Pro-abortion Catholic legislators simply don't get it.

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Pro-abortion Catholic legislators simply don't get it. (http://scott.sstibbs.com/2008_archives/blog_2008_060.html)

In an article about pro-abortion Catholic lawmakers receiving communion during the Pope's visit to the United States, Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351520,00.html) quotes a letter signed by 48 Catholic lawmakers (including Nancy Pelosi) when the issue became very heated in 2004:

"If Catholic legislators are scorned and held out for ridicule by Church leaders on the basis of a single issue, the Church will lose strong advocates on a wide range of issues that relate to the core of important Catholic social teaching," they wrote. "Moreover, criticism of us on a matter that is essentially one of personal morality will deter other Catholics from entering politics, and in the long run the Church will suffer."

The arrogant remark about "a single issue" demonstrates that these lawmakers simply do not get it. Abortion is far more than "a single issue". Since 1973, nearly 50 million human lives have been snuffed out by America's abortion industry under the protection of law. During that time, pro-abortion lawmakers have fought against restrictions on abortion, with some of the most radical even opposing bans on partial-birth abortion. The fifty million lives lost to America's abortion industry dwarfs even the brutal inhumanity of the Nazi Holocaust.

Furthermore, abortion is not an issue of "personal morality". Abortion is the killing of an innocent human being. Abortion is no more an issue of "personal morality" than child abuse, slavery, rape or murder. No behavior that harms another person can legitimately be called an issue of "personal morality". The arrogance of complaining that the church's position will "deter other Catholics from entering politics" is amazing. A church does not exist to appease human beings. A church exists to serve a holy and righteous God based on the guiding principles He gave to us in the Bible.

Catholic bishops who said they would deny communion to pro-abortion legislators in 2004 were right then, and they are right now. It is not the role of Catholic legislators to defy church teaching, unless they can demonstrate a clear Biblical basis for doing so. If these legislators truly consider themselves to be "Catholics", they should stand against the grave injustice of legal abortions.

Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? Proverbs 24:11-12 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=proverbs+24%3A11-12&version=NIV)

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[HomeschoolrsRUs]

The Ten Commandments weren't the Ten Suggestions, and the Holy Bible isn't just a book filled with fables and good feelings. There is right, and there is wrong, there is truth, and there is Absolute Truth. No Church is free to give passes for unBiblical and/or unChristian behavior -- they didn't write the Book nor are they the Creator of life. Those who refuse to compromise, stand on the side of God.

[garlicguy]

That these people call themselves Catholics, or worse yet, think for a moment that they are Catholics is annoying beyond measure. There is no negotiating with absolute truth and in their defiant opposition to the laws of God, they show by their ignorant actions and misleading verbiage ("condemned out of their own mouths" leaps to mind), that they do not truly acknowledge Him as God, but rather as their personal servant for their bidding.

We are all capable of such arrogance toward God, and our First Amendment Rights are intended to allow us to express such things freely. But it is disconcerting that such deceivers as these keep getting elected to high office in our land. Totally disgusting and reprehensible.

Since even such sins as these are forgiveable, I suggest we pray ever more for the conversion and repentance of all sinners, especially those in political office.

FWIW.

gg

[DoctorDoom]

The term "pro-abortion Catholic" is oxymoronic, like "intellectual liberal". The position of the Roman Catholic Church on the issue is clear, and it doesn't offer escape clauses. The RCC has every right to expect that those who call themselves Catholics should abide by its doctrines and teachings. If one cannot accept that, s/he should leave the church.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: If pro-abortion Catholics are dissuaded from running for office, the Catholic church would be better off. We all would.

[JOEVIKING]

The term "pro-abortion Catholic" is oxymoronic, like "intellectual liberal". The position of the Roman Catholic Church on the issue is clear, and it doesn't offer escape clauses. The RCC has every right to expect that those who call themselves Catholics should abide by its doctrines and teachings. If one cannot accept that, s/he should leave the church.


Exactly!!

I always tell the Catholics that I come across that are Pro Abortion or pro birth control, or anything that goes against the RCC that they should just go across the street to the Presbyterian Church and Join them. The RCC shouldn't have to change it's doctrine just so it makes it easier for them to follow and be a good member.

[Maggie_T]

And you are all right. Problem is that some "Catholics" are anything but. They want the best of both worlds. They want their faith, but they also want their faith to acquiesce to their every whim.

You're right. They don't "get it." And that's because the pro-abortion "Catholics" - an oxymoron, as the Doc accurately points out - are also liberals. You see, they LOVE the idea of "help the poor" ( :rolleyes: ), and "do not judge," and other nice mantras they only pay lip service to.

But then they run into "homosexuality is a sin," "abortion is a sin," and suddenly they are up shit creek with no paddle.

And that's when they start bleating about how they Catholic doctrine is "outdated" and has to be "brought into the 21st century." Which only means "the Church has to kowtow to 'Catholic"'liberals' every whim." Like government does.

When I lived in Maine, I used to tell those "Catholics" that it's man who should adapt to God's laws. Not the other way around. Talk about getting the proverbial "deer caught in the headlights" look.

To "Catholic" liberals, they Church is just another form of government, you see. :rolleyes:

Unless you speak to them in government terms, they just DON'T "get it."

[DeclinetoState]

I don't know why Catholics who are "pro-choice," but this page might provide some arguments: Why Abortion is Biblical (http://www.elroy.net/ehr/abortion.html)

<blockquote>Psalm 139:13-16 </blockquote>
Although this passage does make the point that God was involved in the creation of this particular human being, it does not state that during the creation the fetus is indeed a person. According to Genesis, God was involved in the creation of every living thing, and yet that doesn't make every living thing a full human person. In other words, just because God was involved in its creation, it does not mean terminating it is the same as murder. It's only murder if a full human person is destroyed.

But even if we agreed to interpret these verses the same way that anti-abortion Christians do, we still have a hard time arguing that the Bible supports an anti-abortion point of view. If anything, as we will soon see, abortion is biblical.

[DoctorDoom]

It's rationalization for infanticide. It's an excellent example of exegesis by silence, where something is assumed to be biblically justified because the Bible does not specifically condemn it. And it's shameless.