Calling Obama 'Hussein' makes us look foolish

[EveningStar]

Quite a few folks on our side think that it's pertinent to refer to Obama by his middle name, Hussein. They say things like, "Well it is his middle name, isn't it?" "Why didn't he change his name if he didn't want his middle name used?"

We don't apply this to John McCain. We don't go around referring to John Sidney McCain III, do we?

Look. In truth, they are trying to imply that he's a Muslim. The problem? There's no proof that he's a Muslim. Yes, Hussein is a Arabic name and is commonly used by Muslims. Yes, his father was a Muslim. But once again, there's no proof that he's a Muslim. None.

Barack Hussein Obama; B. Hussein Obama; Hussein Obama. Calling him that is neither pertinent nor clever nor cute. It makes those people look foolish, stupid, ignorant, and even bigoted.

In short, it's backfiring. It will lose us more votes than it will gain.

[DesertFox]

People who would change a vote on such slender baggage aren't needed anyway.

Ain't nobody gonna change votes at this stage, ES. You can quit losing sleep over such things.

[Neil Peart]

I don't use it to allege that he's a Muslim. I, like many others, simply use it because it irks his sheep followers.

[Wolfcounsel]

I call him Sand Monkey Extraordinaire. He bears no good for America, and you can take that to the bank.

[EveningStar]

People who would change a vote on such slender baggage aren't needed anyway.

Ain't nobody gonna change votes at this stage, ES. You can quit losing sleep over such things.
It's sounds dumb, Fox. And it's non productive.

[DesertFox]

People on our side mostly use it to remind everybody that Obama has doubtful allegiance to America and American ideals in favor of somebody with the initials JAWs.

[EveningStar]

I don't use it to allege that he's a Muslim. I, like many others, simply use it because it irks his sheep followers.
It irks me and I can't stand the guy. I think he's dangerous.

[DesertFox]

It's sounds dumb, Fox. And it's non productive.Says you. I don't think it sounds dumb at all. How is it nonproductive?

[EveningStar]

I call him Sand Monkey Extraordinaire. He bears no good for America, and you can take that to the bank.
He's certainly no good for America. That's for sure.

[DesertFox]

You're not gonna tell us how it's "nonproductive"? :question:

[Elgalad]

I don't think it's going to change anyone's vote either for or against.

All the same, I do agree with Evening Star that stating his name like that is petty, pointless, and silly.

Then again, I do pretty much the same thing to my coworkers every time I refer to their favorite quarterback as Brett 'Fav-ruh'. :smirk:


-Elgalad

[EveningStar]

You're not gonna tell us how it's "nonproductive"? :question:
It's especially bad when Ann Coulter does it week after week after week. But hey. Perhaps you're right. Fewer and fewer people are listening to her as time goes on.

[Tazeeyore]

Any time my mother used my middle name I was in serious trouble. Maybe Obama had the same problem. His flock seem to think so.

[DesertFox]

So ES, you STILL aren't gonna tell us how it's nonproductive? :question:

[EveningStar]

So ES, you STILL aren't gonna tell us how it's nonproductive? :question:
It makes us look foolish.

[EveningStar]

Then again, I do pretty much the same thing to my coworkers every time I refer to their favorite quarterback as Brett 'Fav-ruh'. :smirk:
I do stuff like that too. My wife thinks I'm silly. :biggrin:

[MSGT]

It makes us look foolish.So does trying to get along with those that hate you or thinking you can do anything to make them like us.

Just my :2cents:

[EveningStar]

So does trying to get along with those that hate you or thinking you can do anything to make them like us.

Just my :2cents:
I'm not advocating that at all. I just don't think we should give them ammo.

We should stick to the facts.

Obama knows nothing. He's a manufactured person. People are willing to give him a huge mandate. Therefore, he's dangerous.

[DoctorDoom]

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[EveningStar]

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[dajoga]

So ES, you STILL aren't gonna tell us how it's nonproductive? :question:

I'd say by doing so we stoop to the level of liberal 'rat-wingers, (my $.02 worth)!

[DeclinetoState]

Bush has been referred to as the "Shrub," the "Chimp," and even "*" for the past 8 years. At least "Hussein" is a legitimate part of Obama's given name.

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Ok, gotta give you that one, haven't laughed so hard all day.

[Lubbock]

I am so sick and tired of this, "We have to take the high road," "We are better than that," "We must be above the fray," "We should not stoop to the level of the Democrats," bullcorn.

No matter how outrageous, no matter how vile, no matter the lie, we are not supposed to answer?

That's the problem now. Extending a hand across the aisle, as opposed to taking the fight to the enemy.

That's the way the weak-kneed want us to deal with Democrats and Muslim Terrorists.

Show them how good we are, they will see the good in us and love us, and stop sticking a shiv in our ribs at every turn.

Does anyone see how stupid that tactic it?

Just keep kissing ass, you yellowbellied republican rubes. Just keep letting the Libs knock your head off at every turn.

[The_Elucidator]

ES, how bout burnt cracker??

[Longhorn_Platinum]

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:moo: That doesn't look foolish to me.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

EveningStar:
Quite a few folks on our side think that it's pertinent to refer to Obama by his middle name, Hussein. They say things like, "Well it is his middle name, isn't it?" "Why didn't he change his name if he didn't want his middle name used?"

We don't apply this to John McCain. We don't go around referring to John Sidney McCain III, do we?

Look. In truth, they are trying to imply that he's a Muslim. The problem? There's no proof that he's a Muslim. Yes, Hussein is a Arabic name and is commonly used by Muslims. Yes, his father was a Muslim. But once again, there's no proof that he's a Muslim. None.

Barack Hussein Obama; B. Hussein Obama; Hussein Obama. Calling him that is neither pertinent nor clever nor cute. It makes those people look foolish, stupid, ignorant, and even bigoted.

In short, it's backfiring. It will lose us more votes than it will gain.


:moo: Somebody needs a nap.

[DeclinetoState]

If somebody wants to get their panties in a wad over something that we call Obama, it might be the mispronunciation of his last name as Osama. But if they do, they'd better remember who first called him that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos).

[gnome]

I am so sick and tired of this, "We have to take the high road," "We are better than that," "We must be above the fray," "We should not stoop to the level of the Democrats," bullcorn.

No matter how outrageous, no matter how vile, no matter the lie, we are not supposed to answer?

That's the problem now. Extending a hand across the aisle, as opposed to taking the fight to the enemy.

That's the way the weak-kneed want us to deal with Democrats and Muslim Terrorists.

Show them how good we are, they will see the good in us and love us, and stop sticking a shiv in our ribs at every turn.

Does anyone see how stupid that tactic it?

Just keep kissing ass, you yellowbellied republican rubes. Just keep letting the Libs knock your head off at every turn.

There's a disconnect here. If there's something a political opponent does that you think makes them unfit for leadership, don't you undermine that entire point if you copy them?

You're not being "better than that" to appease your opponents, you're being "better than that" to convince others that your ideology/party is a superior choice.

[DoctorDoom]

There's a disconnect here. If there's something a political opponent does that you think makes them unfit for leadership, don't you undermine that entire point if you copy them?In streetfighting, the Marquess of Queensbury rules do not apply.

[Naturalized-Texan]

This election is a war where our very survival as a nation is at stake. If B. Hussein Obama or Hitlery Clinton get elected president, they will destroy the future for our children and grandchildren. We must do everything in our power to prevent either one of them from occupying the White House. So, don't talk to me about being reasonable, or taking the high road, or being above the fray.

[Lazarus]

Evening Star, you're gonna keep pushing silly shit like this to the point where we are gonna come up with a middle name for you... And its realllllly gonna irk you...:evilgrin:

[Neil Peart]

Evening Star, you're gonna keep pushing silly shit like this to the point where we are gonna come up with a middle name for you... And its realllllly gonna irk you...:evilgrin:I vote "Porn." :thumb:

[DesertFox]

What Lubbock said.

[Rhino]

In short, it's backfiring. It will lose us more votes than it will gain.How?

It's especially bad when Ann Coulter does it week after week after week. But hey. Perhaps you're right. Fewer and fewer people are listening to her as time goes on.Based on what?

It makes us look foolish.That's a matter of opinion, but you may have a point. But even if true, how does this translate into losing votes? I highly doubt that anyone who considers it foolish, planned to vote conservative anyway. Hyperbole, exaggeration and even name calling are nothing new to politics, but they have never had any appreciable effect on swinging votes, at least not as far as I've seen.

[EveningStar]

How?
It sounds like anti-Muslim bigotry. "Obama is a Muslim, no matter what he says. All Muslims are evil." Also, it creates sympathy for Obama.

Based on what?
I've seen quite a few people on different forums who say things like, "I used to like Ann a lot, but she's just gotten nuttier and more extreme."

That's a matter of opinion, but you may have a point. But even if true, how does this translate into losing votes? I highly doubt that anyone who considers it foolish, planned to vote conservative anyway. Hyperbole, exaggeration and even name calling are nothing new to politics, but they have never had any appreciable effect on swinging votes, at least not as far as I've seen.
Medved is conservative and will vote for McCain, but he thinks it's stupid.

As far as how many votes it costs us, that depends on whether or not the Ass Party tries to exploit it.

[Nutrider99]

George W. Bush
William Jefferson Clinton
George Herbert Walker Bush
Ronald Wilson Reagan
Jimmy Traitor Carter
Gerald Klutz Ford
Richard Millhouse Nixon
Lyndon Baynes Johnson
John F Kennedy.

Any of them ashamed of their middle names?

[EveningStar]

George W. Bush
William Jefferson Clinton
George Herbert Walker Bush
Ronald Wilson Reagan
Jimmy Traitor Carter
Gerald Klutz Ford
Richard Millhouse Nixon
Lyndon Baynes Johnson
John F Kennedy.

Any of them ashamed of their middle names?
I don't know if Obama is ashamed of his middle name or not.

[Rhino]

It sounds like anti-Muslim bigotry. "Obama is a Muslim, no matter what he says. All Muslims are evil." Also, it creates sympathy for Obama.Possibly, but did it change your vote? I'm not arguing how it may sound. I'm questioning how this would cost us votes. The people most likely to find it offensive very likely aren't conservatives anyway.

I've seen quite a few people on different forums who say things like, "I used to like Ann a lot, but she's just gotten nuttier and more extreme."So, this is just a guess on your part then. I haven't seen any figures either way, but you made it sound as if this was a given. Without some evidence to go on, this is just your personal guess based on anecdotal evidence. There's nothing wrong with guessing, mind you. I just assumed you had something substantial to go on.

Medved is conservative and will vote for McCain, but he thinks it's stupid.But it didn't change his vote.

As far as how many votes it costs us, that depends on whether or not the Ass Party tries to exploit it.None of their followers are voting conservative anyway, so what's the difference?

[DeclinetoState]

Knowing the supporters of Hillary Clinton, they might out of spite vote Republican because we've reminded them of Barack's middle name.

I suppose ES finds it inappropriate to remind everyone of Barack Obama's initials when his middle initial isn't used.

[EveningStar]

I suppose ES finds it inappropriate to remind everyone of Barack Obama's initials when his middle initial isn't used.
Now that's funny! :thumb:

[Lazarus]

Bush has been referred to as the "Shrub," the "Chimp," and even "*" for the past 8 years. At least "Hussein" is a legitimate part of Obama's given name.Come one DTS... Haven't you heard? We have to be exceptionally sensitive to the feelings of the Leftists who oppose us... Afterall, Obama has to deal not only with his name being the same as a famous contemporary tyrant and mass murderer, but there's the issue of his ears... And we don't even want to address the relentless embarrassments he has had to endure from his typically white, and therefore unsophisticated and obviously bigotted grandmother...

[Maggie_T]

It makes us look foolish.

And talking like that makes you sound like a silly bleedin' heart.

You'd better move from California, mate. It's doing a number on your brain.

And incidentally, isn't Hussein Barak's middle name? From the moment he's registered like that, ain't nothing wrong with using his name.

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Love ya, Doc. :hugs:

[Gonzo67]

It sounds like anti-Muslim bigotry. "Obama is a Muslim, no matter what he says. All Muslims are evil." Also, it creates sympathy for Obama.


Ahhhh but are ALL "Hussein's" in fact Muslims? Nope. So this is only a problem for people ignorant enough to think that a middle NAME denotes religion. Personally, I'm not the LEAST bit "troubled" for offending anyone that stupid.


As far as how many votes it costs us, that depends on whether or not the Ass Party tries to exploit it.


Ahhhhh I see what you mean. So yes, if we refrain from referring to Brakattack Hussein Osama in a derogatory manner, the liberals and leftist ass-hats will no longer try to exploit, manipulate, twist or otherwise distort anything the republicans say. After all, that WAS their ONLY point of "contention" with us.

Butch up Sally.

B.H. Osama is an asshole. Nothing more, nothing less. He DESERVES every slam that is landed.

I'm 100% with Lub on this one. It's time for many "pussies in republican costumes" to get the hell of "The High Road", because it's nothing but a culdesac. It's going no where. Appeasement has gotten us John McCain as a candidate instead of 1 or 2 others who are ACTUALLY republicans. "Turning the other cheek" just gets us slapped on BOTH sides of the damn face, and frankly, I'm sick of being slapped. I'm looking forward to sharply caressing the cheeks of some of the assholes that have been swinging at me.

Instead of complaining about what we've called "the enemy", why don't you join us. You may find it fun to "be a man" for once.

[EveningStar]

Well, folks, thanks for the replies. I guess I won't be posting this elsewhere. :biggrin:

[Maggie_T]

Bush has been referred to as the "Shrub," the "Chimp," and even "*" for the past 8 years. At least "Hussein" is a legitimate part of Obama's given name.


Exactly! Thank you, Dec.

[Maggie_T]

I am so sick and tired of this, "We have to take the high road," "We are better than that," "We must be above the fray," "We should not stoop to the level of the Democrats," bullcorn.

No matter how outrageous, no matter how vile, no matter the lie, we are not supposed to answer?

That's the problem now. Extending a hand across the aisle, as opposed to taking the fight to the enemy.

That's the way the weak-kneed want us to deal with Democrats and Muslim Terrorists.

Show them how good we are, they will see the good in us and love us, and stop sticking a shiv in our ribs at every turn.

Does anyone see how stupid that tactic it?

Just keep kissing ass, you yellowbellied republican rubes. Just keep letting the Libs knock your head off at every turn.



ATTA GIRL!!!! :thumb:

Hon, you must make allowances for our ES. He's one of the High Priests of Civil Discourse. IOW, he believes in kissing the boot that kicks his ass.

But we love him all the same. :biggrin:

[buzzthepug!]

Michael Savage now calls him Barry Obama.

How about calling him the most Marxist candidate? Call him Marx.

[EveningStar]

Ahhhhh I see what you mean. So yes, if we refrain from referring to Brakattack Hussein Osama in a derogatory manner, the liberals and leftist ass-hats will no longer try to exploit, manipulate, twist or otherwise distort anything the republicans say. After all, that WAS their ONLY point of "contention" with us.
I never said that. I never implied that. I never thought that.

[Lubbock]

It sounds like anti-Muslim bigotry.

Just so you'll know, just so you'll never have any doubt, just so you'll never have to questions where I'm coming from, let me be real clear:

I AM STUFFED FULL OF ANTI-MUSLIM BIGOTRY.

I am running over with it.

Up to here.

Running out my ears.

I am the most Anti-Muslim person on the planet.

AND I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S PATOOTIE WHAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THINKS WHEN I USE OSAMA HUSSEIN OSAMABAMA'S MIDDLE NAME.

Get it?

Got it?

Good.

So stop with constant scolding. I'm up to here with you're Anti-Ann Coulter Bullshit, too.

How's that?

[Naturalized-Texan]

So stop with constant scolding. I'm up to here with you're Anti-Ann Coulter Bullshit, too.
:claps::claps::claps: :thumb::thumb::thumb:

[EveningStar]

I am so sick and tired of this, "We have to take the high road," "We are better than that," "We must be above the fray," "We should not stoop to the level of the Democrats," bullcorn.

No matter how outrageous, no matter how vile, no matter the lie, we are not supposed to answer?

That's the problem now. Extending a hand across the aisle, as opposed to taking the fight to the enemy.

That's the way the weak-kneed want us to deal with Democrats and Muslim Terrorists.

Show them how good we are, they will see the good in us and love us, and stop sticking a shiv in our ribs at every turn.

Does anyone see how stupid that tactic it?

Just keep kissing ass, you yellowbellied republican rubes. Just keep letting the Libs knock your head off at every turn.
That is a total, utter distortion of what I said.

I do not believe in kissing up to the Ass Party. That's what Bush and the GOP congress critters do and it doesn't work.

The question I would ask about any tactic we use is this: Does it accomplish anything?

[EveningStar]

Michael Savage now calls him Barry Obama.

That's what he went by until he got into public life.

[EveningStar]

Just so you'll know, just so you'll never have any doubt, just so you'll never have to questions where I'm coming from, let me be real clear:

I AM STUFFED FULL OF ANTI-MUSLIM BIGOTRY.

I am running over with it.

Up to here.

Running out my ears.

I am the most Anti-Muslim person on the planet.
Does that include the Muslims in Iraq who are happy we are there?

So stop with constant scolding.I'm not scolding. I'm stating my opinion. I didn't realize that you wanted FC to be an echo chamber.

I'm up to here with you're Anti-Ann Coulter Bullshit, too.I'm not Anti-Ann Coulter but if she says something stupid I see nothing wrong in calling her on it.

[EveningStar]

Hon, you must make allowances for our ES. He's one of the High Priests of Civil Discourse. IOW, he believes in kissing the boot that kicks his ass.

But we love him all the same. :biggrin:
I don't believe in boot kissing. Bush has been doing that to the Democrats for 8 years and it hasn't done any good.

I'm glad you love me. I love you guys too. You're very down to earth. FC combines excellent debate without being pretentious. :)

[Rhino]

Well, folks, thanks for the replies. I guess I won't be posting this elsewhere. :biggrin::lol: Stubborn old cusses, ain't we? :evilgrin:

[EveningStar]

:lol: Stubborn old cusses, ain't we? :evilgrin:
I was thinking of posting this at FR. However, judging by the reception here, they would have banned me.

[Trance]

Barack Hussein Obama; B. Hussein Obama; Hussein Obama. Calling him that is neither pertinent nor clever nor cute. It makes those people look foolish, stupid, ignorant, and even bigoted.

But Liberals referring to Bush as Hitler is ok, huh?

[EveningStar]

But Liberals referring to Bush as Hitler is ok, huh?
No. Of course not. Don't be ridiculous. Is this the old "We must fight fire with fire" argument?

[gnome]

In streetfighting, the Marquess of Queensbury rules do not apply.

If it's a "street fight" and the rules don't apply, then why complain that the other side isn't following them?

Either one's tactics mean something or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

[DoctorDoom]

If it's a "street fight" and the rules don't apply, then why complain that the other side isn't following them?We don't expect RATs and liberals to be anything but buttwads. The problem is whiners telling us to be civil with RATs and liberals when decades of failure have shown it to be utterly futile.

[Lubbock]

Is this the old "We must fight fire with fire" argument?

You don't think it's time?

Who's going to do it if the Rank and File don't?

As you glibly pointed out, the "Leadership" hasn't done one damned thing to counter the attacks from the Left.

You sound just like the "Leadership" that is sorely lacking in the party.

Can't you hear yourself?

[Lubbock]

You can't have it both ways.

I don't know of anyone who's trying to have it both ways.

I would just like to see us score a point.

Just one lousy point on the scoreboard.

[EveningStar]

If it's a "street fight" and the rules don't apply, then why complain that the other side isn't following them?

Either one's tactics mean something or they don't. You can't have it both ways.
I wish I'd said that. Thanks. :thumb:

[Lazarus]

We don't expect RATs and liberals to be anything but buttwads. The problem is whiners telling us to be civil with RATs and liberals when decades of failure have shown it to be utterly futile.Egggzactly!

[EveningStar]

We don't expect RATs and liberals to be anything but buttwads. The problem is whiners telling us to be civil with RATs and liberals when decades of failure have shown it to be utterly futile.
I'm not a whiner. I'm not saying we should be civil with the left. I am saying that we shouldn't act like ignorant yahoos just because they do.

[EveningStar]

I don't know of anyone who's trying to have it both ways.

I would just like to see us score a point.

Just one lousy point on the scoreboard.
And calling Obama a Musilm when there's no proof to support it is going to do that?

[Lubbock]

Just who in the hell has called Obama a Muslim?

And just what in the hell does THAT have to do with the subject matter of which you initially started this thread?

I thought the subject was using Obama's legitimate, given middle name: Hussein.

Don't change the damned subject. The subject that you broached, I might add.

You're getting slaughtered here --except for the Lib who's siding with you, for your silly kowtowing to Political Correctness, Kiss Lib Ass whining, and now you want to change the subject.

I've come to the conclusion, you're more Lib than anything else.

Always in a hurry to scold Conservatives.

[Lubbock]

But we love him all the same. :biggrin:

You, maybe. Not me.

I'm sick of his Kiss Lib Ass Civil Discourse.

It's pure bullshit, and I'm sick of the Tsk, Tsk. Scold, Scold.

[Rhino]

:lol: Don't beat around the bush, Lubbock. Tell us what you really think! :rotflmbo:

[EveningStar]

Just who in the hell has called Obama a Muslim?
That's the whole idea behind using his middle name.

[Naturalized-Texan]

That's the whole idea behind using his middle name.
You're joking, of course. :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: Good one.

No one has claimed that B. Hussein Obama is a Muslim. However, he is clearly a hate-America, pro-terrorist leftist who advocates surrendering to the terrorists.

[MSGT]

That's the whole idea behind using his middle name.You mean his muslim middle name?

[EveningStar]

You mean his muslim middle name?
He's Barack Hussein Obama Jr. His father, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., was a Muslim.

[MSGT]

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[EveningStar]

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Is there any corroboration for this?

[Lubbock]

Perhaps his autobiography?

Ya think . . . ?

[EveningStar]

Perhaps his autobiography?

Ya think . . . ?
I haven't read any of his books.

[DesertFox]

Anti-Muslim bigotry, in today's environment, is more likely to gain votes than lose them. It's just that possibility that moves people to call Obama by his middle name.

[MSGT]

Is there any corroboration for this?There are lots of sites that claim it. Can I prove it.... no. Can you prove he isn't....no. To state emphatically that he isn't is silly. Why would you ever think that......because he said so :rotflmbo:. There is more circumstantial evidence that he is a muslim than that he isn't.



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[gnome]

We don't expect RATs and liberals to be anything but buttwads. The problem is whiners telling us to be civil with RATs and liberals when decades of failure have shown it to be utterly futile.

Ok... so...

If being uncivil makes liberals buttwads, why doesn't being uncivil make conservatives buttwads too? You're dodging the issue.

Or are you saying "liberals were buttwads first, so now we have to be?"

[DesertFox]

Nope. He's saying we politely put up with your shit long enough. Now we're flinging it back.

[gnome]

How's that different from saying "Liberals did it first!"

[DesertFox]

It's the difference between Japan bombing Pearl Harbor, and us fighting back. Fighting back is self defense. That's the difference.

[S-T]

I, like many others, simply use it because it irks his sheep followers.
Yep. I like it because it drives his supporters into a fit of rage. And while I doubt it will cost McCain a single vote, who cares? It's not like we have a Republican running this year.

It's time for many "pussies in republican costumes" to get the hell of "The High Road", because it's nothing but a culdesac.

Post of the year. That made me literally LOL.

[BuckeyeMike]

WHOSAYIN HE IS A MUSLIM? NOT MEEEEE....I'M SAYIN' HE'S AN

ASSHOLE THAT MIGHT BE A MUSLIM! Anybody's undies get in a knot over this ...............tough shit..........if you think it makes me look foolish......tough shit...I think YOU look foolish for making such a big deal out of it. I don't really care if your sensibilities get all jiggly because YOU don't like it.............so I look foolish..........so what...I happen to feeeeeel good every time I get to bring up this asshole's heritage as a reminder to folks that may have forgotten that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is an ASSHOLE!!!

[DeclinetoState]

Calling Barack Obama "Barack Hussein Obama" is not the same as calling George W. Bush "Shrub," "Smirk," "Chimp," "*" or anything else the left have been calling him for the last eight years.

[Rhino]

Nope. He's saying we politely put up with your shit long enough. Now we're flinging it back.The correct term is flinging "poo". :evilgrin:

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[Maggie_T]

I'm not a whiner. I'm not saying we should be civil with the left. I am saying that we shouldn't act like ignorant yahoos just because they do.


So calling a person by his given name is being an ignorant yahoo? :question:


You're right, ES. I gave myself the name of Maggie. But if you call me that, you're all ignorant yahoos.

So from now on, you can call me Your Majesty. :evilgrin:

[Maggie_T]

Ok... so...

If being uncivil makes liberals buttwads, why doesn't being uncivil make conservatives buttwads too? You're dodging the issue.

Or are you saying "liberals were buttwads first, so now we have to be?"


I'm sure the Doc can answer for himself, so I won't even try.

As for me, I don't care what you High Priests of Civil Discourse and Terminally Sensitive people say about me. I'll be civil to liberals when a) they are civil to conservatives (especially the Christian variety) first, and/or b) when they stop being liberals.

And just in case I was not clear enough, I thoroughly, unrepentantly, candidly DISLIKE liberals of every nationality, skin color, gender and/ or gender orientation. I always have and always will.

And I know they feel exactly the same way towards me, even if they don't have the guts or the honesty to admit it.

And I know that when they get to the WH (as you all know, I consider McCain a liberal), they will only make our life a living hell.

So I bitterly cling to my guns and my religion, waiting for the time when those who hate me because I'm not like them flood the country with hordes of illiterate, illegal immigrants, whom they will give more rights and bennies they give American born citizens.

Capisce?

[gnome]

It's the difference between Japan bombing Pearl Harbor, and us fighting back. Fighting back is self defense. That's the difference.

In the case of Pearl Harbor it is undisputable that the Japanese attacked first. Is that even determinable in partisan bickering?

Your claim is it is in response to what liberals do. If the liberals claim their tactics are in response to what conservatives do, how do you determine who's accurate?

Personally I think it's reprehensible on all sides.

[DesertFox]

In the case of Pearl Harbor it is undisputable that the Japanese attacked first. Is that even determinable in partisan bickering?Yep, it sure is determinable.

Your claim is it is in response to what liberals do. If the liberals claim their tactics are in response to what conservatives do, how do you determine who's accurate?You look at history. You don't have to go any further back than the Robert Bork hearings. Ted Kennedy lyingly accused Bork of being a racist, and on that basis Bork was not approved for the SCOTUS. That was a major travesty.

Nor was it the only time liberals flat-out lied about conservatives. Move forward five years to the Clarence Thomas high-tech lynching. That, too, was a thick tissue of one lie after another. These are not the only two, nor are they the most recent. Liberals started this game of lying about their opponents and using the courts to sideline them -- witness what the asshole in Texas did to Tom Delay, going thru six grand juries before he got one that was liberal enough to bring charges -- which were subsequently thrown out, but not before Delay had to surrender his House position to fight it. Remember Bush I promising not to raise taxes? Tom Daschle persuaded him that he needed to; Bush said he would sign the bill to raise taxes if Daschle and the Democrats didn't make political hay of it. Daschle agreed. The ink was barely dry on the document when Daschle called a press conference and told the whole nation that G.H.W. Bush had lied to America and was going back on his no-taxes promise.

Personally I think it's reprehensible on all sides.No doubt. But find me comparable issues where conservatives lied about liberals. I don't mean the local dog catcher; I mean national-level politics. I can name one after another against Democrats. You will have to look long and hard to find comparable cases, and I don't think you'll even find comparable cases, much less comparable numbers of them

You are operating on the assumption that everybody plays hard and dirty and it all equals out in the end. No, it doesn't. It isn't even close. Liberals began this war of hyper nasty, they have prosecuted it far beyond any get-even point and they just get nastier and nastier as time goes on. Republicans uniformly trail Democrats in this sort of thing; the Dems begin it and keep it up, and then after a few years a Republican here and there begins answering in kind.

[Lubbock]

I don't know of anyone who has hit back harder, or made the Dems/Libs look any more foolish, or has had more success in calling their hand on the lies they tell than Ann Coulter --whom I might add, our "High Priest" of Civil Discourse never misses an opportunity to take a swipe at.

Our "High Priest" of Civil Discourse, it seems, only calls for civil discourse when it comes to Conservatives.

[DoctorDoom]

Liberal civility and other myths (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=45078)

You whiners are invited to read through the quotes and then tell us how saying

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/BB%20Pix/BHO.gif

is equal to even the mildest of them.

[Naturalized-Texan]

No doubt. But find me comparable issues where conservatives lied about liberals. I don't mean the local dog catcher; I mean national-level politics. I can name one after another against Democrats. You will have to look long and hard to find comparable cases, and I don't think you'll even find comparable cases, much less comparable numbers of them.
The difference is that conservatives don't have to lie about liberals to discredit them. All we conservatives have to do is just tell the truth about liberals. In stark contrast, as you pointed out, liberals have to lie about conservatives in order to discredit them.

[Lazarus]

Doc, as usual I stand in awe of your research abilities... However, i went temprarily blind while reading that viscous lefty bilge-water, so I only ask, did you remember to include the famous Alec Baldwin meltdown calling for Henry Hyde to be lynched and his family murdered?

"They voted on one article of impeachment already. And I come back from Africa to stained dresses and cigars and this and impeachment. I am thinking to myself, in other countries they are laughing at us 24 hours a day and I’m thinking to myself, if we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, [starts to shout] all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I’m not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families. [stands up, yelling] What is happening in this country? What is happening? UGHHH!"
http://www.celiberal.com/showCeliberal.php?id=1

[DeclinetoState]

Don't forget Julianne Malveaux (http://www.mediaresearch.org/notablequotables/dishonor1999/welcomeaward6.asp):

"The man is on the Court. You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. Well, that’s how I feel. He is an absolutely reprehensible person."
-- USA Today columnist and Pacifica Radio talk show host Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas, November 4, 1994 PBS To the Contrary.

[Lazarus]

Kinda puts ES's concern over the Hussein nametag in perspective, don't it?

[EveningStar]

You folks are missing the point, or maybe deliberately ignoring it.

Of course liberals have said worse things about us. Much worse. And they get away with it. They profit by it. They come out smelling like roses. I don't need to be reminded of that.

We don't get away with it. We don't profit by it.

[EveningStar]

Don't forget Julianne Malveaux (http://www.mediaresearch.org/notablequotables/dishonor1999/welcomeaward6.asp):

I'm quite well aware of this vile person's comment. I'm even more aware that she got a pass for it.

[EveningStar]

Kinda puts ES's concern over the Hussein nametag in perspective, don't it?
No, it doesn't. I wasn't talking about the vile statements the left has made against us. I was talking about our stupid comments.

[EveningStar]

Liberal civility and other myths (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=45078)

You whiners are invited to read through the quotes and then tell us how saying

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/BB%20Pix/BHO.gif

is equal to even the mildest of them.
I know that the left has said worse things about us.

[Lubbock]

Kinda puts ES's concern over the Hussein nametag in perspective, don't it?

Yeah. And to reiterate Gonz's World Class Post, ES needs to quit riding his High Horse into the cul de sac.


Tsk, Tsk. Scold, scold.

[DoctorDoom]

... did you remember to include the famous Alec Baldwin meltdown calling for Henry Hyde to be lynched and his family murdered?Yep. Post #3.

[DeclinetoState]

Liberals only profit from their childish name-calling of conservatives when we laugh at it or ignore it altogether—or allow them to equate it with reminding everyone of Sen. Obama's legal middle name.

[EveningStar]

Yeah. And to reiterate Gonz's World Class Post, ES needs to quit riding his High Horse into the cul de sac.


Tsk, Tsk. Scold, scold.
I never said, implied, or thought that liberals were civil. They're not. But they get away with it. We say things that are not nearly as bad, and we don't get away with it.

[EveningStar]

Liberals only profit from their childish name-calling of conservatives when we laugh at it or ignore it altogether—or allow them to equate it with reminding everyone of Sen. Obama's legal middle name.
No. Many of the rank and file listen to them and vote accordingly.

As i said in the first post of this thread, the only reason some people call him by his middle name is to imply that he's a Muslim.

[EveningStar]

The intellectual dishonesty displayed by some of you is disappointing.

[Lubbock]

I never said, implied, or thought that liberals were civil. They're not. But they get away with it. We say things that are not nearly as bad, and we don't get away with it.

So.

If rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it?

CAN YOU HEAR YOURSELF???

HAS IT NOT DAWNED ON YOU YET, HOW SILLY YOU SOUND?!?

[EveningStar]

So.

If rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it?

CAN YOU HEAR YOURSELF???

HAS IT NOT DAWNED ON YOU YET, HOW SILLY YOU SOUND?!?
How about if we point out the uncivil behavior of the left without engaging in it ourselves.

[Lubbock]

How about if we point out the uncivil behavior of the left without engaging in it ourselves.

Someone else is going to have to take it from here.

DF, you're up.

Doc, you're in the On Deck Circle.

[DoctorDoom]

You folks are missing the point, or maybe deliberately ignoring it.We know your "point". We're just tired of it.

Of course liberals have said worse things about us. Much worse. And they get away with it. They profit by it. They come out smelling like roses. I don't need to be reminded of that.We're all aware that you are dazzlingly brilliant. However, we're addressing the mere mortals who are NOT omniscient, particularly the newcomers who have not seen the Reader's Digest condensed version of liberal hatred.

We don't get away with it. We don't profit by it.And do we "get away with" or "profit by" being civil and nice and sweet? No. All that achieves is demonstrating that the libs can say and do any bloody thing they please to us and we'll just sit there and smile.

Kid, that be-nice crap is for finishing school. Out here in Realityland, the only way to deal with liberals is to put in the Jaws teeth ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Entertainment/KielJaws.jpg

... rip their fugging jugulars out, and savor the salty taste of their gushing blood.

You may think that our side should be like this ...

lhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Critters/JackRussel.jpg

... but this is what's required.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Critters/RottweilerTeeth.jpg

[Naturalized-Texan]

You folks are missing the point, or maybe deliberately ignoring it.

Of course liberals have said worse things about us. Much worse. And they get away with it. They profit by it. They come out smelling like roses. I don't need to be reminded of that.

We don't get away with it. We don't profit by it.
But we don't lie to discredit libs like they have to lie about us. We just tell the truth - e.g., using Barack Hussein Obama's full real name, or in abbreviated form: B. Hussein Obama. Since that's his real name, there is nothing wrong or uncivil about using it.

[DeclinetoState]

If we were making fun of Robert C. Byrd and calling him "Robert KKK Byrd" instead (as some of us do sometimes), I could see ES's argument. Presumably, Sen. Byrd is no longer a member of the KKK, and has not been for many years. However, in the case of Sen. Obama, his legal middle name is Hussein, and his father was, at least for part of his life, a practicing Muslim. So I don't think it's unfair or childish to remember what his middle name is, or to include it in posts.

[ldb83]

... but this is what's required.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Critters/RottweilerTeeth.jpg


As the picture suggests, the rabid dogs end up chained to a light pole in an alley. If you can't behave with civility, then you're forced to isolate yourself to the handful of hiding spots where your uncontrolled rage can be reluctantly tolerated.

Same goes for liberals and their websites/street corners.

[DoctorDoom]

As the picture suggests, the rabid dogs end up chained to a light pole in an alley.Rabid? Do you have a microclue, child?

If you can't behave with civility, then you're forced to isolate yourself to the handful of hiding spots where your uncontrolled rage can be tolerated.I see no "uncontrolled rage" here, liberal child. I see people who are thoroughly pissed off at what libeRATs are doing to America while the GOP grovels at their feet and begs, "Please like us!"

Those leftist sons of bitches dish out their hatred 24/7, but if anyone so much as snarls at them, they slither into their hidey-holes and whimper pitifully about being picked on by the mean, intolerant, uncivil conservatives.

F' the bastards. I don't give a shit if they don't like me. My goal in life is to make liberals loathe me with an undying passion because I refuse to tolerate their bullshit.

Let them feel the wrath of the right. When the last liberal assumes ambient temperature, then America will once more be great.

[EveningStar]

But we don't lie to discredit libs like they have to lie about us. We just tell the truth - e.g., using Barack Hussein Obama's full real name, or in abbreviated form: B. Hussein Obama. Since that's his real name, there is nothing wrong or uncivil about using it.

He doesn't go by Barack Hussein Obama.

Ted Kennedy doesn't go by Edward Moore Kennedy.

Jay Rockefeller doesn't go by John Davison Rockefeller IV.

Once again, John McCain doesn't go by John Sidney McCain III.

Etc...

[ldb83]

I see no "uncontrolled rage" here, liberal child.

Those leftist sons of bitches...

F' the bastards. I don't give a shit if they don't like me. My goal in life is to make liberals loathe me with an undying passion because I refuse to tolerate their bullshit.

Let them feel the wrath of the right.

Huh. Welp. No comment necessary.

[DoctorDoom]

Huh. Welp. No comment necessary.That's perfectly controlled ire, kid. Uncontrolled rage would involve my tracking you down and reducing you to a bloody mass with a machete while laughing maniacally.

Go back to IIDB, little one, and return when you can't stay as long.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:moo: Do y'all know what John the Baptist has in common with Winnie the Pooh? They both have the same middle name.

[DoctorDoom]

It's a very common middle name -- Eric the Red; Vlad the Impaler; most British kings, e.g., Henry the Eighth; Richard the Lionhearted; Ming the Merciless; etcetera.

[DeclinetoState]

Billy the Kid, Jack the Ripper . . .

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:moo: Hägar the Horrible, Peter the Great, William the Impeached, Longhorn the Magnificent,...

[Naturalized-Texan]

He doesn't go by Barack Hussein Obama.

Ted Kennedy doesn't go by Edward Moore Kennedy.

Jay Rockefeller doesn't go by John Davison Rockefeller IV.

Once again, John McCain doesn't go by John Sidney McCain III.

Etc...:question: :libsoffmeds:
So? Nothing in your post is relevant to whether or not calling Barack Hussein Obama by his given name is uncivil. There is no way that referring to a person by his or her given name can be considered uncivil. By claiming otherwise, you prove that you don't have a clue. :stfu:

[EveningStar]

So? Nothing in your post is relevant to whether or not calling Barack Hussein Obama by his given name is uncivil. There is no way that referring to a person by his or her given name can be considered uncivil. By claiming otherwise, you prove that you don't have a clue. :stfu:
As i said in my first post and as I keep saying, the only reason some people are calling him by his middle name is to imply that he's a Muslim - something that hasn't been proven.

[Naturalized-Texan]

As i said in my first post and as I keep saying, the only reason some people are calling him by his middle name is to imply that he's a Muslim - something that hasn't been proven.
Yeah, I noticed that you have never proven your your assertion. Until and unless you provide that proof, :stfu:.
:getlife:

[EveningStar]

Yeah, I noticed that you have never proven your your assertion. Until and unless you provide that proof, :stfu:.
:getlife:

It's true that I have no proof that people who call Obama by his middle name are implying that he's a Muslim. However, as evidenced by this thread (http://freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=56647), McCain wasn't exactly thrilled by it. I've also heard Medved criticize it.

I respect you, NT, and I don't tell you to :stfu:. I value your opinion. I've been merely stating mine. And I do have a very good life, thank you.

[BuckeyeMike]

As i said in my first post and as I keep saying, the only reason some people are calling him by his middle name is to imply that he's a Muslim - something that hasn't been proven.


So effen what?

If that is what THEY want to do...it's none of your damned business!
If YOU don't want to do it......DON'T! Looking down your nose through your rose colored glasses and giving us your "holier-than-thou" bullshit makes YOU look foolish or worse. Give it a rest already, and climb down from your ivory tower.....nobody here is particularly impressed. In fact, you've become boring.

[buckeyepete]

I'll come right out and say that as far as I'm concerned, BAMMY is a MUZZSIE terrorists sleeper cell, just being bred to silently creep into the POTUS position in the US.

This piece of shit has already denounced his 'white trash mother' and his 'typical white grand mother', yet glorified his black Kenyrad father that deserted him and his 'white ' mother when he was two years old.

He has had a solid muzzie upbringing, and his only conversion to the Christian faith, was the same that JUDAS WRIGHT himself converted to Christianity.

There, you have it, I DECLARE THAT BARACK HUSAINE OBAMMA, is a frigging muzzie terrorist, and I make no apologizes for it. And, that goes for his comrade, Judas Wright.

[gnome]

Yep, it sure is determinable.

You look at history. You don't have to go any further back than the Robert Bork hearings. Ted Kennedy lyingly accused Bork of being a racist, and on that basis Bork was not approved for the SCOTUS. That was a major travesty.

Nor was it the only time liberals flat-out lied about conservatives. Move forward five years to the Clarence Thomas high-tech lynching. That, too, was a thick tissue of one lie after another. These are not the only two, nor are they the most recent. Liberals started this game of lying about their opponents and using the courts to sideline them -- witness what the asshole in Texas did to Tom Delay, going thru six grand juries before he got one that was liberal enough to bring charges -- which were subsequently thrown out, but not before Delay had to surrender his House position to fight it. Remember Bush I promising not to raise taxes? Tom Daschle persuaded him that he needed to; Bush said he would sign the bill to raise taxes if Daschle and the Democrats didn't make political hay of it. Daschle agreed. The ink was barely dry on the document when Daschle called a press conference and told the whole nation that G.H.W. Bush had lied to America and was going back on his no-taxes promise.

No doubt. But find me comparable issues where conservatives lied about liberals. I don't mean the local dog catcher; I mean national-level politics. I can name one after another against Democrats. You will have to look long and hard to find comparable cases, and I don't think you'll even find comparable cases, much less comparable numbers of them

You are operating on the assumption that everybody plays hard and dirty and it all equals out in the end. No, it doesn't. It isn't even close. Liberals began this war of hyper nasty, they have prosecuted it far beyond any get-even point and they just get nastier and nastier as time goes on. Republicans uniformly trail Democrats in this sort of thing; the Dems begin it and keep it up, and then after a few years a Republican here and there begins answering in kind.

If you think dirty politics started with Robert Bork you're not going back in history far enough. Just for a simple example, look at the election of 1884. Cleveland and Blaine were telling huge whoppers about each other.

If you're asking me to compare low blows and somehow try to convince you which is "worse" I've no interest. It's a subjective judgment.

I will never be proud of dirty tricks in politics, even from the people that I wind up voting for. The problem is that a dirty trick doesn't change my ideology. If I was looking for a clean nose to vote for... tell me where to find it.

In the meantime I can't condemn the tactics of only one side.

[EveningStar]

In the meantime I can't condemn the tactics of only one side.
Neither can I. The Democrats have said horrible things over the years. The MSM gives them a pass. People on our side say things that are not nearly as bad and we get clobbered. It backfires on us. Also, it leaves us with no room to condemn them. And a lot of our attacks against the left on based on their tactics (as well as their beliefs, of course).

[EveningStar]

I'll come right out and say that as far as I'm concerned, BAMMY is a MUZZSIE terrorists sleeper cell, just being bred to silently creep into the POTUS position in the US.

This piece of shit has already denounced his 'white trash mother' and his 'typical white grand mother', yet glorified his black Kenyrad father that deserted him and his 'white ' mother when he was two years old.

He has had a solid muzzie upbringing, and his only conversion to the Christian faith, was the same that JUDAS WRIGHT himself converted to Christianity.

There, you have it, I DECLARE THAT BARACK HUSAINE OBAMMA, is a frigging muzzie terrorist, and I make no apologizes for it. And, that goes for his comrade, Judas Wright.

DEATH, TO THEM BOTH.......................

If nothing else, that's an honest statement.

[Gato es Verde]

Quite a few folks on our side think that it's pertinent to refer to Obama by his middle name, Hussein. They say things like, "Well it is his middle name, isn't it?" "Why didn't he change his name if he didn't want his middle name used?"

We don't apply this to John McCain. We don't go around referring to John Sidney McCain III, do we?

Look. In truth, they are trying to imply that he's a Muslim. The problem? There's no proof that he's a Muslim. Yes, Hussein is a Arabic name and is commonly used by Muslims. Yes, his father was a Muslim. But once again, there's no proof that he's a Muslim. None.

Barack Hussein Obama; B. Hussein Obama; Hussein Obama. Calling him that is neither pertinent nor clever nor cute. It makes those people look foolish, stupid, ignorant, and even bigoted.

In short, it's backfiring. It will lose us more votes than it will gain.


Since when do we worry about hurting Democrats feelings? I mean seriously, what the hell?

They've been calling President Bush everything but George Bush for 9 years and we're supposed to be concerned about their candidate being referred to by his own, God-given middle name?

Piss on 'em all.

[Naturalized-Texan]

It's true that I have no proof that people who call Obama by his middle name are implying that he's a Muslim..
Thanks for confirming the obvious. Since you made the accusation, it's up to you to provide the proof. Since you admit that you have no proof, then further discussion is useless.

BTW, you have no right to censor anything that any of us post, so quit trying.

[EveningStar]

Since when do we worry about hurting Democrats feelings? I mean seriously, what the hell?

They've been calling President Bush everything but George Bush for 9 years and we're supposed to be concerned about their candidate being referred to by his own, God-given middle name?

Piss on 'em all.
Don't be ridiculous and don't be dishonest. I'm not concerned about hurting the Democrats feelings. I am concerned about us looking stupid. I am concerned about us looking like hypocrites for condemning the tactics of the left and then resorting, to a lesser degree, to those same tactics.

[EveningStar]

Thanks for confirming the obvious. Since you made the accusation, it's up to you to provide the proof. Since you admit that you have no proof, then further discussion is useless.

BTW, you have no right to censor anything that any of us post, so quit trying.
I'm not trying to censor anyone. Where did you come up with that?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I am concerned about us looking stupid.

Looking stupid to WHOM??

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:question: I wonder if EveningStar has convinced anyone.

[DeclinetoState]

Don't be ridiculous and don't be dishonest. I'm not concerned about hurting the Democrats feelings. I am concerned about us looking stupid. I am concerned about us looking like hypocrites for condemning the tactics of the left and then resorting, to a lesser degree, to those same tactics.
I don't think we "look stupid" when we remember Barack Obama's middle name and the fact that his father, for at least part of his life, was a practicing Muslim.

[EveningStar]

Looking stupid to WHOM??
That was part of a statement, but I'll answer your question anyway.

I don't want us to look stupid, or hypocritical, or dishonest to the people we're trying to win over - the swing voters. We're telling these people that we're better than the other side.

[Gato es Verde]

Don't be ridiculous and don't be dishonest. I'm not concerned about hurting the Democrats feelings. I am concerned about us looking stupid. I am concerned about us looking like hypocrites for condemning the tactics of the left and then resorting, to a lesser degree, to those same tactics.

I think its ridiculous that you're worried what the Democrats and so-called independents think of "us".

Politics is a contact-sport, if Barack "What-A-Crock" Obama and his fans are so spineless that they can't even handle the invocation of his God-given middle name, they are gonna have a hell of a time over the next 6 months when the Republican party sets loose on him.

[EveningStar]

I don't think we "look stupid" when we remember Barack Obama's middle name and the fact that his father, for at least part of his life, was a practicing Muslim.
Is Obama a Muslim?

Woody Harrelson's father (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Harrelson#Early_life) was a murderer. Is he a murderer too? (Yes. I know he's a liberal.)

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

That was part of a statement, but I'll answer your question anyway.

I don't want us to look stupid, or hypocritical, or dishonest to the people we're trying to win over - the swing voters. We're telling these people that we're better than the other side.

No such voter, imho. And even if there WERE, if THIS is what turns them off, who needs them? Your lecture has been heard, why not give it a rest -- we are all well aware now how you feel about this and Ann Coulter. Move along home. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RMr5gRiclY)

[Gato es Verde]

Is Obama a Muslim?

Woody Harrelson's father (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Harrelson#Early_life) was a murderer. Is he a murderer too? (Yes. I know he's a liberal.)




Obama is not a Muslim - that one was settled a long time ago.

[EveningStar]

I think its ridiculous that you're worried what the Democrats and so-called independents think of "us".

Politics is a contact-sport, if Barack "What-A-Crock" Obama and his fans are so spineless that they can't even handle the invocation of his God-given middle name, they are gonna have a hell of a time over the next 6 months when the Republican party sets loose on him.
The Democrats will never like us. I know that. That's not my concern.

Now, how is calling Obama by his middle name going to help us?

[EveningStar]

No such voter, imho. And even if there WERE, if THIS is what turns them off, who needs them? Your lecture has been heard, why not give it a rest -- we are all well aware now how you feel about this and Ann Coulter. Move along home. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RMr5gRiclY)

Are you saying I shouldn't respond to people when they respond to me?

[Rhino]

You may think that our side should be like this ...

lhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Critters/JackRussel.jpg

... but this is what's required.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Critters/RottweilerTeeth.jpgIt may just be me, but I think this would have been better as the first picture.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m212/omahabob/labpup.jpg

[DesertFox]

how is calling Obama by his middle name going to help us?By pointing out that his allegiance isn't to us. It may not be to Islam, but that doesn't mean it's to us.

[Gato es Verde]

The Democrats will never like us. I know that. That's not my concern.

Now, how is calling Obama by his middle name going to help us?

It's going to make me laugh. I like to laugh. We need bumper-stickers ...

Barack Hussein Obama
Clinging to your guns out of bitterness.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

:shake: I KNEW not to post in this thread, but I did it anyway. :punish:

[BuckeyeMike]

The foolishness began when Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his syncophants got their Speedos in a knot and all but forbad the use of his LEGAL middle name.....now you come along and foment this bullshit. One's gotta ask....just who IS the fool here....tain't us......must be YOU.........and Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Ya got anything else that we here at FreeConservatives do or say that knots your Fruit-of-the-Looms?

[DesertFox]

I don't want us to look stupid, or hypocritical, or dishonest to the people we're trying to win over - the swing voters. We're telling these people that we're better than the other side.You have no grasp of what actually happens in the minds of those swing voters. Going negative works, as has been shown countless times. If they go negative -- which is a way of life with liberals -- and we don't respond, the swing voters think, "It's TRUE what the liberals said about them!" So anybody with a brain swings back.

[EveningStar]

The foolishness began when Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his syncophants got their Speedos in a knot and all but forbad the use of his LEGAL middle name.....now you come along and foment this bullshit. One's gotta ask....just who IS the fool here....tain't us......must be YOU.........and Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Ya got anything else that we here at FreeConservatives do or say that knots your Fruit-of-the-Looms?
When did the Obama people forbid us to use his middle name? He chose not to use it. Many people choose not to use their middle name. Some people, like Romney, choose not to use their first name.

[DeclinetoState]

Most swing voters have no idea of who they're going to vote for till they get into the voting booth (and even then . . .). A few might say to themselves, "Barack Obama: ain't his middle name Hoo-sein? He must be related to that Sodom Hoo-sein fellow. Well, I ain't votin' for him." It's much less likely that one of these ninnies will say, "Barack Hussein Obama? I like that name 'Hussein.' I'll vote for him!" Unfortunately, in a close election, you may need the idiot votes on your side, and the vote counters don't know the IQ of the person casting a particular ballot.

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[Rhino]

:moo: Do y'all know what John the Baptist has in common with Winnie the Pooh? They both have the same middle name.
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I missed this one earlier.

[BuckeyeMike]

When did the Obama people forbid us to use his middle name? He chose not to use it. Many people choose not to use their middle name. Some people, like Romney, choose not to use their first name.

One....I said "all but forbad"..........geeez! Comprehension?
Two... Google "Barack Obama's middle name".......there's a boat load of it for ya.
Yeah, he chose not to use it....maybe you should ask him why? We all have our suspicions why..............doesn't mean that just because he has reasons not to use it we can't. And we should not be vilified for doing so by the llikes of you.

edit: I'll simplify it for you..........WE use it........for the same reason HE doesn't! Now ya got it?

[EveningStar]

One....I said "all but forbad"..........geeez! Comprehension?
You got me there. :)