USATODAYGALLUP: McCain Up 4 Among Likely Voters

[Naturalized-Texan]

USATODAYGALLUP: MCCAIN UP 4 AMONG LIKELY VOTERS (http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/)

Republican presidential candidate John McCain moved from being behind by 6 points among "likely" voters a month ago to a 4-point lead over Democrat Barack Obama among that group in the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. McCain still trails slightly among the broader universe of "registered" voters. By both measures, the race is tight.

The Friday-Sunday poll, mostly conducted as Obama was returning from his much-publicized overseas trip and released just this hour, shows McCain now ahead 49%-45% among voters that Gallup believes are most likely to go to the polls in November. In late June, he was behind among likely voters, 50%-44%.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

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[DeclinetoState]

I still wish we had better candidates (on both sides, though that has become nothing more than a wild fantasy as far as the Democrats are concerned).

[Lazarus]

I heard this news on the radio coming into work this morning... Cause for celebration for our McCainiacs...:smirky: I'm happy for your apparent joy... Since neither one is MY candidate, you'll understand if I don't get too excited...:brow:

A friendly word of warning - Today's Political polls are fickle, rarely statistically accurate, and are mostly used today to keep the public tuned in to the various media outlets... Its all about entertainment - all part of the Bread and Circus mentality of pop culture America...

These latest numbers from this single poll are just part of the ebb and flow of a campaign that is still likely to change directions many times before November... All it takes is a single gaff on either side, or a properly orchestrated media propoganda blitz, and these numbers can shift dramatically...

[Naturalized-Texan]

Note that the polls giving Obama a lead are of registered voters, not likely voters as this one is. Polls of likely voters have proven to be more accurate than polls of registered voters.

I know full well that it's much too early to hang anything on these polls.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Laz, you need to get on the McCain bandwagon and help him save the country from destruction at the hands of B. Hussein Obama and his fascist cohorts.

[DeclinetoState]

Note that the polls giving Obama a lead are of registered voters, not likely voters as this one is. Polls of likely voters have proven to be more accurate than polls of registered voters.Especially if the registered voters are the result of a recent voter-registration drive.

IAC, I think the polls skew to the left, because if you are surveyed, you're probably more likely to say either the name of the Democrat (thinking it's one of those "push polls," that are really advertisements to try to persuade you to vote one way or the other), or simply declare yourself undecided, even if you plan to vote for a Republican. If McCain polls at +4%, he might really have a 5-6% lead. However, given that Barack H. Obama has not even been officially nominated yet, the polls mean next to nothing.

[Lazarus]

Laz, you need to get on the McCain bandwagon and help him save the country from destruction at the hands of B. Hussein Obama and his fascist cohorts.Tex... McCain is not going to save this country - He's no more a Messiah than Obama is... And I don't jump on bandwagons with candidates who have repeatedly betrayed me and the efforts of true conservatives... You may as well give up on that campaign... McCain has a lot of ground on the right to reclaim in order to win my vote - I doubt he could actually pull it off at this point...

As I said before, I don't have a candidate in this race... Let's not rehash that old fight, shall we? I'm only commenting on the Poll itself... I don't do "bandwagons"...

[Maggie_T]

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Show me these numbers in October and I'll join the celebrations.

Don't take me wrong. I certainly would like to see the Fuhrer get his skinny arse kicked across the pond to Germany. I just don't believe the liberal thugs will allow it, that's all.

Doesn't mean I'll stop praying, you understand. ;)

[Naturalized-Texan]

Tex... McCain is not going to save this country - He's no more a Messiah than Obama is... And I don't jump on bandwagons with candidates who have repeatedly betrayed me and the efforts of true conservatives... You may as well give up on that campaign...
I'll never give up because the future of this nation as well as my grandkids' futures are at stake.

[The_Elucidator]

Let's be perfectly clear; there are NO McCainiacs on this board!

[Lazarus]

Could it be that our persuasive arguments have converted them all to our way of thinking? Praise de Loyd...!!!! We're all singing from the same hymnal now - Tis a miracle indeed... :biggrin: Dis must be the Age of Aquarius...

[The_Elucidator]

Could it be that our persuasive arguments have converted them all to our way of thinking? Praise de Loyd...!!!! We're all singing from the same hymnal now - Tis a miracle indeed... :biggrin: Dis must be the Age of Aquarius...

This board may ultimately sing from the same hymnal, but I doubt we will ever be singing the same song... :smirky:

[DeclinetoState]

This board may ultimately sing from the same hymnal, but I doubt we will ever be singing the same song... :smirky:
Especially "Aquarius" (believed by some to be a "New Age" indoctrination work):

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[Naturalized-Texan]

Let's be perfectly clear; there are NO McCainiacs on this board!
True! But given the fact that there are ONLY 2 candidates who have any chance at all to become president, the choice between them is clear:

Vote for John McCain!

[Lazarus]

...Vote for John McCain!Shrug...If you think it will help.... It won't, but vote that way if it makes you feel better...

[Rhino]

Note that the polls giving Obama a lead are of registered voters, not likely voters as this one is. Polls of likely voters have proven to be more accurate than polls of registered voters.Guess which poll most of the DBM is reporting.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Maggie_T:
Show me these numbers in October and I'll join the celebrations.

:unsmile: Not me. Those numbers are too close for comfort. They just look better than June's numbers. By October, I hope McCain is up by double digits, enough so that the demonic rat election machine will realize how utterly futile it would be to try to steal the election with repeated recounts.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Lazarus:
Shrug...If you think it will help.... It won't, but vote that way if it makes you feel better...

:moo: It will.

[Naturalized-Texan]

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[Elgalad]

Obama winning the election would be a tragedy.

McVain winning the election would be a tragedy this country will never recover from.

I refuse to throw away the future of my friends, family, children, and grandchildren, as well as the nation I love and the Constitution I have sworn to protect, in order to jump on this out of control bandwagon. This phony "republican", who has proven time and again that he is an Enemy of conservatism is not the solution. He is the Problem.

And he will Never get my vote.


-Elgalad

[Naturalized-Texan]

McVain winning the election would be a tragedy this country will never recover from.
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:
You're joking. of course.
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Obama winning the election would be a tragedy.

McVain winning the election would be a tragedy this country will never recover from.

I refuse to throw away the future of my friends, family, children, and grandchildren, as well as the nation I love and the Constitution I have sworn to protect, in order to jump on this out of control bandwagon. This phony "republican", who has proven time and again that he is an Enemy of conservatism is not the solution. He is the Problem.

And he will Never get my vote*.


-Elgalad

:claps: :yeahthat: :claps:

*With one possible (remote) exception. (http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showpost.php?p=706670&postcount=12)

[Rhino]

You're joking. of course.No. He isn't.

[Naturalized-Texan]

No. He isn't.
Of course he is. Either that or he isn't informed, but I didn't want to say that.

[Rhino]

Just because you disagree on the possible impact, doesn't mean he isn't informed. He may well end up being right.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Just because you disagree on the possible impact, doesn't mean he isn't informed. He may well end up being right.
Nah! Not a chance.

[ThomasMore]

Obama, with a Democrat Congress, will almost certainly, irrecoverably destroy the country.

McCain, for whom Sam Alito was too conservative to nominate for the Supreme Court...McCain, who believes that global warming is a bigger problem than the availability of domestic energy...McCain, who has already backed off his "no new taxes" pledge...McCain, "reaching across the aisle" to a Democrat Congress...will very probably, irrecoverably destroy the country. McCain's one, ONE saving grace is that he honors our military people and will probably use our military forces with more wisdom than would Obama.

If Bob Barr was a serious candidate with a serious party behind him (he is neither), I would throw my vote to him. Notwithstanding his personal baggage, at least he is a Reagan/Gingrich conservative.

The Poles, caught between Hitler and Stalin, had to feel about as good as I feel about this coming election.

[Elgalad]

The Poles, caught between Hitler and Stalin, had to feel about as good as I feel about this coming election.

Rather than take that "Devil's Choice", the Poles chose a third option; to fight against Both. It wasn't successful of course, they were vastly outnumbered and out-gunned, even if they had only to have faced one of those threats. But it Was the only honorable and honest choice they had, and they fought back proudly.

One must note this curiosity, however..

While Hitler's Germany has long since gone to the scrapheap of history, as has Stalin's Soviet Union.. Poland remains a sovereign nation today. And its people enjoy far more freedom now than they Ever knew prior to World War II. Of course it's correct to point to the victory of America over the Soviet Union in the Cold War as a root cause for that, but one must Also chalk it up to the Decades that the Poles fiercely maintained their core values and innate independence even while enslaved behind the brutal Iron Curtain.

Had the Poles chosen from the start to embrace the 'lesser of two evils' strategy and 'surrender to the inevitable', it is Highly doubtful that would now be the case.


Just food for thought. :question:


-Elgalad

[Elgalad]

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:
You're joking. of course.
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Thank you for treating my posts as seriously as I do yours.

:unsmile:

No. He isn't.
Of course he is. Either that or he isn't informed, but I didn't want to say that.

And then you do, anyway.

:unsmile:

Just because you disagree on the possible impact, doesn't mean he isn't informed. He may well end up being right.
Nah! Not a chance.

Being so confident in your position is commendable. I admire your dedication, if not your stance.

But bear in mind, my own confidence that you are absolutely wrong is no less firm.

Dismiss me and my disregard for your candidate all you like, but when we continue this conversation in 2012, I promise you now that if my position was wrong during this campaign, I will readily admit it.

I ask you to do the same.



-Elgalad

[Lazarus]

The Poles, caught between Hitler and Stalin, had to feel about as good as I feel about this coming election.<!-- / message -->

Rather than take that "Devil's Choice", the Poles chose a third option; to fight against Both. ....it Was the only honorable and honest choice they had, and they fought back proudly.

One must note this curiosity, however..

While Hitler's Germany has long since gone to the scrapheap of history, as has Stalin's Soviet Union.. Poland remains a sovereign nation today....Had the Poles chosen from the start to embrace the 'lesser of two evils' strategy and 'surrender to the inevitable', it is Highly doubtful that would now be the case....:claps:Absolutely outstanding observations by both Thomas and Elgalad...

This kind of Brilliant analysis is why I'm honored to be aquainted with the people of this board...:claps:

[Lazarus]

Thank you for treating my posts as seriously as I do yours.:rotflmbo: Sorry, that one just made me laugh...
Dismiss me and my disregard for your candidate all you like, but when we continue this conversation in 2012, I promise you now that if my position was wrong during this campaign, I will readily admit it...As will I - One wonders if those who so vehemently support McCain as our only salvation will admit their error when McCain begins to treat us and the Constitution with the same betrayal he has shown with such regularity thru his Senate career...

If McCain proves me wrong, I will support him for a second term - That I promise...

[Penguin]

If McCain proves me wrong, I will support him for a second term - That I promise...

Therein lies the crux. And why McCain's VP selection is far more important than VP picks in the past. The man is well over 70, has a history of cancer and has made small noises that he might only serve one term. The last is of course, pure speculation, but not 100% unfounded.

A solid VEEP pick will make me hold my nose very hard and vote for him. For this vote is probably for 2012 just as much as it is for 2008. While McCain has generally been a disaster and a backstabber, especially in the last 8 years due to his bitterness and huge ego, almost anyone in contrast to the IslamoDog-worshiping, Racial Terrorist preaching, Unilateral Disarming and Soviet Planning Oburkha seems sane in comparison.

[Lazarus]

Therein lies the crux. And why McCain's VP selection is far more important than VP picks in the past. The man is well over 70, has a history of cancer and has made small noises that he might only serve one term. The last is of course, pure speculation, but not 100% unfounded.

A solid VEEP pick will make me hold my nose very hard and vote for him. For this vote is probably for 2012 just as much as it is for 2008. While McCain has generally been a disaster and a backstabber, especially in the last 8 years due to his bitterness and huge ego, almost anyone in contrast to the IslamoDog-worshiping, Racial Terrorist preaching, Unilateral Disarming and Soviet Planning Oburkha seems sane in comparison.I understand your point of view, Penguin, but I don't agree with the ungent necessity of the VP... McCain's VP is going to be not much more than a backup for McCain - I don't see McCain taking conservative advice from a VP much less sharing power with him...

As for election prospects in 2012, America will elect ANY good solid Conservative leader... They are hungry for a common sense Conservative leader with the balls to lead from the front... He need not be already in the Whitehouse structure to win - he needs only to be a solid man...

Besides, I really do NOT expect McCain to choose a true Conservative as his VP... McCain believes in reaching across to the Left - not the right... The Right is an embarrassment to RINOs like McCain... A Conservative VP would have to spend 4 years compromising his beliefs if he is to be of any service to McCain - I believe McCain will choose someone more closely to his own RINO beliefs...

[The_Elucidator]

As for election prospects in 2012, America will elect ANY good solid Conservative leader... They are hungry for a common sense Conservative leader with the balls to lead from the front... He need not be already in the Whitehouse structure to win - he needs only to be a solid man...


Color me skeptical... For the first time in my life I now believe that a majority of American voters are "stuck on stupid." No need to elaborate!! :smirky:

[Maggie_T]

Obama, with a Democrat Congress, will almost certainly, irrecoverably destroy the country.

McCain, for whom Sam Alito was too conservative to nominate for the Supreme Court...McCain, who believes that global warming is a bigger problem than the availability of domestic energy...McCain, who has already backed off his "no new taxes" pledge...McCain, "reaching across the aisle" to a Democrat Congress...will very probably, irrecoverably destroy the country. McCain's one, ONE saving grace is that he honors our military people and will probably use our military forces with more wisdom than would Obama.

If Bob Barr was a serious candidate with a serious party behind him (he is neither), I would throw my vote to him. Notwithstanding his personal baggage, at least he is a Reagan/Gingrich conservative.

The Poles, caught between Hitler and Stalin, had to feel about as good as I feel about this coming election.


:claps: :yeahthat: :claps: