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DesertFox
07-14-2008, 05:03 PM
Christopher Hitchens

If there is one element of moral and political certainty that cements the liberal consensus more than any other, it is the complacent view that while Iraq is "a war of choice," it is really and only Afghanistan that is a war of necessity. The ritualistic solidity of this view is impressive. It survives all arguments and all evidence. Just in the last month, as the Iraqi-based jihadists began to beat a retreat and even (according to some reports) to attempt to relocate to Afghanistan and Pakistan, it still seemed to many commentators that this proved that no U.S. forces should have been wasted on Iraq in the first place. This simplistic view ignores, at a minimum, the following points:

1. Many of the al-Qaida forces—most notably the horrific but now deceased Abu Musab al-Zarqawi—made their way to Iraq in the first place only after being forcibly evicted from Afghanistan. Thus, if one did not want to be confronting Bin Laden fans in Mesopotamia, it was surely a mistake to invade Afghanistan rather than Iraq.

2. The American presence in Afghanistan is not at all "unilateral"; it meets every liberal criterion of being formally underwritten and endorsed and armed and reinforced by our NATO and U.N. allies. Indeed, the commander of the anti-Taliban forces is usually not even an American. Yet it is in these circumstances that more American casualties—and not just American ones—are being experienced than are being suffered in Iraq. If this is so, the reason cannot simply be that our resources are being deployed elsewhere.

3. Many of the most successful drives against the Taliban have been conducted by American forces redeployed from Iraq, in particular from Anbar province. But these military victories are the result of counterinsurgent tactics and strategies that were learned in Iraq and that have been applied triumphantly in Afghanistan.

In other words, any attempt to play off the two wars against each other is little more than a small-minded and zero-sum exercise.

More (http://www.slate.com/id/2195288/)

Naturalized-Texan
07-14-2008, 05:08 PM
As I've been saying almost since I've been here, the Iraq campaign - Operation Iraqi Freedom - is as essential to winning the War on Terror as the D-Day Normandy invasion was to winning World War II.

Maggie_T
07-14-2008, 07:02 PM
If there is one element of moral and political certainty that cements the liberal consensus more than any other, it is the complacent view that while Iraq is "a war of choice," it is really and only Afghanistan that is a war of necessity.

And if we go and fight in Afghanistan, liberals will throw a tantrum and wail that it is really and only Darfur that is a war of necessity. And when we go and fight in Darfur, liberals are going to pull another tantrum and wail that we should take our battle to Timbuktu, where the reall and only war of necessity is.

In short, liberals DETEST American troops delopying anywhere. Left to them, liberals would dismantle the US army - and all its annexes - overnight.

That's the only "war of necessity" that liberals want to win.

DesertFox
07-15-2008, 09:42 AM
I've been rereading Coulter's Treason and am now on Evans' Blacklisted by History. Anybody who thinks Russian Communism died and went away isn't paying attention.

Rhino
07-15-2008, 10:33 AM
This was on Slate??? Well, miracles never cease!

DesertFox
07-15-2008, 01:32 PM
Only because it was Hitchens, I'm sure.

Maggie_T
07-15-2008, 08:44 PM
I've been rereading Coulter's Treason and am now on Evans' Blacklisted by History. Anybody who thinks Russian Communism died and went away isn't paying attention.

Thank you, Fox. I've been saying that till I got blue in the face. Reagan may have vanquished the USSR, but communism is still alive and well, thank you very much.

Don't take my word for it. Look at HUSSEIN's campaign slogans: he wants to get rid of business; he wants to expand government - boy, how he wants to expand government - he hates America. She is too rich, too prosperous. It's an offense to poor 3rd world counties.

HUSSEIN will raise your taxes to high heaven. And there will be nothing to show for it, except more and more useless social programs.

HUSSEIN wants America to lose the WoT. In short, he wants to reduce America to the same mediocre, loser level as Europe. He wants a One World Order, with the UN in charge, and America on her knees.

And people are falling for it, line, hook, and sinker.

DesertFox
07-15-2008, 10:56 PM
They aren't falling for his agenda. They're falling for HIM. They're in love with his pretty words and pretty face.

Most of them couldn't tell you what his agenda is, much less what it's going to mean where the rubber hits the road.

Maggie_T
07-16-2008, 12:19 PM
Well, however you want to define it, we'll still end up with his bloody agenda.