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**DONOTDELETE**
07-19-2002, 09:01 AM
I know my statement will seem like patriotic bluster to most, but I am being perfectly serious and I believe very much objective here. I have read more about military history than most and I have a method by which I came to this conclusion. Quite objectively, George Washington was the greatest captain of men in the history of humanity, and he deserves, especially today, our deepest respect and admiration. It is dishonest, and even shameful for us to denigrate his standing in order to appear as more objective to a shallow and simplistic inspection, so lets not shrink away from claiming his rightful place at the top of the heap of history's greatest leaders.

When I compare captains of history, I am doing so by the following criteria;

1) How successful was the general? Here I am not looking at a won-loss record as much as I am at how much did the captain accomplish considering his advantages and disadvantages.

2) What were the long term effects of the general's passing on humanity in general? Do we still see the effects to this time, or has his passing already been erased from the shores of time?

3) What kind of diplomat and statesman was the general? Did he raise the condition of his nation and its people, or did he squander his advantages for purely personal gain?

I rate George Washington tops in all three categories, and here is why:

1) Washington was in an almost impossible situation.
a. He had to pry the richest and most promising colonies away from the world's greatest military power.

b. He had no existing army meaning no officer cadre, no logistical system, and no established bases of operation.

c. He was expected to defend a long and exposed coastline against a numerically superior foe who had superior mobility via naval transportation.

d. He had a decisive strategic weakness with the Hudson River, which might have easily been captured and controled by the British to sever the rest of the new nation from its richest, most industrialized, and populous colonies in New England. Preventing the loss of the Hudson was Washington's most immediate concern.

e. Washington was answering to an inexperienced legislature only formed a few years before the war. It consequently gave him weak and inconsistent logistical support and finance. In fact, it was so bad, that his officers wanted to stage a coup and force Congress into paying them the back wages that they were owed.

f. The importance of the American colonies to Britain meant that a protracted war of defense hoping for negotiation for peace was not an option. Washington had to crush his opponent's will to win completely in such a way that could only come from winning a decisive battle. Yet Washington had rarely more than a few thousand men, while his opponents had 32,000 in New York alone. Yet he was able to grasp the importance of other arenas and sent someof his forces to other critical engagements as he did in assisting Arnold prior to the victory at Saratoga.

g. The British were also the finest trained and equipped veteran troops in the world, while Washingtons army was composed of green volunteers with short enlistments. So Washington had inferior quality to his army as well as inferior quantity and inferior mobility.

Despite these incredible weaknesses that would have ruined any lesser of a captain, Washington not only won, but won in such a way that the British did not attempt to regain their former colonies for decades; precious time for America to consolidate their government and prepare for the attempted reconquest which failed miserably.

Washington was successful because he realized that his weakness along the Hudson could not be stopped directly, but only by threatening the British base of supply should the British army ever try to leave New York and move up river. He positioned himself along the northern hills of New Jersey through which ran the road between New york and Philadelphia. He baited the British to abandon a Hudson strategy and go for Philadelphia (the only American city larger than New York) instead, which they eventually did. He kept attacking the British to convince them of the seriousness of his threat to them, even though it meant risking the total destruction of his smaller force each time he did so. He even managed to win many of these battles, all of which were engaged with Washington at severe disadvantage in men and supply.

But Washington was also incredibly successful, especially for his time, in inspiring a group of *volunteers* to continue what must have seemed like a hopeless war against the world's super power of the time. The Valley Forge experience is not merely a metaphor of challenge and despair, it was a time in which his army could easily have melted away were it not for his incredible leadership, willingness to suffer with his men, and courageous example in meeting the enemy on the feild of battle. No one doubted Washington's courage and determination to engage the enemy, and no one ever acused him of leading from the rear.

Washington's legacy is unrivaled today, as he founded the greatest super-power the world has ever seen. We have done things that no other prior nation has done, and we have not done this by establishing some oppressive emperial system to enforce our power, but we have slowly built a network of voluntary business partners over decades of effort and leadership. We would not be the successful and prosperous leader of the Free World that we are today were it not for George Washington and his successful leadership and statesmanship. He not only led us to freedom, but also led us in peace, being the first and most successful president of our republic. He picked able men to conduct our foreign policy, establish a firm currency and economic foundation, and a military structure that became the finest in the world. This military establishment has never physically challenged the authority of its civilian leaders even once in the darkest of times.

But who else might also be compared to this greatest and yet humblest of men?

Napoleon? He had absolute control of the most populous nation of the world at the time, and through conscription built the largest army the world had ever seen. Despite such power, he was so aggressive and arrogant (he was French convert) that he managed to unite the entire continent of Europe against him, even the Spanish. His institutions managed to survive, somewhat, but despite his callous disregard and his betrayal of the democratic movement when he made himself Emporer.

Ghenghis Khan? Temujin started from nothing and rose to the top, but the men he used to conquor most of the known world was built around some of the hardiest warriors the world has ever seen, the Mongols, Turks and other steppe nomads who have engaged in ceaselss warfare for millenia and whose descendants still fight in internicene conflicts throughout central Asia. And what of Temujin's empire is left today? It is gone and hardly more than a legend of the Mongolian people.

Alexander the Great? Autocratic narcicist whose accomplishments for Macedonia did not survive much after his death. The majority of what he accomplished can be best described as destructive, not constructive,except for his grafting oriental Emporer worship onto the egalitarian Macedonian culture.

Julius Ceasar? Another egomaniac whose military feats were used to destroy the freedoms of millions and fatally undermine a venerable republic that he had sworn loyalty to at one time.

There has never been nor will there ever be again another man of the stature, capability, courage, character, and nobility of George Washington, and even more so, there will never be again another nation so great so indebted to one man.

**DONOTDELETE**
07-19-2002, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pja:
Great post about Washington. Washington was even more than you have listed here. He did one particular thing that the other leaders you noted did not do, he released power instead of keeping power for himself. Remember when Washington's officers and aids urged him to become King of America and he refused. That simple and specific refusal is the cornerstone of America's greatness and the downfall of the other captains you listed. Washington refused to be King or emperor or god or what ever. He made it possible for America to be ruled by the people. Too bad we let an inbred oligarchy rule us today.

Pat (aka pja)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


So true Pat. I was more emphasizing his career as a general and statesman, but the fact that he peacefully relinquished power makes him unique among revolutionary leaders, as you say.

I also heartily agree with your observation about the 'inbred' elites, heheh. When I read that I couldnt help thinking of former KKK man, Senator Byrd whose family has long been dominant in both VA and West VA.

Both are so true.

pja
07-20-2002, 12:54 AM
Great post about Washington. Washington was even more than you have listed here. He did one particular thing that the other leaders you noted did not do, he released power instead of keeping power for himself. Remember when Washington's officers and aids urged him to become King of America and he refused. That simple and specific refusal is the cornerstone of America's greatness and the downfall of the other captains you listed. Washington refused to be King or emperor or god or what ever. He made it possible for America to be ruled by the people. Too bad we let an inbred oligarchy rule us today.

Pat (aka pja)

spectre
07-20-2002, 08:00 AM
indeed an excellent post on washington...will keep this for future reference.

washington and all the founding fathers hold a high place with me. their times were extradinary.

i don't think washingtons road was all good. going from memory now...didn't he get handed a really bad defeat or at least get embarrased during the french and indian war? am pretty sure he was in the english army against the french. i seem to remember something about that. thats the only negative thing that comes to mind tho, and even that im sure has explanations.

as far as the greatest? i dunno, general lee, jackson and forrest come to mind very quickly (yeah, i know, southern bias coming out rite...well washington was a southerner too heheheheh).

if it wasnt for stonewalls manueverings in the shenandoah, the war would have ended in the first year or so. he got outta his men what most leaders could ever do...marching over mountains in the snow thru the night without good clothing and shoes.

And gen'l lee...he was most excellent at seeing the big picture....who knows what would have happened if he hadnt tried to get shoes for his men in gettysburg.

One point on all this tho in Washingtons favor; all these other guys went to west point and studied the art of war. far as i know, washingtons was pretty much on the job training...a semi competent surveyor with little if any military training before the french war. this of course does elevate washington.

Again, all this is from memory, so i apologize if i misstated anything. Washington was a great father of our country and the points about becoming "king" are all true and speak of him well. We were very lucky to have him.

DesertFox
07-24-2002, 11:20 PM
From the little I've read by first-rate historians of the period, Washington was THE dominant personality among the Founders. He led by example, and to a man they looked to him for leadership, to set the tone, to know what to do.

Military and otherwise, he was indeed an extraordinary man in extraordinary times. It's little-appreciated today just how unusual that coterie was, and just how unlikely it is that America ever did come to be. Washington was central to all that. Without him, it's unlikely the USA would have survived the Founding Generation.

**DONOTDELETE**
07-24-2002, 11:44 PM
Greatest revolutionary nation founder of all time, no doubt.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-13-2002, 04:03 PM
..."great man", except the fact that he was a racist and a slaveowner just like Jefferson and many of the other people that wrote the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution

....sure "all men (white rich racist males)are created equal"

oracle
11-13-2002, 06:22 PM
At the time, slavery was considered to be acceptable by many people.

It's not right to judge him by today's standards and mores.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-15-2002, 01:29 PM
I agree that standards and values change over time, but still....there were a fairly large movement to abolish slavery in America. Furthermore, the slaves of course did not agree with the institution....so it's not like the whole population supported slavery....

Slavery have been a part of human history. However, in the case of America it was on strickly along racial lines, slavery in Africa was not, if you were captured in a battle you would become a slave....if the same attitude would have been present in the US then Brittish war prisoners during the Revolutionary war would have been put to work on the plantations. That didn't really happen, they were treated better than the African slaves.......the same thing could be said about the Civil War, it's not like the Union soldiers that were captured became slaves and worked on the Southern plantations...

Finally, it's not like both blacks and whites had slaves in America and that everybody agreed it was ok.....it was strickly a racial thing (which created tons of problems when slavery was abolished because the mentality of White superiority stayed)

**DONOTDELETE**
11-15-2002, 03:24 PM
In terms of the categories you listed, I would say George Washington was probably one of the top five greatest generals of all time.

He did face incredible odds against his enemy, probably even more than the generals of WWII in facing Germany and he is a man who should be honoured and respected throughout the world and I believe he is.

TheRealLobo
11-15-2002, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Ernesto:
Finally, it's not like both blacks and whites had slaves in America and that everybody agreed it was ok.....it was strickly a racial thing (which created tons of problems when slavery was abolished because the mentality of White superiority stayed)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Need to go re-read history bub. Free black men DID own slaves in America. I expect it probably doesn't mention that in the NEW American History books.

As a matter of fact, a larger percentage of black in America held slaves than did whites.