(Supreme) Court rejects death penalty for raping children

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Court rejects death penalty for raping children (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91H54QO2&show_article=1)

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court has struck down a Louisiana law that allows the execution of people convicted of a raping a child.

[Taylor1]

I think it makes sense they'd do that, even though it's a horrific crime.

[MSGT]

I think it makes sense they'd do that, even though it's a horrific crime.Makes no sense to me

[DeclinetoState]

In a 5-4 vote, the court says the law allowing the death penalty to be imposed in cases of child rape violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

From link in OP, but with emphasis added.

Which way do you want to bet that Kennedy voted? I would guess that the rest of the votes lined up pretty much as they always do: Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito in the minority; Kennedy, Ginsburg, Souter, and the other clowns in the majority.

[Patriot Heart]

And we still want to let Obama select the next Supremes? That is what happens if we don't hold our noses and vote for McCain.

[GreatDredScott]

This is ridiculous. Even if one thinks having the death penalty for child rape isn't the best idea for some reason or the other, it certainly isn't unconstitutional. Guess Justice Kennedy couldn't stand the thought of talking to his euro friends a few weeks from now about him upholding it. Disgusting. Kennedy needs to be tossed off the Court NOW.

[Taylor1]

Makes no sense to me

Didn't they do something else stupid like this at the supreme court a little while ago involving guns?

[GreatDredScott]

Oh, and to WolfCounsel, I think I stated my disagreement with you before on vigilantes, but my thoughts on them are changing by the day with decisions like this.

[MSGT]

Didn't they do something else stupid like this at the supreme court a little while ago involving guns?Sorry, you didn't clarify that it made sense that this is coming from this court

[S-T]

Even if one thinks having the death penalty for child rape isn't the best idea for some reason or the other, it certainly isn't unconstitutional.

Exactly. Having the federal; court system dictate policy to the states IS unconstitutional, however. They should have the 10th Amendment tattooed onto their foreheads.

[DoctorDoom]

I think I stated my disagreement with you before on vigilantes ...When the people who are supposed to enforce the law and protect the citizens are derelict in their duties, it poses a clear and present danger. The only rational response is for the peoiple to defend themselves by dealing with the vermin as the Orkin Man deals with cockroaches.

[Wolfcounsel]

Vigilantes, like I said, can be compared to the sheepdogs. They protect the sheep from the wolves. Vigilantes are NOT to be placed in the category of rule by mob.

[DeclinetoState]

Which way do you want to bet that Kennedy voted?
"The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in his majority opinion.
Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_rdp)<br>
I was right.

:(

[oldcoastie]

5 to 4 again. Gee. I wonder.....

[EveningStar]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080625/ts_nm/usa_execution_rape_dc

Kennedy, in the court's majority opinion, declared the Louisiana law to be unconstitutional. He said a national consensus exists against capital punishment for the crime of child rape.

Kennedy, a moderate conservative who often casts the decisive vote on the closely divided court, was joined by the court's liberals -- Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.

The court's conservatives -- Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, both appointed by President George W. Bush, and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas -- dissented.

[Maggie_T]

This just comes to prove - as if further proof was needed - that where criminals and their victims are concerned, leftists will ALWAYS side with criminals. Expected.

[Neil Peart]

Kennedy, it's not about a national consensus. It's about the damned CONSTITUTION!

[Maggie_T]

Kennedy, a moderate conservative

Hitler, a moderate eugenist ...

The rot some journalists write. :rolleyes:

[DeclinetoState]

The damned CONSTITUTION is a living, breathing document. It gets its breath from national consensus, don'tcha know?

Geez, Louise. Do you all have to be re-<del>educated</del> indoctrinated?

[Maggie_T]

What can be a worse and more preverted punishment than that inflicted on an innocent child by the revoltingly degenerate individual who sexually assaults that child?

And what about the mental (and physical) scars the child will carry the rest of his/her life?

I am truly sickened by this pathological "sympathy" liberals invariably show perverts and degenerates.

[Lazarus]

The Supreme Court is in direct violation of the Constitution by overuling the will of a sovereign state in a matter that is perfectly legal under the Constitution... Louisiana should go ahead and execute their state laws as they see fit and see what the SCOTUS does...

[GreatDredScott]

Louisiana should go ahead and execute their state laws as they see fit and see what the SCOTUS does...

I'm almost to that point myself. The problem is that once you open that box it remains open, so one must make sure that things are not reversible by other methods.

This is yet another crappy Kennedy opinion. His opinions are never very convincing. I'm surprised that one of the leftists didn't write a concurring opinion with better arguments that addressed the dissent a bit more. Of course, the leftists needed Kennedy's vote, so they didn't want to do anything to offend the bastard.

[Beowulf]

And we still want to let Obama select the next Supremes? That is what happens if we don't hold our noses and vote for McCain.
With all due respect, Patriot, :rolleyes: That's a one-dimensional view.

As far as the decision goes, I say so be it. Child molesters won't live long in prison anyway. Just sending them to prison IS a death sentence more often than not.

[GreatDredScott]

The problem is that the same people who support this kind of decision are the ones who are pushing that people be separated from the general population if there is a high risk of getting attacked. The world that leftists envision is very kind to the child rapist.

[DeclinetoState]

Leftists (some of them, at least) are then pro-child rape and/or pedophilia?

(Wait till they get hold of this at Fisted Idiots. Of course, it could be about some of them.)

[MaximumSam]

The Supreme Court is in direct violation of the Constitution by overuling the will of a sovereign state in a matter that is perfectly legal under the Constitution... Louisiana should go ahead and execute their state laws as they see fit and see what the SCOTUS does...

The 14th Amendment does apply to states, and it guarantees due process to people. Through the 14th Amendment, many of the protections in the Bill of Rights have been extended to protect people from state government. For example, the protection from cruel and unusual punishment in the Eighth Amendment was extended to states in 1962, where California was jailing people for the crime of being addicted to narcotics.

[GreatDredScott]

Oh look, it's Sammy.

[DeclinetoState]

Who said that the 14th Amendment extended Bill of Rights restrictions to the states? The Supreme Court. If you get down to it, much of what passes for constitutional law in the United States is built on a house of cards that began with Marbury v. Madison and continues to this day.

[MaximumSam]

Who said that the 14th Amendment extended Bill of Rights restrictions to the states? The Supreme Court. If you get down to it, much of what passes for constitutional law in the United States is built on a house of cards that began with Marbury v. Madison and continues to this day.


The Supreme Court isn't perfect, but the system is much better than allowing the legislature or the president to determine what the Constitution allows.

[Timberwolf]

Oh look, it's Sammy.
...and here's the 14^th amendment:

<center>Amendment XIV.
</center> Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.


Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Shammie...HOW does the Louisiana law abridge a scumbags right to due process?



Kennedy screwed the pooch on this one...but, that is to be expected from a sniveling bucket of pus like him.

[MSGT]

Shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court announced it struck down the death penalty for child rape in his state, Louisiana Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal signed a bill authorizing castration of sexual offenders.


WND (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68042)

[bigred1says]

And we still want to let Obama select the next Supremes? That is what happens if we don't hold our noses and vote for McCain.
John Roberts - GW Bush
John Paul Stevens - Ford
Antonin Scalia - Regan
Anthony Kennedy - Regan
David Souter - GHW Bush
Clarence Thomas - GHW Bush
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - BJ Clintoon
Stephen Breyer - BJ Clintoon
Samuel Alito - GW Bush
Out of the nine Justices, only two were appointed by the Rats. The majority of the majority are Republican appointees. How will voting for McCain guarantee a conservative Justice taking the bench? Chances are, once the election is over, Mr. McCain will let his freak flag fly once again and we will get a real snoot full of what makes him tick. Thanks, but no thanks.

[Beowulf]

Shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court announced it struck down the death penalty for child rape in his state, Louisiana Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal signed a bill authorizing castration of sexual offenders.


WND (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68042)

I like Jindal already! Just make it "castration without anesthesia."

[Beowulf]

The Supreme Court isn't perfect, but the system is much better than allowing the legislature or the president to determine what the Constitution allows.

I'd say they do a fair job of doing that as it is. The Constitution allows us to bear arms under the 2nd amendment. Democrats aparently don't feel that way. That's just one example.

[bigred1says]

I like Jindal already! Just make it "castration without anesthesia."
And use duct tape to take off one layer at a time.

[DeclinetoState]

<center>Amendment XIV. </center>
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
A state can deprive a person of life if the state follows the due process of law.

[Wolfcounsel]

"The Supreme Court isn't perfect, but the system is much better than allowing the legislature or the president to determine what the Constitution allows." --MaximumSam

You're right, Sam. I'd say it takes the mental powers of a rocket scientist to figure out what in the heck the law makers meant to say with certain laws on the books. Only the stinking baboons in the Supreme Court are capable of interpreting those little bits of quanta. Their brains magically grow a hundred-fold in genius.

FARKING LIBERALS NEED TO GET OUT OF AMERICA!:flame:

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[TeenageRepublican]

I think it makes sense they'd do that, even though it's a horrific crime.

Taylor, if my daughter (if I have one) or wife (again, if I have one) ever gets raped, the last thing I would have going through my mind is saving that man's life. In fact, the only thought going through my mind would be to make sure that bastard is dead. It's better that the government kills that rapist, because I would be a lot more "cruel and unusual" to the rapist.

[DeclinetoState]

I hope it never comes to that, but if it does, I hope I'd be with TR on that one. Murder the rapist, then throw myself on the mercy of a jury.

[Patriot Heart]

John Roberts - GW Bush
John Paul Stevens - Ford
Antonin Scalia - Regan
Anthony Kennedy - Regan
David Souter - GHW Bush
Clarence Thomas - GHW Bush
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - BJ Clintoon
Stephen Breyer - BJ Clintoon
Samuel Alito - GW Bush
Out of the nine Justices, only two were appointed by the Rats. The majority of the majority are Republican appointees. How will voting for McCain guarantee a conservative Justice taking the bench? Chances are, once the election is over, Mr. McCain will let his freak flag fly once again and we will get a real snoot full of what makes him tick. Thanks, but no thanks.


BigRed, I'll go for favorable odds over no chance any day of the week. You are guaranteed more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs under Bammy. Period.

[BuckeyeMike]

I think the child rapist should be made to apologize to the family....that's it...period

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alone
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in a room
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with the victim's entire family present
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how the family members "accept" the scum's apology is entirely up to them (no foul, no penalty)
If the scum survives the "apology" then he/she only has to serve life with no possibility of parole
If the scum does NOT survive the "apology"...then, I guess, he/'she has already served life without possibility of parole.

[Wyatt_Junker]

I hope it never comes to that, but if it does, I hope I'd be with TR on that one. Murder the rapist, then throw myself on the mercy of a jury.



Why do that when an incinerator can erase a corpse's existence? Throw yourself on the mercy of no one. You deserve no less in a situation like that.

[Maggie_T]

Agreed. My goodness, Dec, can you imagine what would happen to you if you "throw yourself at the mercy of" someone like Sam the Sham?

Think about it, man.

[DeclinetoState]

Sam's a lawyer (or so I've been led to believe). I hope he never sits on a jury.

[Wolfcounsel]

Don't forget some people need killing.:listen:

[DeclinetoState]

Why do that when an incinerator can erase a corpse's existence?Problem with that is, erasing the corpse could eventually get you hauled into court for obstruction of justice, even if you managed to skate on the "murder" charge.

[Wyatt_Junker]

Problem with that is, erasing the corpse could eventually get you hauled into court for obstruction of justice, even if you managed to skate on the "murder" charge.


But, you're not much alive anyway once your family has been decimated. Might as well cast youself to the wave either way and in the end you will have known that you were a hero no matter what, one of society's 'little helpers'. Again, all hypothetical what-ifs.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:moo: It was just reported on Fox that Governor Jindal is so upset with the Supreme Court that he has just signed a bill that would allow chemical castration of child-rapists. The good news is that if Jindal is really peeved at the Supreme Court, then I think we could count on President Jindal to appoint better justices than the ones we now have.

[DeclinetoState]

. . .chemical castration. . .I have a problem with one of those two words. Care to guess which?

[BuckeyeMike]

Would it be "chemical"?.....should be replaced with "rusty knife"!

[Neil Peart]

Would it be "chemical"?.....should be replaced with "rusty knife"!Without anesthesia!

[DeclinetoState]

Buckeye, you're a winner! Take a bow.

As for Neil's addition . . . well, without anesthesia, anesthetics, or even antibiotics would also work.

[M.C.]

I always say the punishment should fit the crime.

If you rape a child, I think you should be gang-raped to death by inmates of a prison who are serving life.

[BuckeyeMike]

The Supreme Court isn't perfect, but the system is much better than allowing the legislature or the president to determine what the Constitution allows.

Then where the hell does the Supreme Court get off making decisions that are, in effect, enacting laws....their ONLY purpose is to determine the Constitutionality of a law or decision of a lower court. All this extraneous bullshit that has nothing to do with constitutionality is just that...activist judge bullshit! Kelo comes to mind....

[DeclinetoState]

I believe the Supreme Court should only interpret law, and declare a law unconstitutional only if it cannot be interpreted without rejecting the Constitution (as it did in the gun law case). I don't see how this law couldn't be interpreted without finding it conflicted with the Constitution.

[PrezLeefun]

What my big sis Maggie said. Makes me sick.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

DeclinetoState:
I don't see how this law couldn't be interpreted without finding it conflicted with the Constitution.

:question: Could you untangle your triple negative?

[BuckeyeMike]

Buckeye, you're a winner! Take a bow.

As for Neil's addition . . . well, without anesthesia, anesthetics, or even antibiotics would also work.:wave::acclaim::thud::urtheman::munch:

[DeclinetoState]

:question: Could you untangle your triple negative?No, I don't think I could do without it.

[Wolfcounsel]

I prefer the three rusty nails, rusty knife, and kerosene method of castration.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

DeclinetoState:
No, I don't think I could do without it.

:question: So, you can do with it?

[DeclinetoState]

Indeed, I must do with it.

I think . . .

[Maggie_T]

Sam's a lawyer (or so I've been led to believe). I hope he never sits on a jury.

I said "people like him," darling. Sham is a liberal. Unfortunately for this country, there are way too many liberals polluting oxygen here.

If someone who believes the same things Sham does sits on the jury in charge of acquitting/convicting you, you're as good as dead, man. And your innocence/guilt is irrelevant.

[Timberwolf]

Wasn't Kennedy the swing vote on this? Wasn't he appointed to the SC by REAGAN??

I only point this out because SC appointments is one of the arguments to vote for Juan McBama.

[DeclinetoState]

If we elect a Republican, we have perhaps a 50-50 chance of getting a reasonable conservative appointed to the Court when a vacancy occurs. If we elect a Democrat, the odds go down to 0.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

If we elect a Republican, we have perhaps a 50-50 chance of getting a reasonable conservative appointed to the Court when a vacancy occurs. If we elect a Democrat, the odds go down to 0.

How do you figure? No way on this green earth a democrat controlled Senate confirms a "reasonable conservative." There's every chance in the world, however (because he has proven this time and time again), that McCain will "work" with the democrats and we will get another liberal (or two) added to the SCOTUS.

[TeenageRepublican]

I hope it never comes to that, but if it does, I hope I'd be with TR on that one. Murder the rapist, then throw myself on the mercy of a jury.

But... but... the rapist raped the child for his family, silly man!

[Maggie_T]

How do you figure? No way on this green earth a democrat controlled Senate confirms a "reasonable conservative." There's every chance in the world, however (because he has proven this time and time again), that McCain will "work" with the democrats and we will get another liberal (or two) added to the SCOTUS.


Yep. Like I say all the time about this election: either way, we're screwed.

[Wolfcounsel]

Just tell the Supreme Court monkeys to blow it out their asses, nod your heads, and continue with the sane version of any interpretation.