Krauthammer Links Obama's Berlin Speech To Hitler's Nazi Rallies

[EveningStar]

The left is having a hissy fit. This is from a left wing blog called BlogJunkies.

Last night on Fox News’ Special Report, host Brit Hume asked the “All-Star Panel” for “help” in determining whether or not Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) got “a bounce” in the polls as a result of his recent trip to the Middle East and Europe.

Referring to Obama’s Berlin speech that was reportedly in front of more than 200,000 people, neo-conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer said he did not get a bounce because apparently, Americans don’t like it when politicians emulate Adolf Hitler at a Nazi rally:

***HUME: Panel, help. Did [Obama] get a bounce from the trip or not? […]

***KRAUTHAMMER: I’m not sure — I don’t think he got a bounce. I’m not sure it was his intention. You don’t get a bounce out of standing in front of 200,000 Germans at a rally who are chanting your name. Bad vibes sometimes, historically.
More (http://www.blogjunkies.com/29/07/2008/krauthammer-links-obamas-berlin-speech-to-hitlers-nazi-rallies/)

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[Lazarus]

And this is coming from a guy named Krrrrrauthammer!!! Who would know better than him? :rotflmbo:

Krauthammer has become one of the very few TV talking heads that I listen to... He's always right on target...:thumb:

[Rhino]

Molehill, meet mountain.

[Penguin]

neo-conservative columnist Charles KrauthammerAnother Leftist/Marxist Cloak Word. We all know that when some lefty uses the word, "neo-conservative", they really mean "Jew". And in a derogatory way.

As usual, Charles was right on target. I immediately though of Hitler, what with the way OBurkha was gesturing and speaking to those beer-soaked and braut-breathed Nazis. Actually, it was rather surprising that 10 million did not show up for his speech. Offer free beer and brauts to Nazis and they will piss on Hitler's Bunker and take a dump on Himmler's grave to get their share.

After this speech, I have started dubbing OBurhka "Der Fumbler", since he again spoke like he was coming down from a paint fume high.

[EveningStar]

OBurkha
:rotflmbo:

[DesertFox]

They makin' a proton out of a neutron.

[BarkleUSA]

It's not a fair comparison - Hitler ruled with an iron fist, inspired national pride and blamed Germany's problems on the Jews while Obama will rule with a limp wrist, hates his country and blames the world's problems on Bush. Plus Hitler hated communists while Obama is one.

[TSawyer2112]

Extremists on the left throw analogies to Hitler around like Ted Kennedy throws down glasses of scotch. I find this left-wing blogger's self-righteous whining laughable.

[Naturalized-Texan]

Extremists on the left throw analogies to Hitler around like Ted Kennedy throws down glasses of scotch. I find this left-wing blogger's self-righteous whining laughable.
What left-wing blogger are you referring to? No one on this thread has mentioned anyone who even remotely resembles a left-winger (except for your mention of Ted Kennedy).

[TSawyer2112]

What left-wing blogger are you referring to? No one on this thread has mentioned anyone who even remotely resembles a left-winger (except for your mention of Ted Kennedy).

Did you not click on the "more" link under the quote box of the first post? Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but it sounds like it was written by a left-winger to me.

[Maggie_T]

Extremists on the left throw analogies to Hitler around like Ted Kennedy throws down glasses of scotch. I find this left-wing blogger's self-righteous whining laughable.

Ah, but you see, T, this time the analogy hits their boy. It's all very well when to call Bush a Nazi. Or Kar Rove, or any other conservative.

But don't you dare call a liberal (a black one, at that) a Nazi! Even if he behaves like one. No, no. Very bad form. A slander, too.

Liberals, mate. http://freeconservatives.com/smilies/smilies2/icon88.gif

[PaulRevere]

It's not a fair comparison - Hitler ruled with an iron fist, inspired national pride and blamed Germany's problems on the Jews while Obama will rule with a limp wrist, hates his country and blames the world's problems on Bush. Plus Hitler hated communists while Obama is one.
Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Castro, or whoever, the Obamanation is a leftist cult of personality hero idolized by shallow-thinking leftists who want to be ruled like slaves, plebians, serfs, and the proletariat. They are drawn to engaging speakers like moths to road flares. As they are largely irreligious, they still need something or someone to fill the spiritual voids in their lives. Hallow words like "hope" and "change" will vague ideas of some leftist utopia is all it takes for these willing fools.

PS: I run from the dinner table to listen to Charles Krauthammer. He so effortlessly bashes the hell out of the lefties with his indisputable logic and eloquence, it's a pleasure listening to him every night.

[Longhorn_Platinum]

Maggie_T:
But don't you dare call a liberal (a black one, at that) a Nazi!

:unsmile: Actually, he's fifteen thirty-seconds Arabic, but that makes the analogy all the more valid. Wasn't there a connection between Hitler & the Middle East?

Note to FiSTed iDioTs, before y'all jump on this post & make yourselves out to be the morons that y'all are, you might want to do a Google search for "Amin al-Husseini".

[gnome]

Another Leftist/Marxist Cloak Word. We all know that when some lefty uses the word, "neo-conservative", they really mean "Jew". And in a derogatory way.

I think you're seriously mistaken about this. Among the left "neo-conservative" is usually derogatory, but this is the first time I've ever heard of the term being associated with anti-semitism.

[DesertFox]

Then you've lived a sheltered life. It's done regularly.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I think you're seriously mistaken about this. Among the left "neo-conservative" is usually derogatory, but this is the first time I've ever heard of the term being associated with anti-semitism.
Then you haven't been paying attention. The term "neo-con" (or "neo-conservative") has been used for the past 7 years by leftists (as well as unpatriotic conservatives (http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp) like Pat Buchanan and Lew Rockwell) as a derogatory code word for conservative Jews, especially the Jews among President Bush's advisers.

[Lazarus]

...PS: I run from the dinner table to listen to Charles Krauthammer. He so effortlessly bashes the hell out of the lefties with his indisputable logic and eloquence, it's a pleasure listening to him every night.You and me Bro... Krauthammer is brilliant...:thumb:

[gnome]

Then you haven't been paying attention. The term "neo-con" (or "neo-conservative") has been used for the past 7 years by leftists (as well as unpatriotic conservatives (http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp) like Pat Buchanan and Lew Rockwell) as a derogatory code word for conservative Jews, especially the Jews among President Bush's advisers.

That is interesting. I don't hang around a lot of Pat Buchanan types, but when I used the term (and most of the people around me) it referred to a political wing of the Republican party, characterized by generous use of military force overseas in circumstances that more "isolationist" conservatives might traditionally balk at. The WOT certainly gave that philosophy its day, for better or worse. As you may recall Bush himself campaigned in '99 on NOT policing the world. I don't fault him for changing his position, because 9-11 has made a huge difference.

Other characteristics of "neconservative" generally involved less interest in the conservative social issues, or even converted Democrats who didn't like Democratic foreign policy.

Examples of "Neconservative" foreign policy might include PNAC, and the goal of "regime change" in Iraq.

I think I'm characterizing the group we're referring to fairly, and I think that the term is in legitimate and widespread use. If it happens to coincide with someone's code word for "the Jews" I think it bears emphasis that there a lot of people using the word that mean nothing of the sort.

[Naturalized-Texan]

That is interesting. I don't hang around a lot of Pat Buchanan types, but when I used the term (and most of the people around me) it referred to a political wing of the Republican party, characterized by generous use of military force overseas in circumstances that more "isolationist" conservatives might traditionally balk at. The WOT certainly gave that philosophy its day, for better or worse. As you may recall Bush himself campaigned in '99 on NOT policing the world. I don't fault him for changing his position, because 9-11 has made a huge difference.
How can you possibly believe that President Bush IS policing the world? He is not. Everything he has done in the WOT was directly the result of the 9/11 attacks. The Iraq campaign was as essential to winning the WOT as the D-Day invasion of France was to winning WW II.

Other characteristics of "neconservative" generally involved less interest in the conservative social issues, or even converted Democrats who didn't like Democratic foreign policy.
That is a correct historical definition of a neo-conservative, but it's not the definition that liberal Democrats and unpatriotic conservatives are using today. Today's usage is as several of us pointed out above - a derogatory, anti-Semitic code word for conservative Jews.

Examples of "Neconservative" foreign policy might include PNAC, and the goal of "regime change" in Iraq.
PNAC was formed to promote a Reaganite foreign policy which was by far the best foreign policy of my lifetime (nearly 76 years).

However, "regime change" in Iraq was made necessary by the 9/11 attacks and had nothing to do with PNAC or neo-conservatism (see above).

I think I'm characterizing the group we're referring to fairly, and I think that the term is in legitimate and widespread use. If it happens to coincide with someone's code word for "the Jews" I think it bears emphasis that there a lot of people using the word that mean nothing of the sort.
The vast majority of people today - e.g., the blogger quoted in Evening Star's OP - use the term "neo-conservative" as a derogatory, anti-Semitic code word for conservative Jews like Charles Krauthammer. That is the definition in widespread use today.

[gnome]

How can you possibly believe that President Bush IS policing the world? He is not. Everything he has done in the WOT was directly the result of the 9/11 attacks. The Iraq campaign was as essential to winning the WOT as the D-Day invasion of France was to winning WW II.

I'm not actually referring to Iraq, but the WOT. In a sense, the WOT is an effort to police the world for the sake of our own safety. In fact I don't entirely disagree with this concept, my main issue has been how it's been done, which is not part of this discussion.

That is a correct historical definition of a neo-conservative, but it's not the definition that liberal Democrats and unpatriotic conservatives are using today. Today's usage is as several of us pointed out above - a derogatory, anti-Semitic code word for conservative Jews.

And I'm informing you that people are still using it the old way too.

PNAC was formed to promote a Reaganite foreign policy which was by far the best foreign policy of my lifetime (nearly 76 years).

However, "regime change" in Iraq was made necessary by the 9/11 attacks and had nothing to do with PNAC or neo-conservatism (see above).

I should point out that regime change was bandied about for Iraq before 9-11. Even Clinton spoke for it time to time.

The vast majority of people today - e.g., the blogger quoted in Evening Star's OP - use the term "neo-conservative" as a derogatory, anti-Semitic code word for conservative Jews like Charles Krauthammer. That is the definition in widespread use today.

How are you concluding that the "vast majority" mean it the way you say they do? Did you read a survey or something?

[DoctorDoom]

Wasn't there a connection between Hitler & the Middle East?Still is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Terrorism/MeinKampf.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Terrorism/Kindred.jpg

The Third Reich and the Arab East, by Lukasz Hirszowicz, a Polish-born scholar, was published almost 40 years ago but remains a definitive work. It examines in careful detail how Hitler's Germany sought to woo Arabs through anti-British and anti-Jewish policies. Nazi personalities like Josef Goebbels and Baldur von Schirach of the Hitler Youth carried out goodwill tours. Various German agents financed and armed clandestine Arab fascist groups. The first Arabic translation of Mein Kampf appeared in 1938, and Hitler himself tactfully proposed to omit from it his "racial ladder" theory.

Of all the Arabs convinced of Hitler's coming triumph, none was so eager as Haj Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem and leader of the Palestinian Arabs in the Hitler years. Vincent Sheean, the Thomas L. Friedman of the day, thought that Haj Amin had "great gifts." Along the lines that "my enemy's enemy is my friend," Haj Amin converted the Palestinian cause into a local branch of Hitler's worldwide anti-Jewish persecution. Fleeing from the British, he spent the war in Berlin. A friend and admirer of Himmler's, he raised a division of Bosnian Muslims for the SS. Hitler made grandiose promises to him, but was cautious enough to add that they could be met only after victory.Their Kampf - Hitler’s book in Arab hands (http://www.nationalreview.com/29july02/pryce-jones072902.asp)

Islamic Mein Kampf (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/) (SWF file - powerful!)

[Naturalized-Texan]

I'm not actually referring to Iraq, but the WOT. In a sense, the WOT is an effort to police the world for the sake of our own safety. In fact I don't entirely disagree with this concept, my main issue has been how it's been done, which is not part of this discussion.
I see that you are sorely in need of reminders of why we had no choice but to fight the WOT all over the world, anywhere terrorists exist:

http://tex.connectingzone.com/Tower2Explodes.jpghttp://tex.connectingzone.com/WTC-6.jpg
http://tex.connectingzone.com/pent2.jpg
http://tex.connectingzone.com/WTC-2.jpg

And I'm informing you that people are still using it the old way too.
In my 5+ years here, you are the only one who has used it the old way. Moreover, in the nearly 7 years since the 9/11 attacks I have never heard or read anything but as the derogatory anti-Semitic code for Jews.

I should point out that regime change was bandied about for Iraq before 9-11. Even Clinton spoke for it time to time.
But not by President Bush or the neo-cons who are being insulted by te derogatory use of the term "neo-con."

How are you concluding that the "vast majority" mean it the way you say they do? Did you read a survey or something?
I answered that above.

[gnome]

I see that you are sorely in need of reminders of why we had no choice but to fight the WOT all over the world, anywhere terrorists exist:

Where did I argue that?

In my 5+ years here, you are the only one who has used it the old way. Moreover, in the nearly 7 years since the 9/11 attacks I have never heard or read anything but as the derogatory anti-Semitic code for Jews.

Can you point to some examples here where it was clear that someone was using it to mean Jews?

[Naturalized-Texan]

Where did I argue that?
In your post #20 where you claimed that the WOT was an effort to police the world.

Can you point to some examples here where it was clear that someone was using it to mean Jews?
Almost every Democrat leader, Democrat member of Congress, several 2008 Democrat presidential candidates, Howard Dean, and even John Kerry in his 2004 campaign, and the liberal media have used neo-con as a pejorative code word for Jews. In addition, unpatriotic conservatives like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, etc. have used neo-con as a pejorative code word for Jews.

http://papercuts.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/the-fashionable-pejorative/
http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/neoconservative.htm

[Maggie_T]

Sigh. Gnome, can't you just let it go?

Man, if only you questioned the empty promises of liberalism with a tenth of the persistence you question every word you read here ... :rolleyes:

Then again, if you did, then you'd be a conservative ... never mind.

[gnome]

In your post #20 where you claimed that the WOT was an effort to police the world.

I'm not sure you understood me. I'm giving credit to the idea that the WOT is necessary.

Almost every Democrat leader, Democrat member of Congress, several 2008 Democrat presidential candidates, Howard Dean, and even John Kerry in his 2004 campaign, and the liberal media have used neo-con as a pejorative code word for Jews. In addition, unpatriotic conservatives like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, etc. have used neo-con as a pejorative code word for Jews.

Ok, you're repeating the accusation, but you're not saying much as far as convincing me that it's so.

[gnome]

Sigh. Gnome, can't you just let it go?

Man, if only you questioned the empty promises of liberalism with a tenth of the persistence you question every word you read here ... :rolleyes:

Then again, if you did, then you'd be a conservative ... never mind.

I question a lot of things. It's not easy to let go of such a broad-based accusation. In fact I think a lot of conservatives probably feel the same when liberals accuse their politics of being suffused with racism--an accusation I happen to believe is largely false.

I question a lot of things. Trust me, "liberal promises" aren't immune from my scrutiny.

[Naturalized-Texan]

I'm not sure you understood me. I'm giving credit to the idea that the WOT is necessary.
Then you should have said so instead of falsely claiming that we are policing the world.

Ok, you're repeating the accusation, but you're not saying much as far as convincing me that it's so.
Since you're woefully ignorant of what is going on in today's political world, it's hopeless to try to educate you with a few words in a format like this. It's also clear that you ignored the links that I provided to you. You need to start spending several months (years?) paying attention to what is going on so that you can get yourself educated. After you do so, send me a PM.

[gnome]

Then you should have said so instead of falsely claiming that we are policing the world.

The two are not mutually exclusive. The WOT can be a necessary measure and still have the effect of policing the world.

As for the rest, I guess it's pretty pointless to get into a deep argument over what people really mean when they say something. Until we invent a mind-reading machine, one can only draw conclusions.

[Maggie_T]

I question a lot of things. Trust me, "liberal promises" aren't immune from my scrutiny.

That must be a very lenient scrutiny, and one very privately expressed, at that. Leftism cannot stand any amount of genuine close, honest scrutiny.

But you're entitled to your choice of ideology ... more's the pity. I say that because you're not stupid, gnome. Such a waste ...

[Rhino]

The two are not mutually exclusive. The WOT can be a necessary measure and still have the effect of policing the world.It can be, but in this case it isn't, since terrorism, even of foreign origin, poses a threat to us here. Were we policing events or circumstances that did not affect us here, then that would be policing the world.

[DesertFox]

Besides, the world NEEDS policing, and by us.

[Maggie_T]

:yeahthat:

We're the only ones with the pair and the technology to do it.