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RogerFGay
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Well, you know. I just thought there might be one or two folks regularly involved in this forum who might want to comment.
There are women in the services who have jobs they can do, who do them well, and who are dedicated to the military. They, and the men around them, know who they are.
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Maternity Battle Dress?!?!?! Prevention of Violence in the Army?!?!?!
What's this? Monty Python?
Get those women out of the Army!!!! There, I said it. Now sue me.
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Much of the idiocy mentioned in the article is not limited to females. I had many young male troops make similar stupid remarks during my military career. The problem isn't the females, it's the political correctness run amok. Hopefully much of that will be alleviated now that the Corps of Social Engineers has evacuated the White House.
I had a troop that was offered non-judicial punishment once in lieu of a court martial for a remark he made that had absolutely zero sexual connotation to it, but was interpreted as such by a PC zealot. They were shocked when he refused to accept it and professed his desire for the court martial instead. They were even more shocked when he informed them the media would be there. When they finally realized how ridiculously stupid they were going to look, they dropped all charges.
Maggie, what type of BDU do you think they'd wear while pregnant? The regular ones certainly won't fit. My wife wore them twice during her career, and she was just selected for the highest enlisted rank in the Air Force (induction ceremony depicted below).
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad/images/P1260013.JPG
Rog, you are correct that there are many high quality females serving in the military, but like in so many other areas of our society, all you ever hear about is the idiots.
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I am a prime example of why women need to stay outta combat/military roles. My emotions/hormones are so WAY out of wack, I'm even scaring myself. I would be a loose cannon. Forget about it!!!! There would be dead lying everywhere enemy and friendly! Then I would cry about it. But then i would laugh about it..ah frig...Then I would kill em all again....the evil circle would snowball into nuclear warfare, with me boohooing about it! Ahhhhhhh
Be scared, be very scared.
Call me Cybil
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Rhino -- Congratulations to you and your wife. That really is a sterling accomplishment. And behind every successful women ...
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Maternity Battle Dress?!?!?! Prevention of Violence in the Army?!?!?!
I guess this is Jocelyn Elder's "Kinder, Gentler Military"..... It sure doesn't sound like the military I was in.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
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Kelly, women are placed on restricted duty while pregnant, in no small part due to the reasons you cited, but mostly to protect that "delicate condition"..
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Kelly, women are placed on restricted duty while pregnant, in no small part due to the reasons you cited, but mostly to protect that "delicate condition"..
Rhino quote:
I hate to say it but this was a MAJOR problem that we were unable to discuss when I was in. We would lose up to a third of our female personnel on every deployment. They were simply transferred off and mostly not replaced. Imagine, your only electronics tech who has the pro codes to fix something is suddenly gone without replacement. Then the party line is that this does not cause any reduction in readiness. As one of the people who had to spout this nonsense, I can tell you that our entire women in the military program needs to be looked at. I do not mean abolished but looked at to really determine jobs CAN really be done without reducing the requirements to the point that there are none or reducing our ability to do the job. This will never happen until the very idea can be discussed and that will never happen as long as we are too scared to tell the truth.
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Rhino...As IF...Women don't have hormonal surges when they are not pregnant! LOL.
I'm gonna take a beating for that....BUT at least its HONEST.
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True they have those surges, but not to such extremes. Heard a guy once satirically announcing the Army was instituting a combat rotation policy to make sure their female soldiers were always fighting the enemy during PMS.
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James,
Didn't see your post earlier. You make excellent points, but what you are pointing out is errors in institutional dynamics as a result of PC, not a fault of the women themselves. That was one of the points I was trying to make, and you are SO right!
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The Pottification Of The Navy
Yet Another Reason Not To Enlist
Hoo, the Navy has gone funnier than when Junior put his tadpoles in Aunt Lu's milk. It's wonderful. Headline, the Washington Times: "Navy admiral wants to get rid of urinals."
On aircraft carriers. Yep. See, urinals aren't good for gender-equity, which is what the Navy is for.
Best I can tell, the admiral figures urinals make the girls aboard feel plumbing-challenged. It gums up their self-concept. And life, remember, is already tough for gals on warships. It's bad enough having those boomy old gun thingies everywhere, and those smelly airplanes. They make a hostile environment and all. But the worst is those disgusting white patriarchy symbols, stuck threateningly to bathroom walls.
Think about it. Every time a woman goes to the men's room, there they hang, row on row, in silent reproach, telling her she isn't Fully A Person.
The horror.
But now help gallops over the horizon, thumpety-thump. The help's name is Admiral John Nathman, and (incredibly) he's a naval aviator. Yes indeed. Potty John, the Carrie Nation of urinals, is going to make it all better. He wants "gender-neutral water closets."
When I was a Marine, I always wanted a commander who had an interest in urinals. None of them did, and they probably still don't. But the Navy, as Marines have always suspected, is a little different. And apparently getting differenter.
Personally I don't think Potty John has gone far enough in making the military resemble a sorority house. For example, a gal on ship stands out by virtue of having breasts, which must create a hostile work environment. (In fact I've never met a sailor who was hostile to breasts, but I'm being socially progressive here.) I think that as a simple matter of consideration for our warrioresses, men in the services should be required to have breast implants. Gender equity. This is, after all, the New Navy.
If compulsory surgery seems extreme this year, at the very least silicone strap-on mammaries should be mandated. Think of them as pre-loaded bras. Since servicemen have to wear uniforms anyway, minor additions could do no harm. Infantrymen carry packs, don't they?
I figure breasts might become insignia of rank. Enlisted men would get small ones. Officers would have big mommas. Potty John, being an admiral, would have three. The Chief of Naval Operations would wear an udder.
Look, I'm just trying to be helpful.
Let's be honest. Many unnecessary hardships are inflicted on women by the Navy. It's so…military. I figure the Navy might consider renaming a carrier or two in a more woman-friendly manner -- the USS Daycare comes to mind, or the good ship Terrycloth. Then there are family separations. I'm agin'em. So I figure a carrier's hangar deck could be divided into a labor ward and a nursery. Granted, weapons would have to be sacrificed, but all they do is encourage violence. (Onboard counseling might help to reduce this lamentable side-effect of testosterone. We could have caring, sensitive fighter pilots.)
Fact is, I admire Potty John for his willingness to be different from all those stodgy old male admirals we used to have. Can you imagine Bull Halsey (I guess today he'd be Heifer Halsey, or maybe Steer Halsey) focusing on urinal equity as he led the fleet against the Japanese? How about David Farragut: "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ah…Wait! Let's stop and talk about gender equity!" No. No urinals for them. They were fixated on violence.
My father spent four years at sea during World War II, first aboard the USS Greer in the North Atlantic, and then in the Pacific on DD-554, the Franks. He didn't talk a lot about it. He was there for some of the big assaults, doing close fire support with 5-inch-38s. Those were ugly days when blood ran on the decks and the kamikazes screamed in and you red-barreled everything you had at the nacelles and hoped you hit a fuel tank before the pilot hit you. I bet those sailors, mostly dead now, all of them forgotten, would be proud to know about Potty Consciousness.
Truth is, the military needs to be stripped of all manner of gender-unfriendly trappings. What could be more phallic than a tank gun? The very thought must be offensive to women, and make them Uncomfortable. Submarines are nothing but nuclear-powered phallic symbols. (With a propeller, which is a disturbing thought.) I reckon we ought to have gender-neutral, cubic submarines. Flowered wallpaper would add a homey feel and, if you got rid of those awful male torpedo-things, there might be room for a shopping deck.
The potty problem has reared its genderishly inequitable head for years in the mascara military. You just get in trouble for talking about it. Consider urinals and the Army. They were never a problem, because men regard the entire earth as a urinal in waiting. The side of the road, the middle of the road, a tree, the ocean -- they don't discriminate. The way feminists see oppression everywhere, men see urinals. It's a design feature.
Which means that if a battalion of trucks is maneuvering in the desert, guys don't care. Anywhere is as good as anywhere else. Women see things differently. They're embarrassed. They want a bush to go behind. In deserts there aren't any bushes. That's how you know it's a desert.
So they want all the guys to stand on one side of the truck while the ladies retire to the other. Of course, if the truck is in the middle of a group of trucks, this doesn't work. And if some dimwitted guy forgets he's not really in the military, and thoughtlessly goes to the wrong side of the truck to check the oil -- that's sexual harassment, buddy. Firing squad to the fore.
I'm dead serious: Research has been done on ways to let female soldiers pee standing up. If that's not gender equity, it's at least comic relief.
I have to agree with Potty John: For many reasons, none of which I can think of, men should not be allowed to stand comfortably while making a sacrifice to the Porcelain God. However, the Navy shouldn't simply write off its investment in urinals. Surely unmasculine uses can be found for them.
They would make splendid planters for flowers, for example: They have a robust watering system and good drainage. The lighting would have to be replaced with grow lamps, but this requires a mere changing of bulbs. Easy. We would have a win-win situation: Feminists would get even with men for being able to use urinals, and men would have flowers to look at. A window-box arrangement around them with drapes would be lovely.
See why I tell guys, Don't enlist in this silly circus?
I've gotta run. To my stockbroker's, to invest in implant companies.
©Fred Reed 2000. All rights reserved.
www.FredOnEverything.net (http://www.FredOnEverything.net)
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Hottjohn, tell Admiral Potty that, instead of removing urinals, which would cost money, he should just implement the Swedish feminazis' latest gender equalizer: force men to, ah, "relief" themselves ... sitting. There, wasn't that easy! Thus, everyone would be happy.
Sorry if I repeatedly mention the "Swedish Formula" (I know I did it often in TH), but of all the feminazis' brain farts, that one is may favorite!
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Get the momma's boys and daddy's little princesses out of the military and its planning and let's get the f*ck back to teaching our troops how to kill people and break things! Enough of this touchy feely sh*t!
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If these stories are true (and I believe they ARE true), then why are conservatives supporting a pay raise for a bunch of PC bureaucrats, masquerading in uniform?
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I'd love to take credit for this, but Fred Reed is the author. He is great. When we secede and form Reagania, Fred Reed is going to be our Secretary of State. LOL
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I agree completely with the Wolfcounsel.
No more "Kinder and Gentler" military. The military is supposed to be tough, not "gender neutral", et. al., ad nauseum.
If one wants to prevent wars.... fine. Have a tough, well equipped, motivated bunch of young stud warriors. Leave the wimps (men) and pansies (men) behind, cowering in the bunkers. If you have a credible, fearsome force, "the other guy" will never mess with you. Q.E.D. (quod erat demonstrandum)
If "the other guy" is so foolish as to mess with you, you clean his clock with minimal loss of your own. Witness: Desert Storm.
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Women: The Decline Of The Military
Well, you know. I just thought there might be one or two folks regularly involved in this forum who might want to comment.
There are women in the services who have jobs they can do, who do them well, and who are dedicated to the military. They, and the men around them, know who they are.
Maggie T
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Maternity Battle Dress?!?!?! Prevention of Violence in the Army?!?!?!
What's this? Monty Python?
Get those women out of the Army!!!! There, I said it. Now sue me.
Rhino
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Much of the idiocy mentioned in the article is not limited to females. I had many young male troops make similar stupid remarks during my military career. The problem isn't the females, it's the political correctness run amok. Hopefully much of that will be alleviated now that the Corps of Social Engineers has evacuated the White House.
I had a troop that was offered non-judicial punishment once in lieu of a court martial for a remark he made that had absolutely zero sexual connotation to it, but was interpreted as such by a PC zealot. They were shocked when he refused to accept it and professed his desire for the court martial instead. They were even more shocked when he informed them the media would be there. When they finally realized how ridiculously stupid they were going to look, they dropped all charges.
Maggie, what type of BDU do you think they'd wear while pregnant? The regular ones certainly won't fit. My wife wore them twice during her career, and she was just selected for the highest enlisted rank in the Air Force (induction ceremony depicted below).
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad/images/P1260013.JPG
Rog, you are correct that there are many high quality females serving in the military, but like in so many other areas of our society, all you ever hear about is the idiots.
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Edited by: Rhino at: 2/14/01 8:38:45 am
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I am a prime example of why women need to stay outta combat/military roles. My emotions/hormones are so WAY out of wack, I'm even scaring myself. I would be a loose cannon. Forget about it!!!! There would be dead lying everywhere enemy and friendly! Then I would cry about it. But then i would laugh about it..ah frig...Then I would kill em all again....the evil circle would snowball into nuclear warfare, with me boohooing about it! Ahhhhhhh
Be scared, be very scared.
Call me Cybil
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Rhino -- Congratulations to you and your wife. That really is a sterling accomplishment. And behind every successful women ...
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Maternity Battle Dress?!?!?! Prevention of Violence in the Army?!?!?!
I guess this is Jocelyn Elder's "Kinder, Gentler Military"..... It sure doesn't sound like the military I was in.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)
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Kelly, women are placed on restricted duty while pregnant, in no small part due to the reasons you cited, but mostly to protect that "delicate condition"..
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Kelly, women are placed on restricted duty while pregnant, in no small part due to the reasons you cited, but mostly to protect that "delicate condition"..
Rhino quote:
I hate to say it but this was a MAJOR problem that we were unable to discuss when I was in. We would lose up to a third of our female personnel on every deployment. They were simply transferred off and mostly not replaced. Imagine, your only electronics tech who has the pro codes to fix something is suddenly gone without replacement. Then the party line is that this does not cause any reduction in readiness. As one of the people who had to spout this nonsense, I can tell you that our entire women in the military program needs to be looked at. I do not mean abolished but looked at to really determine jobs CAN really be done without reducing the requirements to the point that there are none or reducing our ability to do the job. This will never happen until the very idea can be discussed and that will never happen as long as we are too scared to tell the truth.
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Rhino...As IF...Women don't have hormonal surges when they are not pregnant! LOL.
I'm gonna take a beating for that....BUT at least its HONEST.
Rhino
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True they have those surges, but not to such extremes. Heard a guy once satirically announcing the Army was instituting a combat rotation policy to make sure their female soldiers were always fighting the enemy during PMS.
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"We have every right to dream heroic dreams." - Ronald Reagan
http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Edited by: Rhino at: 2/14/01 10:45:56 am
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James,
Didn't see your post earlier. You make excellent points, but what you are pointing out is errors in institutional dynamics as a result of PC, not a fault of the women themselves. That was one of the points I was trying to make, and you are SO right!
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http://www.siscom.net/~simdad
Edited by: Rhino at: 2/14/01 10:48:09 am
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The Pottification Of The Navy
Yet Another Reason Not To Enlist
Hoo, the Navy has gone funnier than when Junior put his tadpoles in Aunt Lu's milk. It's wonderful. Headline, the Washington Times: "Navy admiral wants to get rid of urinals."
On aircraft carriers. Yep. See, urinals aren't good for gender-equity, which is what the Navy is for.
Best I can tell, the admiral figures urinals make the girls aboard feel plumbing-challenged. It gums up their self-concept. And life, remember, is already tough for gals on warships. It's bad enough having those boomy old gun thingies everywhere, and those smelly airplanes. They make a hostile environment and all. But the worst is those disgusting white patriarchy symbols, stuck threateningly to bathroom walls.
Think about it. Every time a woman goes to the men's room, there they hang, row on row, in silent reproach, telling her she isn't Fully A Person.
The horror.
But now help gallops over the horizon, thumpety-thump. The help's name is Admiral John Nathman, and (incredibly) he's a naval aviator. Yes indeed. Potty John, the Carrie Nation of urinals, is going to make it all better. He wants "gender-neutral water closets."
When I was a Marine, I always wanted a commander who had an interest in urinals. None of them did, and they probably still don't. But the Navy, as Marines have always suspected, is a little different. And apparently getting differenter.
Personally I don't think Potty John has gone far enough in making the military resemble a sorority house. For example, a gal on ship stands out by virtue of having breasts, which must create a hostile work environment. (In fact I've never met a sailor who was hostile to breasts, but I'm being socially progressive here.) I think that as a simple matter of consideration for our warrioresses, men in the services should be required to have breast implants. Gender equity. This is, after all, the New Navy.
If compulsory surgery seems extreme this year, at the very least silicone strap-on mammaries should be mandated. Think of them as pre-loaded bras. Since servicemen have to wear uniforms anyway, minor additions could do no harm. Infantrymen carry packs, don't they?
I figure breasts might become insignia of rank. Enlisted men would get small ones. Officers would have big mommas. Potty John, being an admiral, would have three. The Chief of Naval Operations would wear an udder.
Look, I'm just trying to be helpful.
Let's be honest. Many unnecessary hardships are inflicted on women by the Navy. It's so…military. I figure the Navy might consider renaming a carrier or two in a more woman-friendly manner -- the USS Daycare comes to mind, or the good ship Terrycloth. Then there are family separations. I'm agin'em. So I figure a carrier's hangar deck could be divided into a labor ward and a nursery. Granted, weapons would have to be sacrificed, but all they do is encourage violence. (Onboard counseling might help to reduce this lamentable side-effect of testosterone. We could have caring, sensitive fighter pilots.)
Fact is, I admire Potty John for his willingness to be different from all those stodgy old male admirals we used to have. Can you imagine Bull Halsey (I guess today he'd be Heifer Halsey, or maybe Steer Halsey) focusing on urinal equity as he led the fleet against the Japanese? How about David Farragut: "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ah…Wait! Let's stop and talk about gender equity!" No. No urinals for them. They were fixated on violence.
My father spent four years at sea during World War II, first aboard the USS Greer in the North Atlantic, and then in the Pacific on DD-554, the Franks. He didn't talk a lot about it. He was there for some of the big assaults, doing close fire support with 5-inch-38s. Those were ugly days when blood ran on the decks and the kamikazes screamed in and you red-barreled everything you had at the nacelles and hoped you hit a fuel tank before the pilot hit you. I bet those sailors, mostly dead now, all of them forgotten, would be proud to know about Potty Consciousness.
Truth is, the military needs to be stripped of all manner of gender-unfriendly trappings. What could be more phallic than a tank gun? The very thought must be offensive to women, and make them Uncomfortable. Submarines are nothing but nuclear-powered phallic symbols. (With a propeller, which is a disturbing thought.) I reckon we ought to have gender-neutral, cubic submarines. Flowered wallpaper would add a homey feel and, if you got rid of those awful male torpedo-things, there might be room for a shopping deck.
The potty problem has reared its genderishly inequitable head for years in the mascara military. You just get in trouble for talking about it. Consider urinals and the Army. They were never a problem, because men regard the entire earth as a urinal in waiting. The side of the road, the middle of the road, a tree, the ocean -- they don't discriminate. The way feminists see oppression everywhere, men see urinals. It's a design feature.
Which means that if a battalion of trucks is maneuvering in the desert, guys don't care. Anywhere is as good as anywhere else. Women see things differently. They're embarrassed. They want a bush to go behind. In deserts there aren't any bushes. That's how you know it's a desert.
So they want all the guys to stand on one side of the truck while the ladies retire to the other. Of course, if the truck is in the middle of a group of trucks, this doesn't work. And if some dimwitted guy forgets he's not really in the military, and thoughtlessly goes to the wrong side of the truck to check the oil -- that's sexual harassment, buddy. Firing squad to the fore.
I'm dead serious: Research has been done on ways to let female soldiers pee standing up. If that's not gender equity, it's at least comic relief.
I have to agree with Potty John: For many reasons, none of which I can think of, men should not be allowed to stand comfortably while making a sacrifice to the Porcelain God. However, the Navy shouldn't simply write off its investment in urinals. Surely unmasculine uses can be found for them.
They would make splendid planters for flowers, for example: They have a robust watering system and good drainage. The lighting would have to be replaced with grow lamps, but this requires a mere changing of bulbs. Easy. We would have a win-win situation: Feminists would get even with men for being able to use urinals, and men would have flowers to look at. A window-box arrangement around them with drapes would be lovely.
See why I tell guys, Don't enlist in this silly circus?
I've gotta run. To my stockbroker's, to invest in implant companies.
©Fred Reed 2000. All rights reserved.
www.FredOnEverything.net (http://www.FredOnEverything.net)
Maggie T
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Hottjohn, tell Admiral Potty that, instead of removing urinals, which would cost money, he should just implement the Swedish feminazis' latest gender equalizer: force men to, ah, "relief" themselves ... sitting. There, wasn't that easy! Thus, everyone would be happy.
Sorry if I repeatedly mention the "Swedish Formula" (I know I did it often in TH), but of all the feminazis' brain farts, that one is may favorite!
Wolfcounsel
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Get the momma's boys and daddy's little princesses out of the military and its planning and let's get the f*ck back to teaching our troops how to kill people and break things! Enough of this touchy feely sh*t!
Geldhaben
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If these stories are true (and I believe they ARE true), then why are conservatives supporting a pay raise for a bunch of PC bureaucrats, masquerading in uniform?
Hottjohn
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I'd love to take credit for this, but Fred Reed is the author. He is great. When we secede and form Reagania, Fred Reed is going to be our Secretary of State. LOL
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I agree completely with the Wolfcounsel.
No more "Kinder and Gentler" military. The military is supposed to be tough, not "gender neutral", et. al., ad nauseum.
If one wants to prevent wars.... fine. Have a tough, well equipped, motivated bunch of young stud warriors. Leave the wimps (men) and pansies (men) behind, cowering in the bunkers. If you have a credible, fearsome force, "the other guy" will never mess with you. Q.E.D. (quod erat demonstrandum)
If "the other guy" is so foolish as to mess with you, you clean his clock with minimal loss of your own. Witness: Desert Storm.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum (Epitoma rei militaris, Prologue, 3)