Help me defeat my liberal teacher!

[BeauF]

Hey guys I'd like to introduce myself as this is my first post on what seems to be an absolutely wonderful forum. Today was my first day of school at my highschool and I'm a Junior. Only minutes after entering my world geography class I knew my work was cut out for me. On the side of the wall was a monkey-like picture of President Bush with a "worry" button on his suit. Oh no!! It's happened!! I have a flaming Liberal teacher! Only minutes into his welcoming speech, he states his views on how we went into Iraq to stop Saddam from creating the "alleged" WMDs, how we would have no business in Iraq if it weren't for the oil in the region, and how come we are "ignoring" N. Korea when they claim they have WMDs. Now, I'm hoping I can take on his future ignorant point of views on my own, but I know the experience of my fellow conservatives on this forum can help me even more. Please Reply!

[Longhorn_Platinum]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon115.gif <font color="blue">Keep your eyes on this forum, &amp; little by little, you'll gather ammunition to counter your wacko teacher. BTW, I once had a student named Beau F., &amp; that's what I always called him.</font>

[crowTrobot]

When I saw liberal and teacher together I thought for sure you would have been from Boise, Idaho.

[Dash_Riprock]

Beau,

Write a letter to the school district superintendent complaining about the teacher. History is supposed to be rooted in facts, not opinions. Furthermore, complain about the depiction of President Bush in the picture on the wall in your classroom.

As for his assinine comments, ask him why we didn't take Iraq's oil in 1991 during the Gulf War if our goal is to seize their oil supplies. Then tell him to allow the students to come up with their own opinions instead of trying to indoctrinate them into his own political philosophy.

[DesertFox]

Also note that politics at any level is the art of the possible. It was possible to take out Saddam precisely because he didn't have nukes, and NOT possible to take out Kim Jong-Il precisely because he DOES have nukes.

This man sounds like a typical liberal idiot, demanding perfection in all things at all times when Republicans are in power, and excusing all evils when Dimocrats are in power.

[BeauF]

Guys, thanks for the replies. Hopefully with the knowledge that I will undoubtedly learn on this forum I will be even more prepared to argue his pointless ideas throughout the year. I only hope my grade doesn't reflect it.

[Hyu]

Beau,

Write a letter to the school district superintendent complaining about the teacher. History is supposed to be rooted in facts, not opinions. Furthermore, complain about the depiction of President Bush in the picture on the wall in your classroom.

Beau,

Don't take that advice.

Personally, there are few easier ways to look like a total loser in high school than taking class *too* seriously. Your best bet is to save your facts for the issues where you know he's wrong, and casually show him to be wrong in a way that looks like you're too cool to care.

If you look passionate, the other kids will think you're a loser.

Just a thought.

Then again, from the looks of it, your teacher may be right about a lot of things.

[DeclinetoState]

Read Hyu's posts and the responses to them and you'll have a pretty good idea of how to answer your teacher.

[DesertFox]

From the looks of it, your teacher's wrong about just about everything.

However, Hyu is correct in implying that you ought not challenge the teacher head-on in front of others. Better to collect your facts and write them up -- what he said, and your counter to it -- and hand it to him.

No one, teacher or otherwise, will countenance being made to look bad, and if you show him up in front of others you will not do well in his course. There are any number of ways to grade a kid down if that's what you really wanna do. The dishonest ones do it, and this twerp sounds as dishonest as they come based just on what you've told us.

[Hyu]

Read Hyu's posts and the responses to them and you'll have a pretty good idea of how to answer your teacher.

Except all the posts which have threatened me with phsyical harm or said that liberals like me will be hunted and killed when the "Revolution" comes.

If you use those posts as a way to respond to your teacher, you might find yourself being led out of the classroom in handcuffs.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Be careful, BeauF. Your teacher's in the driver seat, not you. I would advise you to avoid challenging him directly in the classroom; reserve that for written assignments, and even then keep it impersonal. If you do challenge him, keep it casual.

Statements that imply doubt or skepticism are better than direct questions. You might say, for example, "In view of how important the stability of the world's principal oil-producing regions is to the whole world, it seems wise that America be especially concerned about the political mayhem caused by brutal dictators like Sadam." Then follow up with a soft question like, "Wouldn't you agree?"

Lead him down the path with rhetorical questions that are expressed as statements, followed by soft questions.

[crowTrobot]

wmd's may not be the best topic to debate on right now Beau.

Try to keep it to topics you'll have concrete facts on.
Saddam was a dictator who tortured people.
Saddam didn't share the wealth that oil brings with the rest of the citizenry.
Try to get the focus on Clinton he's the darling of the NEA, the largest democratic union.
As him if he's seen Black Hawk Down, and why Clinton didn't give those boys armor.
There's just a ton of stuff on Clinton. If his conversation involves Clinton That's when I would spring him.

[SouthernReBelle]

If you look passionate, the other kids will think you're a loser.

Wow, Hyu, you certainly have practice in that one, don't you? Liberals are good at being fake martyrs especially when it came down to that bullsh*t in Sacramento last month. Dumb move on those liberal protestors.

Write a letter to the school district superintendent complaining about the teacher. History is supposed to be rooted in facts, not opinions. Furthermore, complain about the depiction of President Bush in the picture on the wall in your classroom.

No kidding, Beau. It seems that this school has hired your liberal teacher which is paid for by funds from the taxpayer which comes from your state government which comes from your FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. He should be removed.

Heather

[FatherTime]

Also move the debate towards union dues and ask the dork if he knows how much of his money is used for illegal political contributions.
(The NEA has been sued repeated [and lost repeatedly or settled] in federal and state courts)

My favorite debate is around which oil producing nation has the least amount of crime/lowest crime rates reported. (The USA)

Ask him what he thinks of the 3 recently executed Cuban people who were not even given an appeals, and bring up the issue of 300 inmates per year who die in prisons in Cuba. (more than all of the USA, which has 80x the prison population)

And finally, ask him if he supports merit based pay for teachers who are qualified to teach instead of guranteeing poorly trained teachers are never fired for incompetence.


-FT

[Dash_Riprock]

If you look passionate, the other kids will think you're a loser. Only to the losers, Beau. There will be at least a few of them who see you as a leader. Don't worry about being cool. Concern yourself with being the best. Then again, from the looks of it, your teacher may be right about a lot of things. Ah, yes. Just couldn't help yourself by adding that little zinger at the end. Tell me, what does that say about the impartiality and trustability of your comments prior to that statement?

[Large_Al]

BeauF Welcome to the board. Good luck with your teacher. If your teacher is bigoted, intolerant and shallow like Hyu you aren't going to make much headway. If your teacher is willing to listen to other point's of view and will respect your beliefs you could have a wonderful year. But chances are if he's a flaming Liberal he will insult you tell you that you are evil and then claim victim status.

Just remember facts are not something liberals believe in. They base their arguments on feelings.

[Human_Error]

Everyone here has given excellent advice. I agree with monitoring everything he says and making a very factual complaint to the school board and remember you can do this anonomously. Type it out and drop it in the mail.

[Trickster]

Why not go in, talk to him, and have him explain in full his opinions? Don't worry so much about defeating him- that's not the point. Have him share his ideas, and ask why he thinks them. You're not going to change his mind- so why not try to understand where he's coming from? A differing opinion isn't such a bad thing, and it can help you define and refine your own.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

FatherTime said:
And finally, ask him if he supports merit based pay for teachers who are qualified to teach instead of guranteeing poorly trained teachers are never fired for incompetence. http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/um.gif <font color="blue">Um, FatherTime, I've addressed this a few times, but apparently, you missed it. Merit pay for teachers is a BAD IDEÄ. Too many public "school" administrators wrongly judge teachers on the percentage of students who receive passing grades. The problem with that is that incompetent teachers ALWAYS falsify students's grades to make themselves appear competent. If you throw in merit pay for competence, you'll only be paying the incompetent teachers to falsify grades. Meanwhile, a competent teacher with a bad mix of students will get nothing.

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif Oh, &amp; hyu, BeauF is asking for advice from CON-SER-VA-TIVES. You're not one.</font>

[FatherTime]

Longhorn-

As the child of 2 teachers, I disagree completely with what you just stated.

Merit based pay is the only solution to begin removing poor performing teachers.

To somehow assume that merit based systems are worse then the current old boys network, your out of your mind. Taken one by one:

School admins wrongly judge teacher based on % of students with passing grades: Dude, where have you been? Teachers have been passing trash up through 12th grade since the beginning. It is how teachers who don't want to face the issue deal with it. (or don't as the case may be)

Incompetent teachers ALWAYS falsify student's grades to make themselves appear competent: This is nothing new. It already takes place in public schools. the difference now is that with merit based pay, a teacher who gets caught will have this go against them, as opposed to playing it off as "giving brownie points" to underprivileged punks.

I hate to tell you this, but, out in the real world, where people are judged on merit, the system works. It is only small minded union-blue workers who have been lied to so often they don't know any better that think merit based scales of income are a bad idea.

Its true, teachers cannot be completely judged based on the "number of widgets they produce" kind of grading. A system of merit based on a number of factors (other than their race and religious beliefs) is what will prevail.

But to stick ones head in the sand and say that nothing else is possible or should be investigated is silly.

The old saying, "those that can, do. Those that can't, teach" was coined by a teacher from a public school system.

-FT

[DoctorDoom]

Welcome to Free Conservatives! Since lynching is unfortunately out of the question, it looks like you are in the lion's den.

First, you must understand that liberals are completely devoid of creative thought, and cannot debate intelligently. What you'll hear re any question that you ask about his views is the standard prepared response from the Official Liberal's Polyunsaturated, 100% Thought-Free, Talking Points Manual.

He thinks he's up to speed on Iraq. The fact is that he's just another utterly clueless leftie. The facts belie his spin.

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• The first Gulf War was because Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Chronology of the Kuwait Crisis (http://www.kuwait-info.org/Gulf_War/chronology_of_kuwait_crisis.htm)

Note on this page that the UN, which your idiot teacher no doubt worships, passed UNSC resolutions 660, 662, 664, 665, 666, 669, 670, 674, 677, 678, 686, 687 and 688, (http://www.kuwait-info.org/Gulf_War/un_security_council.html) which either were ineffectual or were after the fact. It was brute military force that drove Saddam's murderers out of Kuwait.

Also note this item:

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February 16 - Iraq's UN ambassador threatens to use weapons of mass destruction.

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Gosh gee whiz, I thought teech said they didn't have any WMD.

• During the Gulf War, Iraq launched Scud missiles into Israel, which had in no way provoked Iraq.

• The Iraq invasion of Kuwait was vicious.

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Ten years ago today, Saddam Hussein violated international law and betrayed pledges made to Arab leaders by launching a brutal invasion of Kuwait. The world bore witness as Iraqi tanks, troops, and gunships carried out unprovoked aggression against a neighboring Arab nation.

During the invasion and subsequent occupation, the Iraqi regime perpetrated systematic atrocities against the Kuwaiti people. Torture, mutilation, rape and murder were used as deliberate weapons of intimidation and terror. The Iraqi forces looted Kuwaiti museums, businesses, and homes. They pillaged its industries, ravaged its environment, and took thousands of its residents hostage.

The world responded to Saddam Hussein's invasion with nearly unprecedented unity and resolve.

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Text: Albright Op-Ed For Tenth Anniversary of Iraq's Invasion of Kuwait (http://www.usembassy.it/file2000_08/alia/a0080706.htm)

• Iraq spent $35 million rewarding "Palestinian" families for the deaths of members killed while attacking Israelis.

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Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.

Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques.

"Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat at the ceremony.

With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned the United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support for terrorism.

One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group.

Saddam's payments:

$10,000 per family
$25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
$35m paid since September 2000
PALF figures

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Palestinians get Saddam funds (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm)

• Iraq used chemical WMD against Iran in the Iran-Iraq War.

SUBJECT: CENTAF IRAQ'S CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS PROGRAM (http://www.fas.org/irp/gulf/af/970211/970207_aadbc_001.html)

CHEMICAL WARFARE IN THE IRAQ-IRAN WAR (http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/factsheet-1984.html)

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WASHINGTON, Jan. 23, 2003 -- Iraq's chemical weapons arsenal is not some hypothetical problem, but a danger and a weapon Saddam Hussein has used in the past.

Hussein had been in power only a year when he declared war on neighboring Iran in 1980. He flexed his muscles against the Persian Gulf region's largest military power, but one weakened by post- shah disarray. Iraq had a more modern military and banked on a fast, easy victory.

Iranian leaders, with a population of 55 million at their disposal, had no compunctions about launching low-tech "human wave" attacks against the Iraqis. Hussein's blitzkrieg devolved into a trench war of attrition, but one he couldn't afford with a population of only about 20 million.

The war was clearly going against Iraq by 1983, when Hussein ordered the use of chemical weapons against Iran. The first of 10 documented chemical attacks in the war was in August 1983 and caused hundreds of casualties, according to CIA sources. The largest documented attack was a February 1986 strike against al-Faw, where mustard gas and tabun may have affected up to 10,000 Iranians.

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Iraq and the Use of Chemical Weapons (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2003/n01232003_200301234.html)

• Iraq used chemical WMD against the Kurds in northern Iraq.

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Iraq's Kurdish region came to a standstill at 11 am on Saturday to observe a five-minute silence in memory of those killed by Iraq's chemical weapons attack in the Kurdish city of Halabja 14 years ago.

Iraqi aircraft shelled Halabja with chemical weapons on 16 March 1988, in an attack which left 5,000 dead and 7,000 injured or with long- term illnesses.

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Iraqi Kurds recall chemical attack (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1877161.stm)

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HALABJA March 16, 1988 (http://medyaarts.com/halabja-pics.htm)

• Iraq bought and then buried dozens of new fighter jets, which it purchased in violation of the UN sanctions.

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8/7/2003 - WASHINGTON - - American forces have found Russian fighter jets buried in the Iraqi desert, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in an Aug. 5 press briefing.

"We'd heard a great many things had been buried, but we had not known where they were, and we'd been operating in that immediate vicinity for weeks and weeks and weeks … 12, 13 weeks, and didn't know they were (there)," Rumsfeld said.

The secretary said he wasn't sure how many such aircraft had been found, but noted, "It wasn't one or two."

He said it's a "classic example" of the challenges the Iraqi Survey Group is facing in finding weapons of mass destruction in the country.

"Something as big as an airplane that's within … a stone's throw of where you're functioning, and you don't know it's there because you don't run around digging into everything on a discovery process," Rumsfeld explained. "So until you find somebody who tells you where to look, or until nature clears some sand away and exposes something over time, we're simply not going to know.

"But, as we all know," he added, "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

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American forces unearth hidden aircraft in Iraq (http://www.af.mil/stories/story_ops.asp?storyID=123005373)

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WASHINGTON -- Some of Iraqi's missing air force has turned up down below.

Search teams, some hunting for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, found dozens of fighter jets from Iraq's air force buried beneath the sands, U.S. officials say.

At least one Cold War- era MiG-25 interceptor was found when searchers saw the tops of its twin tail fins poking up from the sands, said one Pentagon official familiar with the hunt. He said search teams have found several MiG-25s and Su-25 ground attack jets buried at al-Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad.

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Dozens of Iraqi fighter jets found buried in sand (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0803/01iraqjets.html)<br clear="all" />
Here's a high resolution photo of one of them being unearthed: MiG-25 Foxbat (http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/0308063-F-9999C-909.jpg)

All the lefties who whine and wail about not finding WMD caches in Iraq should STFU when dozens of fighter jets were buried at an air field and no one knew they were there.

• Iraq killed thousands of its citizens and buried them in mass graves.

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Our greatest tragedy may be that we tend to forget our tragedies

Jews were victims of Nazi oppression and “ethnic cleansing”, the result of which was the extermination of over five million Jews. By perpetrating such a heinous crime Hitler engraved his name in history as one of the most notorious criminals who immersed himself in the blood of innocent people... We are not going to dispute that. In fact, we, more than anybody can fully grasp the agony of the holocaust. We have had a first hand experience with the very same horrors. Freshly dug mass graves bare witness to the plight of the Shi’ites. They have been subjected to a systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder. Iraq has once again revived those shocking memories.

When Iraqi refugees return to their homeland, they no longer have hope of finding their loved ones. Any such hope has disappeared except for a very few hopefuls who dread the bitter reality of loss. The only hope that still exists in the hearts of expatriates is finding the burial site of their relatives… Perhaps also some identifiable remains.

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Horrors of Iraq's mass graves (http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/politics/0000374.php)

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Iraqi Mass Graves Photo Album (http://66.221.74.102/english/article_mass_graves_album.htm)

• The Iraqi regime was infamous for its brutal, sadistic treatment of its people.

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Human rights: abuses under Saddam Hussein

-- 4000 prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib Prison in 1984.

-- 3000 prisoners were executed at the Mahjar Prison between 1993 and 1998.

-- About 2500 prisoners were executed between 1997 and 1999 in a "prison cleansing" campaign.

-- 122 male prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/ March 2000. A further 23 political prisoners were executed there in October 2001.

-- In October 2000 dozens of women accused of prostitution were beheaded without any judicial process. Some were accused for political reasons.

-- Women prisoners at Mahjar are routinely raped by their guards.

-- Methods of torture used in Iraqi jails include using electric drills to mutilate hands, pulling out fingernails, knife cuts, sexual attacks and 'official rape'.

-- Prisoners at the Qurtiyya Prison in Baghdad and elsewhere are kept in metal boxes the size of tea chests. If they do not confess they are left to die.

26. Saddam has issued a series of decrees establishing severe penalties for criminal offences. These include amputation, branding, cutting off ears, and other forms of mutilation. Anyone found guilty of slandering the President has their tongue removed.

Human Rights - mistreatment in Abu Ghraib Prison

Abdallah, a member of the Ba'ath Party whose loyalty became suspect was imprisoned for four years at Abu Ghraib in the 1980s. On the second day of his imprisonment, the men were forced to walk between two rows of five guards each to receive their containers of food. While walking to get the food, they were beaten by the guards with plastic telephone cables. They had to return to their cells the same way, so that a walk to get breakfast resulted in twenty lashes. According to Abdallah, "It wasn't that bad going to get the food, but coming back the food was spilled when we were beaten." The same procedure was used when the men went to the bathroom. On the third day, the torture continued. "We were removed from our cells and beaten with plastic pipes. This surprised us, because we were asked no question. Possibly it was being done to break our morale", Abdallah speculated. The torture escalated to sixteen sessions daily. The treatment was organised and systematic. Abdallah was held alone in a 3x2-meter room that opened onto a corridor. "We were allowed to go to the toilet three times a day, then they reduced the toilet to once a day for only one minute. I went for four years without a shower or a wash", Abdallah said. He also learned to cope with the deprivation and the hunger that accompanied his detention: "I taught myself to drink a minimum amount of water because there was no placed to urinate. They used wooden sticks to beat us and sometimes the sticks would break. I found a piece of a stick, covered with blood, and managed to bring it back to my room. I ate it for three days. A person who is hungry can eat anything. Pieces of our bodies started falling off from the beatings and our skin was so dry that it began to fall off. I ate pieces of my own body. "No one, not Pushkin, not Mahfouz, can describe what happened to us. It is impossible to describe what living this day to day was like. I was totally naked the entire time. Half of the original groups [of about thirty men] died. It was a slow type of continuous physical and psychological torture. Sometimes, it seemed that orders came to kill one of us, and he would be beaten to death". (Source: Human Rights Watch)

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Text: British Dossier Says Iraq Has "Military Plans" for Use of WMD (http://usembassy.state.gov/japan/wwwhse1727.html)

This text is near the bottom of the long page.

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Iraq is a terrifying place to live. People are in constant fear of being denounced as opponents of the regime.

They are encouraged to report on the activities of family and neighbours. The security services can strike at any time. Arbitrary arrests and killings are commonplace.

Between three and four million Iraqis, about 15% of the population, have fled their homeland rather than live under Saddam Hussein's regime.

These grave violations of human rights are not the work of a number of overzealous individuals but the deliberate policy of the regime.

Fear is Saddam's chosen method for staying in power. This report, based on the testimony of Iraqi exiles, evidence gathered by UN rapporteurs and human rights organisations, and intelligence material, describes the human cost of Saddam Hussein's control of Iraq.

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Although Iraqi law forbids the practice of torture, the British Government is not aware of a single case of an Iraqi official suspected of carrying out torture being brought to justice.

Treatment of women and children:

Under Saddam Huseein's regime women lack even the basic right to life. A 1990 decree allows male relatives to kill a female relative in the name of honour without punishment.

Women have been tortured, ill-treated and in some cases summarily executed too, according to Amnesty International.

The dossier says that BBC correspondent John Sweeney said he had met six witnesses with direct experience of child torture, including the crushing of a two-year-old girl's feet.

Prison conditions:

Conditions for political prisoners in Iraq are inhumane and degrading.

At the "Mahjar" prison "prisoners are beaten twice a day and the women regularly raped by their guards.

Arbitrary and summary killings:

Executions are carried out without due process of law. Relatives are often prevented from burying the victims in accordance with Islamic practice and have even been charged for the bullets used.

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Iraq dossier: Key claims at-a-glance (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2533897.stm)

The complete dossier is here: The complete dossier (http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/uk_human_rights_dossier_on_iraq/pdf/iraq_human_rights.pdf) (PDF file)

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These and many other available resources demonstrate that even if no WMD are ever found, eliminating the monstrous regime of Sodamn Insane was completely justified. The nonsense about WMD is nothing more than a RAT attempt to salvage next year's elections.

Don't counter your teacher in a confrontational manner, but don't be cowed by his lies. Be armed with the truth, and know when and how to use it. Enlightenment is always better than butt-kicking.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Actually, my advice would be to agree with the teacher ON EVERYTHING. Be his number one cheerleader. Tell him, "Gosh, I never thought of that!" and "You're smart!" as often as you can. Be subtle with it though...at first. Lead him to believe that you're his number one fan. Then, mid-semester, shift gears a bit. After Christmas break, come to school wearing designer laundry on your head, like Arafat. Inform people you're thinking of changing your name to Muhammed. Tell them its because your history teacher inspired you to have an open mind. Shout slogans at recess. March to your classes, make sure your knees whap your chest. Pin some tin medals on your chest. Learn some sparse Arabic like intifada and say it often, things like END BUSH'S INTIFADA! Shout people down in the hallway. When confronted, seig heil.

And finally, when taken to the principal's office, break down in tears. Tell them you were only trying to impress your teacher.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

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FatherTime said:
As the child of 2 teachers, I disagree completely with what you just stated.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon130.gif <font color="blue">Your parents must have made it a point not to talk shop in front of you, because you don't know what the Hell you're talking about.</font>

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Merit based pay is the only solution to begin removing poor performing teachers.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif <font color="blue">How about just removing them? Duh. Oh, I know there are laws protecting them, but removing those laws will be no more of an obstacle than passing merit pay laws.</font>

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To somehow assume that merit based systems are worse then the current old boys network, your out of your mind.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">Oh, no! I never said it was worse than the current ol' boys network. It would actually be an extension of it.</font>

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School admins wrongly judge teacher based on % of students with passing grades: Dude, where have you been? Teachers have been passing trash up through 12th grade since the beginning.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/um.gif <font color="blue">That sounds suspiciously like the rationale of somebody wants to justify it.</font>

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It is how teachers who don't want to face the issue deal with it. (or don't as the case may be)

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">Newsflash. I DO FACE THE ISSUE. I give my students what they earn. I don't falsify grades. So far, I have been kicked out of one "school", &amp; in my current district, I have been banned from teaching summer "school". In fact, the summer "school" program is a good example of merit pay. Teachers who need extra money can earn it by teaching summer "school". Who invariably gets hired? Certainly not the teachers with the best reputations. I can recall losing a geometry class to some wench with no experiënce teaching geometry. I learned later that she had to walk her class across the hall, so another teacher could teach the parts she didn't understand, &amp; she gave the final exam early, so the kids could watch TV, since she didn't want to have to teach anymore. You don't call that incompetent? Was she booted from the program? Certainly not. That's exactly what will happen when you allow corrupt administrators to give teachers extra pay based on "merit". Teachers like that wench who swiped my geometry class will get the extra pay. Teachers who "face the issue" will be punished by having the extra pay withheld. As long as grade falsification is a way of life in public "schools", as you've already admitted that it is, with corrupt administrators controlling the purse strings, then only an imbecile would advocate merit pay.</font>

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Incompetent teachers ALWAYS falsify student's grades to make themselves appear competent: This is nothing new. It already takes place in public schools. the difference now is that with merit based pay, a teacher who gets caught will have this go against them, as opposed to playing it off as "giving brownie points" to underprivileged punks.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">You think they will get caught? Most administrators I know have a hunch that the teachers with the highest passing percentages are a pack of fakers, but they never investigate to find out. They'd rather turn &amp; look the other way, so that the "school"'s statistics look good. How would merit pay change that?</font>

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I hate to tell you this, but, out in the real world, where people are judged on merit, the system works.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif <font color="blue">I hate to tell you this, but public "schools" are a bureaucracy, &amp; aren't run like the real world. If they were, then the summer "school" administrators would hire the best teachers, instead of feeling sorry for incompetent teachers who whine that they need the money. That's exactly how that woman got my geometry class, &amp; in the real world, you don't mention your personal needs at a job interview; that's a sure fire way to lose the job.</font>

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It is only small minded union-blue workers who have been lied to so often they don't know any better that think merit based scales of income are a bad idea.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">First of all, I resent the name-calling. I agree with my union, but for different reasons. You'd never hear them admitting that some teachers are incompetent. They're right, but for the wrong reasons.</font>

[ QUOTE ]
Its true, teachers cannot be completely judged based on the "number of widgets they produce" kind of grading. A system of merit based on a number of factors (other than their race and religious beliefs) is what will prevail.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">In what universe? Remember, these are bureaucrats you're talking about, &amp; they don't think like real world entrepreneurs, who try to hire people who will make the best product.</font>

[ QUOTE ]
But to stick ones head in the sand and say that nothing else is possible or should be investigated is silly.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">It's equally silly to dismiss what I'm saying out of hand, the way you're doing.</font>

[ QUOTE ]
The old saying, "those that can, do. Those that can't, teach" was coined by a teacher from a public school system.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">Unless you can cite the source for that quote, I'm assuming you have a low opinion of public "school" teachers. Rather odd, for somebody whose parents provided for his upbringing with exactly that kind of work.</font>

[SouthernReBelle]

Doctor Doom, I love the way you think. I want to be you when I grow up.

Wyatt, I peed my pants laughing so hard.

Heather

[DaiKaijuGojira]

Welcome BeauF to FC.

The best way to beat a liberal is FACTS. Stay on course as the insults fly from their mouths. Libera;s can't tell the truth. They lie. When you corner them, they resort to personal attacks and intimidation.

Just keep presenting facts.

Good luck in school.

Remember, hands up, chin up. http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/patriot.gif

[DoctorDoom]

That's an interesting juxtaposition considering that one of the best sellers amongst Arabs, and especially "Palestinians", is Mein Kampf.

The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection (http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabnazi.html)

"MEIN KAMPF" AND THE "PALESTINIAN NATIONAL COVENANT" (http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/meincov.html)

Hitler's Mein Kampf In East Jerusalem And PA Territories (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&amp;Area=sd&amp;ID=SP4899)

Their Kampf - Hitler’s book in Arab hands (http://www.nationalreview.com/29july02/pryce-jones072902.asp)

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/images/Holocaust/hitlerb.jpg[ QUOTE ]
An Arabic translation of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is being distributed by Al-Shurouq, a Ramallah based book distributor, to East Jerusalem and territories controlled by the Palestinian Authority (PA). According to Agence France Presse (Sept. 8), the book, previously banned by Israel, has been allowed by the PA and is 6th on the Palestinian best-seller list. Bisan publishers in Lebanon first published this edition in 1963 and again in 1995. The book costs about $10. The cover shows a picture of Hitler, a swastika, and the title in both German and Arabic. The translator, Luis Al-Haj, wrote the following introduction:

"Hitler the soldier left behind not only a legend stained by tragedy itself; the tragedy of a state whose dreams were shattered, a regime whose pillars were torn down, and a political party that was crushed. Hitler was a man of ideology who bequeathed an ideological heritage whose decay is inconceivable. This ideological heritage includes politics, society, science, culture, and war as science and culture."

"The National Socialism that Hitler preached for and whose characteristics were presented in his book My Struggle, and whose principles he explained in his speeches before he took power, as well as during the 13 years he spent at the head of the German nation - this National Socialism did not die with the death of its herald. Rather, its seeds multiplied under each star."

"We cannot really understand the efforts of this man without examining the principles enclosed in his book My Struggle that the Nazis turned into the "Gospel of National Socialism."

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Mein Kampf in East Jerusalem and the Palestinian Authority (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/mein.html)

[FatherTime]

Longhorn-

[My parents taught for over 65years combined. Shop talk was common at the dinner table. I almost went into it if for not the fact that my dad talked me out of it]

You say that the system is a bureacracy and that they don't work like "the real world".

Well no sh*t "Sherlock". That is the whole point to merit based pay.

Your own example of merit is misleading. The wench who stole your class did nothing to deserve it by merit. I fail to see how it was even applicable. If anything, it only reinforces my argument!!! (thanks, by the way)

Merit based systems have worked in other places. John Stanford proved it was possible when teachers, parents, and principals actually care.

I suggest that BeauF avoid your responses if he is to have any credibility in front of the teacher.

-FT

[DaiKaijuGojira]

DD, did you know that is was the nazis that helped put the hussein's to power?

The turks were aiding the nazis during WW2 because their enemy was the same-----jews.

In Egypt, the movie ID4(Independence Day) Starring Wil Smith, Jeff Goldblum.

They edited out the scenes with Jewish actors.

Schindler's list is considered a "comedy." It is placed in the comedy section in video stores there.

[Sublimaze]

the only advice that's neccessary is to stick to what facts you have and understand. throwing out someone elses arguement never helps. if you're met with a snippy remark, or a crude insult you've won. this advice isn't modeled towards argueing with liberals but just anyone in general. most folk think intuitively when they make broad statements like that and usually don't know what they're referring to but only assume that what they're referring to exists.

and to whoever said "it's not about oil, we didn't take it 1991" (sorry i just don't recall who said that and don't feel like reloading the last page). we didn't take the oil then because we'd have to do something like what we're doing now to accomplish that. we beat saddam back from kuwait, there wasn't an upportunity to pillage. however now, it would be alot more possible and may be happening, i've yet to look closely at oil revenue is paying for the rebuilding process but i can imagine a few simple and effective ways it could be funneled into the right pockets. still, it's an overstatement to say it's just about oil; there are other geopolitical factors that can be taken into account and hold just as much weight.

[Etaoin]

Beau, Welcome to the board.

Take an old man's advice. Under no circumstance should you "challenge" this bigoted ideologue!!!

If you do and show him up, I will guarantee you that he will knock down your grade, he will spread the word to the other faculty that you are disturbing the class, that you are a trouble maker and do anything to punish you, especially if you are successful in trapping him into an open display of his predjudice.

You may occasionally get away with using guile and the appearance of naivete by asking loaded questions.

The way this sort of person is best handled is to quote, document, and get several other students who will back you up. Then, take this stuff, like the monkey picture of Bush, to your parents and and have it brought up at the school board meetings. While the national PTA is quite liberal, local parents who are active in the school's PTA or PTO can have a huge impact. The more parents who support you, the better. See if someone from the local media would also attend the meeting. I guarantee that will muzzle him .

Many years ago, I fought like minded creeps both as a student and as a parent. As a student, it was an exercise in futility, as a parent, I got rid of three teachers and a superintendent. It is a long hard battle, but in the long run, it is worth the effort.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

[ QUOTE ]
FatherTime said:
You say that the system is a bureacracy and that they don't work like "the real world".

Well no sh*t "Sherlock". That is the whole point to merit based pay.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif <font color="blue">You just contradicted yourself. "Merit" based pay will not work in a bureaucracy for precisely the reasons I've already stated. The people in charge of distributing the "merit" pay will have no incentive to give it to the teachers producing the best educated students. Remember, the government "schools" exist in spite of their inferior performance.</font>

[ QUOTE ]
Your own example of merit is misleading. The wench who stole your class did nothing to deserve it by merit. I fail to see how it was even applicable.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif <font color="blue">You simply don't have a clue, do you? You're absolutely right when you say that the wench did nothing to deserve that class by merit. Why, then, do you think she got it? (I'll type this slowly, so you'll understand.) BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION WASN'T BASING THE SYSTEM ON MERIT. IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, THEY'LL DO THE SAME THING WITH SO-CALLED "MERIT" PAY. You cannot give me any guarantee that if "merit" pay is implemented, it will actually go to the teachers who deserve it. The example I gave indicates otherwise.</font>

[ QUOTE ]
http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/goofyeyes.gif If anything, it only reinforces my argument!!! (thanks, by the way)

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif <font color="blue">You totally destroyed your credibility with that clueless statement.</font>

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Merit based systems have worked in other places. John Stanford proved it was possible when teachers, parents, and principals actually care.

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif <font color="blue">Yeah, when they actually care. Nowadays, many only care about creäting an appearance of success.</font>

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I suggest that BeauF avoid your responses if he is to have any credibility in front of the teacher.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">Oh, yeah, if he wants to argue in favor of "merit" pay, but who says he does? That one is your ideä. I suggest that BeauF avoid anything you say on any issue, since you're prone to just shoot your mouth off.</font>

[DesertFox]

FatherTime, I like Longhorn teach in a public school, and he's telling it like it is. I've been teaching for ten years (aftering retiring from the Army) and have never seen such corruption.

One example: In one school in my district is a black female administrator who was incompetent her one year as a teacher so she became a counselor. Did lousy at that so after two more years she became an administrator. Though she was obviously getting the message that she wasn't doing too well as a teacher or a counselor, no one ever dared rate her as she deserved because she's always the first to cry discrimination! Somebody had to recommend her for administration, and obviously somebody was too yellow to tell the simple truth about this fraud.

Thank the unions, who made it impossible to fire incompetents and frauds and who make it impossible for merit pay ever to work.

I don't think my district's as far gone as the one Longhorn works in, but give us time; we'll get there.

[Etaoin]

[ QUOTE ]
DesertFox said:

Thank the unions, who made it impossible to fire incompetents and frauds

It isn't impossible, but it takes a minimum of a year to document, retrain, monitor, and prove that said incompetent is in fact, incompetent and cannot be brought up to an acceptable level. Of course, this presupposes that you have an administrator who isn't also an incompetent and who is willing to run the course. Concerned and determined parents can force the issue.

[PeteS_in_CA]

[ QUOTE ]
... how we would have no business in Iraq if it weren't for the oil in the region ...

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a put down that was used in 1991 during the Gulf War, and has been recycled for use during the Iraqi War. I guess recycling, in this case, makes thought unecessary. It was false then and it's false now. And the response is easy: "If we went to war in Kuwait and Iraq for their oil, why is it still there, and why are we paying such high prices for gasoline (~$1.80/gallon here in Silicon Valley)?"

Hyu gives good political advice, just invert and apply his advice.

[FatherTime]

[ QUOTE ]
You're absolutely right when you say that the wench did nothing to deserve that class by merit. Why, then, do you think she got it? (I'll type this slowly, so you'll understand.) BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION WASN'T BASING THE SYSTEM ON MERIT. IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, THEY'LL DO THE SAME THING WITH SO-CALLED "MERIT" PAY. You cannot give me any guarantee that if "merit" pay is implemented, it will actually go to the teachers who deserve it. The example I gave indicates otherwise.

[/ QUOTE ]

Let me see if I understand your "logic".

Because there is no system of meritocracy, but is instead based on preferential treatement and term of service. This is not a merit based system at all. So by your reasoning, since it has no semblence of a merit based system, using merit in determining teacher pay and advancement would never work. How the f*ck do you call yourself a teacher with this screwed up reasoning?

Are you so blind to the obvious fact that YOU are part of the problem, you can see straight?!?!?! If you are waiting for a perfect system, you will be waiting a VERY long time. No system is perfect, but, hardly anyone will defend the current state of public schools as acceptable. Just take a look at private schools. Tenure is frowned upon for this very reason. If a teacher starts slacking and parents complain, that teacher gets repremanded. (I know, because I have complained about teachers in private K-6 schools and got results...funny how they later on went into public schools)

Get rid of the unions, which oppose merit based advancement, and you can start to move forward. Nothing you have posted so far reinforces the need for teachers unions. (the one and only thing my parents ever said nice about the NEA was its insurance plan)

I guess you are so beaten down and whipped by the liberal education system you would rather stick your head in the sand than fix it. Sorry, but I have kids and I actually care what happens in the schools.

Your obviously burnt out. Go find some other occupation.

-FT

[BeauF]

Second day of class report!
Again, he asked the question several times: "Why are we in Iraq?" "What are we doing in Iraq?" "That's right, there is no answer"
I, using a STRONG amount of my self will kept quiet the entire class. Also, I will be following several members advice and will quietly and indirectly bring up questions when the time comes. Until then, I will keep everyone updated, as I'm sure y'all as well as I find his comments quite humorous.

[Large_Al]

Please do keep us updated. This should be interesting.
You have the element of surprise on your hands. He is feeling you out... trying to see who can he bate into a argument or discussion. Remember you may not know his motives. Good luck and we'll be here for you.

[Venus]

I dunno about you and the others, Al, but I smell troll spoor on this thread.

Lotsuvit.

[Nutrider99]

So then, if your teacher does not agree that preventing a nation from obtaining nuclear weapons justifies war, how can he then say it is wise to attack a nation that HAS nuclear weapons in an effort to remove them? Your teacher is like all brain-dead liberals, pretending to be concerned with the greater threat, while only worrying about the ability of other nations to defend themselves by inflicting massive American casualties. Your teacher hates American military superiority, and was probably greatly upset we we didn't loose 5,000 troops in Iraq.

As your teacher if he supported the traitor, bill clintoon. When he says "yes," simply say, "Thank you. That tells me all I will ever need to know about your judgement."

[FatherTime]

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Venus said:
I dunno about you and the others, Al, but I smell troll spoor on this thread.

Lotsuvit.

[/ QUOTE ]

could be...so far, the kid has not dropped any turds. (such as we have seen from Hyu and pol pot)

-FT

[Warlady]

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Hyu said:
[ QUOTE ]
Beau,

Write a letter to the school district superintendent complaining about the teacher. History is supposed to be rooted in facts, not opinions. Furthermore, complain about the depiction of President Bush in the picture on the wall in your classroom.


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Beau,

Don't take that advice.

Personally, there are few easier ways to look like a total loser in high school than taking class *too* seriously. Your best bet is to save your facts for the issues where you know he's wrong, and casually show him to be wrong in a way that looks like you're too cool to care.

If you look passionate, the other kids will think you're a loser.

Just a thought.

Then again, from the looks of it, your teacher may be right about a lot of things.

[/ QUOTE ]

Beau, take my advice. Disregard anything Byu says.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

[ QUOTE ]
FatherTime said:
How the f*ck do you call yourself a teacher with this screwed up reasoning

[/ QUOTE ]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">That rant of yours made utterly no sense, &amp; you still haven't responded to this:

<img src=http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon130.gif length=60 width=60></img> <font size=6>You cannot give me any guarantee that if "merit" pay is implemented, it will actually go to the teachers who deserve it.</font>

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif This is crucial. If you can't respond to this, your whole case falls flat.</font>

[Warlady]

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Bluemoon_Rising said:
Be careful, BeauF. Your teacher's in the driver seat, not you. I would advise you to avoid challenging him directly in the classroom; reserve that for written assignments, and even then keep it impersonal. If you do challenge him, keep it casual.

Statements that imply doubt or skepticism are better than direct questions. You might say, for example, "In view of how important the stability of the world's principal oil-producing regions is to the whole world, it seems wise that America be especially concerned about the political mayhem caused by brutal dictators like Sadam." Then follow up with a soft question like, "Wouldn't you agree?"

Lead him down the path with rhetorical questions that are expressed as statements, followed by soft questions.


[/ QUOTE ]

After reading all the posts I think this one is the best advice.

[Warlady]

[ QUOTE ]
Venus said:
I dunno about you and the others, Al, but I smell troll spoor on this thread.

Lotsuvit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Huh? Getting paranoid Venus?

[sistersue]

[ QUOTE ]
Dash_Riprock said:
Beau,

Write a letter to the school district superintendent complaining about the teacher. History is supposed to be rooted in facts, not opinions. Furthermore, complain about the depiction of President Bush in the picture on the wall in your classroom.

As for his assinine comments, ask him why we didn't take Iraq's oil in 1991 during the Gulf War if our goal is to seize their oil supplies. Then tell him to allow the students to come up with their own opinions instead of trying to indoctrinate them into his own political philosophy.

[/ QUOTE ]

No letter and no in-class outrage....that's what I'd do if things were opposite - me in the classroom of a pro-war conservative who had the Bush doll on his desk and a "Let's Roll" poster on the wall.

BeauF, If the guy does nothing BUT talk about the war then maybe complain that he's not teaching. Otherwise.....challange him in class if you want but keep it good-natured. You're there for an education, not to start petty wars.

Dash, you assumed that this liberal teacher feels that "our goal is to sieze their oil supplies". You're likely wrong, so that argument didn't help BeauF much.

Oil is a contributing factor in why it happened, no question. The right morphs the point by challanging what they call the leftist claims of Bush "stealing" the oil, which of course is not happening.
I doubt this teacher would hold such a simplistic black and white view.
Sure there are a SMALL minority of libs - mostly young - who might spout a partially formed view like that......we have young and dumb idealists of all political ilks.

Is Bush concerned about oil and the market and supply and security of supply? Of course. He's also concerned about the safety of America, which is the biggest reason he went to Iraq. That action of course in no way should lessen his concern. In fact it should increase everyones concern. But he was a well-meaning fool, so we should forgive him.

What he's sown we will all reap though, so I can't forgive him yet.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

[ QUOTE ]
FatherTime said:
Also move the debate towards union dues and ask the dork if he knows how much of his money is used for illegal political contributions.
(The NEA has been sued repeated [and lost repeatedly or settled] in federal and state courts)

My favorite debate is around which oil producing nation has the least amount of crime/lowest crime rates reported. (The USA)

Ask him what he thinks of the 3 recently executed Cuban people who were not even given an appeals, and bring up the issue of 300 inmates per year who die in prisons in Cuba. (more than all of the USA, which has 80x the prison population)

And finally, ask him if he supports merit based pay for teachers who are qualified to teach instead of guranteeing poorly trained teachers are never fired for incompetence.

-FT

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http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">My apologies to the rest of you that this thread has been partially hijacked, &amp; my congratulations to those of you who have kept the original discussion going. Please bear in mind, I didn't initiate the change in topic. BeauF had asked about how to respond to his libwacko teacher in reference to Iraq &amp; North Koreä, &amp; a certain individual thinks that BeauF should suddenly challenge the teacher on a wide array of issues that the teacher hasn't even brought up. (And he thinks BeauF should avoid my advice, which so far has been only to try to learn from this BB.) Silly me, I didn't realize that a brief mention of why "merit" pay for teachers won't work would escalate. What was I thinking?</font>

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Wyatt said:

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Actually, my advice would be to agree with the teacher ON EVERYTHING. Be his number one cheerleader. Tell him, "Gosh, I never thought of that!" and "You're smart!" as often as you can. Be subtle with it though...at first. Lead him to believe that you're his number one fan. Then, mid-semester, shift gears a bit. After Christmas break, come to school wearing designer laundry on your head, like Arafat. Inform people you're thinking of changing your name to Muhammed. Tell them its because your history teacher inspired you to have an open mind. Shout slogans at recess. March to your classes, make sure your knees whap your chest. Pin some tin medals on your chest. Learn some sparse Arabic like intifada and say it often, things like END BUSH'S INTIFADA! Shout people down in the hallway. When confronted, seig heil.

And finally, when taken to the principal's office, break down in tears. Tell them you were only trying to impress your teacher.

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[Warlady]

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sistersue said:
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Dash_Riprock said:
Beau,

Write a letter to the school district superintendent complaining about the teacher. History is supposed to be rooted in facts, not opinions. Furthermore, complain about the depiction of President Bush in the picture on the wall in your classroom.

As for his assinine comments, ask him why we didn't take Iraq's oil in 1991 during the Gulf War if our goal is to seize their oil supplies. Then tell him to allow the students to come up with their own opinions instead of trying to indoctrinate them into his own political philosophy.

[/ QUOTE ]

No letter and no in-class outrage....that's what I'd do if things were opposite - me in the classroom of a pro-war conservative who had the Bush doll on his desk and a "Let's Roll" poster on the wall.

BeauF, If the guy does nothing BUT talk about the war then maybe complain that he's not teaching. Otherwise.....challange him in class if you want but keep it good-natured. You're there for an education, not to start petty wars.

Dash, you assumed that this liberal teacher feels that "our goal is to sieze their oil supplies". You're likely wrong, so that argument didn't help BeauF much.

Oil is a contributing factor in why it happened, no question. The right morphs the point by challanging what they call the leftist claims of Bush "stealing" the oil, which of course is not happening.
I doubt this teacher would hold such a simplistic black and white view.
Sure there are a SMALL minority of libs - mostly young - who might spout a partially formed view like that......we have young and dumb idealists of all political ilks.

Is Bush concerned about oil and the market and supply and security of supply? Of course. He's also concerned about the safety of America, which is the biggest reason he went to Iraq. That action of course in no way should lessen his concern. In fact it should increase everyones concern. But he was a well-meaning fool, so we should forgive him.

What he's sown we will all reap though, so I can't forgive him yet.

[/ QUOTE ]

That applies to all Presidents Sue. It may be a bit premature to think he needs forgiveness.

[sistersue]

[ QUOTE ]
DesertFox said:

However, Hyu is correct in implying that you ought not challenge the teacher head-on in front of others. Better to collect your facts and write them up -- what he said, and your counter to it -- and hand it to him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh good idea. That's so much more cool.

[ QUOTE ]

There are any number of ways to grade a kid down if that's what you really wanna do. The dishonest ones do it, and this twerp sounds as dishonest as they come based just on what you've told us.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wha? You call a person dishonest because they're against the war? You've taken repuke-talk to a new level here! Congrats!

No teacher I ever had would ever lower a grade because a kid challanged them in class, lib or repuke. That's the goal of most teachers, to get kids challanging.

[sistersue]

[ QUOTE ]
Warlady said:
That applies to all Presidents Sue. It may be a bit premature to think he needs forgiveness.

[/ QUOTE ]

No it isn't Warlady. He needs plenty, from many.

Unfortunately I fear some will never give it.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

FatherTime said:

[ QUOTE ]
You say that the system is a bureacracy and that they don't work like "the real world".

Well no sh*t "Sherlock". That is the whole point to merit based pay.

. . . Merit based systems have worked in other places. John Stanford proved it was possible when teachers, parents, and principals actually care.

[/ QUOTE ]

The only thing that is going to fix the public education system and liberate competent teachers like Longhorn, DesertFox and others from the corruption of stooges is a merit system based on educational choice, i.e., a system in which the dynamics of supply and demand within the free market determine competency, what is valuable and what is not.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

The Wardlady said:

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Beau, take my advice. Disregard anything Hyu says.

[/ QUOTE ]

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[Warlady]

Sister Sue I would appreciate it if you wouldn't call my party Repuke as it denotes a level of childishness that is beneath you. As for your assertion that teachers don't grade you down for disagreeing with their politics then I assure you that you are most naive. It may not have happened to you since most teachers are liberals like yourself but I have an online friend in college who has definitely experienced this problem. Any teacher who defames the President of the United States in his classroom should be disciplined. Clinton would never have tolerated that. It's kind of like separation of Church and State in a way. Partisanship has no place in the classroom. Just look how it has intimidated this one student. It's a geography class. Not politics 101. And don't feed me the freedom of speech crap because it doesn't fly in the classroom. Intimidating students sucks. He's abusing his power.

[Naturalized-Texan]

[ QUOTE ]
Unfortunately I fear some will never give it

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm sure that President Bush doesn't give a rat's rear end that the hate America crowd, of which you are a member in good standing, will never forgive him for performing his constitutional duties as Commander-in-Chief. The vast majority of Americans will never forgive America haters like you. I certainly won't.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

<font size=6>Notice to FatherTime, &amp; anyone else wishing to discuss "merit" pay for teachers:</font>

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/serious.gif <font color="blue">This is BeauF's thread, &amp; I don't want to see any further hijacking of it. If you wish to continue the discussion of "merit" pay for teachers, GO HERE (http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=202792&amp;page=0&amp;view=collap sed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1).</font>

[Bluemoon_Rising]

Good idea Longhorn!

[Warlady]

NT it irks the leftwingers to no end that we now have a leader who takes terrorism seriously. So instead of getting behind him for the sake of this country's survival they will bash him for poltical gain. And they wonder why most Americans call them traitors. ?!?!?!

[Warlady]

Thanks Moo. This thread is not about merit pay for teachers.

[Bluemoon_Rising]

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NT it irks the leftwingers to no end that we now have a leader who takes terrorism seriously.

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Also, they actually believe that he's all about political gain, too. They can't imagine humans being motivated by anything else. Doing the right thing? Nah, can't be.

[DesertFox]

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Dims judge everyone by themselves. They know their motives are lowdown, sneaky and mendacious, and so assume everyone else has similar motives.

With that attitude, it's no wonder they're so apeshit over W's success -- as they see it, he's beating them at their game, meaning he cheats better than they do.

That's gotta hurt.

[Large_Al]

Venus I Love your distrusting mind. LOL
I have to say that did cross my mind once or twice. Don't freakin know why but it did. I'm going to take Beauf at his word because that's all I have to judge him on. As I said this could be interesting.

[CaliGirl]

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Beau,

Write a letter to the school district superintendent complaining about the teacher. History is supposed to be rooted in facts, not opinions. Furthermore, complain about the depiction of President Bush in the picture on the wall in your classroom.

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I am really surprised that any teacher can lecture their opinions about anything into the classroom. By any chance are you in CA? http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rotflmbo.gif

[Timberwolf]

Welcome to the board, Beau...consider us a safe haven for RATIONAL discussion...that is, as long as ya can ignore the trolls.

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BeauF said:
Second day of class report!
Again, he asked the question several times: "Why are we in Iraq?"

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To remove a tyrannical dictator who had used chemical and biological weapons against neighboring countries and his own people. We were there because of Senate Resolution 179 from the 105th Congress (February 28, 1998) that made regime change a legitimate reason to go. Said resolution was sponsored and co-sponsored by DEMOCRATS.

Resolution 179 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:S.RES.179:)

We were in Iraq because Saddam Hussein refused to comply with 18 UN Resolutions requiring him to disarm, to destroy ALL of his chemical and biological weapons, and to dismantle the programs for producing more. The burden of proof was, is and always shall be upon Saddam, not us. He hasn't provided documentation, so by default, he is still in possession of those WsMD HE claimed to have at the close of the first Gulf War in 1991.

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"What are we doing in Iraq?"

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Attempting to bring a little bit of stability to the region. We also put terrorists around the world on notice, "you mess with us, we WILL hunt you down like the animals that you are and KILL YOU." (feel free to omit the last 4 words of that sentence http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif )

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"That's right, there is no answer"

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Sorry, I must disagree...if fact, I think I have!! http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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I, using a STRONG amount of my self will kept quiet the entire class. Also, I will be following several members advice and will quietly and indirectly bring up questions when the time comes. Until then, I will keep everyone updated, as I'm sure y'all as well as I find his comments quite humorous.

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We've been dealing with the likes of him for a LOOOOOOONG time. You're showing FAR more restraint than I could have when I was your age. I congratulate you. You show a maturity beyond your years. Keep it up, young sir!!!

[Etaoin]

Sue, I am impressed and amazed. This is the first post by you that I have seen that wasn't a hit and run shot.

I had no idea that you were capable of making a rational and quality post,

Stick around ad post some more....Who can tell, there might be a meeting of the minds,.....somewhere.

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[THEBIRD]

Ok dude,

I know it's gonna suck but hold it all in till the last day. She can make or break your grade in this class and I know thats unfair but thats life....don't we all know it?

On the last day of her class, go up to her and say something like, "Now I know what Rush meant when he said 'teachers filling churrins heads full of mush nowadays.' At no point in your rambling incoherent lectures were you even close to ANYTHING that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having been in this class......I award you no points....and may God have mercy on your soul."

(sorry, kind've a billy madison moment there.)
Billy Madison Moment MP3 (http://www.thebirdbath.com/Movie%20Quotes%20-%20Billy%20Madison%20-%20Everyone%20is%20Now%20Dumber.MP3)
Anyway, say something like that and then walk out the door. I'm sure her jaw will drop and that look on her face will be worth the wait.

Just my two cents

[Bluemoon_Rising]

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Dims judge everyone by themselves. They know their motives are lowdown, sneaky and mendacious, and so assume everyone else has similar motives.

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Preeeecisely! http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Dania]

You might be better off keeping your mouth shut in class, documenting what he says and does (voice activated recorder for ''study'' purposes?) and dealing with the teacher AFTER you've passed. Otherwise, the liberal, obviously a typical one, could make your life a living hell AND fail you. Confrontation is great, as long as you're not shooting yourself in the foot by the confrontation.

Just my advice.

Lapcat

[Dania]

I don't know, FatherTime. Encouraging him to confront his lib teacher might do more harm than good. The teacher is probably used to being confronted and is probably anticipating it. He may even get off on the power he has over the student re: failing or passing. I sure wouldn't confront a boss of mine in that manner (if I wanted to keep working for him), and I feel more empowered than a high schooler. Just my take.

Howya doin?

Lapcat

[Dania]

I have noticed also that the libs continually accuse us of either being jealous, envious, embarassed, etc.....none of which are ever the emotions that ""I"" am feeling, but evidently it's what THEY would be feeling under the same circumstances. It's truly fascinating to watch liberals up close. A real study in psychiatry. (they're all nuts)

Lapcat

[Rink]

Y'know i got an idea, instead of bothering with the teacher, what this fine fella needs to do is form a Study-group and start putting the true facts down to his classmates AWAY from that liberally biasted teacher, the more he can really teach the truth of the matter the better it'll be for others in that same class.

Just my simple two cents worth on this.

[FatherTime]

Just a thought...

Its August and this kid is in school? Am I just old fashioned, or do kids not have the summer off?

I didn't read why he was in school at this point of the year.

-FT

[Rink]

Ever heard o summer school? and some schools start early.

[SouthernReBelle]

I was thinking of year around school..

Heather

[nosferatuscoffin]

Here in the Raleigh area, school started this week. It is more common down in the South for schools to start in mid-August and end in Mid-May.

Course, when I was in school in Fairfax County, VA (all of my years), we generally started the week of Labor Day and got out in Mid-June.

[CaliGirl]

The person who started this thread has only been here 2 other times. I wonder if we need the:

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[Dania]

A study group sounds great as long as there are no repercussions.
I don't know how thick-skinned he is, but when I was in high school, the last thing I wanted (or needed) was conflict. Times have changed though. I just hate to see the lib teacher coming down hard on the student that crosses him.

Just like Christians are being discriminated against, I'm afraid he might start something he doesn't want to finish.

Don't get me wrong. I am anything but timid now, and in person. But this is a teenager. Let's hope for the best.

Lapcat

[Warlady]

Cali, I don't see it and I think it's premature and unfair to start with the name calling with no evidence. BeauF has done nothing but ask for our help with a lib teacher. If I'm wrong then I'll be the first to admit it but I think we should stop being so paranoid about new members. They aren't all trolls you know.

[BeauF]

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Just a thought...

Its August and this kid is in school? Am I just old fashioned, or do kids not have the summer off?

I didn't read why he was in school at this point of the year.

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Yes, I do get the summer off, and this isn't summer school either. In Georgia, we start Aug. 11 and end May 21 this year.


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The person who started this thread has only been here 2 other times. I wonder if we need the:

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What? Just because I have a low post count makes me a troll? I am insulted to have you believe I am a liberal coming over here just for laughs. In fact, I am very conservative, and a teenager http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[nosferatuscoffin]

Keep us updated, BeauF on your Lefty 'teacher'. http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

People,

We have to learn a few manners here. Just because Beauf only had a couple of posts in a week does not make him a troll. He asked simple and direct questions and did not exhibit any of the troll-type of behavior that we have seen over the last few months from that troll invasion. I think some here are getting a little paranoid because of that and there is no reason to be. We mods and admins have things quite under control here, so there is no reason to get suspicious simply because of slow posting .Remember, the kid just started school a few days ago, so he is probably swamped and does not have a lot of time to post here.

Thank you,

Nos

[BeauF]

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Thank you!

[Timberwolf]

Well said, nos...BeauF, keep your chin up. We'll be here for ya should you need some "ammo".

[ponch21]

How about the perspective from a lefty social teacher who loves to stir the pot?

Confront the teacher head on. Do so in a respectful manner. I love to say stuff like this to get discussion going. Maybe that is all he is trying to do. If he gets pissed off, I will agree with the other posts who say lay low and do your work.

Believe it or not the question said lefty teacher is posing is a valid one. There are many sides to discuss here where some learning might actually occur. If he is teaching world culture/geography then perhaps he is trying to use this to springboard into a discussion of the political ties to the middle east as a result of natural resources.

It was a war for oil and it was not a war for oil. Saddam was used as a whoopin stick to show the mid east leaders what will happen if they cross the U.S. The war in Iraq is much, much deeper than the liberate Iraq yard signs that we saw over the past few months.