

Take a look here:

http://blog.riflegear.com/articles/the-hypocrisy-of-sylvester-stallone.aspx

The Rambotito's phony baloney is showing through his phony muscles.

[Maggie_T]

Aw, yuck!

No wonder Stallone only dates air-headed blonde bimbos. Birds of a feather, and all that. :rolleyes: