Obama question..

[Taylor1]

Hey people who aren't voting for McCain.

Obama wants to RAISE taxes on oil companies.. Exxon and a few other companies are making record money, now if we tax the living hell out of these oil companies that Americans have money invested in and they lose money or don't make as much money off of stocks, they can't support your company, if they can't support the company you work for or maybe even own, you can't pay the bills to the buisness or your house, I don't know if you know this or not, but letting someone raise taxes on HUGE ASS companies that employ a lot of AMERICANS such as Exxon who hires Americans as people who are like maintenance and other jobs such as mechanics, if they get their payroll slashed.. then they wont pay you.. or your company. If you don't get it here, then I'm sorry, I can't explain it any better, but I do know if you liked Reagan as a president.. then you would get this all.

My question, after hearing this all, what do you think of Obama?

[Maggie_T]

I think he sucks.

[Taylor1]

Great answer, can you come up with one that isn't completely airheaded?

[The_Elucidator]

Great answer, can you come up with one that isn't completely airheaded?

Why? I also think he sucks!!!

[Taylor1]

Why? I also think he sucks!!!

Do you think it is illiterate to say George Bush just "Sucks?"

edit: Okay, never mind, don't answer that. It's that arrogant remark that makes you sound sorta stupid. I'm not calling you stupid now, I'm telling you that it sounds stupid.

If you could give me a few great reasons that make perfect sense other than what a liberal would say about Bush ("he sucks") then I'll try and work my way into it.

[BuckeyeMike]

Great answer, can you come up with one that isn't completely airheaded?


Cool your jets there child....you're addressing one of your elders.....show some respect!

[BuckeyeMike]

Do you think it is illiterate to say George Bush just "Sucks?"

edit: Okay, never mind, don't answer that. It's that arrogant remark that makes you sound sorta stupid. I'm not calling you stupid now, I'm telling you that it sounds stupid.

If you could give me a few great reasons that make perfect sense other than what a liberal would say about Bush ("he sucks") then I'll try and work my way into it.


Again junior...........RESPECT!!!!

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

Taylor,
What kind of answer are you wanting? You obviously aren't accepting the truth. Not to mention, there's much to be said for having respect for your elders. Can the 'tude, dude.

You think McCain is going to be any better than Obama on taxes? This from the man that is considering Lieberman (you might be too young to remember, but Ole Joe ran as second banana to AlGore) as his runningmate?


McCain on Taxes: Trying to Have it Both Ways? (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/mccain-on-taxes.html)

ABC News' Rick Klein Reports: Sen. John McCain has spent much of the week trying to explain his exchange on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” where he left the door open to raising taxes as part of a potential deal with Democrats on Social Security.

“There is nothing I would take off the table,” McCain said Sunday.

[Taylor1]

Cool your jets there child....you're addressing one of your elders.....show some respect!

Again junior...........RESPECT!!!!

Wowowow, I'm not disrespecting him, I'm telling The_Elucidator and Maggie_T and her that it's completely invalid to say that one simply "sucks" I am sorry but I've gotta call the bluff. There really isn't any nice way to say "that's completely dumb" when it is. The reason I'm bringing this up is not that I'm trying to go around disrespecting people and then you bring my age into it, which I am not sure why, it's the internet, who cares about age? See what I don't get is that you just answer a question with that sucks. When you ask your kids, grand kids(i'm not calling you old so please, don't think I'm offending your age or whatnot) whatever you may have you say I.E. "why did you write on my walls" he or she says "because" because isn't a reason, because is just a short answer that doesn't justify anything.

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

How about YOU clarify what kind of answer you are seeking. You asked a question, it was answered; you don't like the content of the answer, perhaps you'd do better to frame the question so as to elicit the type of answer you are seeking. You are absolutely coming off as disrespectful. Shape up.

[Taylor1]

Taylor,
What kind of answer are you wanting? You obviously aren't accepting the truth. Not to mention, there's much to be said for having respect for your elders. Can the 'tude, dude.

You think McCain is going to be any better than Obama on taxes? This from the man that is considering Lieberman (you might be too young to remember, but Ole Joe ran as second banana to AlGore) as his runningmate?


McCain on Taxes: Trying to Have it Both Ways? (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/mccain-on-taxes.html)

ABC News' Rick Klein Reports: Sen. John McCain has spent much of the week trying to explain his exchange on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” where he left the door open to raising taxes as part of a potential deal with Democrats on Social Security.

“There is nothing I would take off the table,” McCain said Sunday.

Lieberman has switched positions on things I've seen. Anyone who starts reaching across the isle raises my eyebrow I take into consideration all those things too. I don't think I have an attitude I'm just taking into question how someone can be like that. That's the same thing (hate to compare it to this) as saying "you can't come in" he says, "why" she asks "Because your a girl" he says. Now I'm not saying girls suck or implying anything of that nature, but it's the same as answering that, and no, nothing to do with sexism either.

My question for the people who are thinking about voting for obama or not voting at all is still this, if obama wants to raise taxes immeadetly when he sees huge oil companies making record profits, he wants to essentially cap that and tax it to death. I didn't see anything about capping in your article HMS. Obviously he's just pandering around to people who want taxes raised and taxes lowered of the voting base.

[Taylor1]

How about YOU clarify what kind of answer you are seeking. You asked a question, it was answered; you don't like the content of the answer, perhaps you'd do better to frame the question so as to elicit the type of answer you are seeking. You are absolutely coming off as disrespectful. Shape up.

First of all, answering a question with a simple "he sucks" is like saying just "no" and pushing it under the table. How am I being disrespectful, I'm sorry if I am, I'm just asking for a real answer that is actually more than 2 sentences and isn't treating me like I'm a 10 year old kid who seems to be disrespectful. I can't really keep talking about this single part of the subject because it seems to be veering into me being disrespectful because I'm calling someone out for the first time on this board.

[Taylor1]

Another thing I'd like to say, I don't think they are "airheaded" or "stupid" I just think that answer was in fact I agree with Maggie_T a lot, I haven't seen many posts from The_Elucidator so I couldn't say..

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I don't think I have an attitude I'm just taking into question how someone can be like that.

Regardless of what you "think", I am TELLING YOU your posts reek of a snide attitude. How many ways would you like me to say it, before you get it? You may not intend it, but you're most certainly sending it loud and clear.

My question for the people who are thinking about voting for obama or not voting at all is still this, if obama wants to raise taxes immeadetly when he sees huge oil companies making record profits, he wants to essentially cap that and tax it to death. I didn't see anything about capping in your article HMS.

So? A tax, is a tax, is a tax, is a tax. You don't think McCain is NOT on the tax-bandwagon? You want to talk about "capping"? Have you checked out his position on "Cap and Trade"?

McCain Pushes 'Cap-And-Trade' Plan to Fight Global Warming (http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080319133739.aspx)

McCain’s cap-and-trade position is similar to both of his liberal potential adversaries. According to his campaign Web site, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) also supports “implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) also has a climate plan “centered on a cap and trade system for carbon emissions.”


Obama is bad for America. McCain is bad for America. So we now have a choice between bad and badder? Not much of a choice then, is it.

If you don't like the answers you get, stop asking questions.

[Maggie_T]

Great answer, can you come up with one that isn't completely airheaded?


Oh, beg your pardon, Mr. Disraeli. I didn't know you wanted to go into a long, elaborated disertation on the reasons why Obama is bad for the county.

What else do you expect me to say, Taylor? That Obama is a socialist, therefore, bad for the country? That he is a pompous gasbag with delusions of grandeur, therefore, bad for the country? That he will screw the country in the ground, therefore, he is bad for the country?

And McCain is no better. For the same reasons.

You can't reach that conclusion without indulging in a long, tedious, big-words-filled-post duel?

Obama sucks. BIG time. For all the above-mentioned reasons. And McCain sucks because he is not a conservative.

Personally, I am sick and tired of both as subject of conversation.

[Maggie_T]

If you don't like the answers you get, stop asking questions.



Exactly.

[Taylor1]

Regardless of what you "think", I am TELLING YOU your posts reek of a snide attitude. How many ways would you like me to say it, before you get it? You may not intend it, but you're most certainly sending it loud and clear.



So? A tax, is a tax, is a tax, is a tax. You don't think McCain is NOT on the tax-bandwagon? You want to talk about "capping"? Have you checked out his position on "Cap and Trade"?

McCain Pushes 'Cap-And-Trade' Plan to Fight Global Warming (http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080319133739.aspx)

McCain’s cap-and-trade position is similar to both of his liberal potential adversaries. According to his campaign Web site, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) also supports “implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) also has a climate plan “centered on a cap and trade system for carbon emissions.”


Obama is bad for America. McCain is bad for America. So we now have a choice between bad and badder? Not much of a choice then, is it.

If you don't like the answers you get, stop asking questions.


HMS, not sure if you realized, but I didn't say your answers weren't valid and I should've pointed it out to you, your actually showing reasons why you don't like him. I believe McCain switched his stance on G/W though

http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/taxes.htm

Also here. I didn't see anything about capping.

Which is better? Bad or Badder? I think you know.. pick your way to die, slow and painfully or fast and quick, with McCain, it'll be fast and quick, you wont feel a thing. With Obama, you'll die painfully through at least 4 years of raising taxes.

[Maggie_T]

You answered your own question. Do you really need people to tell you "you're right"?

[Taylor1]

Oh, beg your pardon, Mr. Disraeli. I didn't know you wanted to go into a long, elaborated disertation on the reasons why Obama is bad for the county.

What else do you expect me to say, Taylor? That Obama is a socialist, therefore, bad for the country? That he is a pompous gasbag with delusions of grandeur, therefore, bad for the country? That he will screw the country in the ground, therefore, he is bad for the country?

And McCain is no better. For the same reasons.

You can't reach that conclusion without indulging in a long, tedious, big-words-filled-post duel?

Obama sucks. BIG time. For all the above-mentioned reasons.

Personally, I am sick and tired of him as subject of conversation.

See, now were getting somewhere, you gave me more than a paragraph. Thank you!

I am looking on McCain's site and I'm seeing he's changed stance on a lot of issues, I knew he was the RNC's Al Gore. But, there's going to be one of them that is going to get picked, Obama or McCain, personally, McCain will definitely have the economy in better shape than Obama and he'll keep us a hell of a lot more protected than Obama, other things might be terrible, but wouldn't you rather have a few checks than x's?

[Taylor1]

You answered your own question. Do you really need people to tell you "you're right"?

No, I need an answer to my question and if it's not in agreement with me, then I'd like a debate as to why not and so on and so fourth, isn't that how it goes with everything that's debateable?

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

HMS, not sure if you realized, but I didn't say your answers weren't valid and I should've pointed it out to you, your actually showing reasons why you don't like him.

And I didn't accuse you of saying my answers weren't valid. What I said is if you don't like the answers you're getting, either 1) frame the question in a manner to elicit the type of response you are seeking, or 2) stopping asking questions. It's not up to you to dictate how someone else will/can answer.

You could have said something like, "So you think Obama s--ks, and I agree. But could you give me some specifics as to why you think so?" But no, you had to get snarky, and then deny you got snarky. Man up; you want to play in the big boys game, act like one.

I believe McCain switched his stance on G/W though

http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/taxes.htm

Also here. I didn't see anything about capping.

Okay, you want to believe him? Fine by me, but in checking his history he is famous for his "reaching across the aisle" and "bipartisan support." Flip-flopping gets one nowhere ... just ask Mitt and Kerry.


Which is better? Bad or Badder? I think you know.. pick your way to die, slow and painfully or fast and quick, with McCain, it'll be fast and quick, you wont feel a thing. With Obama, you'll die painfully through at least 4 years of raising taxes.

You are entitled to your opinion. As for me, I'd rather NOT die, period. One cannot go back to their principles by going straight down a liberal path ... they MUST turn around and go in the opposite direction. McCain is a liberal-lite. I don't vote for liberals, of any stripe.

[Taylor1]

And I didn't accuse you of saying my answers weren't valid. What I said is if you don't like the answers you're getting, either 1) frame the question in a manner to elicit the type of response you are seeking, or 2) stopping asking questions. It's not up to you to dictate how someone else will/can answer.

You could have said something like, "So you think Obama s--ks, and I agree. But could you give me some specifics as to why you think so?" But no, you had to get snarky, and then deny you got snarky. Man up; you want to play in the big boys game, act like one.



Okay, you want to believe him? Fine by me, but in checking his history he is famous for his "reaching across the aisle" and "bipartisan support." Flip-flopping gets one nowhere ... just ask Mitt and Kerry.




You are entitled to your opinion. As for me, I'd rather NOT die, period. One cannot go back to their principles by going straight down a liberal path ... they MUST turn around and go in the opposite direction. McCain is a liberal-lite. I don't vote for liberals, of any stripe.

I was dictating, I wanted a straight answer, not a "because" or simple "no."

I'm pretty sure I was acting like a "big boy" but BuckeyeMike got in there and started saying show your elders respect, referring to me as a kid (which obviously I am) I don't know where you got that impression in this thread other than from what he said that's the only point at which age was specifically brought up in reference to me, and Maggie_T I've got a huge vocab, probably bigger than you'd think. I acted like a big boy I didn't see at any time was I trying to be handicapped by using age as an excuse or anything of that nature.

So what? Almost all politicians flip flop from one side to another, or have bi-partisanship support. It's the what they do to appease.

See HMS, I'm not attacking your religion being mean when I say this, but your what I think of as a rock-hard conservative, you see things very narrowly. If say we had a WHOLE republican run congress, house, whitehouse, then it would be a lot of corruption, I don't know if you know about yin and yang, but I'm pretty sure there's got to be somewhat of a balance of politicans, if not a balance, an even playing field for even the worst liberals, you never know what might happen next. I'd vote for a liberal if he had things in common with me, such as Ron Klein my congressmen, I'd vote for him if the republican choice stunk and was someone like Ron Paul, my congressmen, Ron Klein is an old fashioned democrat, at least he comes across to me as one, he actually gives a care about veterans and whatnot, including security and I'm pretty sure has a pretty solid homeland security record similar if not the same to a republican.

HMS, it's not really a matter of dying, but McCain or Obama will win this election.

[DeclinetoState]

Kids! Chill out. Look, for many conservatives (and other intelligent Americans, though I would imagine there's a great deal of overlap being being intelligent and being conservative), this election will be between two disagreeable candidates: Barack Hussein Obama (or Hillary Clinton; she could still weasel her way into the picture) and John S. McCain.

There are legitimate reasons for conservatives to vote for McCain; after all, he's not Barack (or Hillary; though an argument could be made that she and he aren't all that far apart on a lot of issues), and he might appoint at least one decent, conservative justice to the Supreme Court (as well as conservative judges to the lower courts).

OTOH, those who oppose McCain have articulated some serious and legitimate concerns about what his presidency might be like (e.g., too much willingness to "reach across the aisle" to the likes of Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, and Robert Byrd).

Whatever your position, don't let your arguments get caught up in name-calling and the like that gets or might get someone banned. If this thread has to move to Flame Wars, well, I guess that's something I can live with.

[Taylor1]

I pretty much got my answer, it's up to HMS at this point..

[HomeschoolrsRUs]

I was dictating, I wanted a straight answer, not a "because" or simple "no."

Yes, you were dictating. You asked a question, you got an answer, but you didn't like the answer you were given. Tough. You could have asked them NICELY to clarify, but you chose not to. If you wanted a "straight answer" you should have asked the question more clearly, and delineated the "rules of answering."

I'm pretty sure I was acting like a "big boy" but BuckeyeMike got in there and started saying show your elders respect, referring to me as a kid (which obviously I am) I don't know where you got that impression in this thread other than from what he said that's the only point at which age was specifically brought up in reference to me, and Maggie_T I've got a huge vocab, probably bigger than you'd think. I acted like a big boy I didn't see at any time was I trying to be handicapped by using age as an excuse or anything of that nature.

You are a kid. You come off like a kid. Good for you on your vocabulary content. Too bad you didn't use it wisely or well.

So what? Almost all politicians flip flop from one side to another, or have bi-partisanship support. It's the what they do to appease.

So what? Character counts, at least for me. I don't want a flip-flopper -- they don't represent me. I don't want someone to "appease," I want someone to get things done, stop doing what doesn't need to be done, and stop spending money trying to "fix" things that aren't broken. This country needs a candidate that says what they mean, and means what they say. Period.

See HMS, I'm not attacking your religion being mean when I say this, but your what I think of as a rock-hard conservative, you see things very narrowly.

How does that have anything to do with my religion?

Yes, you better believe I am a rock-hard conservative. I make no bones about it, no excuses for it, no apologies about it. It's not about "narrow" or "wide," it's about what is right and what is best for this country. Plain and simple. A much better definition.

If say we had a WHOLE republican run congress, house, whitehouse, then it would be a lot of corruption, I don't know if you know about yin and yang, but I'm pretty sure there's got to be somewhat of a balance of politicans, if not a balance, an even playing field for even the worst liberals, you never know what might happen next. I'd vote for a liberal if he had things in common with me, such as Ron Klein my congressmen, I'd vote for him if the republican choice stunk and was someone like Ron Paul, my congressmen, Ron Klein is an old fashioned democrat, at least he comes across to me as one, he actually gives a care about veterans and whatnot, including security and I'm pretty sure has a pretty solid homeland security record similar if not the same to a republican.

Good for you. We disagree. We need leadership, not "balance." We need focus, not "an even playing field". I would not vote for a liberal. Period.

HMS, it's not really a matter of dying, but McCain or Obama will win this election.

Yes, and regardless of the "winner", this country loses, because there's really no choice when the similarities far outweigh the differences. We either turn around, or we keep going, but if we keep going we're going to end up in the same location.

[Kathy30]

Taylor is merely acting as a classic liberal. Ask a question, refuse to accept the answer and attack the person who answered the question. Liberals either ask the question again saying that the answer was deficient or, when they can't just ignore the answer completely.

While McCain won't be the best president we have ever had, we will at least have a country at the end of four years. obamination has no such pretentions.

[Rhino]

Hey people who aren't voting for McCain.

Obama wants to RAISE taxes on oil companies.. Exxon and a few other companies are making record money, now if we tax the living hell out of these oil companies that Americans have money invested in and they lose money or don't make as much money off of stocks, they can't support your company, if they can't support the company you work for or maybe even own, you can't pay the bills to the buisness or your house, I don't know if you know this or not, but letting someone raise taxes on HUGE ASS companies that employ a lot of AMERICANS such as Exxon who hires Americans as people who are like maintenance and other jobs such as mechanics, if they get their payroll slashed.. then they wont pay you.. or your company. If you don't get it here, then I'm sorry, I can't explain it any better, but I do know if you liked Reagan as a president.. then you would get this all.None of that will happen. Prices will just go up to cover the additional costs.

My question, after hearing this all, what do you think of Obama?I doubt this changes any opinions, since he's just about universally hated here.

[Rhino]

Wowowow, I'm not disrespecting him, I'm telling The_Elucidator and Maggie_T and her that it's completely invalid to say that one simply "sucks" I am sorry but I've gotta call the bluff. There really isn't any nice way to say "that's completely dumb" when it is.You asked the question, "..what do you think of Obama?", to which "I think he sucks." is a very valid and applicable answer. You can try to explain it away all you want, but you can rid yourself of the juvenile arrogance, or you can find another forum to post on. Is that a direct enough answer for you?

[Maggie_T]

Thank you, Rhino. Taylor, grow up. I have nothing against you, honestly. But you acted a little "brattish" in this thread, so we called you on it.

Just like HMS, I just cannot trust McCain. I still cannot get over his McCain-Feingold shit, which in case it slipped your attention, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Also, his stand (if you can call it that) on illegal immigration is totally unacceptable for me.

I just can't trust the bastard.

[Taylor1]

Alrighty, I got my answers and all, thank you.