Pirates can claim UK asylum

[MSGT]

THE Royal Navy, once the scourge of brigands on the high seas, has been told by the Foreign Office not to detain pirates because doing so may breach their human rights.
Warships patrolling pirate-infested waters, such as those off Somalia, have been warned that there is also a risk that captured pirates could claim asylum in Britain.
The Foreign Office has advised that pirates sent back to Somalia could have their human rights breached because, under Islamic law, they face beheading for murder or having a hand chopped off for theft.







http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3736239.ece

[DeclinetoState]

Can they make them walk the plank instead?

[Nutrider99]

I have the solution. Don't take prisoners.

[Wolfcounsel]

The solution--tell the foreign office to blow it out their ass!

[DoctorDoom]

The UK has become a pathetic, ineffectual shadow of its former greatness. Criminals have more rights than their victims. Homeowners are sent to prison for defending their homes while burglars are let off with a warning.

A homeowner was arrested after a burglar plunged from the balcony of his top-floor flat and later died in hospital.

The intruder suffered head injuries and died in hospital after falling around 30ft on to a concrete path.

Patrick Walsh, 56, awoke to find an intruder in his flat on Corkland Road in Chorlton-cum-Hardy, south Manchester.

Police say "following an exchange of words" the 43-year-old suspect fell from the fourth floor window on to the pavement below.

[snip]

Mr Walsh has been released on bail until November. If charged and convicted he could face a life sentence.Burglar dies after falling from top-floor window following confrontation with homeowner (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474025&in_page_id=1770)

And there is the infamous travesty surrounding Tony Martin (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/tonymartin).

As for how tough the UK is on real criminals ...

Burglars will be allowed to escape without punishment under new instructions sent to all police forces. Police have been told they can let them off the threat of a court appearance and instead allow them to go with a caution.

The same leniency will be shown to criminals responsible for more than 60 other different offences, ranging from arson through vandalism to sex with underage girls.

New rules sent to police chiefs by the Home Office set out how seriously various crimes should be regarded, and when offenders who admit to them should be sent home with a caution.

A caution counts as a criminal record but means the offender does not face a court appearance which would be likely to end in a fine, a community punishment or jail.'Let burglars off with caution', police told (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=381799&in_page_id=1770)

Police officers who launch chases over roofs, railway lines and busy roads could be sacked for putting the health and safety of criminals at risk, it has emerged.

New Home Office proposals say that any officer who knowingly flouts guidelines designed to protect themselves and the public could face dismissal for "gross misconduct".

The suggested new rule has infuriated rank-and-file officers who feel that it amounts to a "criminal's charter".

The fear is that police will be too scared to give chase to a suspected thief, burglar or mugger because their own job could be at risk if anyone is injured.Police officers who chase criminals could face sack (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367061-details/Police+officers+who+chase+criminals+could+face+sac k/article.do)

Police dogs are being muzzled to stop them biting and injuring suspected criminals, it emerged yesterday.

The policy, devised by North Wales Police, comes as a result of increased compensation claims from members of the public who have been bitten by police dogs.

Officers say the toothless tactic provides a safer way to tackle unco-operative offenders, and it may soon be adopted by dog squads across the country.

But critics say it is another example of political correctness gone mad - putting the rights and safety of criminals before cutting crime and protecting the public.Police to muzzle dog squads for fear of being sued (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23370883-details/Police+to+muzzle+dog+squads+for+fear+of+being+sued/article.do)

A teenager was shocked when police refused to chase joyriders who had just stolen his moped - because the thieves were not wearing helmets.

Max Foster, 18, called 999 when he saw three youths take his machine in Bath in the early hours of Tuesday.

He claimed an officer told him they could not give chase in case the unprotected thieves fell off the bike and sued the police.

But police said the safety of offenders and the public had to be considered.Police ruled out joyrider chase (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/gloucestershire/5132370.stm)

A woman who suffered a break-in robbery in which she lost some valuable antiques worth "thousands" has been told she could face a significant liability if she beefs up her home's security, and a returning robber would be injured.

"If I have got to live behind locked doors for the rest of my life, I hope the rest of my life isn't very long," the woman, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Rugby, England, Advertiser.

"But why would I want my house safe for these people? It's crazy," she said.

The woman had antiques and personal items worth "thousands" stolen from her home during her absence to attend to the needs of her brother, suffering with cancer.Rules say homes must be safe for robbers (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59391)

A suspected car thief who bombarded police with bricks and tiles during a rooftop siege was given a Kentucky Fried Chicken takeaway meal by officers to ensure his "well-being and human rights".

Police sealed off an area around the three-storey house in Gloucester yesterday after the 26-year-old man began dismantling a chimney and throwing objects at cars and passers-by. The man was believed to have been involved in a police pursuit of a stolen car, which had failed to stop in Cheltenham.KFC meal 'ensures siege man's rights' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/07/nrights07.xml)

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Vulnerable pensioners need the self-defence law changed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/07/nburg107.xml)

Tell me again why the US should want to be more like Europe.

[roguemerc]

It is hard to believe that England was once a bastion of Life, Liberty, Property and the Pursuit of Happiness. If one were to look at the England of today, one would be skeptical that John Locke was ever a major influence in that land.

Everything that George Orwell and Reagan had said about the British Labour Party, which has forsaken those great traditions, has turned out to be true.

[PaulRevere]

If the USA let pirates in and gave them asylum in my city I'd riot

[roguemerc]

Would they at least be bringing rum and loose women with them?

[EveningStar]

Arrrr!
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[DeclinetoState]

Patrick Walsh, 56, awoke to find an intruder in his flat on Corkland Road in Chorlton-cum-Hardy, south Manchester. "cum"?

[Maggie_T]

Among other things, it means 'with" in Latin, Dec. Leave it at that, will you. :rolleyes:

As for Used-To-Be-Great Britain, I'm not surprised at this last bit of indignity. The country is gone to hell in a hand basket.

And that is the way we will go if Obama, or Hillary make it to the WH. Even McCain is a threat, what with his idiotic notions of closing Gitmo, and all that rot.

And now let's wait for Deagle and other Limey losers to come and tell us how the British Empire is still there, it's only "developed." That's always amusing.

[Wolfcounsel]

Funny guys, clowns, comedians, there are always a couple who make light of a serious topic involving crap that can affect the candy asses here. I want to see me go to jail for calling the paramedics to come haul away some scattered trash on my property. Trash that was once a foolish person, blown to bits by my "pellet" gun. I want to see the Congressional monkeys head for the jungle if they decide to follow the Foreign Office's word on pirates. I want to see the head honcho, the Commander-in-Chief, blubber like a sissy when the impeachment proceedings start because of a wild hair up the rectum that caused a suspension of the word of law--the Constitution.

Screw England and the faggots that run the country!

[EveningStar]

"cum"?
:biggrin:

[EveningStar]

Funny guys, clowns, comedians, there are always a couple who make light of a serious topic involving crap that can affect the candy asses here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/bruckner/Movies-TV/LightenUpFrancis.jpg

"Lighten up, Francis."

[DoctorDoom]

"cum"?As in Magna Cum Laude, not ... that other meaning.

Chorlton likely derives from 'tún' (meaning farm, settlement or homestead) and 'ceorl' (meaning a freeman of the lowest class), giving us a full title similar to 'settlement of the peasants'. Hardy was an adjoining farm area probably meaning 'hard island' in Old English. It was located near Chorlton Meadows where Hardy Lane now lies. ... These two parishes were brought together in 1555 with the Latin word 'cum' (meaning with) used to seal the union. ... The district was a township of the ancient parish of Manchester in the Salford Hundred of Lancashire. On the creation of the municipal borough of Manchester in 1838 the township was absorbed into the borough.Chorlton-cum-Hardy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorlton-cum-Hardy)

[EveningStar]

As in Magna Cum Laude, not ... that other meaning.
Hopefully DTS knew that and was just being deliberately sophomoric. :D

[Wolfcounsel]

""Lighten up, Francis."" --EveningStar, (from Stripes)

"Aw, cram it, Clownie!" --Wolf Counsel (from Bozo the Clown)

[EveningStar]

""Lighten up, Francis."" --EveningStar, (from Stripes)

"Aw, cram it, Clownie!" --Wolf Counsel (from Bozo the Clown)

I meant that with good cheer, Wolfie. :thumb:

[Wolfcounsel]

Me, too. Lighten up.:thumb:










GOTCHA!

[DeclinetoState]

Hopefully DTS knew that and was just being deliberately sophomoric. :D
I figured the "cum" didn't mean what it usually means today, though it seems strange that, since there's a perfectly good English word ("with") that could have been used instead, the Latin term was preferred nonetheless.

As for England not being able to punish pirates, or at least send them back to Somalia to be punished, well . . . that's internationalism for you.

[Wolfcounsel]

"I figured the "cum" didn't mean what it usually means today, though it seems strange that, since there's a perfectly good English word ("with") that could have been used instead, the Latin term was preferred nonetheless." --DeclinetoState

We cannot escape it. Schools give out Magna Cum Laudes to graduating dumbasses nowadays. Dumbasses who don't even know Australia from Asia. Okay. Back to the topic of mollycoddling pirates.

[DoctorDoom]

I figured the "cum" didn't mean what it usually means today, though it seems strange that, since there's a perfectly good English word ("with") that could have been used instead, the Latin term was preferred nonetheless.As noted in post #15, "These two parishes were brought together in 1555 with the Latin word 'cum' (meaning with) used to seal the union. ..." It was evidently used as a legal term, and lawyers have used Latin for centuries.

The benefit to Latin is that, since it is a "dead" language, its words and meanings never change, providing a barrier against misinterpretation because of the vagaries of language. "Magna cum laude" will always mean "With great praise" in education. "Amicus curiae" will always mean "friend of the court" in law. "Bis in die" will always mean "twice a day" in medicine.

"Cum" will always have the one meaning. OTOH, "with" ...


with

Main Entry: with
Function: preposition
Etymology: Middle English, against, from, with, from Old English; akin to Old English wither against, Old High German widar against, back, Sanskrit vi apart
Date: before 12th century

1 a: in opposition to : against < had a fight with his brother > b: so as to be separated or detached from < broke with her family >
2 a—used as a function word to indicate a participant in an action, transaction, or arrangement < works with his father >< a talk with a friend >< got into an accident with the car > b—used as a function word to indicate the object of attention, behavior, or feeling < get tough with him >< angry with her > c: in respect to : so far as concerns < on friendly terms with all nations > d—used to indicate the object of an adverbial expression of imperative force < off with his head > e: over, on < no longer has any influence with them > f: in the performance, operation, or use of < the trouble with this machine >
3 a—used as a function word to indicate the object of a statement of comparison or equality < a dress identical with her hostess's > b—used as a function word to express agreement or sympathy < must conclude, with you, that the painting is a forgery > c: on the side of : for < if he's for lower taxes, I'm with him > d: as well as < can pitch with the best of them >
4 a—used as a function word to indicate combination, accompaniment, presence, or addition < heat milk with honey >< went there with her >< his money, with his wife's, comes to a million > b: inclusive of < costs $5 with the tax >
5 a: in the judgment or estimation of < stood well with her classmates > b: in or according to the experience or practice of < with many of us, our ideas seem to fall by the wayside — W. J. Reilly >
6 a—used as a function word to indicate the means, cause, agent, or instrumentality < hit him with a rock >< pale with anger >< threatened with tuberculosis >< he amused the crowd with his antics > barchaic : by the direct act of
7 a—used as a function word to indicate manner of action < ran with effort >< acknowledge your contribution with thanks > b—used as a function word to indicate an attendant fact or circumstance < stood there with his hat on > c—used as a function word to indicate a result attendant on a specified action < got off with a light sentence >
8 a (1): in possession of : having < came with good news > (2): in the possession or care of < left the money with her mother > b: characterized or distinguished by < a person with a sharp nose >
9 a—used as a function word to indicate a close association in time < with the outbreak of war they went home >< mellows with time > b: in proportion to < the pressure varies with the depth >
10 a: in spite of : notwithstanding < a really tip-top man, with all his wrongheadedness — H. J. Laski > b: except for < finds that, with one group of omissions and one important addition, they reflect that curriculum — Gilbert Highet >
11: in the direction of < with the wind > < with the grain >


There are of course "modern" Latin expressions, e.g., "Illegitimati non carborundum", meaning, "Don't let the bastards grind you down", and, "Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt", meaning, "When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults". However, it's doubtful that the Romans ever used them.

Sic hoc adfixum in obice legere potes, et liberaliter educatus et nimis propinquus ades.

If you can read this bumper sticker, you are both very well educated, and much too close.

Vah! Denuone latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.

Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of slips out.

[DeclinetoState]

I took a year of Latin in college (and got A's in it), but probably wouldn't have attempted it if I hadn't known the prof pretty well. I had already taken several Spanish classes with him, so I knew what his teaching methods, etc., were like. I've since forgotten most of the language.

So . . . how do you say, "Walk the plank, you scurvy lubber!" in Latin?

[Riverboat]

I figured the "cum" didn't mean what it usually means today, though it seems strange that, since there's a perfectly good English word ("with") that could have been used instead, the Latin term was preferred nonetheless.It didn't confuse THIS language maven. But, then, I graduated Magna Cum Laude from the University of Houston. ;)

[EveningStar]

Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of slips out.
Regrettably, I didn't take Latin in school. However I am acquainted with some of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_%28full%29) terms.

Where would we be without Latin?