Plasma, LCDs blamed for accelerating global warming

[DeclinetoState]

A gas used in the making of flat screen televisions, nitrogen trifluoride (NF3), is being blamed for damaging the atmosphere and accelerating global warming.

Almost half of the televisions sold around the globe so far this year have been plasma or LCD TVs.

But this boom could be coming at a huge environmental cost.

The gas, widely used in the manufacture of flat screen TVs, is estimated to be 17,000 times as powerful as carbon dioxide.

Ironically, NF3 is not covered by the Kyoto protocol as it was only produced in tiny amounts when the treaty was signed in 1997.
More (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/03/2293369.htm?section=justin)

[PaulRevere]

Don't tell me - let me guess.
Someone will be proposing a tax on these.

[buckeyepete]

No, no tax, but you can expect to see a 'Carbon Credit' kiosk at every store. Albore will demand that you buy $2,ooo worth for every TV you buy.:punish:

[Taylor1]

My dad will be like an 80 year old man fighting off communists when it comes to taking his T.V. he's got one of these I think..

[DeclinetoState]

I wonder how many big-screen plasmas and/or LCD TVs are to be found in the Gore mansion . . . and how many carbon credits he's bought from himself to offset all the global warming they've caused.

[ThomasMore]

This reminds me of the time astronomers were accused of wrecking the universe by looking at it.

[sunsettommy]

Typical misleading crap I have come to expect from the media.

Here is a link that explains what NF3 is really used for:

Nitrogen trifluoride as an anthropogenic-greenhouse-forcing gas. (http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/nitrogen-trifluoride-as-an-anthropogenic-greenhouse-forcing-gas/)

Posted by Luke Weston (http://enochthered.wordpress.com/) on July 3, 2008

http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/nitrogen-trifluoride-as-an-anthropogenic-greenhouse-forcing-gas/

[DoctorDoom]

I wonder how many big-screen plasmas and/or LCD TVs are to be found in the Gore mansion ...Don't know about TVs, but in his computer room ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Energy-Eco/GoreComps.jpg

[Maggie_T]

Ok. These wacky eco-nazis are just like blindfolded kids trying to hit a pinata. One of the blows will eventually strike it, they hope.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Accelerating global warming? What a joke. :rotflmbo::rotflmbo:
There has been no measurable warming since 1998 and global temperatures actually dropped by 0.6oC in 2007.

[buckeyepete]

That boy is a friggin slob! Isn't he worried about spontaneous combustion in that pile of manure trash, causing his 'shack' burn down.

[DesertFox]

From sunsettommy's first link:

Nitrogen trifluoride is used in the plasma and thermal cleaning of chemical vapor deposition (CVD) reactors in the semiconductor industry. It is also used as a source of fluorine radicals for plasma etching of polysilicon, silicon nitride, tungsten silicide, and tungsten, in which application it can replace perfluorocarbons such as hexafluoroethane and sulfur hexafluoride, resulting in both ecological advantage and improved process efficiency. NF3 is an alternative to these other potent greenhouse gases and its usage has increased markedly over the last decade.

[sunsettommy]

The funny part is that while they moan about it's awsome warmforcing power over their favorite molecule.I have not been able to find the NF3 spectral band and how it relates to IR absortion.

Does anyone know?

[Taylor1]

Don't know about TVs, but in his computer room ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Energy-Eco/GoreComps.jpg

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=al+gore+in+his+tv+room&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

wow...

[Gonzo67]

First off, they need to learn a little bit about the Acronym's they LOVE to sling around. It's like the dim-witted idiots who use the phrase "PIN Number" without the brain power to comprehend the fact that the "N" in "PIN" stands for "NUMBER". So when they say "PIN Number", what they are actually saying is "Personal Identification Number Number".

So what Acronym do the mindless followers latch on to this week? Why, LCD's of course! And as they have stated that: "The gas, widely used in the manufacture of flat screen TVs..."

Now, Clearly, if they are throwing around the acronym "LCD's" in association with this "Gorebull Warming" bullshit, they MUST know what "LCD" stands for do they not? Well, apparently not...

"LCD" = LIQUID Crystal Diode. Therefore, it's HIGHLY unlikely that the GAS that they are worried about is being leaked into the atmosphere from LCD Televisions and flat screens.

I wish these assholes would just stop long enough to take a breath, go back, review tapes of some of their past comments, arrive at the same conclusion WE have all arrived at (namely that they are pathetic wastes of sperm) and do us ALL a favor and nibble on the barrel of a gun. Yes, I know that most of them are Anti-Gun, but I'm sure more than a FEW people here would be willing to loan them one. Hell, I'll buy the bullets!

[Timberwolf]

DF...just further down in that same link:
One has to wonder what the emissions of sulfur hexafluoride, perfluorocarbons and/or nitrogen trifluoride are for the manufacturing of a typical plasma TV, and how it compares to the emissions of sulfur hexafluoride, perfluorocarbons and/or nitrogen trifluoride over the manufacturing of, say, one typical solar photovoltaic panel. Obviously a photovoltaic panel has got much more polycrystalline silicon in it than your TV - yet, do we hear anything about manufacturing of solar photovoltaic cells in this regard?

In fact, worldwide interest in sustainable energy systems and the ensuing growth of the solar photovoltaics industry is one of the main forces driving increased industrial demand for nitrogen trifluoride and other gases employed in the processing of semiconductor materials:
:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Truly PRICELESS!!!

[DoctorDoom]

From SST's link:

The use of such materials applies to basically everything containing semiconductors - essentially all modern electronic technologies are equally relevant, from your PC to your TV to your solar panels to your PC to your cellphone. Semiconductor technology is a fundamentally important cornerstone of our modern civilisation.Obvously that simply won't do. We must return to the eco-friendly days of yore, and replace semiconductors with a "clean" alternative.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/CompTech/tubes.jpg

That of course means that your home computers will be a tad larger ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/CompTech/Eniac600.jpg

--- and a bit slower (about 5000 instructions/second rather than a couple of billion). and that your power bill will go up slightly (about 200,000 watts), but those are after all small prices to pay so that we can fight

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Energy-Eco/Gorebull.gif

OOPS ... my bad. That's no longer in vogue ... so that we can fight

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Energy-Eco/ClimateChange.gif

[DeclinetoState]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Energy-Eco/GoreComps.jpg

OK, what's with the stupid frog on the wall?

[sunsettommy]

From the link I posted in this thread,

Luke Weston replied to my request for information concerning the NF3 spectral frequency.

LOL,

He could not find it either.

So all that talk about how impressive it is over CO2 is all hot air and no relevant spectral information provided.I have a feeling that it has a minimal IR presence to amount to anything to even be concerned over.

I hate it when they do this crap.

[DoctorDoom]

They use the time-honored principle that if you can't disprove their claims, the claims are true. That's SOP for junk-science liberals.

[DesertFox]

OK, what's with the stupid frog on the wall? What frog? That's a pitcher of young Al before he discovered his fate and set out to be God.

[DoctorDoom]

For the curious (and even for those who don't give a schitte), here's the LCD acronym list.

LCD - Acronym Definition

LCD - Laminate Cartridge
LCD - Land Conservation District
LCD - Large Cerenkov Detector
LCD - Last Certified Day
LCD - Latino Consent Decree
LCD - Lattice Code Decoder
LCD - Lattice Corneal Dystrophy
LCD - Launcher Closure Door (Intercontinental Ballistic Missile)
LCD - Learner-Centered Design
LCD - Least/Lowest Common Denominator
LCD - Lesotho Congress for Democracy (Lesotho)
LCD - Letter Carrier Depot (Canada Post)
LCD - Ley de Competencia Desleal (Spanish: Unfair Competition Law)
LCD - Life Cycle Designer
LCD - Limited Conversion Division (military)
LCD - Line Concentrating Device (Nortel)
LCD - Liquid Crystal Diode (common, but incorrect)
LCD - Liquid Crystal Display (display technology)
LCD - Liquor Carbonis Detergens (skin treatment)
LCD - LISP Code Directory (Emacs)
LCD - Living Causes Death (online radio show and cartoon)
LCD - Local Change Directory
LCD - Local Climatological Data
LCD - Local Configuration Datastore
LCD - Local Coverage Decisions (Medicare)
LCD - Local Coverage Determination
LCD - Logistics Communications Division
LCD - Long Constrained Delay
LCD - Loopback Command, Digital Loop Request
LCD - Lord Chancellor's Department (UK government)
LCD - Loss of Cell Delineation (ATM)
LCD - Lost Calls Delayed
LCD - Low Carbohydrate DietLCD - What does LCD stand for? (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LCD)

Now, ya see what kinda kewl stuff ya can learn on FC?

[DeclinetoState]

OK, what's with the stupid frog on the wall?What frog? That's a pitcher of young Al before he discovered his fate and set out to be God.
Did that happen before or after he invented, er, created the Internet?