Another WBC funeral protest

[S-T]

The Fayetteville Observer reported Wednesday a Kansas church plans a "gospel picket" on the death of 23-year-old Army Spc. Megan L. Touma, of Cold Spring, Ky. Police Sgt. John Somerindyke says Westboro Baptist Church is seeking a city permit for July 16.

The church has organized harassment of mourners at funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, saying war casualties are divine revenge for America tolerating gays and lesbians.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,378685,00.html

Some Leftists think all Christians are like this.

If they read this site (including wishes for grave bodily harm to come to the Pheps freaks) they would know differently. Or not. Leftists are known for willfully disregarding facts.

[PrezLeefun]

Good God. Shut these people up Lord please shut these people up.

[Neil Peart]

Good God. Shut these people up Lord please shut these people up.That'll happen in time, Prez.

[PrezLeefun]

I wish it would happen now. They pervert everything about Christianity. And they get press for it.

[Maggie_T]

Prez is right.

These freaks play right into the anti-Christian drive-by media's hands. :flame:

[DesertFox]

For those who didn't know, these are the "Far Right." The press deliberately blurs any distinctions between the rest of us and these weirdos.

Anything taken to extremes results in bullshit.

[Taylor1]

For those who didn't know, these are the "Far Right." The press deliberately blurs any distinctions between the rest of us and these weirdos.

Anything taken to extremes results in bullshit.

Yes very much. I want to hit these baptists with a baseball bat each. Wow, I'm violent..

[Longhorn_Platinum]

DesertFox:
For those who didn't know, these are the "Far Right." The press deliberately blurs any distinctions between the rest of us and these weirdos.

:unsmile: Actually, they're not at all "right". Fred Phelps is a democrat. But the drive-by media, & even Bill O'Reilly, wrongly label them as "right".

[PrezLeefun]

^^^What LP said. These people are not a part of the right. They are a sick twisted element of the left.

Waving a bible around doesn't make someone "right wing".

[DeclinetoState]

What Moo and Prez have said. That's why, whenever I post anything that they have said or done, I try to remind everyone that Phelps is a lifelong Democrat and onetime Algore supporter.

[PrezLeefun]

And doesnt the same go for the KKK movement. Aren't they all about nanny gov't for whites only?

[DeclinetoState]

The KKK was traditionally an organization of mostly Democrats. David Duke was the exception; Robert Byrd was the rule.

[Rhino]

I want to hit these baptists with a baseball bat each.They aren't Baptists. They just use the name, and the Baptists aren't exactly happy about it either.

“The slogans that Fred Phelps and his group are promoting are unscriptural and very inappropriate,” says Dwayne Hastings, director of communications for the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics and religious-liberty commission. “Southern Baptists stand on the word of God in believing that homosexuality is wrong and that, as the Bible says, it’s an abomination to God. But God does not hate the homosexual…. To those who are unaware of the orthodox Christian view of homosexuality, Fred Phelps presents a distorted and, in fact, perverted view of God’s word in his message of hate.”http://www.apologeticsindex.org/111-westboro-baptist-church

SBC president, chaplains denounce military funeral protests

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--Fred Phelps, the Topeka, Kan., pastor who has been protesting at the funerals of U.S. troops slain in Iraq, engages in “hate-filled activities” and is not a Southern Baptist, SBC President Bobby Welch said Aug. 29 in a statement.

Phelps and his followers from Westboro Baptist Church -- notorious for their “God hates fags” posters -- have staged protests at soldiers’ funerals in several states. The group reasons that roadside bombs killing American troops in Iraq are God’s retribution against America for a small bomb that caused approximately $1,800 damage outside the Topeka home of one of Phelps’ daughters in 1995. The group also emphasizes that it opposes the U.S. military for allowing homosexuals to serve. The military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy prevents homosexuals from serving openly but also prohibits the military from asking soldiers about their sexual preference.

Westboro Baptist is an independent church not affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

Welch, the pastor of First Baptist Church in Daytona Beach, Fla., said Phelps and his followers “have gone far beyond reason in their efforts to use funerals of our fallen war heroes from Iraq to spotlight themselves.

“Southern Baptists have consistently condemned and officially distanced themselves from Phelps’ hate-filled activities," Welch said....http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=21487

[DesertFox]

If they believe in God, they're on the Right. These people are Far Rightists.

[DeclinetoState]

Phelps is a "primitive" Baptist, "primitive" being the operative word.

[PrezLeefun]

If they believe in God, they're on the Right. These people are Far Rightists.

Please tell me you have a better theory than God to back up their being on the "right".

[LivingDeadGirl]

I wish someone would introduce Mr. Phelps to the God he keeps talking about. I think Mr Phelps will find that the Lord will take great exception to being referred to in such ways...

[DesertFox]

Please tell me you have a better theory than God to back up their being on the "right". Sure do. And you've read it, or at least part of it, here (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19101)

[PrezLeefun]

fair enough, but I disagree. The Phelps are far lefties abusing a bible.

[DesertFox]

If they're liars about believing in God, then you're spot on. And I do think they're liars, therefore I agree with you.

[Rhino]

I disagree that belief in God equates to the political right. I know tons of decidedly left wing Christians.

[PrezLeefun]

^^^ As do I.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

DesertFox:
If they believe in God, they're on the Right. These people are Far Rightists.

http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/read.gif James 2:
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

:unsmile: Demons believe in God, & I'm sure that God believes in Himself, so I guess by your reckoning, they're on the same side.

:unsmile: Not to mention that Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Kathleen Sebelius, & a whole host of left-leaning pro-abortion wackos are supposedly devout Catholics, so they at least put up a pretense of believing in God. And this makes them "Far Rightists"?

[Longhorn_Platinum]

DesertFox:
If they're liars about believing in God, then you're spot on. And I do think they're liars, therefore I agree with you.

:moo: Oops, sorry, I didn't read that far.

[DesertFox]

I disagree that belief in God equates to the political right. I know tons of decidedly left wing Christians. Have you read this (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19101) thread in its entirety? You appear only toward the end, and I'd like your feedback.

[EveningStar]

They're not Christians. They're not a church.

[EveningStar]

I disagree that belief in God equates to the political right. I know tons of decidedly left wing Christians.
Me too. I even know a YEC liberal Democrat Christian. A very fine person, BTW.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

:unsmile: If you really want to compare the political spectrum to religious beliefs, let me just throw out a hypothesis here. Perhaps a person's proximity to the right is in direct proportion to how much he values his own faith in God. (I don't agree that far right is anarchy.) Kathleen Sebelius seems to cherish a woman's right to an abortion more than her faith in God. She's leftwing. Al Gore was willing to lie & cheat in his bid to steal the White House, so he obviously values his personal ambition above his Christianity, which he has minimized to his "faith tradition". He's leftwing. These are just two examples out of many.

:unsmile: And what can we say about Fred Phelps? What does he value the most? From what I understand, Westboro Baptist Church's membership consists mostly of Phelps family members, & isn't growing, so he's obviously not about winning people to Christ. My guess is that he's just a shameless media whore who loves attention, even if it's negative. He cherishes face time with the camera more than his faith in God. I believe he's either leftwing, or he's just a bizarre nutbag who defies any placement on the spectrum. He's not rightwing. His bigotry alone puts him in the company of leftwingers.

:unsmile: It would actually be difficult to explore this hypothesis further, without running the risk of sitting in judgement on the faith of others, but I'm just speculating that the more people love themselves, the more they lean left. The more they love God, the more they lean right. That's just the way it seems to me. And I'm aware that others might find exceptions either way.

:unsmile: Notice to FiSTed iDioTs: I'm quite aware that you'll want to snigger over what I've posted. Try to remember that the last time you lampooned one of my comments, I showed up at your comments board to defend it. I was told that I wasn't welcome there, & I responded that if you don't want my comments on your website, then stop stealing them from this one. In other words, shove it up your self-righteous asses.

[DesertFox]

I'm just speculating that the more people love themselves, the more they lean left. The more they love God, the more they lean right. That's just the way it seems to me. And an interesting proposition it is. I think it comes down to what's really meant by self-love, which IMO trips over the definition of love. In my thinking, more-or-less following the lead of Baruch Spinoza, true self-regard (love) is love of God. The self love you're talking about, seems to me, describes the childish selfishness of the immature rather than love; and in fact is the polar opposite of love. The more one loves God, the more one thinks of others and not of self. Again, this is just my speculation on your speculations and I welcome your response. To me, this is the single most interesting question of our lives and I welcome the input of serious thinkers.

[Rhino]

Have you read this (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19101) thread in its entirety? You appear only toward the end, and I'd like your feedback.Yes, I've read it. I just discount the notion that religion determines whether one is right or left. Reality proves that notion wrong. As I said, I know tons of decidedly left wing Christians.

[Lazarus]

If they believe in God, they're on the Right. These people are Far Rightists.Muslims believe in God... Does that put them on the right? I understand your point, Fox, but I think you're over-reaching...

There is nothing RIGHT about these twisted freaks, neither in the political sense nor the moral sense... They are the worst excess of RELIGION, not Christianity - The invention of Satan - The stuff that inquisitions are made of...

What I don't get is why all these so-called Christian activist leaders who love to tell the media their opinions on politics, don't get in front of the media cameras and denounce these freaks in the strongest possible terms... Phelps and his crowd should be ostricized by the Left and the Right for their actions - They should be isolated from society, especially in their own town... For these "Christian leaders" to remain silent on the subject is tantamount to "Peaceful Muslims" remaining silent about radical Islamists... They like to run their mouths about everything else - Where are they on this Phelps bastard?

Well nevermind - Some PATRIOTIC mob of Biker brutes, sensitive to the grieving families of soldiers who died in defense of our country, will show up and "deal" with Mr Phelps...:flame:

[Wolfcounsel]

A belief in God and a dripping hate for your fellow man who has done no harm to you or tried to suppress you or place a yoke on you or tried to control you, places you on the side of evil, and I don't give a rat's ass if that is left or right.

[Wolfcounsel]

"What I don't get is why all these so-called Christian activist leaders who love to tell the media their opinions on politics, don't get in front of the media cameras and denounce these freaks in the strongest possible terms... Phelps and his crowd should be ostricized by the Left and the Right for their actions -..." --Lazarus

Cowards run in packs. Sometimes in large packs. Look at the millions of Muslims controlled by a handful of psychotic sand monkeys.

[Taylor1]

I know left-wing christians, they're all like "if you have clean air, thank a democrat"

[The_Elucidator]

The more one loves God, the more one thinks of others and not of self.

IMHO, that is exactly right!

The more Christ like we become the more the Holy Spirit works through us and actually intercedes for us. Fred Phelps has boxed himself into the, almost always fatal, "Expert Christian" mentality. He is so focused on legalism that he completely misses the power and love of the Holy Spirit. He is a prime example of what happens to someone who becomes a slave to doctrine and the law. There is a book out by Dr Dwight Carlson that discusses people like Fred Phelps in great detail, "Overcoming 7 Obstacles to Spiritual Growth."