U.S. seeks to widely expand DNA database

[MSGT]

The U.S. government will soon begin collecting DNA samples from all citizens arrested in connection with any federal crime and from many immigrants detained by federal authorities, adding genetic identifiers from more than 1 million individuals a year to the swiftly growing federal law enforcement DNA database. The policy will substantially expand the current practice of routinely collecting DNA samples from only those convicted of federal crimes, and it will build on a growing policy among states to collect DNA from many people who are arrested. Thirteen states do so now and turn their data over to the federal government.




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24173094

[Rhino]

Good.

[DesertFox]

Guess they don't need no fingerprints no mo.

[MSGT]

http://theithacan.org/blogs/brink/files/2007/12/130-126big-brother-is-watching-you-posters.jpg

[Rhino]

Using DNA to track criminals is hardly Big Brother. If it was, then fingerprints and mug shots would be Big Brother too.

[MSGT]

But these aren't criminals. This is anyone detained. Just one step away from requiring all to give dna.

[Rhino]

Again, no different from fingerprints and mug shots.

[Rhino]

The new federal rule will conform to current law, which requires the removal of DNA profiles from the database when a conviction is reversed or when an arrest does not result in conviction. An individual must petition for expungement, Ablin said. Civil liberties advocates say removal should be automatic. Same link.

[MSGT]

Again, no different from fingerprints and mug shots.I never liked those either for innocent people.

[MSGT]

Same link.Completely overlooked that :doh:and at the same time don't believe the gov. I guess I got nuttin to bitch about until it's shown where the gov is keeping all records.

[MSGT]

I still have problems with this. Do you have to file with the courts to have your DNA removed or what procedure is required? Who has oversight?

While fingerprints have been collected for a long time they can be used for identification only. DNA on the other hand is full of info about a person that we're still finding out.

Don't like it. Don't trust it. Don't want it.

[The_Sonarman]

Criminals having their DNA records retained? I don't have much of a problem with that. Almost all those criminals end up being lifetime repeat offenders. That would mean more felons caught through that DNA snapshot.

As to the government retaining fingerprint records.... I've been dealing with that all my adult life. No big deal. That's a "voluntary" condition.

The military took multiple copies of my fingerprints on condition of my holding a security clearance. Providing fingerprints is also a condition for my holding a security clearance as a civilian. It's also a condition for holding a Texas Concealed Carry permit. All three are basically "voluntary". I wasn't forced to join the military, I wasn't forced to hold a civilian security clearance, and I wasn't forced to hold a Texas CHL license. I sought to join the military, and I didn't have to work for a company doing government contracts.

[BuckeyeMike]

Then those of us that were drafted and had our fingerprints taken....we got a legitimate gripe? Ooops wait a minute......I "voluntarily" agreed to live to and beyond the age of 18.........I had a choice of ending my life at 17 and didn't.

[Beowulf]

As to the government retaining fingerprint records.... I've been dealing with that all my adult life. No big deal. That's a "voluntary" condition.


Speak for yourself! Between the military and my work on major airports where everyone is screened umpteen times, the authorities have my fingerprints on file more than any criminal does. Yes, I have a problem with it when I'm treated like a common criminal to prove that I'm not one.

[MSGT]

The Minnesota Department of Health wants to own the DNA of every citizen, starting at birth, for
the purpose of doing genetic research on individual citizens without consent. (SF 3138/H.F 3438)

Already, the DNA of 780,000 children is illegally owned and controlled by Minnesota
government in a State DNA warehouse. Already, the genetic information of more than 41,000
children has been used for genetic research inside and outside of the Minnesota Department of
Health...without parent knowledge or consent…or legal authority.

http://carvergop.blogspot.com/2008/03/voter-alert-mn-dna-warehouse-bill.html

[Beowulf]

Sounds like an infringement of our rights to me. If one has committed no crime, why should they be treated like a criminal?

[MSGT]

Sounds like an infringement of our rights to me. BIG time according to my last link.