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HomeschoolrsRUs
03-31-2008, 09:58 AM
Terri Schiavo: My Sister's Regret (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/BobbySchindler/2008/03/31/terri_schiavo_my_sisters_regret)
Recently, and for the second time in less than a year, presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama stated that his greatest regret as a Senator was not objecting (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=27500&ref=BPNews-RSSFeed0227) to a vote that was intended to help save my sister from being dehydrated to death.
Senator Obama went so far as to say that this type of “inaction” (failure to speak out against the Senate’s unanimous consent to allow Terri the same due process allowed the most vicious of criminals) can sometimes prove to be just as costly as taking action. One has to wonder what could possibly have been “more costly” than the loss of innocent human life.
Patriot Heart
03-31-2008, 01:12 PM
That idiot Obama shows his true colors everyday. I'll one has to do is stand back and listen. He is not sneaky like the Clintons. Yet Morons, Inc., will continue to glorify his name.
MaximumSam
04-12-2008, 09:37 AM
Well, I think it was completely ridiculous for the United States government to try and intervene for one person who wasn't asking for their help.
Well, I think it was completely ridiculous for the United States government to try and intervene for one person who wasn't asking for their help.What if that person were your child?
Taylor1
04-12-2008, 09:58 AM
What did Terri Schaivo do I forgot..
What did Terri Schaivo do I forgot..She got murdered by her ex-husband using doctors while the courts prevented anyone from stopping her murder, even going against a federal law that was passed to protect her specifically.
DeclinetoState
04-12-2008, 01:53 PM
Terri Schiavo was declared "brain dead" by the courts at her husband's insistence so that he could have her feeding tubes removed to let her die, paving the way for him to marry his shack-up girlfriend without having to go through a divorce.
Terri Schiavo was declared "brain dead" by the courts at her husband's insistence so that he could have her feeding tubes removed to let her die, paving the way for him to marry his shack-up girlfriend without having to go through a divorce.Yeah, murdered.
Nutrider99
04-12-2008, 02:23 PM
Well, I think it was completely ridiculous for the United States government to try and intervene for one person who wasn't asking for their help.
With all due respect, how the hell do you know what she was trying to communicate? The federal goverment intervened because a poorly written law gave one federal judge the power of God. In defiance of federal law, for which he should have been impeached and prosecuted, that judge refused to allow experts to perform a medical analysis, refused to allow her parents to care for her, threatened to jail nursing home workers for giving her any kind of normal care or treatment and DEMANDED that she be starved and dehydrated to death.
The judge and Michael Shiavo can keep each other company in Hell.
DesertFox
04-12-2008, 02:44 PM
I think it was completely ridiculous for the United States government to try and intervene for one person who wasn't asking for their help.Gee, Sam, you know as well as I that the Constitution guarantees the rights of everybody, and that the DoI was derived from the same Lockean thinking that said it's the duty of govt to secure those rights. Not that people have to ask govt for help; rather, that the govt has a duty to secure their rights.
Terry Schiavo had as much right to life as you do. Or I do. Or her shabby husband. She was made to die a cruel death. It was a day of shame for America when the sentence was pronounced, and a day of horror when she died from that sentence.
That entire filthy episode is what turned me against George Bush, for failing to intervene.
MaximumSam
04-15-2008, 12:12 PM
Gee, Sam, you know as well as I that the Constitution guarantees the rights of everybody, and that the DoI was derived from the same Lockean thinking that said it's the duty of govt to secure those rights. Not that people have to ask govt for help; rather, that the govt has a duty to secure their rights.
Terry Schiavo had as much right to life as you do. Or I do. Or her shabby husband. She was made to die a cruel death. It was a day of shame for America when the sentence was pronounced, and a day of horror when she died from that sentence.
That entire filthy episode is what turned me against George Bush, for failing to intervene.
The Constitution outlines the power of the federal government. No where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the power to intervene with a family's decision about a brain-dead woman. The attempt by the federal government to intervene with state law was in direct violation of the Constitution, and a clear attempt exercise power over the state of Florida. The Schiavo case prompted a lot of emotion, which I respect, but lawmakers should be careful not to replace the Constitution with their emotions.
Nutrider99
04-15-2008, 12:19 PM
That entire filthy episode is what turned me against George Bush, for failing to intervene.
No, Congress had the right to make law, which they did. The president does not make law. The judge should have been immediately arrested for contempt of Congress.
MaximumSam
04-15-2008, 12:33 PM
No, Congress had the right to make law, which they did. The president does not make law. The judge should have been immediately arrested for contempt of Congress.
Congress has the right to make law, but not the right to make any law. The law must be authorized by the Constitution.
Congress has the right to make law, but not the right to make any law. The law must be authorized by the Constitution.Then the judge should have ruled it unconstitutional. It didn't. It just disregarded the it.
Taylor1
04-15-2008, 05:32 PM
Oh.. I knew there was something relating to death and that. I thought she was the lady who drowned her two kids.. wrong person I guess. Thats pretty disgusting.
DeclinetoState
04-15-2008, 07:13 PM
The Constitution outlines the power of the federal government. No where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the power to intervene with a family's decision about a brain-dead woman.It also doesn't give the Supreme Court the right to prevent states from outlawing abortion, but the Court went ahead and did that anyway, didn't it?
HomeschoolrsRUs
04-15-2008, 07:15 PM
Taylor, you live in Flori-duh and you DON'T know who Terri Schiavo (http://www.terrisfight.org/pages.php?page_id=3) is?
MaximumSam
04-15-2008, 07:18 PM
It also doesn't give the Supreme Court the right to prevent states from outlawing abortion, but the Court went ahead and did that anyway, didn't it?
And what is the very first thing a pro-life person will tell you about Roe v Wade?
DeclinetoState
04-15-2008, 09:33 PM
And what is the very first thing a pro-life person will tell you about Roe v Wade?That SCOTUS found "rights" in the Constitution that weren't there, and ignored those that were.
MaximumSam
04-15-2008, 09:57 PM
That SCOTUS found "rights" in the Constitution that weren't there, and ignored those that were.
Yep, or more likely, that the decision has no basis in the text of the Constitution. There is no general "right to life" in the Constitution, only that one's life may not be taken by the government without due process. The Schiavo case was influenced by a government agency, because the courts were involved, but it wasn't the government trying to take her life.
EveningStar
04-15-2008, 10:12 PM
That entire filthy episode is what turned me against George Bush, for failing to intervene.
If either he or Jeb had intervened, they would have been breaking the law. They would have been impeached and removed from office. And rightly so.
I say this as someone who believed that family should have been allowed to care for Terri.
HomeschoolrsRUs
04-16-2008, 08:32 AM
There is no general "right to life" in the Constitution, only that one's life may not be taken by the government without due process.
There is no general "right to privacy" in the Constitution either, but the SCOTUS sure managed to poop that one out! There is more in our founding documents in support of the right to life (i.e. the document that the Constitution was predicated on, the Declaration of Independence ... remember that little thing called, the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?) than the right to kill one's preborn child or infirmed relative. NEITHER is right, BOTH should be stopped/prevented, and the courts and SCOTUS have completely messed up on BOTH, period.
DeclinetoState
04-16-2008, 12:15 PM
If either he [George W. Bush] or Jeb had intervened, they would have been breaking the law. They would have been impeached and removed from office. And rightly so.Highly unlikely. Impeachment and conviction both have to have quite a bit of popular support. That would not have been there.
LivingDeadGirl
04-16-2008, 02:09 PM
There will never be a middle ground for those on each side of this situation. There is too much emotion involved in it. Having been in a similar situation, most are surprised at my view of it and I have had vile things said to me by people who are supposedly loving Christians. It's sad really :sad:
Valerie
04-16-2008, 03:15 PM
There will never be a middle ground for those on each side of this situation. There is too much emotion involved in it. Having been in a similar situation, most are surprised at my view of it and I have had vile things said to me by people who are supposedly loving Christians. It's sad really :sad:
:yeahthat:
There will never be a middle ground for those on each side of this situation. There is too much emotion involved in it. Having been in a similar situation, most are surprised at my view of it and I have had vile things said to me by people who are supposedly loving Christians. It's sad really :sad:Let's not confuse loving Christians with wimpy paper Christians.:sad::sad::sad:
HomeschoolrsRUs
04-16-2008, 06:42 PM
I don't see how there can BE "middle ground." God is God, and we aren't, therefore we shouldn't be trying to do His job. He is the Author and Creator of life, and rightly should be the Only Arbiter.
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