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d'urville
05-12-2008, 07:11 PM
Juan bought airtime in Oregon for this ad, starting today. Portland has been bombarded with all these Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama ads for over a month now, but at least they have a primary to eco-pander to:

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRHRRYHKIY)


I thought it was that bad - he might as well pick Al Gore to be his running mate. From the other Limbaugh:



If John McCain were truly a maverick, he would publicly break from the politically correct culture that demands obedience to its global warming narrative. But sadly, he continues to do the opposite.

Liberals have denominated McCain a maverick because he has taken so many positions contradictory to his party's platform and to the conservative ideology that undergirds it. Now that he is the putative Republican nominee, you don't hear much about his maverick nature, but it's certainly not because he's changed his ways in opposing his party.

Last week, he affirmed his commitment to comprehensive immigration reform, even though earlier he stepped back from it to curry favor with conservatives. One wonders what other shoes will inevitably drop should he win the presidency, especially because he has indicated he would most likely be a one-termer.


link (http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2008/05/new_column_john_1.html)

Way to shore up that right flank .

Lazarus
05-13-2008, 10:34 AM
McCain has abondoned us - he is courting the Left... He is ONE of THEM and he's desperately trying to win Democrat voters from Hilary and Obama... He's fishing for the disenchanted leftist voters that will be sitting there pouting when their candidate loses the nomination...

Oh he would like to have our votes, but that's mainly to soothe his ego... He wants the presidency more than anything in his life, but it would be so much more fun for his enormous ego if he doesn't have to hear the analysts talk about how the Conservatives rejected him...

He firmly believes his name will be recorded in American history as one of the great presidents... He wants to be thought of as the president that "healed the political rift" between the left and the right - Of course the only way he does that if to remove Conservatism and convert America to his socialist vision...

I think he believes we are headstrong cattle to be broken and managed...

Rhino
05-13-2008, 11:17 AM
Figures.

ThomasMore
05-13-2008, 11:40 AM
I had finally decided to vote for McCain, just to keep the Democrats out of the WH.

If he keeps talking like this, I might just vote for Barr.

buckeyepete
05-13-2008, 06:49 PM
Lets all switch. McKennedy is a traitor. Let him and Gorski run in '12', and see where they get....................

dPrasse
05-14-2008, 02:09 AM
I think he believes we are headstrong cattle to be broken and managed...

Good luck !

ThomasMore
05-14-2008, 02:34 AM
Bob Barr is by no means an ideal candidate.

His congressional reputation was as a fairly solid Reagan Republican, with occasional quirks. Like Gingrich, his marriage history leaves much to be desired: thrice married, with infidelities and one wife having had an abortion.

He is described as having acquiesced in his wife's abortion -- which on the surface sounds like he didn't have much choice in the matter.

And there is a big difference between a (former) three-term congressman and a President.

But, unlike McCain, he is at least 80 percent conservative.

Taking both ideology and the candidate's strength into account, comparing the Republican candidates for President to Barr, I would rank them as follows (best to worst):

Thompson (Fred)
Hunter
Romney
Brownback
Tancredo
Barr
Gilmore
Huckabee
Giuliani
McCain
Thompson (Tommy)
Paul
Keyes

The 2008 Presidential Election does not only determine the White House's next occupant. There are conservative Congressmen and Senators who face re-election and who will need the public and the Republican Party behind them in the following years.

It's a mess.

RogerFGay
05-14-2008, 09:10 AM
McCain has abondoned us - he is courting the Left... .

The Republican Party left over a quarter century ago. It's about time somebody noticed. McCain has just always been far less suave about wrapping far left (Big Lie, pork-barrel) politics in conservative rhetoric. He's not as concerned about maintaining the conservative image that's slowed the party down for so long. He - along with other's in the party - understand that the two-party system doesn't give us any choice in the matter. The two parties are shoving a New World Order (Big Lie, pork-barrel) agenda down our throats - and there's nothing we can do about it.

Lazarus
05-14-2008, 09:15 AM
Well as I said, I like Bob Barr but I don't like the Libertarians... So this year on the presidential vote my current plan (always flexible and subject to change if a better situation offers itself) is to "write-in" one of the Conservatives that should have gotten the Pub nomination - I'm leaning toward Tancredo... I've admired his dedication to our Constitution and our Freedoms for quite a wile now...

The reality is that since the Republican candidate is just another cookie cutter Leftist, my vote this year is a message of protest against Republican Party's foolish choice to join the Democrats on the Left and abandon Conservatism - To abandon the principles that Reagan lead us with - that is to say, to abandon ME...

If they want my vote, they can come back to the Right - I will compremise no more...

Maybe this year will see the birth of a true Conservative party, and the Pubs and Dems can be left fighting over and dividing up the Liberal vote... There are more than enough solid Conservatives to justify a political war for independance... All it needs is a strong leader to step up and encourage Conservative Senators, Congressmen, Governors, and state and local reps to find the courage to stand up for their principles... The problem is, I can't suggest who that leader might be... We need another Reagan in the worst way...

RogerFGay
05-14-2008, 09:18 AM
I would rank them as follows (best to worst):

Thompson (Fred)
Hunter
Romney
Brownback
Tancredo
Barr
Gilmore
Huckabee
Giuliani
McCain
Thompson (Tommy)
Paul
Keyes

It's a mess.

Glad to see Tommy Thompson near the bottom of your list. Romney should be there too; much for the same reasons. You probably only got to know Thompson better after he went to Washington, from his former job as Gov. of the socialist state of Wisconsin.

Lazarus
05-14-2008, 09:37 AM
I find it entertaining how we all rank the Pub choices at different levels... I would have put Tancredo above Hunter - maybe even above Fred... I have heard Tom Tancredo speak on government policy several times (beyond the immigration issue that he's mostly known for) and I yet to find any topic where he was anything but a rock solid Conservative, nor does he have any political/legistlative skeletons in his closet that need to be apologized for or explained away...

Fred has made it clear that he's not really interested anymore so I'm striking him off my list - The man has spoken and I can accept his wishes... At this point I could get excited to back a Tancredo/Hunter or Hunter/Tancredo ticket... That is my dream ticket today...

Its not inconceivable that we could see these two men come back in a much stronger position in the future after McCain and his Leftist friends have ruined the country... Reagan didnt win the nomination the first time he ran, but after 4 years of the Madness of King Jimmuh, America was ready for a real President again...

Lubbock
05-14-2008, 10:17 AM
McCain has abondoned us

One MAJOR disagreement, Laz.

McCain NEVER was one of us.

oldcoastie
05-14-2008, 10:31 AM
Lubbock is correct, at least in my opinion.

Is this country so used to poor leadership that its citizens will just accept more of the same?

Livia
05-14-2008, 12:12 PM
Why would keyes be at the bottom of your list?

The_Elucidator
05-14-2008, 12:53 PM
Why would keyes be at the bottom of your list?

Because people always forget where they put their Keyes...:smirky:

ThomasMore
05-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Keyes is a very articulate defender of conservative ideals.

But he has demonstrated very poor judgment as a political candidate; I would expect that if he somehow became President, he would be an utter disaster.

dPrasse
05-15-2008, 01:15 AM
Keyes is a very articulate defender of conservative ideals.

But he has demonstrated very poor judgment as a political candidate; I would expect that if he somehow became President, he would be an utter disaster.

I still have my Keyes for President and Keyes for IL US Senator yard signs ...

As a candidate , he does have problems ... but he definitely needs a position in a Republican White House and in the RNC ...

You know I'd like to see in the race in 08 ?
JC Watts ... I'd have loved to have had a Thompson(Fred , NOT Tommy ...)/Watts ticket this fall ,
but , a McCain/Watts ticket might get my vote ... depending on how many stupid ideas McCain comes up with in the next few months ...

Why not Watts on the top of the ticket >?
The RNC still doesn't get it ... Pelosi is kicking Repub ass in elections in the south with Democrats that are leaning more Conservative than the RINO's ...

HomeschoolrsRUs
05-15-2008, 09:00 AM
You know I'd like to see in the race in 08 ?
JC Watts ... I'd have loved to have had a Thompson(Fred , NOT Tommy ...)/Watts ticket this fall

That would have been a dream ticket imho too dP! But I don't think Watts is wanting the deep political life anymore. Hasn't he been working as a lobbyist? Thought I remember hearing something like that when I saw him on one of his infrequent appearances with the talking heads.

As far as I'm concerned, at this point, nothing could/would/can redeem McCain for my vote.

Lazarus
05-15-2008, 10:22 AM
...The RNC still doesn't get it ... Pelosi is kicking Repub ass in elections in the south with Democrats that are leaning more Conservative than the RINO's ...That comment sums it up... The Pubs, in their arrogant, anti-Conservative, County Club snobbery have cut their own throats... They have no one to blame but themselves...

I'm with Homes - And more so... I'm finished with not only McCain but the Republican party across the board... They have decided that they want to compete with the Dems for the Liberal vote - That Conservatism is no longer "in vogue"... And those Conservatives who are emotionally attached to the GOP are going to have to eventually wake up and admit they have been betrayed and abandoned...

Well the laws of economics exists even in politics and the Conservative voting block is too big to leave unclaimed - Someone in the not-too-distant future is going to step up and claim it with those principles that Conservatives believe in... With all these Conservative Democrats winning "traditional" Republican seats, we could see the unimaginable happen - We could see the Pubs and Dems swap places in the political world... Or we could see the rise of a new Conservative party (my preference, if the truth be known)...

Self-proclaimed Conservatives are going to have to decide who and what they are loyal to - Conservative principles or that gang of political thugs that call themselves Republicans...

When push comes to shove (and apparently that's where we are this year) I'm a Conservative, not a Republican party sheep...

So sayeth Laz...:flame:

Lazarus
05-15-2008, 10:27 AM
Keyes is a very articulate defender of conservative ideals.

But he has demonstrated very poor judgment as a political candidate; I would expect that if he somehow became President, he would be an utter disaster.Precisely, TM... It is his poor political judgement that will never let him anywhere near the oval office... IMO he's all but finished on the national stage... Right now he has about as much a chance at the Whitehouse as Ted Kennedy has... At one time he might have been a contender, but he's damaged goods now...

As for JC Watts, he could still have a serious career in some capacity with the Executive branch, even a shot at the top job, if he wants it...

Wouldn't it be a glorious show if Watts was the Pub candidate facing Obama... :biggrin:

Lazarus
05-15-2008, 10:35 AM
One MAJOR disagreement, Laz.

McCain NEVER was one of us.Technically you're right of course, Lub... But I was speaking in the broader sense that McCain has assumed the mantle of the leader of the Republican party, with ALL of its constitutents... And he has consciously chosen to section off the conservative element of the party, cut the rope, and let us drift...

In that sense, as the federal head of the Republican party, he has abandoned the power base that brought the Pubs into power under Reagan's example... We are an embarrassing branch of the family who he would love to ignore except that we have votes he needs to win... After he secures those votes he intends to tell us to go screw ourselves...

In fact he isnt even trying to hide his intentions before the election occurs... He's already showing us who and what he is - A Rock Solid Leftist tyrannt fully intending to drag America into his visiopn of Socialism and Bigger, more intrusive Government - Everything Conservatism is against...

Maggie_T
05-15-2008, 10:57 AM
McCain Runs Ads Touting Global Warming Threat


Yes, but that's not his fault. That's because ... wait, I have it here somewhere ... here it is ... "that's because his old lady's half his age. I hear she's got him all caught up on those seven years in Hanoi, and at his age that's gotta make a man limp."

:evilgrin:

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ThomasMore
05-16-2008, 02:25 AM
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Rhino
05-19-2008, 10:05 AM
:lol: